Are you all so sure Kizer can't be your QB?
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Sitting would have been better for Kizer...
Seeing if he was "the one" was best for the Browns.
None of the "QBs with wins" we "shed" were our future.
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Sitting would have been better for Kizer...
Seeing if he was "the one" was best for the Browns.
None of the "QBs with wins" we "shed" were our future.
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Sitting would have been better for Kizer...
Seeing if he was "the one" was best for the Browns.
None of the "QBs with wins" we "shed" were our future.
Sitting would have been better for Kizer...
Seeing if he was "the one" was best for the Browns.
None of the "QBs with wins" we "shed" were our future.
Or apparently the ones we kept. Possibly even less so.
WSS
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Or apparently the ones we kept. Possibly even less so.
Which we know because???
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Or apparently the ones we kept. Possibly even less so.
Which we know because???
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I agree... RG3 might have equaled his 2016 win output...
Josh McCown could have equal his 2017 win output. Do you not think we'd have won more games with him as the starter? Even if it was only one or two wed still be in position to draft one of the top quarterbacks and go into the 2018 season with an experienced veteran and a much better rookie prospect. And quite possibly a decent starter with the pick we wasted on Kizer.
WSS
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Give it up Ghoolie. Some day you will be right on Brady, but it hasn't happened yet. He understands and uses a very sophisticated offense that is very difficult to blitz on a regular basis. NFL D coordinators get it. Those little fleas he throws to have tree routes based off both receivers and QB reading the blitz and they are very good at reading to get open in the right places on time.
Give it up Ghoolie. Some day you will be right on Brady, but it hasn't happened yet. He understands and uses a very sophisticated offense that is very difficult to blitz on a regular basis. NFL D coordinators get it. Those little fleas he throws to have tree routes based off both receivers and QB reading the blitz and they are very good at reading to get open in the right places on time.
Don't confuse Tom with advanced stuff like route trees, and pre snap reads... Â
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Give it up Ghoolie. Some day you will be right on Brady, but it hasn't happened yet. He understands and uses a very sophisticated offense that is very difficult to blitz on a regular basis. NFL D coordinators get it. Those little fleas he throws to have tree routes based off both receivers and QB reading the blitz and they are very good at reading to get open in the right places on time.
Don't confuse Tom with advanced stuff like route trees, and pre snap reads... Â
Don't confuse Tom with advanced stuff like route trees, and pre snap reads... Â
LOL! I didn't expect him to know anything about defense, but he claims offense wins championships, so..............................................
Maybe he thinks tree routes is what gets into your septic system if you have big trees growing too close to it. I know I had to have one cleaned out and the tree removed once.
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Don't confuse Tom with advanced stuff like route trees, and pre snap reads... Â
LOL! I didn't expect him to know anything about defense, but he claims offense wins championships, so..............................................
Maybe he thinks tree routes is what gets into your septic system if you have big trees growing too close to it. I know I had to have one cleaned out and the tree removed once.
LOL! I didn't expect him to know anything about defense, but he claims offense wins championships, so..............................................
Maybe he thinks tree routes is what gets into your septic system if you have big trees growing too close to it. I know I had to have one cleaned out and the tree removed once.
Make sure you have a clear and long enough leach line... LOL
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Give it up Ghoolie. Some day you will be right on Brady, but it hasn't happened yet. He understands and uses a very sophisticated offense that is very difficult to blitz on a regular basis. NFL D coordinators get it. Those little fleas he throws to have tree routes based off both receivers and QB reading the blitz and they are very good at reading to get open in the right places on time.
Don't confuse Tom with advanced stuff like route trees, and pre snap reads... Â
Don't confuse Tom with advanced stuff like route trees, and pre snap reads... Â
I get the whole thing trolling Etc but keep in mind that whenever anyone gets all high and mighty about their deep knowledge of the game at the end of the day we were 0Â and 16 and it would appear that Tommy was right so far.
Best bet would be to go 8 + 8 this coming season then perhaps we can gloat.
WSS
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Don't confuse Tom with advanced stuff like route trees, and pre snap reads... Â
I get the whole thing trolling Etc but keep in mind that whenever anyone gets all high and mighty about their deep knowledge of the game at the end of the day we were 0Â and 16 and it would appear that Tommy was right so far.
Best bet would be to go 8 + 8 this coming season then perhaps we can gloat.
WSS
I get the whole thing trolling Etc but keep in mind that whenever anyone gets all high and mighty about their deep knowledge of the game at the end of the day we were 0Â and 16 and it would appear that Tommy was right so far.
Best bet would be to go 8 + 8 this coming season then perhaps we can gloat.
WSS
Steve-I didn't see anyone here predicting even close to 8-8 this past season after the 1-15 and no experienced QB on the roster. Highest I recall might have been 4 wins (Not counting Po). Correct me if I am wrong. Now did we think we would beat 1 win?-sure. And if we had had a real OC instead of Redzone Huey we shoulda had 3-4.
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I get the whole thing trolling Etc but keep in mind that whenever anyone gets all high and mighty about their deep knowledge of the game at the end of the day we were 0Â and 16 and it would appear that Tommy was right so far.
Best bet would be to go 8 + 8 this coming season then perhaps we can gloat.
WSS
Steve-I didn't see anyone here predicting even close to 8-8 this past season after the 1-15 and no experienced QB on the roster. Highest I recall might have been 4 wins (Not counting Po). Correct me if I am wrong. Now did we think we would beat 1 win?-sure. And if we had had a real OC instead of Redzone Huey we shoulda had 3-4.
Steve-I didn't see anyone here predicting even close to 8-8 this past season after the 1-15 and no experienced QB on the roster. Highest I recall might have been 4 wins (Not counting Po). Correct me if I am wrong. Now did we think we would beat 1 win?-sure. And if we had had a real OC instead of Redzone Huey we shoulda had 3-4.
I think you misunderstand. People bitched and bitched and bitched about ghooley and his threads about how the coaching staff and the players on the field suck but every year the team has been worse and worse. All I'm saying is it if we are going to shut people like him up we have to go 8 and 8. That's just the way it is.
WSS
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Give it up Ghoolie. Some day you will be right on Brady, but it hasn't happened yet. He understands and uses a very sophisticated offense that is very difficult to blitz on a regular basis. NFL D coordinators get it. Those little fleas he throws to have tree routes based off both receivers and QB reading the blitz and they are very good at reading to get open in the right places on time.
Don't confuse Tom with advanced stuff like route trees, and pre snap reads... Â
Don't confuse Tom with advanced stuff like route trees, and pre snap reads... Â
or football.
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Don't confuse Tom with advanced stuff like route trees, and pre snap reads... Â
LOL! I didn't expect him to know anything about defense, but he claims offense wins championships, so..............................................
Maybe he thinks tree routes is what gets into your septic system if you have big trees growing too close to it. I know I had to have one cleaned out and the tree removed once.
LOL! I didn't expect him to know anything about defense, but he claims offense wins championships, so..............................................
Maybe he thinks tree routes is what gets into your septic system if you have big trees growing too close to it. I know I had to have one cleaned out and the tree removed once.
ME TOO!
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or football.
 Oh god it's almost too easy playing let's pile on the ghool, I almost feel sorry for him......
.......until he starts lambasting everyone on how %÷£€÷×+ stupid we all are about football or life or anything.Â
Oh well I think we all need to lighten up and play nice.Â
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I agree... RG3 might have equaled his 2016 win output...
Josh McCown could have equal his 2017 win output. Do you not think we'd have won more games with him as the starter? Even if it was only one or two wed still be in position to draft one of the top quarterbacks and go into the 2018 season with an experienced veteran and a much better rookie prospect. And quite possibly a decent starter with the pick we wasted on Kizer.
WSS
Is a tree route anything like an option route?
- Josh McCown could have equal his 2017 win output.
- Do you not think we'd have won more games with him as the starter?
#2 first... Depends... Does "we'd" stand for "we could" or "we would". If "could", then yes... anything is possible. If "would", then no.
#1 now... Do you think we'd have won have won 5 games with McC here last year? That is how many he won as a Jet in 2017. How many did McC win for us in 2016? In 2015?
And even had McC stayed with us, we'd still have drafted Kizer.
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or football.
 Oh god it's almost too easy playing let's pile on the ghool, I almost feel sorry for him......
.......until he starts lambasting everyone on how %÷£€÷×+ stupid we all are about football or life or anything.Â
Oh well I think we all need to lighten up and play nice.Â
Oh well I think we all need to lighten up and play nice.Â
That is actually the best way to handle an attention seeker. It's why he is on ignore permanently.
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Is a tree route anything like an option route?
- Josh McCown could have equal his 2017 win output.
- Do you not think we'd have won more games with him as the starter?
#2 first... Depends... Does "we'd" stand for "we could" or "we would". If "could", then yes... anything is possible. If "would", then no.
#1 now... Do you think we'd have won have won 5 games with McC here last year? That is how many he won as a Jet in 2017. How many did McC win for us in 2016? In 2015?
And even had McC stayed with us, we'd still have drafted Kizer.
Is a tree route anything like an option route?
#2 first... Depends... Does "we'd" stand for "we could" or "we would". If "could", then yes... anything is possible. If "would", then no.
 so you don't think the inexperience of Kizerr had anything to do with any of our losses? Seems like the excuse after game after game after game was well he's only blah blah blah
#1 now... Do you think we'd have won have won 5 games with McC here last year? That is how many he won as a Jet in 2017. How many did McC win for us in 2016? In 2015?
is that number more or less than Kizer? RG3 won more games than Kizer. Johnny won more games than Kizer.
And even had McC stayed with us, we'd still have drafted Kizer.
 and he would still suck. I would venture to say we'd have been better off with McCown and Hogan as the backup.
WSS
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Is a tree route anything like an option route?
#2 first... Depends... Does "we'd" stand for "we could" or "we would". If "could", then yes... anything is possible. If "would", then no.
 so you don't think the inexperience of Kizerr had anything to do with any of our losses? Seems like the excuse after game after game after game was well he's only blah blah blah
#1 now... Do you think we'd have won have won 5 games with McC here last year? That is how many he won as a Jet in 2017. How many did McC win for us in 2016? In 2015?
is that number more or less than Kizer? RG3 won more games than Kizer. Johnny won more games than Kizer.
And even had McC stayed with us, we'd still have drafted Kizer.
 and he would still suck. I would venture to say we'd have been better off with McCown and Hogan as the backup.
WSS
Is a tree route anything like an option route?
#2 first... Depends... Does "we'd" stand for "we could" or "we would". If "could", then yes... anything is possible. If "would", then no.
 1. so you don't think the inexperience of Kizerr had anything to do with any of our losses? Seems like the excuse after game after game after game was well he's only blah blah blah
#1 now... Do you think we'd have won have won 5 games with McC here last year? That is how many he won as a Jet in 2017. How many did McC win for us in 2016? In 2015?
2. is that number more or less than Kizer? RG3 won more games than Kizer. Johnny won more games than Kizer.
And even had McC stayed with us, we'd still have drafted Kizer.
3. and he would still suck. I would venture to say we'd have been better off with McCown and Hogan as the backup.
You need to chill, Steve. You are making no sense.
- Whether or not I attributed a given loss to Kizer is not the same question as to whether McC would have "won more".
- Again.. a changed question from your original apparently to avoid answering mine.
- Not the point. The point is that McC on the roster would most likely not have impacted our draft, which is something you implied.
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