Are you all so sure Kizer can't be your QB?
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In thinking about the Dallas train robbery deal what blue chip players do the BROWNS have now?
ANSWER: None? Better keep building guys! There are some good players in this draft.
GO BROWNS 2019!
In thinking about the Dallas train robbery deal what blue chip players do the BROWNS have now?
ANSWER: None? Better keep building guys! There are some good players in this draft.
GO BROWNS 2019!
Don't kill my buzz before I even get one. True but their 3-13 that got Landry fired followed by 1-15 in JJ's Rookie NFL HC gig showed us similar bare cupboards pre-Herschel trade. Some might even argue Russell Maryland never played up to a #1 overall pick status either. Dallas made some mistakes along the way - they just had enough picks to make missing on some forgivable. These 1st 5 picks in 2 rounds this year with some good FA choices could change things considerably.
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In thinking about the Dallas train robbery deal what blue chip players do the BROWNS have now?
ANSWER: None? Better keep building guys! There are some good players in this draft.
GO BROWNS 2019!
Don't kill my buzz before I even get one. True but their 3-13 that got Landry fired followed by 1-15 in JJ's Rookie NFL HC gig showed us similar bare cupboards pre-Herschel trade. Some might even argue Russell Maryland never played up to a #1 overall pick status either. Dallas made some mistakes along the way - they just had enough picks to make missing on some forgivable. These 1st 5 picks in 2 rounds this year with some good FA choices could change things considerably.
Don't kill my buzz before I even get one. True but their 3-13 that got Landry fired followed by 1-15 in JJ's Rookie NFL HC gig showed us similar bare cupboards pre-Herschel trade. Some might even argue Russell Maryland never played up to a #1 overall pick status either. Dallas made some mistakes along the way - they just had enough picks to make missing on some forgivable. These 1st 5 picks in 2 rounds this year with some good FA choices could change things considerably.
I keep this thought in my mind that Joe Shobert is kind of like Larry Izzo in quality.. maybe a few frog hairs better...
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I don't get it. So just because Aikman and Bradshaw (who go way back) made it, we should apply that to all horribly performing QBs? Kizer just simply doesn't have it, he never really did have it. He has a strong arm, but inaccurate as hell, holds onto the ball too long, and can't read defenses...not to mention he locks onto receivers as well. There's just too much going wrong with him and I'm not comfortable with the wait it out game.. When you are presented with the chance to secure a true franchise QB, especially suffering through Kizer last season, you DO IT and don't second guess it.
Name me all of the good WRs that actually can run deep routes or even can CATCH the ball consistently.......oh besides the returning project Flash Gordon. And way back, yes that's how rare franchise QBs can be plus those two mentioned had some good targets on the team.
It's not all the very young and super inexperienced QB at all. Hopefully the BROWNS can get a journeyman QB as a stopgap measure to start or at least have a good QB competition on this ZERO win team, even Kizer would be better than another rookie saviour. Maybe draft another project in the second round, OH and I and many others do NOT see any true franchise QBs in this bunch, we'll see.
........and we can quit beating up this dead horse again.
Name me all of the good WRs that actually can run deep routes or even can CATCH the ball consistently.......oh besides the returning project Flash Gordon. And way back, yes that's how rare franchise QBs can be plus those two mentioned had some good targets on the team.
It's not all the very young and super inexperienced QB at all. Hopefully the BROWNS can get a journeyman QB as a stopgap measure to start or at least have a good QB competition on this ZERO win team, even Kizer would be better than another rookie saviour. Maybe draft another project in the second round, OH and I and many others do NOT see any true franchise QBs in this bunch, we'll see.
........and we can quit beating up this dead horse again.
This reply addresses ZERO of the issues with Kizer's play which have been stated throughout this thread. This thread is about Kizer, not the WR's, not the concept of a mentor. Kizer doesn't consistently put the ball in a place where his WR's can catch it.
I'm certain Kizer can't be the solution because he, personally, is not accurate enough. That's it.
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“If you have a little patience, he can do just about anything you can dream up”
-Jon Gruden on Kizer
I hope we don’t give up on the kid
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I don't know about Kizer but I still think Hogan has something to prove.
This will be his 3rd season, he's going to learn a lot from the little bit of time he was able to get in last year. I expect him to make a huge leap this offseason.
Rooting for him.
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Kizer will get the full advantage of knowing the offensive system, the players, the protections, and a full year of big-boy experience under his belt.
We really can't say that without knowing the offensive coordinator situation.
We really can't say that without knowing the offensive coordinator situation.
I think there's some validity to your statement, but I also have a difficult time believing we're going to reinvent the wheel on offense. For example, our I have to believe our language will remain the same (mostly), our concepts will largely remain intact, the majority of our players, our practice routines, etc. Regardless of our new OC's philosophy, Kizer will still have considerable advantages over any rookie.
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“If you have a little patience, he can do just about anything you can dream up”
-Jon Gruden on Kizer
I hope we don’t give up on the kid
“If you have a little patience, he can do just about anything you can dream up”
-Jon Gruden on Kizer
I hope we don’t give up on the kid
He also praised Johnny Canadian Football.........
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“If you have a little patience, he can do just about anything you can dream up”
-Jon Gruden on Kizer
I hope we don’t give up on the kid
He also praised Johnny Canadian Football.........
He also praised Johnny Canadian Football.........
He's just playing for the farm team across the lake. He'll be brought back up to the majors when he's ready for full time NFL QB.
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He also praised Johnny Canadian Football.........
He's just playing for the farm team across the lake. He'll be brought back up to the majors when he's ready for full time NFL QB.
He's just playing for the farm team across the lake. He'll be brought back up to the majors when he's ready for full time NFL QB.
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“If you have a little patience, he can do just about anything you can dream up”
-Jon Gruden on Kizer
I hope we don’t give up on the kid
He also praised Johnny Canadian Football.........
He also praised Johnny Canadian Football.........
I’m Johnny didn’t have substance abuse issues, he would still be our starter. Kid had so much talent.
Who was the last qb to get us a win on a Sunday?
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Kizer is a good kid. That being said he doesn't have what it takes to be a starting NFL QB. He could be a backup someday (Like Weeden). Let's not forget about Cody Kessler, who was praised by Hue only to be forgotten just like Kizer will be. If we're going to end this process, we need to find someone who produces now.
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Oh no doubt Kizer is not a franchise QB but on this team in 2018 the question is,.........
Are you all so sure Kizer can't be your QB?
95% Sure....
I have said this all along. I didn't want another black Tarkenton, but, he is here and he has not been given a proper opportunity.
His physical skills, really, are superior to any QB entering the 2018 draft. Browns fans are Shmucking idiots. The kid (a second round afterthought) throws a perfect waning moments pass to Coleman (Over rated #1 WR draft pick) and the piece of schidt drops the ball, giving the Steelers a victory, and it is a bad reflection on KIZER?
WTF is wrong with Browns fans? How the fukc can they be so stupid as to be on the wrong side of every fukcing issue and personel decision?
Haden blows..........but he is playing well for someone else - - - - - - Harrison is washed up - - - - But he is making plays for Belichik and going to yet more playoff games - - - - Wenz, and Goff are just not that good - - - - We don't need Julio Jones, he isn't that good - - - - ...................SO we get shcidt like Two Tackle Texas and Corey Coleslaw.
Sorry Tom, if it was just all about physical skills, Jeff George and Jamarcus Russell would be in the HOF. LOL, how did your "washed up" Tom Brady look yesterday against the Jaguars? accuracy, accuracy, accuracy. If you don't have it, the odds approach 100% you're never going to get it in the pros. Quick decisions- Kizer is slow as molasses recognizing where his open receivers are.
I was on the right side of all those decisions. Not every Browns fan is as dumb as you make them out to be. Cutting Haden was a mistake (backed up by future HOFer Joe Thomas), I was on the Wentz wagon, thought Julio Jones was a rare talent. Harrison is about out of gas- would be worthless on the Browns, he'll retire after he collects another ring with the Patriots, along with Kenny Britt who's taking up a roster spot on the bench in New England... Or you think 2 catches for 23 yards with the Pats is worth $10 million?
There's the difference, Britt whined and clubhouse cancered his way out of Cleveland, didn't want to be on a 0-16 loser. That's why guys will do almost anything to get on the Patriots- nice way to get a SB ring without doing much.
PS Remains to be seen about Garrett, he did make the all rookie team playing hurt. Coleman probably will never live up to his draft status.
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He also praised Johnny Canadian Football.........
I’m Johnny didn’t have substance abuse issues, he would still be our starter. Kid had so much talent.
Who was the last qb to get us a win on a Sunday?
Who was the last qb to get us a win on a Sunday?
Irrelevant. It's almost like asking who.was the last QB to be shutout on the scoreboard.
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Oh no doubt Kizer is not a franchise QB but on this team in 2018 the question is,.........
Are you all so sure Kizer can't be your QB?
95% Sure....
I have said this all along. I didn't want another black Tarkenton, but, he is here and he has not been given a proper opportunity.
His physical skills, really, are superior to any QB entering the 2018 draft. Browns fans are Shmucking idiots. The kid (a second round afterthought) throws a perfect waning moments pass to Coleman (Over rated #1 WR draft pick) and the piece of schidt drops the ball, giving the Steelers a victory, and it is a bad reflection on KIZER?
WTF is wrong with Browns fans? How the fukc can they be so stupid as to be on the wrong side of every fukcing issue and personel decision?
Haden blows..........but he is playing well for someone else - - - - - - Harrison is washed up - - - - But he is making plays for Belichik and going to yet more playoff games - - - - Wenz, and Goff are just not that good - - - - We don't need Julio Jones, he isn't that good - - - - ...................SO we get shcidt like Two Tackle Texas and Corey Coleslaw.
Sorry Tom, if it was just all about physical skills, Jeff George and Jamarcus Russell would be in the HOF. LOL, how did your "washed up" Tom Brady look yesterday against the Jaguars? accuracy, accuracy, accuracy. If you don't have it, the odds approach 100% you're never going to get it in the pros. Quick decisions- Kizer is slow as molasses recognizing where his open receivers are.
I was on the right side of all those decisions. Not every Browns fan is as dumb as you make them out to be. Cutting Haden was a mistake (backed up by future HOFer Joe Thomas), I was on the Wentz wagon, thought Julio Jones was a rare talent. Harrison is about out of gas- would be worthless on the Browns, he'll retire after he collects another ring with the Patriots, along with Kenny Britt who's taking up a roster spot on the bench in New England... Or you think 2 catches for 23 yards with the Pats is worth $10 million?
There's the difference, Britt whined and clubhouse cancered his way out of Cleveland, didn't want to be on a 0-16 loser. That's why guys will do almost anything to get on the Patriots- nice way to get a SB ring without doing much.
PS Remains to be seen about Garrett, he did make the all rookie team playing hurt. Coleman probably will never live up to his draft status.
95% Sure....
Sorry Tom, if it was just all about physical skills, Jeff George and Jamarcus Russell would be in the HOF. LOL, how did your "washed up" Tom Brady look yesterday against the Jaguars? accuracy, accuracy, accuracy. If you don't have it, the odds approach 100% you're never going to get it in the pros. Quick decisions- Kizer is slow as molasses recognizing where his open receivers are.
I was on the right side of all those decisions. Not every Browns fan is as dumb as you make them out to be. Cutting Haden was a mistake (backed up by future HOFer Joe Thomas), I was on the Wentz wagon, thought Julio Jones was a rare talent. Harrison is about out of gas- would be worthless on the Browns, he'll retire after he collects another ring with the Patriots, along with Kenny Britt who's taking up a roster spot on the bench in New England... Or you think 2 catches for 23 yards with the Pats is worth $10 million?
There's the difference, Britt whined and clubhouse cancered his way out of Cleveland, didn't want to be on a 0-16 loser. That's why guys will do almost anything to get on the Patriots- nice way to get a SB ring without doing much.
PS Remains to be seen about Garrett, he did make the all rookie team playing hurt. Coleman probably will never live up to his draft status.
Larry,
Brady IS washed up. That Jcksonville chose to go in the tank and give im all day to pass is not an indictment on his state-of-the-union. I never said the guy was not accurate. However, when he is pressured, he sucks worse than Kizer. Atlanta completely changed their treatment of him in last year's SB, and Jacksonville did the same fukcing thing.
NFL head coaches are crippled by statistics and probabilities and blah blah blah. Look man, when you have Brady 3d and 18 and you rush 4? You have to be out of your fukcking mind. THe 76 Steelers or the Bill Cowher era Steelers would BURY this Patriots team. What Brady did to Jacksonville was the same thing Elway did in the Drive game. Marty was a coward on defense, and Bernie was a coward on offense.
The NFL has become a touch football league and head coaches are now, as a group, save for Bill Belichik afraid to go for the juggular. The first half, Brady couldn't do schidt. It took a faggot ref throwing a penalty for the legal hit on Gronk, and another pass interference call on a non-catchable Brady pass 5 yards out of bounds and 10 yards too long, to get the Pats back in the game.
THEN...........Belichik puts 8 in the box, salivates on the run and screen pass............. and Jacksonville obliges him
Dude, you are so pre-programmed by what talking heads tell you that you don't even know what the fukck you are watching. How the hell can a defense not cover a big fatasss liek Gronk running the same patterns play after play? Seriously dude, the guy isn't Lynn Swann. Jacksonville played like Marty/Kosar........... they were cowards.
Yeah, give Brady all day and the benefit of refs who will help him on his bad passes, and he is stellar.
Blitz him and rough him up fo FOUR quarters, and he won't do schidt.
All this bullschidt about his 4th quarter comebacks. He doens't make 4th QTR comebacks because he is great. He makes them because opposing coaches are too fearful of closing out a game, of playing to win, of going after the QB.
I will give Greg Williams that much......he goes after QBs. His secondary plays back in Ethiopia, but he does go after the QB.
Jacksonville lost, Brady didn't do schidt that Deshone Kizer wouldn't have done.
The Cleveland Browns have the hardest hit players in the NFL -
Give it up Ghoolie. Some day you will be right on Brady, but it hasn't happened yet. He understands and uses a very sophisticated offense that is very difficult to blitz on a regular basis. NFL D coordinators get it. Those little fleas he throws to have tree routes based off both receivers and QB reading the blitz and they are very good at reading to get open in the right places on time.
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Sure he could. Most anybody with an amount of talent and give it enough time to become comfortable with an above-average team can be successful. Blake Bortles Case Keenum Nick Foles... Who would have predicted a couple years ago they'd be playing for a title?
WSS
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Sure he could. Most anybody with an amount of talent and give it enough time to become comfortable with an above-average team can be successful. Blake Bortles Case Keenum Nick Foles... Who would have predicted a couple years ago they'd be playing for a title?
WSS
Who would have predicted a couple years ago they'd be playing for a title?
Wasn't that Phoolie?
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If blitzing Brady is the surefire way to make him play bad, then you'd think other teams would've been able to figure it out by now after this many seasons.
Kizer is physically perfect at qb. When you see him in shorts and t-shirt, he's a big strong kid. Rock solid, huge arm, can run when needed, but by all accounts, he needed to sit for a year or more. He didn't, and that's a huge reason he simply could not produce
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If blitzing Brady is the surefire way to make him play bad, then you'd think other teams would've been able to figure it out by now after this many seasons.
Kizer is physically perfect at qb. When you see him in shorts and t-shirt, he's a big strong kid. Rock solid, huge arm, can run when needed, but by all accounts, he needed to sit for a year or more. He didn't, and that's a huge reason he simply could not produce
If blitzing Brady is the surefire way to make him play bad, then you'd think other teams would've been able to figure it out by now after this many seasons.
Kizer is physically perfect at qb. When you see him in shorts and t-shirt, he's a big strong kid. Rock solid, huge arm, can run when needed, but by all accounts, he needed to sit for a year or more. He didn't, and that's a huge reason he simply could not produce
I am not sure sitting for a year would have really helped him. It may have only deferred to the team the knowledge that he was inaccurate, turnover prone, and a poor decision maker.
Now...maybe, with the experience he has had, he can improve.....but I think that is the only thing that could help him...so, no, sitting him would not have been helpful.
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If blitzing Brady is the surefire way to make him play bad, then you'd think other teams would've been able to figure it out by now after this many seasons.
Kizer is physically perfect at qb. When you see him in shorts and t-shirt, he's a big strong kid. Rock solid, huge arm, can run when needed, but by all accounts, he needed to sit for a year or more. He didn't, and that's a huge reason he simply could not produce
I am not sure sitting for a year would have really helped him. It may have only deferred to the team the knowledge that he was inaccurate, turnover prone, and a poor decision maker.
Now...maybe, with the experience he has had, he can improve.....but I think that is the only thing that could help him...so, no, sitting him would not have been helpful.
I am not sure sitting for a year would have really helped him. It may have only deferred to the team the knowledge that he was inaccurate, turnover prone, and a poor decision maker.
Now...maybe, with the experience he has had, he can improve.....but I think that is the only thing that could help him...so, no, sitting him would not have been helpful.
Sitting him behind a veteran qb like mahomes did with Smith would've been a good thing.
But then we dumped all qbs with wins, so.... There went that
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