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  • The fact is the entity currently legally known as the Cleveland browns plays in the NFL where they have won four titles. 

  • And...the browns still only have four championships that anyone is going to acknowledge. 

    @the-cysko-kid said:

    And...the browns still only have four championships that anyone is going to acknowledge. 

    Its OK by me if you want to continue to show your ignorance.  I mean...tell us truly....are you really in your heart a Steeler fan?   I mean.. you fit in perfectly.  Why not just be honest to your nature and look yourself in the mirror by channelling your inner Stuart Smalley and say:  ".I'm dumb enough, I'm stupid enough and I'm foolish enough to be a Steeler fan. So Doggone it, that's what I'm gonna be".

  • @gunz41 said:

    Prove my credentials with what? I need not prove a thing to you or anyone else.

    You claim you know the NFL rules backword an forward.  And that you have qualifications that evidence that your experience in the game is OH so much more than mine.  So...yes...prove your claim.

    You are just some guy who thinks he knows everything about everything. Ghoolieesque. 

    Not at all. I just know what I see and hear.  So far, I see nor hear nothing from you that evidences your claim of this tremendous knowledge of the game....and its rules.

    I can use my knowledge of being involved in the game for a good amount of time vs that of a fan. Or I can use the knowledge of many who played the game at an elite level for year or the eyes of some guy on a message board.

    See there is a HUGE difference in how people involved in the game watches and sees a game vs that of a fan. Not saying that either way is better, heck it may even be fun to watch a game as strictly a fan, but it is what it is.

    Either way, you can have your opinion and that is perfectly fine. But I am not going to go back and forth over something irrevalent because something thinks something.

    Well...OK, you claim that you have knowledge from being involved in the game. Yet you provide no such information.

    Beyond that, I don't care how much you may have been involved in the game....unless I see something different from another angle...your eyesight is NO better than mine. You can see that play no better than I can. 

    Good day and God bless 

    @the-gipper said:

    Actually in NO instance did I reference the NFL rulebook. But whatever.

    Like I said, don't have to prove a thing to you. I know what I know.

    And you think you know more about everything. You know more than countless ex NFL players, current NFL players, and analysts on the play.

    So you win. You know more than me, them, and everyone in the world. The receiver ran himself out of bounds, did 10 cartwheels, and used his magnetic body to get the DBs hands on him. In fact, it was the best coverage I have ever seen in any football game in my life. And by that I mean the 2 football games I have seen in my life. I know nothing about the game, I am just so in awe of your vast knowledge of every aspect of the game, and every subject that is discussed on here.

    Good day and God bless 

  • You're so edgy gip. You're a real old edgelord with your Trump business. And for what it's worth you're talking to possibly the only other guy on here (possibly, I'm not gonna pull a gipson and pretend I know Sheet I don't) that has made a point to spend my own vacations visiting civil war sites. So, you know, put that in your pipe and smoke it, Gippy two times. 

    @the-cysko-kid said:

    You're so edgy gip. You're a real old edgelord with your Trump business. And for what it's worth you're talking to possibly the only other guy on here (possibly, I'm not gonna pull a gipson and pretend I know Sheet I don't) that has made a point to spend my own vacations visiting civil war sites. So, you know, put that in your pipe and smoke it, Gippy two times. 

    I think there are a few others that do the Civil War thing.   But I am actually more into the Revolutionary War sites..and even 1812 battle sites. .....which are not as spread out.

  • @the-gipper said:

    Actually in NO instance did I reference the NFL rulebook. But whatever.

    Like I said, don't have to prove a thing to you. I know what I know.

    And you think you know more about everything. You know more than countless ex NFL players, current NFL players, and analysts on the play.

    So you win. You know more than me, them, and everyone in the world. The receiver ran himself out of bounds, did 10 cartwheels, and used his magnetic body to get the DBs hands on him. In fact, it was the best coverage I have ever seen in any football game in my life. And by that I mean the 2 football games I have seen in my life. I know nothing about the game, I am just so in awe of your vast knowledge of every aspect of the game, and every subject that is discussed on here.

    Good day and God bless 

    @gunz41 said:

    Actually in NO instance did I reference the NFL rulebook. But whatever.

    Like I said, don't have to prove a thing to you. I know what I know.

    And you think you know more about everything. You know more than countless ex NFL players, current NFL players, and analysts on the play.

    So you win. You know more than me, them, and everyone in the world. The receiver ran himself out of bounds, did 10 cartwheels, and used his magnetic body to get the DBs hands on him. In fact, it was the best coverage I have ever seen in any football game in my life. And by that I mean the 2 football games I have seen in my life. I know nothing about the game, I am just so in awe of your vast knowledge of every aspect of the game, and every subject that is discussed on here.

    Good day and God bless 

    I just know what I see and what I don't see.   And, like I said...it was YOU who gave the perfect description of what happened on that play.  So...credit yourself.

  • To digress a bit.....I still have a few "older" wars sites to visit...in terms of National Park unit.

    For the Civil War...I have not been to the Pea Ridge Battlefield in northwest Arkansas...but I am scheduled to go there later this summer.  

    The other Civil War site is, believe it or not....in New Mexico. Yep, they fought a Civil War battle in New Mexico.   Called the Pecos National Historic site.

    For the War of 1812.... I have not actually been to the site of the Battle of New Orleans.

    There are also a few "Indian Wars" sites I have not been to, like the Nez Perce site in Idaho.....Knife River in N. Dakota..and maybe a couple of other.

  • @the-cysko-kid said:

    And...the browns still only have four championships that anyone is going to acknowledge. 

    Its OK by me if you want to continue to show your ignorance.  I mean...tell us truly....are you really in your heart a Steeler fan?   I mean.. you fit in perfectly.  Why not just be honest to your nature and look yourself in the mirror by channelling your inner Stuart Smalley and say:  ".I'm dumb enough, I'm stupid enough and I'm foolish enough to be a Steeler fan. So Doggone it, that's what I'm gonna be".

    @the-gipper said:

    Its OK by me if you want to continue to show your ignorance.  I mean...tell us truly....are you really in your heart a Steeler fan?   I mean.. you fit in perfectly.  Why not just be honest to your nature and look yourself in the mirror by channelling your inner Stuart Smalley and say:  ".I'm dumb enough, I'm stupid enough and I'm foolish enough to be a Steeler fan. So Doggone it, that's what I'm gonna be".

    Nope. I only root against the Steelers hence my support for the Patriots. They won't be able to claim no one has six super bowls soon. 

  • @the-gipper said:

    Its OK by me if you want to continue to show your ignorance.  I mean...tell us truly....are you really in your heart a Steeler fan?   I mean.. you fit in perfectly.  Why not just be honest to your nature and look yourself in the mirror by channelling your inner Stuart Smalley and say:  ".I'm dumb enough, I'm stupid enough and I'm foolish enough to be a Steeler fan. So Doggone it, that's what I'm gonna be".

    Nope. I only root against the Steelers hence my support for the Patriots. They won't be able to claim no one has six super bowls soon. 

    @the-cysko-kid said:

    Nope. I only root against the Steelers hence my support for the Patriots. They won't be able to claim no one has six super bowls soon. 

    Ah...but, you see, here you go.   Who cares about 6 titles when the Packers hold 13, the Bears 9, the Giants and the Browns 8.   If you get with the historical accuracy program...you would not be so vexed as you are.

  • Like three people give a $hit Gipper. You are failing to realize that pre merger NFL titles mean little and AAFC even less than that. 

    Michigan attempts to claim 11 national championships but everyone knows they have 1/2 of one in 1997 because leather helmet championships that predate the forward pass dont mean anything. It wasn't even the same game 

  • Current browns fans can't hang their hats on aafc titles. The NFL doesn't recognize them. Not to mention my mother wasn't even born when Otto Graham retired. 

  • Like three people give a $hit Gipper. You are failing to realize that pre merger NFL titles mean little and AAFC even less than that. 

    Michigan attempts to claim 11 national championships but everyone knows they have 1/2 of one in 1997 because leather helmet championships that predate the forward pass dont mean anything. It wasn't even the same game 

    @the-cysko-kid said:

    Like three people give a $hit Gipper. You are failing to realize that pre merger NFL titles mean little and AAFC even less than that. 

    Michigan attempts to claim 11 national championships but everyone knows they have 1/2 of one in 1997 because leather helmet championships that predate the forward pass dont mean anything. It wasn't even the same game 

    Trust me...I realize everything.  Again....people  give as much a shite about the Super Bowls I retorted as they do about those titles......Those titles mean just as much as the Super Bowls won in the 70s and 80s...that is...very little. 

    (And the fact is  the NFL game played in the 70s and 80s is actually closer to the way the game was played in the 40s and 50s than it is to today's game.).

    Again...you must have Steeler genes in you with your attitude.  Why it is a source of pride for you to proclaim, essentially: "I am a Steeler fan stoolie" is beyond me. 

  • Current browns fans can't hang their hats on aafc titles. The NFL doesn't recognize them. Not to mention my mother wasn't even born when Otto Graham retired. 

    @the-cysko-kid said:

    Current browns fans can't hang their hats on aafc titles. The NFL doesn't recognize them. Not to mention my mother wasn't even born when Otto Graham retired. 

    All that is is an admission that you are young and ignorant. 

    My mother wasn't born when Abraham Lincoln died.   Does that mean that that history doesn't count...doesn't exist...never happened? 

    When your Dad put his penis in your mother to cause your birth...was he thinking...."my offspring will be born into a world where nothing in the world never will be considered to have happened before his birth. 

    You seem to be an example of why some people should never be allowed to have children.

    And current Browns fans only have 0-16 to hang their hats on.....so, does it matter when, where the Browns may have won...other than for purposes of historical accuracy.  If the Browns would win next year, people 50 years ago would not hang their hats on that old moldy title from 2018 (as if)......but if the Browns win....even 50 years from now...it would still be an accurate historical fact that they won. Plain and simple.

  • You're so edgy gip. You're a real old edgelord with your Trump business. And for what it's worth you're talking to possibly the only other guy on here (possibly, I'm not gonna pull a gipson and pretend I know Sheet I don't) that has made a point to spend my own vacations visiting civil war sites. So, you know, put that in your pipe and smoke it, Gippy two times. 

    @the-cysko-kid said:

    You're so edgy gip. You're a real old edgelord with your Trump business. And for what it's worth you're talking to possibly the only other guy on here (possibly, I'm not gonna pull a gipson and pretend I know Sheet I don't) that has made a point to spend my own vacations visiting civil war sites. So, you know, put that in your pipe and smoke it, Gippy two times. 

    I don't spend all vacations doing that, but I have been to Chicamauga, Lookout Mountain/Chattanooga, Gettysburg, Shiloh, Vicksburg, Keenesaw Mountain, Shenandoah Valley (following some of Stonewall's campaigns). The Bloody Angle at Kennesaw was the most impressive and well worth reading first hand accounts. At Shiloh I visited where my great, great uncle was left on the field for dead with gunshot wounds to both legs and then the first ever battlefield forward surgical hospital where they saved his life without amputation.

  • @the-cysko-kid said:

    Current browns fans can't hang their hats on aafc titles. The NFL doesn't recognize them. Not to mention my mother wasn't even born when Otto Graham retired. 

    All that is is an admission that you are young and ignorant. 

    My mother wasn't born when Abraham Lincoln died.   Does that mean that that history doesn't count...doesn't exist...never happened? 

    When your Dad put his penis in your mother to cause your birth...was he thinking...."my offspring will be born into a world where nothing in the world never will be considered to have happened before his birth. 

    You seem to be an example of why some people should never be allowed to have children.

    And current Browns fans only have 0-16 to hang their hats on.....so, does it matter when, where the Browns may have won...other than for purposes of historical accuracy.  If the Browns would win next year, people 50 years ago would not hang their hats on that old moldy title from 2018 (as if)......but if the Browns win....even 50 years from now...it would still be an accurate historical fact that they won. Plain and simple.

    @the-gipper said:

    All that is is an admission that you are young and ignorant. 

    My mother wasn't born when Abraham Lincoln died.   Does that mean that that history doesn't count...doesn't exist...never happened? 

    When your Dad put his penis in your mother to cause your birth...was he thinking...."my offspring will be born into a world where nothing in the world never will be considered to have happened before his birth. 

    You seem to be an example of why some people should never be allowed to have children.

    And current Browns fans only have 0-16 to hang their hats on.....so, does it matter when, where the Browns may have won...other than for purposes of historical accuracy.  If the Browns would win next year, people 50 years ago would not hang their hats on that old moldy title from 2018 (as if)......but if the Browns win....even 50 years from now...it would still be an accurate historical fact that they won. Plain and simple.

    You're equating Abraham Lincoln...and the browns championships in another league that doesn't exist and isnt recognized by the league we do play in. 

    Cool. Got it. You succeeded, not in convincing me you're right but making me not give a $hit at all about the browns' ancient championships NFL or AAFC. I suppose in the ambulance chaser world that's a win.

  • @the-gipper said:

    All that is is an admission that you are young and ignorant. 

    My mother wasn't born when Abraham Lincoln died.   Does that mean that that history doesn't count...doesn't exist...never happened? 

    When your Dad put his penis in your mother to cause your birth...was he thinking...."my offspring will be born into a world where nothing in the world never will be considered to have happened before his birth. 

    You seem to be an example of why some people should never be allowed to have children.

    And current Browns fans only have 0-16 to hang their hats on.....so, does it matter when, where the Browns may have won...other than for purposes of historical accuracy.  If the Browns would win next year, people 50 years ago would not hang their hats on that old moldy title from 2018 (as if)......but if the Browns win....even 50 years from now...it would still be an accurate historical fact that they won. Plain and simple.

    You're equating Abraham Lincoln...and the browns championships in another league that doesn't exist and isnt recognized by the league we do play in. 

    Cool. Got it. You succeeded, not in convincing me you're right but making me not give a $hit at all about the browns' ancient championships NFL or AAFC. I suppose in the ambulance chaser world that's a win.

    @the-cysko-kid said:

    You're equating Abraham Lincoln...and the browns championships in another league that doesn't exist and isnt recognized by the league we do play in. 

    Cool. Got it. You succeeded, not in convincing me you're right but making me not give a $hit at all about the browns' ancient championships NFL or AAFC. I suppose in the ambulance chaser world that's a win.

    I am equating accurate history with accurate history.   If you don't like your history accurate...I don't know....go join the Society for the Perpetuation of the Confederacy....or the Perpetuation of the Third Reich.  

    And FYI....no one cares what you do or do not give a $hit about.  Your caring or not won't change history.

  • For all you ladies crying about the patriots beating the Jaguars and how terribly unfair it all was...

    Knocking out one of the team's best players is positively Steeler like. 

    http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/news/patriots-rob-gronkowski-barry-church-hit-concussion-fine-injury-patriots-eagles-jaguars/1clxc34r8y9k5zy8qapbdmsby

    WSS

  • For all you ladies crying about the patriots beating the Jaguars and how terribly unfair it all was...

    Knocking out one of the team's best players is positively Steeler like. 

    http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/news/patriots-rob-gronkowski-barry-church-hit-concussion-fine-injury-patriots-eagles-jaguars/1clxc34r8y9k5zy8qapbdmsby

    WSS

    @westside-steve said:

    For all you ladies crying about the patriots beating the Jaguars and how terribly unfair it all was...

    Knocking out one of the team's best players is positively Steeler like. 

    http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/news/patriots-rob-gronkowski-barry-church-hit-concussion-fine-injury-patriots-eagles-jaguars/1clxc34r8y9k5zy8qapbdmsby

    WSS

    Go eaglesGo eagles

  • @westside-steve said:

    For all you ladies crying about the patriots beating the Jaguars and how terribly unfair it all was...

    Knocking out one of the team's best players is positively Steeler like. 

    http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/news/patriots-rob-gronkowski-barry-church-hit-concussion-fine-injury-patriots-eagles-jaguars/1clxc34r8y9k5zy8qapbdmsby

    WSS

    Go eaglesGo eagles

    @the-gipper said:

    Go eaglesGo eagles

    GO EAGLES! .......well +4 1/2 and over 48, just sayin'.

  • @westside-steve said:

    For all you ladies crying about the patriots beating the Jaguars and how terribly unfair it all was...

    Knocking out one of the team's best players is positively Steeler like. 

    http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/news/patriots-rob-gronkowski-barry-church-hit-concussion-fine-injury-patriots-eagles-jaguars/1clxc34r8y9k5zy8qapbdmsby

    WSS

    Go eaglesGo eagles

    @the-gipper said:

    Go eaglesGo eagles

    I only kind of semi hate the Eagles. The one mitigating factor is for all the people who were whining that we didn't take Carson Wentz now see that had good team could be successful with a bum at quarterback.

    But again any opportunity for the Patriots to leave the Squealers Legacy in the dirt is good with me.

    WSS

  • @the-gipper said:

    Go eaglesGo eagles

    I only kind of semi hate the Eagles. The one mitigating factor is for all the people who were whining that we didn't take Carson Wentz now see that had good team could be successful with a bum at quarterback.

    But again any opportunity for the Patriots to leave the Squealers Legacy in the dirt is good with me.

    WSS

    @westside-steve said:

    I only kind of semi hate the Eagles. The one mitigating factor is for all the people who were whining that we didn't take Carson Wentz now see that had good team could be successful with a bum at quarterback.

    But again any opportunity for the Patriots to leave the Squealers Legacy in the dirt is good with me.

    WSS

    True, and the Patriots have already widened the SB appearances up to 10 vs 8, but the total rings would be nice......even though I prefer the Eagles.