Mel Kiper says
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I just have been explaining the flip side. Cranky hoorta LOL would draft ryan leaf. I don't want a ryan leaf. Allen threw it to the right person a heck of a lot. Just not as much to have a great completion percentage. I get it - again, threats from hoopla not influencing me to draft a very accurate (unless he has to run for his life) rosen who many, many consider to be a first class jackwagon. Sure, he's tried to hide that his last year - he's surely been told that Claussen dropped because of it, etc etc etc.
Being a pro qb required leadership, toughness, a lot of intangibles also - and that is where rosen is lacking. If I had to pick a qb for my pro team, and he was going to start from day one, it wouldn't be allen or kizer or rosen...none of em. The intangibles Wentz had, I wasn't alone in arguing that he was the real deal. I see a lot of the same in Allen. There isn't anything left to say about the qb draft that makes much sense.
I really kept arguing vs drafting jm. He had great stats, I don't care. Character matters.
So, Rosen fans, have a nice day !
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I don't think one has to be a genius to figure out the top 10, 20, 30, 40 or more of the better players coming out in the draft. Woody, I think if SI or CBS decided to hire us to do a Draft preview whatever we slapped together would be no more or less valid than the guys getting paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to do it. As it is there are at least 4 clumps of draft experts predicting the Cleveland Browns among four different players.
Pretty much the information is there. Like doing a column on the weather just look at the National Weather Service change it around a tiny fraction so it looks like your own numbers and you should be as close as anybody.
WSS
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I don't think one has to be a genius to figure out the top 10, 20, 30, 40 or more of the better players coming out in the draft. Woody, I think if SI or CBS decided to hire us to do a Draft preview whatever we slapped together would be no more or less valid than the guys getting paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to do it. As it is there are at least 4 clumps of draft experts predicting the Cleveland Browns among four different players.
Pretty much the information is there. Like doing a column on the weather just look at the National Weather Service change it around a tiny fraction so it looks like your own numbers and you should be as close as anybody.
WSS
Woody, I think if SI or CBS decided to hire us to do a Draft preview whatever we slapped together would be no more or less valid than the guys getting paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to do it.
Nah... it'd be less... way less... valid because few here have watched tape on any let alone 30 or players. And when it comes to "tape", highlight reels don't count.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Woody, I think if SI or CBS decided to hire us to do a Draft preview whatever we slapped together would be no more or less valid than the guys getting paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to do it.
Nah... it'd be less... way less... valid because few here have watched tape on any let alone 30 or players. And when it comes to "tape", highlight reels don't count.
Nah... it'd be less... way less... valid because few here have watched tape on any let alone 30 or players. And when it comes to "tape", highlight reels don't count.
Sure...
I'm assuming that every one of the professionals that spends all this time studying tape or statistics or Dianetics or whatever would then all be on the same page and not split among Darnold Rosen Berkeley and Allen.
WSS
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Nah... it'd be less... way less... valid because few here have watched tape on any let alone 30 or players. And when it comes to "tape", highlight reels don't count.
Sure...
I'm assuming that every one of the professionals that spends all this time studying tape or statistics or Dianetics or whatever would then all be on the same page and not split among Darnold Rosen Berkeley and Allen.
WSS
I'm assuming that every one of the professionals that spends all this time studying tape or statistics or Dianetics or whatever would then all be on the same page and not split among Darnold Rosen Berkeley and Allen.
Who is "Berkekey"?
Well, except in a vacuum that would be a silly assumption. But in such context as competition level, team quality, off-field, etc. variation is going to occur.
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Woody, I think if SI or CBS decided to hire us to do a Draft preview whatever we slapped together would be no more or less valid than the guys getting paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to do it.
Nah... it'd be less... way less... valid because few here have watched tape on any let alone 30 or players. And when it comes to "tape", highlight reels don't count.
Nah... it'd be less... way less... valid because few here have watched tape on any let alone 30 or players. And when it comes to "tape", highlight reels don't count.
Does watching 4-5 complete games of Allen count Tour? I know that pales in comparison to the pro college scouts that will break down every pass Josh threw, and have all 22 tape. Yup, Allen's highlight reel is mighty impressive, but spend equal time on the lowlights, you tend to get a different opinion.
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Nah... it'd be less... way less... valid because few here have watched tape on any let alone 30 or players. And when it comes to "tape", highlight reels don't count.
Does watching 4-5 complete games of Allen count Tour? I know that pales in comparison to the pro college scouts that will break down every pass Josh threw, and have all 22 tape. Yup, Allen's highlight reel is mighty impressive, but spend equal time on the lowlights, you tend to get a different opinion.
Does watching 4-5 complete games of Allen count Tour?
Depends how you "watch".
- If it's just a single live, real-time viewing, then it counts a little more.
- If you rewind to look at different aspects of throws, a lot more.
- If you take notes... more.
- Both #2 and 3? Don't look now, but you are breaking down tape...
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I'm assuming that every one of the professionals that spends all this time studying tape or statistics or Dianetics or whatever would then all be on the same page and not split among Darnold Rosen Berkeley and Allen.
Who is "Berkekey"?
Well, except in a vacuum that would be a silly assumption. But in such context as competition level, team quality, off-field, etc. variation is going to occur.
Who is "Berkekey"?
speech to text glitch.
Well, except in a vacuum that would be a silly assumption. But in such context as competition level, team quality, off-field, etc. variation is going to occur.
WSS
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Is this the same Mel Kiper that had Ryan Leaf ahead of Peyton Manning?
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Is this the same Mel Kiper that had Ryan Leaf ahead of Peyton Manning?
actually, that is pretty good ! LOL. I reckon Kiper learned his lesson on character etc...
http://broncoswire.usatoday.com/2018/01/19/mel-kiper-2018-nfl-mock-draft-josh-allen-ryan-leaf/
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Is this the same Mel Kiper that had Ryan Leaf ahead of Peyton Manning?
actually, that is pretty good ! LOL. I reckon Kiper learned his lesson on character etc...
http://broncoswire.usatoday.com/2018/01/19/mel-kiper-2018-nfl-mock-draft-josh-allen-ryan-leaf/
actually, that is pretty good ! LOL. I reckon Kiper learned his lesson on character etc...
http://broncoswire.usatoday.com/2018/01/19/mel-kiper-2018-nfl-mock-draft-josh-allen-ryan-leaf/
My POV Cal is character counts in the evaluation- to a point. Dak Prescott dropped in the draft due to the DUI. Turns out that was an isolated instance- the same might be the case with Mayfield. Yeah, he's done some stupid crap on the field, but I'll chalk that up to youthful exuberance. OTOH, Johnny Football has so many red character flags you would have thought it was back in the day of a Kremlin parade. He's probably the only guy I've ever torpedoed mostly on that basis- but there were other holes in his game I didn't like either.
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But, through all this...the allegation that he cannot hit the broad side of a barn door is not refuted.
of course it isn't - until you watch his games, any highlight video. I mean "cannot hit the ..." and then he does it all over the highlight films. You need "el kabong" to knock some sense in to ya? Of course he can.
The allegation is simply "rah rah for the top rated brah" ya? That is as bs as showing 4 ints in a playoff game by Peyton Manning, and saying "see? he can't hit the broadside of a barn"
If all you needed was accuracy, here's your qb:
"Analysis
Strengths
XXX has an NFL-quality frame that allows him to look over the offensive line and deliver his throws without a hitch. His quick release is his strongest asset, as he consistently fires the ball with a compact throwing motion and strong delivery. The ball zips off his arm, and he has the ability to fit it in any tight space. He is "all of the above" in terms of being a mature, poised leader. He is an accurate passer on throws short and long, and he has that gunslinger mentality to go for the deep ball when it's an option. He understands route progressions and throwing the ball to allow his receiver to make a play.""Analysis
Strengths
XXX has an NFL-quality frame that allows him to look over the offensive line and deliver his throws without a hitch. His quick release is his strongest asset, as he consistently fires the ball with a compact throwing motion and strong delivery. The ball zips off his arm, and he has the ability to fit it in any tight space. He is "all of the above" in terms of being a mature, poised leader. He is an accurate passer on throws short and long, and he has that gunslinger mentality to go for the deep ball when it's an option. He understands route progressions and throwing the ball to allow his receiver to make a play."
...this guy don't sound any dang good.
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Is this the same Mel Kiper that had Ryan Leaf ahead of Peyton Manning?
actually, that is pretty good ! LOL. I reckon Kiper learned his lesson on character etc...
http://broncoswire.usatoday.com/2018/01/19/mel-kiper-2018-nfl-mock-draft-josh-allen-ryan-leaf/
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We're all characters. Why can't we all get a long? neck?
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