Are you all so sure Kizer can't be your QB?
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Don't you remember how bad Aikman and Bradshaw were their first year and until they were surrounded by talented skill players? Wouldn't it be smart to simply draft your first choice at 1, but still let Kizer have a half year or more if necessary surrounded by talent. Still bringing in an experienced older qb to teach both of your young qbs. You then have hopefully 2 young qbs starter and backup on the cheap for 4 years. The older experienced guy to mentor will come cheap since he won't be coming to actually be a starter ..... ie. Maybe a Josh McCown type.
Don't you remember how bad Aikman and Bradshaw were their first year and until they were surrounded by talented skill players? Wouldn't it be smart to simply draft your first choice at 1, but still let Kizer have a half year or more if necessary surrounded by talent. Still bringing in an experienced older qb to teach both of your young qbs. You then have hopefully 2 young qbs starter and backup on the cheap for 4 years. The older experienced guy to mentor will come cheap since he won't be coming to actually be a starter ..... ie. Maybe a Josh McCown type.
Well, if you remember, Kessler was penciled in to be our starter last season. So Kizer didn't get much practice reps. Let's see what he can bring if we don't go out and get a vet. If we do, just let him sit and learn along with our draft (QB) pick. I think you'd be surprised by his 2nd year.
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Making mistakes as a qb is one thing - but not seeing the field/processing it all quickly is innate - some got it, some don't.
Most need it in the pros, if not all. On the chance he really is lacking in those skills, the Browns need to draft a qb high,
drafting the right guy for the team, the city, the fans, and the wins.
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Making mistakes as a qb is one thing - but not seeing the field/processing it all quickly is innate - some got it, some don't.
Most need it in the pros, if not all. On the chance he really is lacking in those skills, the Browns need to draft a qb high,
drafting the right guy for the team, the city, the fans, and the wins.
Making mistakes as a qb is one thing - but not seeing the field/processing it all quickly is innate - some got it, some don't.
Most need it in the pros, if not all. On the chance he really is lacking in those skills, the Browns need to draft a qb high,
drafting the right guy for the team, the city, the fans, and the wins.
Yes, I also believe we need to draft a QB with the first pick. And like I said, if we bring in a vet, then let him play. Otherwise, let Kizer start and our high draft pick sit behind him and learn. I know our fans will be looking for Kizer to make mistakes, but we have to be patient.
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We should still draft a QB #1, if Kizer comes to camp and plays lights out, and all the sudden we might have 2 QBs who can play thats a good thing. I know it took Drew Brees a couple of years and SD still drafted Rivers because Brees didn't start playing well until they drafted Rivers. So draft the QB #1 and if Kizer pans out, its a bonus.
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I think the Browns have to draft a QB at #1. However, I think Kizer has shown flashes here and there. He had a strong start in the season opener against the Steelers, imploded, then made some progress and then imploded the last 2 games, probably trying to do too much to try to drag this team to a win. I think with enough reps he will become more steady. He has shown a good work ethic and durability, and has remarkable maturity for someone so young. I think he'll be decent given a full off season to work with, a good thing for us since the #1 draft pick doesn't have to be thrown in right away. I have a hunch the Browns will get AJ McCarron in the offseason as the veteran presence, starting job will be between him and Kizer but I think Kizer has the higher ceiling (admittedly, McCarron hasn't played in many games so hard to tell, but if he still hasn't beat out Dalton I am not holding my breath on him becoming a franchise QB).
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Kizer can have a spot on the team. He can compete with whomever the Browns draft to replace him. God knows nothing is certain when it comes to the Browns drafting QBs.
I would:
A. Draft a QB high....yes, probably at #1 Who? Who the hell knows.
B. Draft another QB lower.....ala RGIII and Cousins
C. Keep Kizer to compete
D. Bring in a veteran/bridge QB
E. Kessler and Hogan maybe kept on...but merely as camp fodder
Keep EVERY option open when it comes to the QB spot.
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I hope to never see Kizer play again for the Browns. Not even in the pre-season
With injuries and everything else I'd bet money you will see Kizer at some point in 2018.
Browns fans everywhere better get used to the idea that there will be NO franchise quarterbacks on the field in 2018.....on their team.
Again, PLAN B -
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Remember, Billy Football had a game or two of statistically useful play.. so simply citing That Game He Wasn't The Worst doesn't defend Kizer's consistency.
The truth hurts.
Kizer isn't an NFL starter -- and JM isn't for that matter a CFL starter. Is he worthy of a roster spot? Sure! Let the kid call the plays in! But he's no franchise player.
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Don't you remember how bad Aikman and Bradshaw were their first year and until they were surrounded by talented skill players? Wouldn't it be smart to simply draft your first choice at 1, but still let Kizer have a half year or more if necessary surrounded by talent. Still bringing in an experienced older qb to teach both of your young qbs. You then have hopefully 2 young qbs starter and backup on the cheap for 4 years. The older experienced guy to mentor will come cheap since he won't be coming to actually be a starter ..... ie. Maybe a Josh McCown type.
Don't you remember how bad Aikman and Bradshaw were their first year and until they were surrounded by talented skill players? Wouldn't it be smart to simply draft your first choice at 1, but still let Kizer have a half year or more if necessary surrounded by talent. Still bringing in an experienced older qb to teach both of your young qbs. You then have hopefully 2 young qbs starter and backup on the cheap for 4 years. The older experienced guy to mentor will come cheap since he won't be coming to actually be a starter ..... ie. Maybe a Josh McCown type.
Not a bad job of defending your point; but this guy didn't make himself a consensus #1 QB of a draft class like Aikman did. There's some 70s lyrics popularized by England Dan and John Ford Coley that go like this: "It's sad to belong to someone else when the right one comes along."
They're going to keep Kizer here so he'll get more chances. That said, they're also going to try to improve the QB competition here that will will make the position stronger (if we ever get the right guys here)....
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Don't you remember how bad Aikman and Bradshaw were their first year and until they were surrounded by talented skill players? Wouldn't it be smart to simply draft your first choice at 1, but still let Kizer have a half year or more if necessary surrounded by talent. Still bringing in an experienced older qb to teach both of your young qbs. You then have hopefully 2 young qbs starter and backup on the cheap for 4 years. The older experienced guy to mentor will come cheap since he won't be coming to actually be a starter ..... ie. Maybe a Josh McCown type.
Not a bad job of defending your point; but this guy didn't make himself a consensus #1 QB of a draft class like Aikman did. There's some 70s lyrics popularized by England Dan and John Ford Coley that go like this: "It's sad to belong to someone else when the right one comes along."
They're going to keep Kizer here so he'll get more chances. That said, they're also going to try to improve the QB competition here that will will make the position stronger (if we ever get the right guys here)....
Not a bad job of defending your point; but this guy didn't make himself a consensus #1 QB of a draft class like Aikman did. There's some 70s lyrics popularized by England Dan and John Ford Coley that go like this: "It's sad to belong to someone else when the right one comes along."
They're going to keep Kizer here so he'll get more chances. That said, they're also going to try to improve the QB competition here that will will make the position stronger (if we ever get the right guys here)....
Of course, there are some other lyrics that apply to this whole debate:
"There ain't no good guy, there ain't no bad guy, there's just you and me and we just disagree" Dave Mason I believe.
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Don't you remember how bad Aikman and Bradshaw were their first year and until they were surrounded by talented skill players? Wouldn't it be smart to simply draft your first choice at 1, but still let Kizer have a half year or more if necessary surrounded by talent. Still bringing in an experienced older qb to teach both of your young qbs. You then have hopefully 2 young qbs starter and backup on the cheap for 4 years. The older experienced guy to mentor will come cheap since he won't be coming to actually be a starter ..... ie. Maybe a Josh McCown type.
Not a bad job of defending your point; but this guy didn't make himself a consensus #1 QB of a draft class like Aikman did. There's some 70s lyrics popularized by England Dan and John Ford Coley that go like this: "It's sad to belong to someone else when the right one comes along."
They're going to keep Kizer here so he'll get more chances. That said, they're also going to try to improve the QB competition here that will will make the position stronger (if we ever get the right guys here)....
Not a bad job of defending your point; but this guy didn't make himself a consensus #1 QB of a draft class like Aikman did. There's some 70s lyrics popularized by England Dan and John Ford Coley that go like this: "It's sad to belong to someone else when the right one comes along."
They're going to keep Kizer here so he'll get more chances. That said, they're also going to try to improve the QB competition here that will will make the position stronger (if we ever get the right guys here)....
One huge difference Aikman had good talent around him to start in 1989....
Aikman would eventually win three Super Bowl rings with the Cowboys, and led the team to four consecutive NFC championship games - 1992, 1993, 1994 and 1995 seasons, with victories in 1992, 1993, and 1995.
Kizer isn't there now.
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Not a bad job of defending your point; but this guy didn't make himself a consensus #1 QB of a draft class like Aikman did. There's some 70s lyrics popularized by England Dan and John Ford Coley that go like this: "It's sad to belong to someone else when the right one comes along."
They're going to keep Kizer here so he'll get more chances. That said, they're also going to try to improve the QB competition here that will will make the position stronger (if we ever get the right guys here)....
One huge difference Aikman had good talent around him to start in 1989....
Aikman would eventually win three Super Bowl rings with the Cowboys, and led the team to four consecutive NFC championship games - 1992, 1993, 1994 and 1995 seasons, with victories in 1992, 1993, and 1995.
Kizer isn't there now.
One huge difference Aikman had good talent around him to start in 1989....
Aikman would eventually win three Super Bowl rings with the Cowboys, and led the team to four consecutive NFC championship games - 1992, 1993, 1994 and 1995 seasons, with victories in 1992, 1993, and 1995.
Kizer isn't there now.
Thanks for the reply. I disagree that Aikman had good talent around him in 89 and here's why. I think the only BIG name guy there was Michael Irvin - just 1 year after the 3-13 talent pool got a HOF Coach Tom Landry fired. Emmitt Smith and Jay Novacek weren't there yet while future Pro Bowl Lineman like Erik Williams, Larry Allen and Marc Stepnoski had yet to be drafted. FB Moose Johnston was just a rookie so the play makers he was sentenced to were: RB Paul Palmer, WR Derrick Sheppard, WR Kelvin Martin, and TE Steve Folsom. He got 2 concussions just from the Philadelphia Eagles as a rookie QB reminding me he needed way more help than what was there.
Again, Aikman was a consensus #1 QB that was drafted 1st overall while Kizer was polarizing at best prior to joining a 1-15 team here. He was drafted somewhere in the middle of round 2 in a QB draft class that labelled many of its top QB prospects NFL projects. The only thing that closely resembles that Cowboys team and their QB situation is the volume of draft picks they got from a Herschel Walker trade to expedite the emergence out of growing pains (while trades have this team set up for 5 picks in the first 2 rounds). Unfortunately, I don't think this equips Kizer with the same accuracy and football IQ Troy had. I've certainly been wrong before though - especially now with the types of offenses today's QBs in being trained in at the college level.
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Right in a way the triplets weren't together yet and the key to it all on the ground the road graders at OL were forming but they had the right coach and even the organization after all they were "AMERICA'S TEAM" (barf) right?
The meteoric rise from 1989 to Champs in 1992 was in place to happen.
GO BUCKEYES, BROWNS, INDIANS, CAVS, YSU, NAVY and yes I like ND! -
Kizer has 0 QB instincts.. Thats the difference between him and the greats like Aikman and of course,, Manning..(Peyton)
Kizer has 0 QB instincts.. Thats the difference between him and the greats like Aikman and of course,, Manning..(Peyton)
Oh no doubt Kizer is not a franchise QB but on this team in 2018 the question is,.........
Are you all so sure Kizer can't be your QB?
GO BUCKEYES, BROWNS, INDIANS, CAVS, YSU, NAVY and yes I like ND! -
Right in a way the triplets weren't together yet and the key to it all on the ground the road graders at OL were forming but they had the right coach and even the organization after all they were "AMERICA'S TEAM" (barf) right?
The meteoric rise from 1989 to Champs in 1992 was in place to happen.
Right in a way the triplets weren't together yet and the key to it all on the ground the road graders at OL were forming but they had the right coach and even the organization after all they were "AMERICA'S TEAM" (barf) right?
The meteoric rise from 1989 to Champs in 1992 was in place to happen.
True but Jimmy Johnson's first record in 89 was 1-15 with the task of overhauling talent on both sides of the ball. IF Jimmy J and Jerry J didn't make the Herschel Walker trade expediting the arrival of help - I'm guessing the Troy Aikman story has a few more concussions and growing pains. Another important variable in all this was pegging guys right with draft criteria and egos at the top working together (at least long enough to get it all off the ground).
This off season is a tremendous opportunity for the FO. Regardless of what people think of Sashi's draft choices, Dorsey made it a point to say Sashi set him up good for his first draft here and rightfully so. 5 draft picks in the first 2 rounds can jumper cable us right out of park especially if the people making the choices can tell the difference between a Michael Thomas and a Corey Coleman.
I think we have room to add a pick of the litter at QB especially when #4 overall puts us in position to add a pick of the litter at another position. Then we have 3 picks in round 2 plus a lot of cake to compete for the yes price tags of FA.
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!"
( and it burns,burns,burns..that ring of fire..that ring of fire)
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