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  • @westside-steve said:

    Woody, I think if SI or CBS decided to hire us to do a Draft preview whatever we slapped together would be no more or less valid than the guys getting paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to do it.

    Nah... it'd be less... way less... valid because few here have watched tape on any let alone 30 or players. And when it comes to "tape", highlight reels don't count.

    @tour2ma said:

    Nah... it'd be less... way less... valid because few here have watched tape on any let alone 30 or players. And when it comes to "tape", highlight reels don't count.

    Sure...😉 I'm assuming that every one of the professionals that spends all this time studying tape or statistics or Dianetics or whatever would then all be on the same page and not split among Darnold Rosen Berkeley and Allen.

    WSS

  • @tour2ma said:

    Nah... it'd be less... way less... valid because few here have watched tape on any let alone 30 or players. And when it comes to "tape", highlight reels don't count.

    Sure...😉 I'm assuming that every one of the professionals that spends all this time studying tape or statistics or Dianetics or whatever would then all be on the same page and not split among Darnold Rosen Berkeley and Allen.

    WSS

    @westside-steve said:

    I'm assuming that every one of the professionals that spends all this time studying tape or statistics or Dianetics or whatever would then all be on the same page and not split among Darnold Rosen Berkeley and Allen.

    Who is "Berkekey"?

    Well, except in a vacuum that would be a silly assumption. But in such context as competition level, team quality, off-field, etc. variation is going to occur.

  • @westside-steve said:

    Woody, I think if SI or CBS decided to hire us to do a Draft preview whatever we slapped together would be no more or less valid than the guys getting paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to do it.

    Nah... it'd be less... way less... valid because few here have watched tape on any let alone 30 or players. And when it comes to "tape", highlight reels don't count.

    @tour2ma said:

    Nah... it'd be less... way less... valid because few here have watched tape on any let alone 30 or players. And when it comes to "tape", highlight reels don't count.

    Does watching 4-5 complete games of Allen count Tour? I know that pales in comparison to the pro college scouts that will break down every pass Josh threw, and have all 22 tape. Yup, Allen's highlight reel is mighty impressive, but spend equal time on the lowlights, you tend to get a different opinion. 🙂

  • @tour2ma said:

    Nah... it'd be less... way less... valid because few here have watched tape on any let alone 30 or players. And when it comes to "tape", highlight reels don't count.

    Does watching 4-5 complete games of Allen count Tour? I know that pales in comparison to the pro college scouts that will break down every pass Josh threw, and have all 22 tape. Yup, Allen's highlight reel is mighty impressive, but spend equal time on the lowlights, you tend to get a different opinion. 🙂

    @hoorta said:

    Does watching 4-5 complete games of Allen count Tour?

    Depends how you "watch".

    1. If it's just a single live, real-time viewing, then it counts a little more.
    2. If you rewind to look at different aspects of throws, a lot more.
    3. If you take notes... more.
    4. Both #2 and 3? Don't look now, but you are breaking down tape...
  • @westside-steve said:

    I'm assuming that every one of the professionals that spends all this time studying tape or statistics or Dianetics or whatever would then all be on the same page and not split among Darnold Rosen Berkeley and Allen.

    Who is "Berkekey"?

    Well, except in a vacuum that would be a silly assumption. But in such context as competition level, team quality, off-field, etc. variation is going to occur.

    @tour2ma said:

    Who is "Berkekey"?

     speech to text glitch.

    Well, except in a vacuum that would be a silly assumption. But in such context as competition level, team quality, off-field, etc. variation is going to occur.

    😉

    WSS

  • Is this the same Mel Kiper that had Ryan Leaf ahead of Peyton Manning?

  • Is this the same Mel Kiper that had Ryan Leaf ahead of Peyton Manning?

    @topdawg31 said:

    Is this the same Mel Kiper that had Ryan Leaf ahead of Peyton Manning?

    actually, that is pretty good ! LOL. I reckon Kiper learned his lesson on character etc...

    http://broncoswire.usatoday.com/2018/01/19/mel-kiper-2018-nfl-mock-draft-josh-allen-ryan-leaf/

  • @topdawg31 said:

    Is this the same Mel Kiper that had Ryan Leaf ahead of Peyton Manning?

    actually, that is pretty good ! LOL. I reckon Kiper learned his lesson on character etc...

    http://broncoswire.usatoday.com/2018/01/19/mel-kiper-2018-nfl-mock-draft-josh-allen-ryan-leaf/

    @calfoxwc said:

    actually, that is pretty good ! LOL. I reckon Kiper learned his lesson on character etc...

    http://broncoswire.usatoday.com/2018/01/19/mel-kiper-2018-nfl-mock-draft-josh-allen-ryan-leaf/

    My POV Cal is character counts in the evaluation- to a point. Dak Prescott dropped in the draft due to the DUI. Turns out that was an isolated instance- the same might be the case with Mayfield. Yeah, he's done some stupid crap on the field, but I'll chalk that up to youthful exuberance. OTOH, Johnny Football has so many red character flags you would have thought it was back in the day of a Kremlin parade. He's probably the only guy I've ever torpedoed mostly on that basis- but there were other holes in his game I didn't like either. 

  • @the-gipper said:

    But, through all this...the allegation that he cannot hit the broad side of a barn door is not refuted.

    of course it isn't - until you watch his games, any highlight video. I mean "cannot hit the ..." and then he does it  all over the highlight films. You need "el kabong" to knock some sense in to ya? Of course he can.

         The allegation is simply "rah rah for the top rated brah" ya? That is as bs as showing 4 ints in a playoff game by Peyton Manning, and saying "see? he can't hit the broadside of a barn"

        If all you needed was accuracy, here's your qb:

    "Analysis

    Strengths

    XXX  has an NFL-quality frame that allows him to look over the offensive line and deliver his throws without a hitch. His quick release is his strongest asset, as he consistently fires the ball with a compact throwing motion and strong delivery. The ball zips off his arm, and he has the ability to fit it in any tight space. He is "all of the above" in terms of being a mature, poised leader. He is an accurate passer on throws short and long, and he has that gunslinger mentality to go for the deep ball when it's an option. He understands route progressions and throwing the ball to allow his receiver to make a play."

    @calfoxwc said:

    "Analysis

    Strengths

    XXX  has an NFL-quality frame that allows him to look over the offensive line and deliver his throws without a hitch. His quick release is his strongest asset, as he consistently fires the ball with a compact throwing motion and strong delivery. The ball zips off his arm, and he has the ability to fit it in any tight space. He is "all of the above" in terms of being a mature, poised leader. He is an accurate passer on throws short and long, and he has that gunslinger mentality to go for the deep ball when it's an option. He understands route progressions and throwing the ball to allow his receiver to make a play."

    ...this guy don't sound any dang good.

  • @topdawg31 said:

    Is this the same Mel Kiper that had Ryan Leaf ahead of Peyton Manning?

    actually, that is pretty good ! LOL. I reckon Kiper learned his lesson on character etc...

    http://broncoswire.usatoday.com/2018/01/19/mel-kiper-2018-nfl-mock-draft-josh-allen-ryan-leaf/

    @calfoxwc said:

    actually, that is pretty good ! LOL. I reckon Kiper learned his lesson on character etc...

    So he's one one lesson up on you?

  • @calfoxwc said:

    actually, that is pretty good ! LOL. I reckon Kiper learned his lesson on character etc...

    So he's one one lesson up on you?

    @tour2ma said:

    So he's one one lesson up on you?

    how is that exactly? since I didn't like leaf back in the day, and now Kiper unknowingly agrees with me? eh?🙄

  • @calfoxwc said:

    actually, that is pretty good ! LOL. I reckon Kiper learned his lesson on character etc...

    So he's one one lesson up on you?

    @tour2ma said:

    So he's one one lesson up on you?

    @calfoxwc said:

    actually, that is pretty good ! LOL. I reckon Kiper learned his lesson on character etc...

    Come on Tour every town needs it's town character. 😁

  • We're all characters. Why can't we all get a long? neck?

  • We're all characters. Why can't we all get a long? neck?

    @calfoxwc said:

    We're all characters.

    Agree with you on that.😵