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Are you all so sure Kizer can't be your QB?

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  • Are you all so sure Kizer can't be your QB?

    No.  And for all of the reasons that you stated in the OP.  But we should still draft a QB at #! overall.

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  • Yes.

    "You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970.

  • Anyone who sat through the trainwreck that was Deshone Kizer and can state they see him as a franchise QB needs to take a break from football. Maybe get into tennis or something. Just because he was given a crap hand doesn't he is a good QB. He sucks, plain and simple.

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  • jrb12711J jrb12711

    Anyone who sat through the trainwreck that was Deshone Kizer and can state they see him as a franchise QB needs to take a break from football. Maybe get into tennis or something. Just because he was given a crap hand doesn't he is a good QB. He sucks, plain and simple.

    @jrb12711 said:

    Anyone who sat through the trainwreck that was Deshone Kizer and can state they see him as a franchise QB needs to take a break from football. Maybe get into tennis or something. Just because he was given a crap hand doesn't he is a good QB. He sucks, plain and simple.

    Brady, Marino, Aikman, Young, Montana...................//..................... maybe in ?? years Kizer. I don't think anyone is confusing him with a franchise quarterback.  Hopefully he can be adequate given a supporting cast and some time, who knows. The 1-31 BROWNS were an historic train wreck of which he was just a part.

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  • Hopefully Kizer isn't on the team next season..

    "You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970.
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  • This is something I've been coming around on more and more, but the problem remains that you can't bet the farm on Kizer being the guy. I would really like to know where this year's QBs rank with the past few year's QBs. That make sense? Like, coming out of school, head to head, where do Rosen, Darnold, Allen, and Mayfield rank when compared to...say...Wentz, Goff, Watson, Mahomes, Trubisky, and others? I honestly don't know. 

    Kizer will get the full advantage of knowing the offensive system, the players, the protections, and a full year of big-boy experience under his belt. That can't be understated, and if the game ever slows down for Kizer and he gets his confidence, I DO think he has what it takes to make it. But even saying all that, we still need to take a QB early because there's no way to know, and we simply HAVE TO throw as many darts against the board as possible until we get it right. 

    Another question is, do you still take a QB at 1 if we bring in a veteran QB? Obviously it depends on WHO the guy is, but even if it's Alex Smith at 35 years old, I happen to believe it opens up some options. Imagine getting 3 years of "No worry" QB play. Is it guaranteed? Of course not, but QBs that take care of their body can play to 38, perhaps a little longer if they don't get beaten up. In this scenario, Kizer is the backup. That's not too bad in the world of backup qb's, and who knows, maybe Kizer gets significantly better this year? 

    All I know is, it's going to be nutso come March. We're probably going to draft a QB early, we're probably not getting Alex Smith, and Kizer probably won't end up being a franchise QB. BUT...I wouldn't bet against him either. 

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  • While I’m not counting Kizer out, this FO doesn’t have the luxury of taking that risk.  Dorsey was brought in to find the QB, and he knows it. The only way I see this FO not drafting a QB at #1 is if they manage to sign cousins. 

    Edit: the Bradshaw comparison doesn’t hold water. Bradshaw would never get a chance to win Sheet in the modern nfl. he was absolute trash at the beginning, no team is that patient these days. 

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  • I say................GO GET SMITH OR COUSINS............then draft a QB, a RB, and a receiver. I DO NOT want to see Kizer or a rookie take the field the first game next season.

  • S SissyBoyFloyd

    Don't you remember how bad Aikman and Bradshaw were their first year and until they were surrounded by talented skill players?  Wouldn't it be smart to simply draft your first choice at 1, but still let Kizer have a half year or more if necessary surrounded by talent.  Still bringing in an experienced older qb to teach both of your young qbs.  You then have hopefully 2 young qbs starter and backup on the cheap for 4 years.  The older experienced guy to mentor will come cheap since he won't be coming to actually be a starter ..... ie.  Maybe a Josh McCown type.

    @sissyboyfloyd said:

    Don't you remember how bad Aikman and Bradshaw were their first year and until they were surrounded by talented skill players?  Wouldn't it be smart to simply draft your first choice at 1, but still let Kizer have a half year or more if necessary surrounded by talent.  Still bringing in an experienced older qb to teach both of your young qbs.  You then have hopefully 2 young qbs starter and backup on the cheap for 4 years.  The older experienced guy to mentor will come cheap since he won't be coming to actually be a starter ..... ie.  Maybe a Josh McCown type.

    Well, if you remember, Kessler was penciled in to be our starter last season.  So Kizer didn't get much practice reps.  Let's see what he can bring if we don't go out and get a vet.  If we do, just let him sit and learn along with our draft (QB) pick.  I think you'd be surprised by his 2nd year.

  • Making mistakes as a qb is one thing - but not seeing the field/processing it all quickly is innate - some got it, some don't.

    Most need it in the pros, if not all. On the chance he really is lacking in those skills, the Browns need to draft a qb high,

    drafting the right guy for the team, the city, the fans, and the wins.

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  • C calfoxwc

    Making mistakes as a qb is one thing - but not seeing the field/processing it all quickly is innate - some got it, some don't.

    Most need it in the pros, if not all. On the chance he really is lacking in those skills, the Browns need to draft a qb high,

    drafting the right guy for the team, the city, the fans, and the wins.

    @calfoxwc said:

    Making mistakes as a qb is one thing - but not seeing the field/processing it all quickly is innate - some got it, some don't.

    Most need it in the pros, if not all. On the chance he really is lacking in those skills, the Browns need to draft a qb high,

    drafting the right guy for the team, the city, the fans, and the wins.

    Yes, I also believe we need to draft a QB with the first pick.  And like I said, if we bring in a vet, then let him play.  Otherwise, let Kizer start and our high draft pick sit behind him and learn.  I know our fans will be looking for Kizer to make mistakes, but we have to be patient.

  • We should still draft a QB #1, if Kizer comes to camp and plays lights out, and all the sudden we might have 2 QBs who can play thats a good thing. I know it took Drew Brees a couple of years and SD still drafted Rivers because Brees didn't start playing well until they drafted Rivers. So draft the QB #1 and if Kizer pans out, its a bonus.

  • If we keep Kizer, he better be a 3rd stringer or better yet a practice squad player.

  • I think the Browns have to draft a QB at #1.  However, I think Kizer has shown flashes here and there.  He had a strong start in the season opener against the Steelers, imploded, then made some progress and then imploded the last 2 games, probably trying to do too much to try to drag this team to a win.  I think with enough reps he will become more steady.  He has shown a good work ethic and durability, and has remarkable maturity for someone so young.  I think he'll be decent given a full off season to work with, a good thing for us since the #1 draft pick doesn't have to be thrown in right away.  I have a hunch the Browns will get AJ McCarron in the offseason as the veteran presence, starting job will be between him and Kizer but I think Kizer has the higher ceiling (admittedly, McCarron hasn't played in many games so hard to tell, but if he still hasn't beat out Dalton I am not holding my breath on him becoming a franchise QB).  

  • I hope to never see Kizer play again for the Browns. Not even in the pre-season 😉

     

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  • Kizer can have a spot on the team.  He can compete with whomever the Browns draft to replace him.   God knows nothing is certain when it comes to the Browns drafting QBs. 

    I would:

    A.  Draft a QB high....yes, probably at #1  Who? Who the hell knows.

    B. Draft another QB lower.....ala RGIII and Cousins

    C. Keep Kizer to compete

    D. Bring in a veteran/bridge QB

    E. Kessler and Hogan maybe kept on...but merely as camp fodder

    Keep EVERY option open when it comes to the QB spot.

  • Are you all so sure Kizer can't be your QB?

    No... but I don't like his odds, so time to go fishin'... again.

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  • thomam3T thomam3

    I hope to never see Kizer play again for the Browns. Not even in the pre-season 😉

     

    @thomam3 said:

    I hope to never see Kizer play again for the Browns. Not even in the pre-season 😉

     

    With injuries and everything else I'd bet money you will see Kizer at some point in 2018.

    Browns fans everywhere better get used to the idea that there will be NO franchise quarterbacks on the field in 2018.....on their team.

    Again, PLAN B -

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  • Remember, Billy Football had a game or two of statistically useful play.. so simply citing That Game He Wasn't The Worst doesn't defend Kizer's consistency.

    The truth hurts.

    Kizer isn't an NFL starter -- and JM isn't for that matter a CFL starter.  Is he worthy of a roster spot? Sure! Let the kid call the plays in!  But he's no franchise player.

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  • S SissyBoyFloyd

    Don't you remember how bad Aikman and Bradshaw were their first year and until they were surrounded by talented skill players?  Wouldn't it be smart to simply draft your first choice at 1, but still let Kizer have a half year or more if necessary surrounded by talent.  Still bringing in an experienced older qb to teach both of your young qbs.  You then have hopefully 2 young qbs starter and backup on the cheap for 4 years.  The older experienced guy to mentor will come cheap since he won't be coming to actually be a starter ..... ie.  Maybe a Josh McCown type.

    @sissyboyfloyd said:

    Don't you remember how bad Aikman and Bradshaw were their first year and until they were surrounded by talented skill players?  Wouldn't it be smart to simply draft your first choice at 1, but still let Kizer have a half year or more if necessary surrounded by talent.  Still bringing in an experienced older qb to teach both of your young qbs.  You then have hopefully 2 young qbs starter and backup on the cheap for 4 years.  The older experienced guy to mentor will come cheap since he won't be coming to actually be a starter ..... ie.  Maybe a Josh McCown type.

    Not a bad job of defending your point; but this guy didn't make himself a consensus #1 QB of a draft class like Aikman did.  There's some 70s lyrics popularized by England Dan and John Ford Coley that go like this: "It's sad to belong to someone else when the right one comes along."  

    They're going to keep Kizer here so he'll get more chances.  That said, they're also going to try to improve the QB competition here that will will make the position stronger (if we ever get the right guys here)....

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