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  • From the Browns website... http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news/article-5/Mock-Draft-Roundup-Mel-Kiper-Jr-other-draft-analysts-make-their-1st-projections-for-Browns/4529d810-34ae-4bb5-bc8e-8db79ec1f694

    Look at the common denominator in ALL these mock drafts... Different QBs taken #1, different QBs taken #4, some don't even draft a QB... Look Barkley is there is almost ALL of them, take the RB #1 and take the QB next. Potentially, only 1 QB will be taken from picks 2 and 3. That leaves ALL the other QBs there for the taking. Read it for yourself.

    Mel Kiper Jr. - ESPN.com

    1. QB Josh Allen (Wyoming)

    4. RB Saquon Barkley (Penn State)

    Of note: Allen is drawing a lot of attention because of his ideal measurables (6-5, 222) and his diverse skill set. He’ll have a big opportunity to showcase himself at next week’s Senior Bowl.

    Matt Miller - Bleacher Report

    1. QB Sam Darnold (USC)

    4. Barkley

    Of note: There was, perhaps, no bigger of a big-play threat in college football last year than Barkley, who averaged nearly 6 yards a carry and more than 11 on receptions. He also returned two kicks for touchdowns.

    Bryan Fischer - Athlon Sports

    1. Barkley

    4. Josh Rosen (UCLA)

    Of note: In this scenario, the Browns would be taking the second quarterback in the draft, as Fischer projects the Giants, who hold the No. 2 pick, to take Darnold.

    Chris Trapasso - CBSSports.com

    1. Darnold

    4. OT Orlando Brown (Oklahoma)

    Of note: Brown is the son of the former Browns offensive lineman with the same name. The Browns haven’t used a first-round pick on an offensive tackle since Joe Thomasicon-article-link.gif in 2007.

    Eric Galko - Sporting News

    1. Darnold

    4. Barkley

    Of note: If the projection holds, Darnold would be the fourth USC quarterback selected in the top 10 since 2003.

    Josh Norris - Rotoworld

    1. Darnold

    4. Barkley

    Of note: Norris has just one other running back going in the first round (LSU’s Derrius Guice at No. 20).

    Walter Cherepinsky - WalterFootball.com

    1. Barkley

    4. DB Minkah Fitzpatrick (Alabama)

    Of note: Fitzpatrick, a three-year starter for the Crimson Tide, did a little bit of everything for one of the deepest secondaries in the nation. Kiper considers him to be the third-best overall player in the draft.

    Luke Easterling - USA Today

    1. Rosen

    4. Fitzpatrick

    Of note: Rosen started three seasons at UCLA with his best coming this past year, when he threw for 3,756 yards, 26 touchdowns and 10 interceptions.

    Steve Palazzolo - Pro Football Focus

    1. QB Baker Mayfield (Oklahoma)

    4. Fitzpatrick

    Of note: One of the most polarizing prospects in this year’s draft, Mayfield is coming off a banner college career that saw him lead the Sooners twice to the College Football Playoff and win the 2017 Heisman Trophy.

  • I thought people playing characters only existed on the political board... I was wrong

  • I thought people playing characters only existed on the political board... I was wrong

    @mld-woody said:

    I thought people playing characters only existed on the political board... I was wrong

    This has to be some Andy Kaufman Sheet going on...

  • @wargograw said:

    Still waiting for youto refute my many points on him. I've posted them multiple times and I don't think I've ever seen you respond.

    Sorry man, haven't seen you post anything other than Fournette ran for 1 ypc against Alabama and Zeke ran for a bazillion... We're talking about 3 different teams(LSU, Ohio State and Alabama) and two different players(Zeke and Fournette) that have nothing to do with Barkley... what am I missing here?

    @poeticg said:

    Sorry man, haven't seen you post anything other than Fournette ran for 1 ypc against Alabama and Zeke ran for a bazillion... We're talking about 3 different teams(LSU, Ohio State and Alabama) and two different players(Zeke and Fournette) that have nothing to do with Barkley... what am I missing here?

    tap your brakes just a little Poe, he's not a pass pro back like Zeke, test is coming  https://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-spt-silver-football-saquon-barkley-nfl-future-20171207-story.html     from june  https://www.foxsports.com/college-football/story/penn-state-football-comparing-saquon-barkley-to-recent-1st-round-rbs-051717   

  • What would it take to trade up from 4 to 2? 

    @poeticg said:

    What would it take to trade up from 4 to 2? 

    A lobotomy.

  • @poeticg said:

    What would it take to trade up from 4 to 2? 

    A lobotomy.

    @dutch-oven said:

    A lobotomy.

    Two more first round picks to start with? 

  • A good first take on Mayfield.

    ...and I'm only bringing this up because I know a lot of you guys think you need to burn the #1 on a QB. You can EASILY take Barkley 1st without give NY/Colts a chance at him, then turn around and take the QB not named Frozen Rosen or Ronald Darnold.

    @poeticg said:

    A good first take on Mayfield.

    ...and I'm only bringing this up because I know a lot of you guys think you need to burn the #1 on a QB. You can EASILY take Barkley 1st without give NY/Colts a chance at him, then turn around and take the QB not named Frozen Rosen or Ronald Darnold.

    One mock draft had us taking Mayfield 1st and Barkley 4th.   You have to ask yourself are the teams drafting 2nd and 3rd all set at QB?  And, will they ever have a better chance to nail their version of pick of the litter at QB (especially when/if Mayfield isn't their #1 QB). In honor of silly season kicking off -  If we DID pick Mayfield 1st overall - this pushes the Rosen One and Darnold Duck-HerecomesBosaagain to the 2nd and 3rd team. Now Cleveland has their pick of the litter for whatever player/position they want to go after.  This scenario means Barkley will be there at #4 if our FO wants him.   At this time I hope they don't want him.  There's still good RBs after round 1.  Dorsey was in the FO that drafted Kareem Hunt in round 3 so he understands this as well as anyone.   Meanwhile, Alvin Kamara was also drafted in round 3.

    The last time we got bullied into a RB was when we held the 4th overall pick and traded up to #3 to draft Trent Richardson.  At the time, it sure seemed like a lot of well paid draft analysts told us that was a great pick.  I'll fess up, I was right there with you thinking Richardson was an ideal pick.  That's why I never bust your balls about the guy. That said, I do hope we can learn from our mistakes and realize the draft rarely ever runs out of very good RBs after round 1.

  • @mld-woody said:

    I thought people playing characters only existed on the political board... I was wrong

    This has to be some Andy Kaufman Sheet going on...

    @dutch-oven said:

    This has to be some Andy Kaufman Sheet going on...

    YES, they added a Boss 

  • @mld-woody said:

    I thought people playing characters only existed on the political board... I was wrong

    This has to be some Andy Kaufman Sheet going on...

    @dutch-oven said:

    This has to be some Andy Kaufman Sheet going on...

    Andy was boss! A great talent but also a strange individual.....I loved man on the moon, wife doesn't really get it.

  • I see Guice and Johnson as very similar players, Guice a better runner but Johnson the better receiver. 

    @poeticg said:

    I see Guice and Johnson as very similar players, Guice a better runner but Johnson the better receiver.

    Calling out dissimilarities demonstrates their similarity?

    @poeticg said:

    I'm answering you're "questions" by telling you to watch the games for yourself. Watch the way the player moves, how he reacts, his knowledge of the game, reading defenses, effecting defenses even without getting touches... and doing this without complaining about touches or carries or stats.

    So which game best demonstrates each of the five qualities you list in your learned opinion?

  • I bet Jags fans are happy their team didn't listen to the "Don't take a RB high in the 1st round, cause it's just a waste of a pick because you can find a good RB any time you want" stuff. 

  • Hey Dawgpound, what about this-

    Saquon Barkley #1 and Baker Mayfield #4? 

    That could be electric.

    @poeticg said:

    Hey Dawgpound, what about this-

    Saquon Barkley #1 and Baker Mayfield #4? 

    That could be electric.

    Yeah, shock what's left of our fanbase to death.

    But by all means, advocate for players like that.    Because "electric" wins you football games.

  • Yo Mods, can we get a pin on this? 

    @poeticg said:

    Yo Mods, can we get a pin on this? 

    Or altering the Tivoli delete the entire threadOr altering the Tivoli delete the entire thread

  • I'm not saying I'm for or against Barkley. But on its face you have to come to terms like I have that taking a running back top 5 has objectively been successful two years in a row. Fournette is an incredible difference maker in this game and we know what zeke has been doing.

  • I bet Jags fans are happy their team didn't listen to the "Don't take a RB high in the 1st round, cause it's just a waste of a pick because you can find a good RB any time you want" stuff. 

    @d-bone said:

    I bet Jags fans are happy their team didn't listen to the "Don't take a RB high in the 1st round, cause it's just a waste of a pick because you can find a good RB any time you want" stuff. 

    Fournette averaged 3.9 yards a rush.

    Crowell, his cane with a red tip and guide dog averaged better than that.

  • I'm not saying I'm for or against Barkley. But on its face you have to come to terms like I have that taking a running back top 5 has objectively been successful two years in a row. Fournette is an incredible difference maker in this game and we know what zeke has been doing.

    @jrb12711 said:

    I'm not saying I'm for or against Barkley. But on its face you have to come to terms like I have that taking a running back top 5 has objectively been successful two years in a row. Fournette is an incredible difference maker in this game and we know what zeke has been doing.

    Cam Newton and Andrew Luck went 1st round back to back.    So because that had been 'objectively successful' we should have taken Geno Smith 1st round in 13', huh?

  • I bet Jags fans are happy their team didn't listen to the "Don't take a RB high in the 1st round, cause it's just a waste of a pick because you can find a good RB any time you want" stuff. 

    @d-bone said:

    I bet Jags fans are happy their team didn't listen to the "Don't take a RB high in the 1st round, cause it's just a waste of a pick because you can find a good RB any time you want" stuff. 

    I think the Jags would be just fine had they taken Kamara or Hunt in the third.

  • @d-bone said:

    I bet Jags fans are happy their team didn't listen to the "Don't take a RB high in the 1st round, cause it's just a waste of a pick because you can find a good RB any time you want" stuff. 

    I think the Jags would be just fine had they taken Kamara or Hunt in the third.

    @roycerolls said:

    I think the Jags would be just fine had they taken Kamara or Hunt in the third.

    Maybe even Dion Lewis......... Too bad we can't ever find a player like that - oh, wait. 

  • @jrb12711 said:

    I'm not saying I'm for or against Barkley. But on its face you have to come to terms like I have that taking a running back top 5 has objectively been successful two years in a row. Fournette is an incredible difference maker in this game and we know what zeke has been doing.

    Cam Newton and Andrew Luck went 1st round back to back.    So because that had been 'objectively successful' we should have taken Geno Smith 1st round in 13', huh?

    @tiamat63 said:

    Cam Newton and Andrew Luck went 1st round back to back.    So because that had been 'objectively successful' we should have taken Geno Smith 1st round in 13', huh?

    Because that's exactly what I said! 

    Calm down dude, we get it you don't like him. It's simply worth noting that the old adage of not taking a running back high has been proven wrong two years in a row now. QB always goes high so you know that's not the same thing.

  • @tiamat63 said:

    Cam Newton and Andrew Luck went 1st round back to back.    So because that had been 'objectively successful' we should have taken Geno Smith 1st round in 13', huh?

    Because that's exactly what I said! 

    Calm down dude, we get it you don't like him. It's simply worth noting that the old adage of not taking a running back high has been proven wrong two years in a row now. QB always goes high so you know that's not the same thing.

    @jrb12711 said:

    Because that's exactly what I said! 

    Calm down dude, we get it you don't like him. It's simply worth noting that the old adage of not taking a running back high has been proven wrong two years in a row now. QB always goes high so you know that's not the same thing.

    That's exactly what you were implying though, no?    What other way was there to interpret?  Also, it's a message board.  I'm plenty calm.