The games deliver Ghoolie's lessons
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Otto Graham never won an NFL championship. Never. Not one that stands up to the teams of today. I m sure you can dig up some caveman who won The Fred Flintstone Bowl championship 8 times while wearing a Brontosaurus egg on his head. Stone Age championships mean nothing. The modern era of football started with the SB.
Tom, Gipper is such a crotchety old fart that he had season tickets during the Otto Graham era. He tailgated out of the back of his Model T.
Tom, Gipper is such a crotchety old fart that he had season tickets during the Otto Graham era. He tailgated out of the back of his Model T.
So....are you putting yourself in the bucket of ignorant arseholes along with Ghoolie?
Are you as Stupid as a Steeler fan? "The world didn't exist before the Steelers started winning" The world didn't exist before the Patriots started winning. Both Franchises were the laughing stock of 2 different leagues for 40 years each.....but those years don't count in your ignorant minds...and nothing counts before they started being winners.
Well....that would be great if we could do that. If nothing before the early 70s counted...then we can then conclude that nothing that Babe Ruth, Joe Dimaggio, Lou Gehrig, Ty Cobb, Mickey Mantle, Willie Mays, Jackie Robinson etc. etc. Nothing of what they did counts. Good...lets completely diminish the Yankees accomplisments all those years.
Same for Basketball. Nothing counts before the merger with the ABA...... Nothing Bill Russell, Wilt Chamberlain, Jerry West, Bob Cousy, George Mikan, Oscar Robertson,Elgin Baylor, John Havlicek, Bob Petit....nothing of their careers counts at all.
Same for hockey....not that I know much about hockey...but a few names like Bobby Orr, Gordie Howe, Maurice Richard, Stan Mikita...nothing they ever did counted.
You guys are the biggest morons of our generation.
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Want some stats for the past? Or present on how teams win? They are easy to find. The 2 most decorated QBs of ALL TIME were a 3rd and 6th round picks
Who do you consider the most "decorated" QBs of all time? I will take a guess and say you mean Tom Brady and Joe Montana.
Terry Bradshaw is every bit as decorated as Montana, AND a far better QB. You saw what happened to Montana when he didn't have DeBartolo to pay off refs. Montana was a phony. He was over rated and played for the mafia. He couldn't hold Bradshaw's sweaty balls. This is why Hollywood, TV AND the NFL seek Bradshaw out and pay him. Montana is doing Viagra commercials.
So...just to help you out with your point, here you go: Tom Brady #199 overall pick. Joe Montana #82 overall pick. And here is more fuel for you fire: another guy that won 5 titles: #200 overall pick. Mr. Bart Starr.
But, I will give some counterpoint to your theory: The QB that won the most Championships....with 7...was Otto Graham...and he was a #4 overall pick (of the Lions in 1944).
And the other QBs who have won 3 or more titles:
Terry Bradshaw...#1 overall...4 wins
Sid Luckman...#2 overall....4 wins
Troy Aikman....#1 overall....3 wins
John Unitias....#102 overall....3 wins
The other guy that sort of fits is Len Dawson....he won an AFL title, and a Super Bowl...and another AFL title but lost that Super Bowl he was a #5 overall pick.
If you don't go by just titles won...but by how "revered" they are as a QB.... you can also look at:
Peyton Manning #1 overall
John Elway #1 overall
Brett Favre #33 overall
Dan Marino #27 overall
Drew Brees #32 overall
Plus....others who have throw for over 50K yards in their careers....all 2004 guys:
Eli #1
Rivers #4
Ben R. #11.
Otto Graham never won an NFL championship. Never. Not one that stands up to the teams of today. I m sure you can dig up some caveman who won The Fred Flintstone Bowl championship 8 times while wearing a Brontosaurus egg on his head. Stone Age championships mean nothing. The modern era of football started with the SB.
Otto Graham never won an NFL championship. Never. Not one that stands up to the teams of today. I m sure you can dig up some caveman who won The Fred Flintstone Bowl championship 8 times while wearing a Brontosaurus egg on his head. Stone Age championships mean nothing. The modern era of football started with the SB.
& When they rename the Super Bowl the World Bowl or Universe Bowl, all those Championships the Steelers won in the 70s will mean as much as Otto's. You'd have to be damn near 50 to even remember them.
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Otto Graham never won an NFL championship. Never. Not one that stands up to the teams of today. I m sure you can dig up some caveman who won The Fred Flintstone Bowl championship 8 times while wearing a Brontosaurus egg on his head. Stone Age championships mean nothing. The modern era of football started with the SB.
& When they rename the Super Bowl the World Bowl or Universe Bowl, all those Championships the Steelers won in the 70s will mean as much as Otto's. You'd have to be damn near 50 to even remember them.
& When they rename the Super Bowl the World Bowl or Universe Bowl, all those Championships the Steelers won in the 70s will mean as much as Otto's. You'd have to be damn near 50 to even remember them.
75% of people now remember the Steel Curtain as well as they remember the Akron Pros. ..or the Napoleanic Wars.
Now...there was a matchup and names to remember;
Salamanca!
Badajoz!
Trafalgar!
Leipzig!
The Pyramids!
The March to Russia!
The Battle of the Nile!
and, of course, Waterloo!
Nelson! Wellington!
Blucher!
Villanueve!
Field Marshall Ney!
And, of course, Bonaparte himself!
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Tom, Gipper is such a crotchety old fart that he had season tickets during the Otto Graham era. He tailgated out of the back of his Model T.
So....are you putting yourself in the bucket of ignorant arseholes along with Ghoolie?
Are you as Stupid as a Steeler fan? "The world didn't exist before the Steelers started winning" The world didn't exist before the Patriots started winning. Both Franchises were the laughing stock of 2 different leagues for 40 years each.....but those years don't count in your ignorant minds...and nothing counts before they started being winners.
Well....that would be great if we could do that. If nothing before the early 70s counted...then we can then conclude that nothing that Babe Ruth, Joe Dimaggio, Lou Gehrig, Ty Cobb, Mickey Mantle, Willie Mays, Jackie Robinson etc. etc. Nothing of what they did counts. Good...lets completely diminish the Yankees accomplisments all those years.
Same for Basketball. Nothing counts before the merger with the ABA...... Nothing Bill Russell, Wilt Chamberlain, Jerry West, Bob Cousy, George Mikan, Oscar Robertson,Elgin Baylor, John Havlicek, Bob Petit....nothing of their careers counts at all.
Same for hockey....not that I know much about hockey...but a few names like Bobby Orr, Gordie Howe, Maurice Richard, Stan Mikita...nothing they ever did counted.
You guys are the biggest morons of our generation.
So....are you putting yourself in the bucket of ignorant arseholes along with Ghoolie?
Are you as Stupid as a Steeler fan? "The world didn't exist before the Steelers started winning" The world didn't exist before the Patriots started winning. Both Franchises were the laughing stock of 2 different leagues for 40 years each.....but those years don't count in your ignorant minds...and nothing counts before they started being winners.
Well....that would be great if we could do that. If nothing before the early 70s counted...then we can then conclude that nothing that Babe Ruth, Joe Dimaggio, Lou Gehrig, Ty Cobb, Mickey Mantle, Willie Mays, Jackie Robinson etc. etc. Nothing of what they did counts. Good...lets completely diminish the Yankees accomplisments all those years.
Same for Basketball. Nothing counts before the merger with the ABA...... Nothing Bill Russell, Wilt Chamberlain, Jerry West, Bob Cousy, George Mikan, Oscar Robertson,Elgin Baylor, John Havlicek, Bob Petit....nothing of their careers counts at all.
Same for hockey....not that I know much about hockey...but a few names like Bobby Orr, Gordie Howe, Maurice Richard, Stan Mikita...nothing they ever did counted.
You guys are the biggest morons of our generation.
What did you guys tailgate with back in yonder days?
Hard cider and squirrel stew.
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So....are you putting yourself in the bucket of ignorant arseholes along with Ghoolie?
Are you as Stupid as a Steeler fan? "The world didn't exist before the Steelers started winning" The world didn't exist before the Patriots started winning. Both Franchises were the laughing stock of 2 different leagues for 40 years each.....but those years don't count in your ignorant minds...and nothing counts before they started being winners.
Well....that would be great if we could do that. If nothing before the early 70s counted...then we can then conclude that nothing that Babe Ruth, Joe Dimaggio, Lou Gehrig, Ty Cobb, Mickey Mantle, Willie Mays, Jackie Robinson etc. etc. Nothing of what they did counts. Good...lets completely diminish the Yankees accomplisments all those years.
Same for Basketball. Nothing counts before the merger with the ABA...... Nothing Bill Russell, Wilt Chamberlain, Jerry West, Bob Cousy, George Mikan, Oscar Robertson,Elgin Baylor, John Havlicek, Bob Petit....nothing of their careers counts at all.
Same for hockey....not that I know much about hockey...but a few names like Bobby Orr, Gordie Howe, Maurice Richard, Stan Mikita...nothing they ever did counted.
You guys are the biggest morons of our generation.
What did you guys tailgate with back in yonder days?
Hard cider and squirrel stew.
What did you guys tailgate with back in yonder days?
Hard cider and squirrel stew.
We roasted stupid humans. Good thing you were not around. You would have been on the menu.
So....as a "Boston" guy.....are you comfortable with the notion that NOTHING that Bill Russell/Havlicek/Cousy/Bobby Orr/Ted Williams ever did counts for anything?
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So....are you putting yourself in the bucket of ignorant arseholes along with Ghoolie?
Are you as Stupid as a Steeler fan? "The world didn't exist before the Steelers started winning" The world didn't exist before the Patriots started winning. Both Franchises were the laughing stock of 2 different leagues for 40 years each.....but those years don't count in your ignorant minds...and nothing counts before they started being winners.
Well....that would be great if we could do that. If nothing before the early 70s counted...then we can then conclude that nothing that Babe Ruth, Joe Dimaggio, Lou Gehrig, Ty Cobb, Mickey Mantle, Willie Mays, Jackie Robinson etc. etc. Nothing of what they did counts. Good...lets completely diminish the Yankees accomplisments all those years.
Same for Basketball. Nothing counts before the merger with the ABA...... Nothing Bill Russell, Wilt Chamberlain, Jerry West, Bob Cousy, George Mikan, Oscar Robertson,Elgin Baylor, John Havlicek, Bob Petit....nothing of their careers counts at all.
Same for hockey....not that I know much about hockey...but a few names like Bobby Orr, Gordie Howe, Maurice Richard, Stan Mikita...nothing they ever did counted.
You guys are the biggest morons of our generation.
What did you guys tailgate with back in yonder days?
Hard cider and squirrel stew.
What did you guys tailgate with back in yonder days?
Hard cider and squirrel stew.
So cal, who loves squirrel, is a throwback? Who woulda guessed that?
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I honestly think Brady is past his prime. If he is given time, he is still great. But when he is forced to release quickly, he is very average. I think if JAX goes blitzn happy, they can win. I am sick of NE sick of everyone. SIck of us not having a team that is worthy of our honor and support.
Yes....Brady is past his prime.....but he is still one of the best likely 2 QBs in the league.
Yes....Brady is past his prime.....but he is still one of the best likely 2 QBs in the league.
Yes just like other greats like Peyton Manning, Brett Farve even John Elway they just knew how to win.......baby!
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I didn't say they were yours, but honestly, they don't indicate anything of substance. Any team that has a prolific offense is going to have one of the best defenses in the NFL simply because that defense will play less downs, have the opponent in horrible field position, AND because the opposing O will generally be playing catch up, will be at a disadvantage as to the play selection available.
A great offense makes life easy for the D.
Against a great O today, the Minnesota defense looked like pure schidt; average; not much better than the Browns.
OFFENSE wins championships................................Offense makes the defense.
San Diego Chargers when Fouts/Winslow were on the team still couldn't put together a championship due to their defense. They could put up 40 and lose 44-40. Combination of both is best.
San Diego Chargers when Fouts/Winslow were on the team still couldn't put together a championship due to their defense. They could put up 40 and lose 44-40. Combination of both is best.
heh heh heh....ask dan marino also....
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Otto Graham never won an NFL championship. Never. Not one that stands up to the teams of today. I m sure you can dig up some caveman who won The Fred Flintstone Bowl championship 8 times while wearing a Brontosaurus egg on his head. Stone Age championships mean nothing. The modern era of football started with the SB.
& When they rename the Super Bowl the World Bowl or Universe Bowl, all those Championships the Steelers won in the 70s will mean as much as Otto's. You'd have to be damn near 50 to even remember them.
& When they rename the Super Bowl the World Bowl or Universe Bowl, all those Championships the Steelers won in the 70s will mean as much as Otto's. You'd have to be damn near 50 to even remember them.
The NFL will never expand into Europe, and the rest of the world will never expand its interest in the NFL. The reality is that the NFL is shrinking, and Cleveland is a market that is among the least promising and profitable.
The Steelers tradition of winning is far greater than that of the Browns. In fact, the Browns are one of the least successful franchises of all times. Certianly in the Era of the modern times, they may be THE worst.
The Browns won the NFL title in 1964, but that is the only time, the only championship. All that leather helmet BS means noting. Those guys could have been beaten by a good pick up game squad.
The Cleveland Browns have the hardest hit players in the NFL -
So....are you putting yourself in the bucket of ignorant arseholes along with Ghoolie?
Are you as Stupid as a Steeler fan? "The world didn't exist before the Steelers started winning" The world didn't exist before the Patriots started winning. Both Franchises were the laughing stock of 2 different leagues for 40 years each.....but those years don't count in your ignorant minds...and nothing counts before they started being winners.
Well....that would be great if we could do that. If nothing before the early 70s counted...then we can then conclude that nothing that Babe Ruth, Joe Dimaggio, Lou Gehrig, Ty Cobb, Mickey Mantle, Willie Mays, Jackie Robinson etc. etc. Nothing of what they did counts. Good...lets completely diminish the Yankees accomplisments all those years.
Same for Basketball. Nothing counts before the merger with the ABA...... Nothing Bill Russell, Wilt Chamberlain, Jerry West, Bob Cousy, George Mikan, Oscar Robertson,Elgin Baylor, John Havlicek, Bob Petit....nothing of their careers counts at all.
Same for hockey....not that I know much about hockey...but a few names like Bobby Orr, Gordie Howe, Maurice Richard, Stan Mikita...nothing they ever did counted.
You guys are the biggest morons of our generation.
What did you guys tailgate with back in yonder days?
Hard cider and squirrel stew.
What did you guys tailgate with back in yonder days?
Hard cider and squirrel stew.
Cox and Vaselline
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I don't think it was Trubisky that got Fox fired.
I am not saying he for sure was, many factors go into that. My point was he was the ONLY person the Browns should take, and he didn't effect them losing. He wasn't a game changer. The hate he had for Watson, he did change things for the Texans until he got injured. The point was even all this predicting, he wasn't right on them
I am not saying he for sure was, many factors go into that. My point was he was the ONLY person the Browns should take, and he didn't effect them losing. He wasn't a game changer. The hate he had for Watson, he did change things for the Texans until he got injured. The point was even all this predicting, he wasn't right on them
I am absolutely right on Lynch. He got hurt, but he is the starter. He has more wins than any current Browns QB, as a Brown.
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You are an idiot if you think that. They came up against the best Defense in the NFL. the defense that had the most sacks. They may have gotten their butt handed to them a bit in this game....but they protected him well enough for BR to throw 5 TDs and for 469 yards.
I wish you were right...I wish the Steelers OL sucked swamp water....I wish it was so bad that BR was having his arse handed to him every game...but it is not like that. It is one of the best and best coached OLs in the game.
I hope that their OL coach is enticed to go elsewhere. He is a former HC...and is, I understand, being interviewed for a couple of HC jobs. Lets hope he gets one.
I dont think, I know that youre an idiot.
The Steelers OL and DL used to be one of the best in the NFL and could go toe to toe with any team. Against Jax, Ben threw hail marys and his WRs came down with the ball. The OL is not fine and Pitt has been winning nail biters all season.
The Steelers are not a dominate team in the trenches anymore. They are a soccer team.
I dont think, I know that youre an idiot.
The Steelers OL and DL used to be one of the best in the NFL and could go toe to toe with any team. Against Jax, Ben threw hail marys and his WRs came down with the ball. The OL is not fine and Pitt has been winning nail biters all season.
The Steelers are not a dominate team in the trenches anymore. They are a soccer team.
DOMINANT..........not dominate
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Otto Graham never won an NFL championship. Never. Not one that stands up to the teams of today. I m sure you can dig up some caveman who won The Fred Flintstone Bowl championship 8 times while wearing a Brontosaurus egg on his head. Stone Age championships mean nothing. The modern era of football started with the SB.
Tom, Gipper is such a crotchety old fart that he had season tickets during the Otto Graham era. He tailgated out of the back of his Model T.
Tom, Gipper is such a crotchety old fart that he had season tickets during the Otto Graham era. He tailgated out of the back of his Model T.
He tailgated out of Ben Hur's chariot. They made a movie about it. Chariots Of Schidt.
The Cleveland Browns have the hardest hit players in the NFL -
There’s a lot of bait being taken on this classic albeit predictable troll-job
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There’s a lot of bait being taken on this classic albeit predictable troll-job
There’s a lot of bait being taken on this classic albeit predictable troll-job
Half the fun for the fishes is nibbling at the bait to fool the fisherman into thinking there is a fish on the line. Got to wait until the line really runs off before you set the hook.
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& When they rename the Super Bowl the World Bowl or Universe Bowl, all those Championships the Steelers won in the 70s will mean as much as Otto's. You'd have to be damn near 50 to even remember them.
The NFL will never expand into Europe, and the rest of the world will never expand its interest in the NFL. The reality is that the NFL is shrinking, and Cleveland is a market that is among the least promising and profitable.
The Steelers tradition of winning is far greater than that of the Browns. In fact, the Browns are one of the least successful franchises of all times. Certianly in the Era of the modern times, they may be THE worst.
The Browns won the NFL title in 1964, but that is the only time, the only championship. All that leather helmet BS means noting. Those guys could have been beaten by a good pick up game squad.
The NFL will never expand into Europe, and the rest of the world will never expand its interest in the NFL. The reality is that the NFL is shrinking, and Cleveland is a market that is among the least promising and profitable.
The Steelers tradition of winning is far greater than that of the Browns. In fact, the Browns are one of the least successful franchises of all times. Certianly in the Era of the modern times, they may be THE worst.
The Browns won the NFL title in 1964, but that is the only time, the only championship. All that leather helmet BS means noting. Those guys could have been beaten by a good pick up game squad.
You can only play the competition the league has. The thing that never changed is "if you beat the best - you're the best." The first 10 years of Pro Football for the Cleveland Browns - they were in the Championship Games all 10 years. When they were in the weaker league - they Won the Championship all 4 times. When the Browns (and 2-3 of those teams) joined the NFL - Cleveland made all 6 NFL Championship Games (won half of them - including their very 1st game they were SUPPOSED to lose to Philly in).
When this franchise leaned on Ottomatic Graham during his 10 year career - they won 7 Pro Football Championship Titles. Bradshaw had you staining your Fruit of the Looms much far less; and Otto never got benched for a lesser QB all the way into his 4th season. When this franchise leaned on Jim Brown - they only won 1 Pro Football Title (1964). Otto Graham also won a Pro Basketball Championship with the Rochester Royals. Sometimes I'm asked why Rochester, NY has such a HUGE following of the Cleveland Browns fans and I think Otto Graham, Jim Brown (SU) and Ernie Davis (SU). There was also a good lineman John Brown who blocked for Ernie Davis at SU before he played at a high level for the Browns.
Here's coaches that learned under Paul Brown:
1) Don Shula - Did anyone else go undefeated in the 70s in spite of a backup QB starting all but 5 games? Has anyone gone undefeated after the 70s?
2) Chuck Noll - This piece of "Offensive Linemen are just a Dime a Dozen" learned a lot as Paul Brown's messenger Guard; maybe even some draft criteria...
3) Bill Walsh - Listed last because he learned the nuts and bolts of the WCO in Cincitucky under Brown. I'm glad SF's dynasty was almost as good as the Cleveland Browns.
Even Tom Landry and the Cowboys borrowed a lot of his scouting and draft criteria that was way ahead of his time. Brown was the best High School Coach in the Country before he won a National Title for Ohio State before he created the best 10 year dynasty Pro Football has ever witnessed. Looks to me like the PRO FOOTBALL Hall of Fame is in the right state.
No need to drop a plop on the part of our history when winning was a tradition - especially if everyone remembers to take their meds.
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& When they rename the Super Bowl the World Bowl or Universe Bowl, all those Championships the Steelers won in the 70s will mean as much as Otto's. You'd have to be damn near 50 to even remember them.
The NFL will never expand into Europe, and the rest of the world will never expand its interest in the NFL. The reality is that the NFL is shrinking, and Cleveland is a market that is among the least promising and profitable.
The Steelers tradition of winning is far greater than that of the Browns. In fact, the Browns are one of the least successful franchises of all times. Certianly in the Era of the modern times, they may be THE worst.
The Browns won the NFL title in 1964, but that is the only time, the only championship. All that leather helmet BS means noting. Those guys could have been beaten by a good pick up game squad.
The NFL will never expand into Europe, and the rest of the world will never expand its interest in the NFL. The reality is that the NFL is shrinking, and Cleveland is a market that is among the least promising and profitable.
The Steelers tradition of winning is far greater than that of the Browns. In fact, the Browns are one of the least successful franchises of all times. Certianly in the Era of the modern times, they may be THE worst.
The Browns won the NFL title in 1964, but that is the only time, the only championship. All that leather helmet BS means noting. Those guys could have been beaten by a good pick up game squad.
Since 1999 the case can be made the Browns are the least successful. Good thing the Steelers didn't get shut down pre 1970 & moved because THEY were the least successful franchise 1930-1970. And don't give me that crap it was a long time ago. As Gip pointed out, plenty of yellow seats in the 4th quarter of a playoff game in Pittsburgh last week.
All it will take is a few winning seasons and all the talk of the Browns being among least profitable will go away.
BTW, about that 11-5 prediction for the Bengals this year. Only missed it by 4. 7-9. Told ya they were going to stink. Since two of their wins were against the hapless Browns, My 5-11 would have been right on...
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The NFL will never expand into Europe, and the rest of the world will never expand its interest in the NFL. The reality is that the NFL is shrinking, and Cleveland is a market that is among the least promising and profitable.
The Steelers tradition of winning is far greater than that of the Browns. In fact, the Browns are one of the least successful franchises of all times. Certianly in the Era of the modern times, they may be THE worst.
The Browns won the NFL title in 1964, but that is the only time, the only championship. All that leather helmet BS means noting. Those guys could have been beaten by a good pick up game squad.
Since 1999 the case can be made the Browns are the least successful. Good thing the Steelers didn't get shut down pre 1970 & moved because THEY were the least successful franchise 1930-1970. And don't give me that crap it was a long time ago. As Gip pointed out, plenty of yellow seats in the 4th quarter of a playoff game in Pittsburgh last week.
All it will take is a few winning seasons and all the talk of the Browns being among least profitable will go away.
BTW, about that 11-5 prediction for the Bengals this year. Only missed it by 4. 7-9. Told ya they were going to stink. Since two of their wins were against the hapless Browns, My 5-11 would have been right on...
BTW, about that 11-5 prediction for the Bengals this year. Only missed it by 4. 7-9. Told ya they were going to stink. Since two of their wins were against the hapless Browns, My 5-11 would have been right on...
Moral of the story. Browns will find a way to screw with you no matter what you do.
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