Camp Barkley #1 Overall
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I see Guice and Johnson as very similar players, Guice a better runner but Johnson the better receiver.
I see Guice and Johnson as very similar players, Guice a better runner but Johnson the better receiver.
Calling out dissimilarities demonstrates their similarity?
I'm answering you're "questions" by telling you to watch the games for yourself. Watch the way the player moves, how he reacts, his knowledge of the game, reading defenses, effecting defenses even without getting touches... and doing this without complaining about touches or carries or stats.
So which game best demonstrates each of the five qualities you list in your learned opinion?
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I bet Jags fans are happy their team didn't listen to the "Don't take a RB high in the 1st round, cause it's just a waste of a pick because you can find a good RB any time you want" stuff.
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Hey Dawgpound, what about this-
Saquon Barkley #1 and Baker Mayfield #4?
That could be electric.
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I'm not saying I'm for or against Barkley. But on its face you have to come to terms like I have that taking a running back top 5 has objectively been successful two years in a row. Fournette is an incredible difference maker in this game and we know what zeke has been doing.
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I bet Jags fans are happy their team didn't listen to the "Don't take a RB high in the 1st round, cause it's just a waste of a pick because you can find a good RB any time you want" stuff.
I bet Jags fans are happy their team didn't listen to the "Don't take a RB high in the 1st round, cause it's just a waste of a pick because you can find a good RB any time you want" stuff.
Fournette averaged 3.9 yards a rush.
Crowell, his cane with a red tip and guide dog averaged better than that.
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I'm not saying I'm for or against Barkley. But on its face you have to come to terms like I have that taking a running back top 5 has objectively been successful two years in a row. Fournette is an incredible difference maker in this game and we know what zeke has been doing.
I'm not saying I'm for or against Barkley. But on its face you have to come to terms like I have that taking a running back top 5 has objectively been successful two years in a row. Fournette is an incredible difference maker in this game and we know what zeke has been doing.
Cam Newton and Andrew Luck went 1st round back to back. So because that had been 'objectively successful' we should have taken Geno Smith 1st round in 13', huh?
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I bet Jags fans are happy their team didn't listen to the "Don't take a RB high in the 1st round, cause it's just a waste of a pick because you can find a good RB any time you want" stuff.
I bet Jags fans are happy their team didn't listen to the "Don't take a RB high in the 1st round, cause it's just a waste of a pick because you can find a good RB any time you want" stuff.
I think the Jags would be just fine had they taken Kamara or Hunt in the third.
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I think the Jags would be just fine had they taken Kamara or Hunt in the third.
Maybe even Dion Lewis......... Too bad we can't ever find a player like that - oh, wait.
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I'm not saying I'm for or against Barkley. But on its face you have to come to terms like I have that taking a running back top 5 has objectively been successful two years in a row. Fournette is an incredible difference maker in this game and we know what zeke has been doing.
Cam Newton and Andrew Luck went 1st round back to back. So because that had been 'objectively successful' we should have taken Geno Smith 1st round in 13', huh?
Cam Newton and Andrew Luck went 1st round back to back. So because that had been 'objectively successful' we should have taken Geno Smith 1st round in 13', huh?
Because that's exactly what I said!
Calm down dude, we get it you don't like him. It's simply worth noting that the old adage of not taking a running back high has been proven wrong two years in a row now. QB always goes high so you know that's not the same thing.
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Cam Newton and Andrew Luck went 1st round back to back. So because that had been 'objectively successful' we should have taken Geno Smith 1st round in 13', huh?
Because that's exactly what I said!
Calm down dude, we get it you don't like him. It's simply worth noting that the old adage of not taking a running back high has been proven wrong two years in a row now. QB always goes high so you know that's not the same thing.
Because that's exactly what I said!
Calm down dude, we get it you don't like him. It's simply worth noting that the old adage of not taking a running back high has been proven wrong two years in a row now. QB always goes high so you know that's not the same thing.
That's exactly what you were implying though, no? What other way was there to interpret? Also, it's a message board. I'm plenty calm.
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Because that's exactly what I said!
Calm down dude, we get it you don't like him. It's simply worth noting that the old adage of not taking a running back high has been proven wrong two years in a row now. QB always goes high so you know that's not the same thing.
That's exactly what you were implying though, no? What other way was there to interpret? Also, it's a message board. I'm plenty calm.
That's exactly what you were implying though, no? What other way was there to interpret? Also, it's a message board. I'm plenty calm.
I said what I was implying and the two ideas are fundamentally different. You know that.
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You can't just take out the chunk plays war. That is not how it works. That is like saying, "Let's evaluate Kizer and his potential but let's take out his interceptions" It's all a piece to the puzzle. You can gameplan and focus on one player but still make an impact. Pass blocking, route running, drawing a defense, the factors are too numerous to list. You have to look at the whole picture bro. Take Barkley #1 and you've got an impact player that is going to challenge the defense immediately. He going to make the OL better, the QB better, the WRs better, you can't replace that with 4 okay runningbacks.
I'm answering you're "questions" by telling you to watch the games for yourself. Watch the way the player moves, how he reacts, his knowledge of the game, reading defenses, effecting defenses even without getting touches... and doing this without complaining about touches or carries or stats.
My question to you is this- Did his team win those games? What do last years stats and the year before tell you when looked at as a "body of work"?
You can't just take out the chunk plays war. That is not how it works. That is like saying, "Let's evaluate Kizer and his potential but let's take out his interceptions" It's all a piece to the puzzle. You can gameplan and focus on one player but still make an impact. Pass blocking, route running, drawing a defense, the factors are too numerous to list. You have to look at the whole picture bro. Take Barkley #1 and you've got an impact player that is going to challenge the defense immediately. He going to make the OL better, the QB better, the WRs better, you can't replace that with 4 okay runningbacks.
I'm answering you're "questions" by telling you to watch the games for yourself. Watch the way the player moves, how he reacts, his knowledge of the game, reading defenses, effecting defenses even without getting touches... and doing this without complaining about touches or carries or stats.
My question to you is this- Did his team win those games? What do last years stats and the year before tell you when looked at as a "body of work"?
Big plays aren't there nearly as frequently in the NFL. What's going to earn you a job is being able to pick up yards on a DOWN TO DOWN basis. Not getting stuffed 24 times for 36 yards, then breaking a 45 yard run. That helps no one. It's absolutely a legitimate exercise to remove the long run. I looked up Trent Richardson's college stats last night too. Take out his long runs and his YPC is still relatively the same. Why? He didn't have to rely on that. He could move the chains every time he touched the ball.
I have watched his games. I'm the CFB guru around here. This kid is outstanding, best-in-a-decade RECEIVING back. Occasionally, he makes an amazing run. He's nowhere near good enough on a down-to-down basis to justify picking him #4 for a team that just went winless.
As for whether his team won those games. A couple of them they didn't, and I'm betting a better and more consistent rushing attack would have helped tremendously.
I bet Jags fans are happy their team didn't listen to the "Don't take a RB high in the 1st round, cause it's just a waste of a pick because you can find a good RB any time you want" stuff.
I bet , on the whole, they're more glad they signed
AJ Bouye
Calais Campbell
Dante Fowler (back from injury)
Barry church
Dede WestbrookCameron Robinson
Healthy Myles Jack
Marcell Darius
Malik Jackson
Jaelon StrongBut yeah, Fournette's the difference between 3-13 and the AFC championship game.....
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You can't just take out the chunk plays war. That is not how it works. That is like saying, "Let's evaluate Kizer and his potential but let's take out his interceptions" It's all a piece to the puzzle. You can gameplan and focus on one player but still make an impact. Pass blocking, route running, drawing a defense, the factors are too numerous to list. You have to look at the whole picture bro. Take Barkley #1 and you've got an impact player that is going to challenge the defense immediately. He going to make the OL better, the QB better, the WRs better, you can't replace that with 4 okay runningbacks.
I'm answering you're "questions" by telling you to watch the games for yourself. Watch the way the player moves, how he reacts, his knowledge of the game, reading defenses, effecting defenses even without getting touches... and doing this without complaining about touches or carries or stats.
My question to you is this- Did his team win those games? What do last years stats and the year before tell you when looked at as a "body of work"?
Big plays aren't there nearly as frequently in the NFL. What's going to earn you a job is being able to pick up yards on a DOWN TO DOWN basis. Not getting stuffed 24 times for 36 yards, then breaking a 45 yard run. That helps no one. It's absolutely a legitimate exercise to remove the long run. I looked up Trent Richardson's college stats last night too. Take out his long runs and his YPC is still relatively the same. Why? He didn't have to rely on that. He could move the chains every time he touched the ball.
I have watched his games. I'm the CFB guru around here. This kid is outstanding, best-in-a-decade RECEIVING back. Occasionally, he makes an amazing run. He's nowhere near good enough on a down-to-down basis to justify picking him #4 for a team that just went winless.
As for whether his team won those games. A couple of them they didn't, and I'm betting a better and more consistent rushing attack would have helped tremendously.
I bet Jags fans are happy their team didn't listen to the "Don't take a RB high in the 1st round, cause it's just a waste of a pick because you can find a good RB any time you want" stuff.
I bet , on the whole, they're more glad they signed
AJ Bouye
Calais Campbell
Dante Fowler (back from injury)
Barry church
Dede WestbrookCameron Robinson
Healthy Myles Jack
Marcell Darius
Malik Jackson
Jaelon StrongBut yeah, Fournette's the difference between 3-13 and the AFC championship game.....
But yeah, Fournette's the difference between 3-13 and the AFC championship game.....
Never said he was....... typical post from you.
Simply said that the Jags weren't scared off and took a good RB high like the Cowboys did and I bet their fans are happy...... Nice try on changing the narrative though, you're a solid pro at that.
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Who is going to be the best player on the team if we draft Saquon?
Josh Gordon vs Saquon Barkley
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But yeah, Fournette's the difference between 3-13 and the AFC championship game.....
Never said he was....... typical post from you.
Simply said that the Jags weren't scared off and took a good RB high like the Cowboys did and I bet their fans are happy...... Nice try on changing the narrative though, you're a solid pro at that.
Never said he was....... typical post from you.
Simply said that the Jags weren't scared off and took a good RB high like the Cowboys did and I bet their fans are happy...... Nice try on changing the narrative though, you're a solid pro at that.
So they're happy about something that could and likely does have very little to do with their success.
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Who is going to be the best player on the team if we draft Saquon?
Josh Gordon vs Saquon Barkley
Who is going to be the best player on the team if we draft Saquon?
Josh Gordon vs Saquon Barkley
Our discussion's over already?
How does a 65 yard TD run once a game help you when the rest of time you can't muster up a yard and a half?
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Our discussion's over already?
How does a 65 yard TD run once a game help you when the rest of time you can't muster up a yard and a half?
I don't know what stat you are talking about here.
You're saying that if you take out the big plays he makes, then he's just as good as a player like Crowell? What about when he makes guys miss on 3rd down to move the chains? Or the receiving yards? Or the kickoff returns? Do you get extra points for 3rd downs or picking up blocks? What are the rules in this game you want to play? Which stat are you ultimately judging this player by? Are all runningbacks that you judge scrutinized by the same measure? What are a player like Adrian Peterson's numbers like in comparison to Barkley's numbers, with and then without whatever stat or numbers your using to rank these guys?
What I do is much simpler- I use my eyes and intuition to "see" what I can see. You can play or you can't play. I see Barkley as a special talent. If I was a captain and I'm picking teams, with my first pick I'm pointing at Barkley- I'm going to win if I get this guy. Have you ever went to a basketball park at night and played pick up games under the lights? You learn things. A stat is just an attempt to systematically describe what transpired. But we all know that games aren't played by the numbers, the numbers come after the act.
If we draft Barkley- who is the best playmaker on the team. Who are you giving the ball to on the first play? Who are you giving the ball to on the last play to win the game?
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http://www.centredaily.com/sports/college/penn-state-university/psu-football/article192828629.html
I couldn't copy the article but here's a link. It's pretty incredible to see for yourself the litany of quotes from players, coaches and media about Saquon.
Guys like Urban Meyer saying carefully that Barkley is the most talented all purpose running back in the last 30 years!
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