Are you all so sure Kizer can't be your QB?
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Sure he could. Most anybody with an amount of talent and give it enough time to become comfortable with an above-average team can be successful. Blake Bortles Case Keenum Nick Foles... Who would have predicted a couple years ago they'd be playing for a title?
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Who would have predicted a couple years ago they'd be playing for a title?
Wasn't that Phoolie?
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If blitzing Brady is the surefire way to make him play bad, then you'd think other teams would've been able to figure it out by now after this many seasons.
Kizer is physically perfect at qb. When you see him in shorts and t-shirt, he's a big strong kid. Rock solid, huge arm, can run when needed, but by all accounts, he needed to sit for a year or more. He didn't, and that's a huge reason he simply could not produce
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If blitzing Brady is the surefire way to make him play bad, then you'd think other teams would've been able to figure it out by now after this many seasons.
Kizer is physically perfect at qb. When you see him in shorts and t-shirt, he's a big strong kid. Rock solid, huge arm, can run when needed, but by all accounts, he needed to sit for a year or more. He didn't, and that's a huge reason he simply could not produce
If blitzing Brady is the surefire way to make him play bad, then you'd think other teams would've been able to figure it out by now after this many seasons.
Kizer is physically perfect at qb. When you see him in shorts and t-shirt, he's a big strong kid. Rock solid, huge arm, can run when needed, but by all accounts, he needed to sit for a year or more. He didn't, and that's a huge reason he simply could not produce
I am not sure sitting for a year would have really helped him. It may have only deferred to the team the knowledge that he was inaccurate, turnover prone, and a poor decision maker.
Now...maybe, with the experience he has had, he can improve.....but I think that is the only thing that could help him...so, no, sitting him would not have been helpful.
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If blitzing Brady is the surefire way to make him play bad, then you'd think other teams would've been able to figure it out by now after this many seasons.
Kizer is physically perfect at qb. When you see him in shorts and t-shirt, he's a big strong kid. Rock solid, huge arm, can run when needed, but by all accounts, he needed to sit for a year or more. He didn't, and that's a huge reason he simply could not produce
I am not sure sitting for a year would have really helped him. It may have only deferred to the team the knowledge that he was inaccurate, turnover prone, and a poor decision maker.
Now...maybe, with the experience he has had, he can improve.....but I think that is the only thing that could help him...so, no, sitting him would not have been helpful.
I am not sure sitting for a year would have really helped him. It may have only deferred to the team the knowledge that he was inaccurate, turnover prone, and a poor decision maker.
Now...maybe, with the experience he has had, he can improve.....but I think that is the only thing that could help him...so, no, sitting him would not have been helpful.
Sitting him behind a veteran qb like mahomes did with Smith would've been a good thing.
But then we dumped all qbs with wins, so.... There went that
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I am not sure sitting for a year would have really helped him. It may have only deferred to the team the knowledge that he was inaccurate, turnover prone, and a poor decision maker.
Now...maybe, with the experience he has had, he can improve.....but I think that is the only thing that could help him...so, no, sitting him would not have been helpful.
Sitting him behind a veteran qb like mahomes did with Smith would've been a good thing.
But then we dumped all qbs with wins, so.... There went that
Sitting him behind a veteran qb like mahomes did with Smith would've been a good thing.
Again...that may not necessarily be true. Perhaps the only thing that can make some guys better is real game experience. Not sure if even that will have made Kizer better.
But then we dumped all qbs with wins, so.... There went that
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Sitting would have been better for Kizer...
Seeing if he was "the one" was best for the Browns.
None of the "QBs with wins" we "shed" were our future.
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Sitting would have been better for Kizer...
Seeing if he was "the one" was best for the Browns.
None of the "QBs with wins" we "shed" were our future.
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Sitting would have been better for Kizer...
Seeing if he was "the one" was best for the Browns.
None of the "QBs with wins" we "shed" were our future.
Sitting would have been better for Kizer...
Seeing if he was "the one" was best for the Browns.
None of the "QBs with wins" we "shed" were our future.
Or apparently the ones we kept. Possibly even less so.
WSS
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Or apparently the ones we kept. Possibly even less so.
Which we know because???
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Or apparently the ones we kept. Possibly even less so.
Which we know because???
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I agree... RG3 might have equaled his 2016 win output...
Josh McCown could have equal his 2017 win output. Do you not think we'd have won more games with him as the starter? Even if it was only one or two wed still be in position to draft one of the top quarterbacks and go into the 2018 season with an experienced veteran and a much better rookie prospect. And quite possibly a decent starter with the pick we wasted on Kizer.
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Give it up Ghoolie. Some day you will be right on Brady, but it hasn't happened yet. He understands and uses a very sophisticated offense that is very difficult to blitz on a regular basis. NFL D coordinators get it. Those little fleas he throws to have tree routes based off both receivers and QB reading the blitz and they are very good at reading to get open in the right places on time.
Give it up Ghoolie. Some day you will be right on Brady, but it hasn't happened yet. He understands and uses a very sophisticated offense that is very difficult to blitz on a regular basis. NFL D coordinators get it. Those little fleas he throws to have tree routes based off both receivers and QB reading the blitz and they are very good at reading to get open in the right places on time.
Don't confuse Tom with advanced stuff like route trees, and pre snap reads...
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Give it up Ghoolie. Some day you will be right on Brady, but it hasn't happened yet. He understands and uses a very sophisticated offense that is very difficult to blitz on a regular basis. NFL D coordinators get it. Those little fleas he throws to have tree routes based off both receivers and QB reading the blitz and they are very good at reading to get open in the right places on time.
Don't confuse Tom with advanced stuff like route trees, and pre snap reads...
Don't confuse Tom with advanced stuff like route trees, and pre snap reads...
LOL! I didn't expect him to know anything about defense, but he claims offense wins championships, so..............................................
Maybe he thinks tree routes is what gets into your septic system if you have big trees growing too close to it. I know I had to have one cleaned out and the tree removed once.
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Don't confuse Tom with advanced stuff like route trees, and pre snap reads...
LOL! I didn't expect him to know anything about defense, but he claims offense wins championships, so..............................................
Maybe he thinks tree routes is what gets into your septic system if you have big trees growing too close to it. I know I had to have one cleaned out and the tree removed once.
LOL! I didn't expect him to know anything about defense, but he claims offense wins championships, so..............................................
Maybe he thinks tree routes is what gets into your septic system if you have big trees growing too close to it. I know I had to have one cleaned out and the tree removed once.
Make sure you have a clear and long enough leach line... LOL
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Give it up Ghoolie. Some day you will be right on Brady, but it hasn't happened yet. He understands and uses a very sophisticated offense that is very difficult to blitz on a regular basis. NFL D coordinators get it. Those little fleas he throws to have tree routes based off both receivers and QB reading the blitz and they are very good at reading to get open in the right places on time.
Don't confuse Tom with advanced stuff like route trees, and pre snap reads...
Don't confuse Tom with advanced stuff like route trees, and pre snap reads...
I get the whole thing trolling Etc but keep in mind that whenever anyone gets all high and mighty about their deep knowledge of the game at the end of the day we were 0 and 16 and it would appear that Tommy was right so far.
Best bet would be to go 8 + 8 this coming season then perhaps we can gloat.
WSS
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Don't confuse Tom with advanced stuff like route trees, and pre snap reads...
I get the whole thing trolling Etc but keep in mind that whenever anyone gets all high and mighty about their deep knowledge of the game at the end of the day we were 0 and 16 and it would appear that Tommy was right so far.
Best bet would be to go 8 + 8 this coming season then perhaps we can gloat.
WSS
I get the whole thing trolling Etc but keep in mind that whenever anyone gets all high and mighty about their deep knowledge of the game at the end of the day we were 0 and 16 and it would appear that Tommy was right so far.
Best bet would be to go 8 + 8 this coming season then perhaps we can gloat.
WSS
Steve-I didn't see anyone here predicting even close to 8-8 this past season after the 1-15 and no experienced QB on the roster. Highest I recall might have been 4 wins (Not counting Po). Correct me if I am wrong. Now did we think we would beat 1 win?-sure. And if we had had a real OC instead of Redzone Huey we shoulda had 3-4.
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I get the whole thing trolling Etc but keep in mind that whenever anyone gets all high and mighty about their deep knowledge of the game at the end of the day we were 0 and 16 and it would appear that Tommy was right so far.
Best bet would be to go 8 + 8 this coming season then perhaps we can gloat.
WSS
Steve-I didn't see anyone here predicting even close to 8-8 this past season after the 1-15 and no experienced QB on the roster. Highest I recall might have been 4 wins (Not counting Po). Correct me if I am wrong. Now did we think we would beat 1 win?-sure. And if we had had a real OC instead of Redzone Huey we shoulda had 3-4.
Steve-I didn't see anyone here predicting even close to 8-8 this past season after the 1-15 and no experienced QB on the roster. Highest I recall might have been 4 wins (Not counting Po). Correct me if I am wrong. Now did we think we would beat 1 win?-sure. And if we had had a real OC instead of Redzone Huey we shoulda had 3-4.
I think you misunderstand. People bitched and bitched and bitched about ghooley and his threads about how the coaching staff and the players on the field suck but every year the team has been worse and worse. All I'm saying is it if we are going to shut people like him up we have to go 8 and 8. That's just the way it is.
WSS
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Give it up Ghoolie. Some day you will be right on Brady, but it hasn't happened yet. He understands and uses a very sophisticated offense that is very difficult to blitz on a regular basis. NFL D coordinators get it. Those little fleas he throws to have tree routes based off both receivers and QB reading the blitz and they are very good at reading to get open in the right places on time.
Don't confuse Tom with advanced stuff like route trees, and pre snap reads...
Don't confuse Tom with advanced stuff like route trees, and pre snap reads...
or football.
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Don't confuse Tom with advanced stuff like route trees, and pre snap reads...
LOL! I didn't expect him to know anything about defense, but he claims offense wins championships, so..............................................
Maybe he thinks tree routes is what gets into your septic system if you have big trees growing too close to it. I know I had to have one cleaned out and the tree removed once.
LOL! I didn't expect him to know anything about defense, but he claims offense wins championships, so..............................................
Maybe he thinks tree routes is what gets into your septic system if you have big trees growing too close to it. I know I had to have one cleaned out and the tree removed once.
ME TOO!
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