Cousins would "seriously consider" the Browns
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Smith is exactly the same QB we keep signing. An aging system guy looking for one last pay day. I mean what' the diffrence between Alex Smith and Jake Delhomme? How about Jeff Garcia? Trent Dilfer? Why waste time with these bottom barrel guys when you can open up our loaded check book and get a guy who throws for 4k each year. It's really impressive when you realize he had no running game and a lack luster defense.
Money shouldn't be an issue. Just because he isn't a top 5 QB doesn't mean he won't be worth every penny of his contract. Is Matt Stafford as good as Tom Brady? Andrew luck? Of course not but they are worth the money because of how important they are to their team. That's the price you pay for a competent QB
Regarding Smith being exactly the same QB we keep signing.
- it won't be because he's looking for a last payday either- FYI, he's not a free agent, we'll have to give KC something to get his services. You can bet Dorsey knows damn well what Alex is capable of- or why the chatter several teams will be interested in Smith?
I'd suggest you look up Delhomme, Garcia, and Dilfer's stats on Pro Football reference before you start comparing Smith to that motley crew. Delhomme was clearly washed up when we signed him. Dilfer was a career mediocre QB with a negative TD\INT ratio- he can thank Ray Lewis & Co. for that Super Bowl ring.
& cut the crap that Smith is a bottom barrel "system" guy. He's better in almost every respect than Cousins and has been for years. Or you so far up Cousins a$$ you can't see daylight? Inspect the sortable link and debate that if you will.
Here's my equation for you: 2-3 years of Smith + 12 years of Darnond\Mayfield\Rosen >>> 5 years of Cousins. More cap friendly too. For gosh sakes, do it right for once, get a competent bridge starter, and let the rookie sit and learn for a year. BTW, Stafford and Luck haven't sniffed the SB yet. That's my big fear- we'll sign Cousins and be kicking ourselves in the a$$ we passed yet again on the next Carson Wentz. I've already said it once- Cousins- or even Tom Brady himself isn't going to instantly turn the Browns into a contender in 2018, so what's your rush?
PS- I don't hate Cousins, and I'll support him should the Browns decide to go that route. BUT MHO is he's not the best & certainly not the only option we have this off season.
Hey! Cousins did his part towards that 4-12 record! Kicked in 1-4 that season... and 0-3 the prior one.
As you said in a prior post, W/L record is the weakest of all QB arguments. Yet you argue for Cousins at .500. Make up your mind.
I'd suggest you look up Delhomme, Garcia, and Dilfer's stats on Pro Football reference before you start comparing Smith to that motley crew. Delhomme was clearly washed up when we signed him.
Bingo... the word I used for Delhomme was "shot."
And Garcia was a true system guy while Dilfer was a game-manager that caught lightening once and came to a Browns team that needed him to ball out.
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Like i said as a starter he hasn't had a bad season. He came off of the bench on a bad team and couldn't get them out of the rut. As a starter he turned the franchise around. I put his win/loss record at the end because the other stats are far more important.
I've watched my fair share of alex Smith since he came into the league and he is just like those players. He sucked until he he got into the right system and he became mediocre at best
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Like i said as a starter he hasn't had a bad season. He came off of the bench on a bad team and couldn't get them out of the rut. As a starter he turned the franchise around. I put his win/loss record at the end because the other stats are far more important.
I've watched my fair share of alex Smith since he came into the league and he is just like those players. He sucked until he he got into the right system and he became mediocre at best
Like i said as a starter he hasn't had a bad season. He came off of the bench on a bad team and couldn't get them out of the rut. As a starter he turned the franchise around. I put his win/loss record at the end because the other stats are far more important.
I've watched my fair share of alex Smith since he came into the league and he is just like those players. He sucked until he he got into the right system and he became mediocre at best
While Alex has excelled in KC, his last four seasons in SF he hardly "sucked".
But point taken... if I acquire Alex, I bring a lot of KC's offensive principles with him.
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Smith is exactly the same QB we keep signing. An aging system guy looking for one last pay day. I mean what' the diffrence between Alex Smith and Jake Delhomme? How about Jeff Garcia? Trent Dilfer? Why waste time with these bottom barrel guys when you can open up our loaded check book and get a guy who throws for 4k each year. It's really impressive when you realize he had no running game and a lack luster defense.
Money shouldn't be an issue. Just because he isn't a top 5 QB doesn't mean he won't be worth every penny of his contract. Is Matt Stafford as good as Tom Brady? Andrew luck? Of course not but they are worth the money because of how important they are to their team. That's the price you pay for a competent QB
Regarding Smith being exactly the same QB we keep signing.
- it won't be because he's looking for a last payday either- FYI, he's not a free agent, we'll have to give KC something to get his services. You can bet Dorsey knows damn well what Alex is capable of- or why the chatter several teams will be interested in Smith?
I'd suggest you look up Delhomme, Garcia, and Dilfer's stats on Pro Football reference before you start comparing Smith to that motley crew. Delhomme was clearly washed up when we signed him. Dilfer was a career mediocre QB with a negative TD\INT ratio- he can thank Ray Lewis & Co. for that Super Bowl ring.
& cut the crap that Smith is a bottom barrel "system" guy. He's better in almost every respect than Cousins and has been for years. Or you so far up Cousins a$$ you can't see daylight? Inspect the sortable link and debate that if you will.
Here's my equation for you: 2-3 years of Smith + 12 years of Darnond\Mayfield\Rosen >>> 5 years of Cousins. More cap friendly too. For gosh sakes, do it right for once, get a competent bridge starter, and let the rookie sit and learn for a year. BTW, Stafford and Luck haven't sniffed the SB yet. That's my big fear- we'll sign Cousins and be kicking ourselves in the a$$ we passed yet again on the next Carson Wentz. I've already said it once- Cousins- or even Tom Brady himself isn't going to instantly turn the Browns into a contender in 2018, so what's your rush?
PS- I don't hate Cousins, and I'll support him should the Browns decide to go that route. BUT MHO is he's not the best & certainly not the only option we have this off season.
Regarding Smith being exactly the same QB we keep signing.
- it won't be because he's looking for a last payday either- FYI, he's not a free agent, we'll have to give KC something to get his services. You can bet Dorsey knows damn well what Alex is capable of- or why the chatter several teams will be interested in Smith?
I'd suggest you look up Delhomme, Garcia, and Dilfer's stats on Pro Football reference before you start comparing Smith to that motley crew. Delhomme was clearly washed up when we signed him. Dilfer was a career mediocre QB with a negative TD\INT ratio- he can thank Ray Lewis & Co. for that Super Bowl ring.
& cut the crap that Smith is a bottom barrel "system" guy. He's better in almost every respect than Cousins and has been for years. Or you so far up Cousins a$$ you can't see daylight? Inspect the sortable link and debate that if you will.
Here's my equation for you: 2-3 years of Smith + 12 years of Darnond\Mayfield\Rosen >>> 5 years of Cousins. More cap friendly too. For gosh sakes, do it right for once, get a competent bridge starter, and let the rookie sit and learn for a year. BTW, Stafford and Luck haven't sniffed the SB yet. That's my big fear- we'll sign Cousins and be kicking ourselves in the a$$ we passed yet again on the next Carson Wentz. I've already said it once- Cousins- or even Tom Brady himself isn't going to instantly turn the Browns into a contender in 2018, so what's your rush?
PS- I don't hate Cousins, and I'll support him should the Browns decide to go that route. BUT MHO is he's not the best & certainly not the only option we have this off season.
Agree Larry. Bottom line is, and so well stated by you, that we do not dislike Cousins, but we feel there are better options. Of course, I have highlighted what I felt were your best statements. Kudos to you for very well stated points.
Mike
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Like i said as a starter he hasn't had a bad season. He came off of the bench on a bad team and couldn't get them out of the rut. As a starter he turned the franchise around. I put his win/loss record at the end because the other stats are far more important.
I've watched my fair share of alex Smith since he came into the league and he is just like those players. He sucked until he he got into the right system and he became mediocre at best
I've watched my fair share of alex Smith since he came into the league and he is just like those players. He sucked until he he got into the right system and he became mediocre at best
2011 SF 61.3 comp%, 3144 yards, 17 td, 5 int, 90.7 rating
2012 SF 70.2 comp%, 1737 yards, 13 td, 5 int, 104.1 rating
2013 KC 60.6 comp%, 3313 yards, 23 td, 7 int, 89.1 rating
2014 KC 65.3 comp%, 3265 yards, 18 td, 6 int, 93.4 rating
2015 KC 65.3 comp%, 3486 yards, 20 td, 7 int, 95.4 rating
2016 KC 67.1 comp%, 3502 yards, 15 td, 8 int, 91.2 rating
2017 KC 67.5 comp%, 4042 yards, 26 td, 5 int, 104.7 rating
Sign me up for some of this "mediocrity".
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I expect that he'll seriously consider them and then go somewhere else.
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Signing Cousins and drafting Barkley and Fitzpatrick would be excellent moves.
Use those 3 second rounders on a WR, LB, and S
Spend some money in FA on Trumaine Johnson.
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I've watched my fair share of alex Smith since he came into the league and he is just like those players. He sucked until he he got into the right system and he became mediocre at best
2011 SF 61.3 comp%, 3144 yards, 17 td, 5 int, 90.7 rating
2012 SF 70.2 comp%, 1737 yards, 13 td, 5 int, 104.1 rating
2013 KC 60.6 comp%, 3313 yards, 23 td, 7 int, 89.1 rating
2014 KC 65.3 comp%, 3265 yards, 18 td, 6 int, 93.4 rating
2015 KC 65.3 comp%, 3486 yards, 20 td, 7 int, 95.4 rating
2016 KC 67.1 comp%, 3502 yards, 15 td, 8 int, 91.2 rating
2017 KC 67.5 comp%, 4042 yards, 26 td, 5 int, 104.7 rating
Sign me up for some of this "mediocrity".
Sign me up for some of this "mediocrity".
... or even the suckage.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Regarding Smith being exactly the same QB we keep signing.
- it won't be because he's looking for a last payday either- FYI, he's not a free agent, we'll have to give KC something to get his services. You can bet Dorsey knows damn well what Alex is capable of- or why the chatter several teams will be interested in Smith?
I'd suggest you look up Delhomme, Garcia, and Dilfer's stats on Pro Football reference before you start comparing Smith to that motley crew. Delhomme was clearly washed up when we signed him. Dilfer was a career mediocre QB with a negative TD\INT ratio- he can thank Ray Lewis & Co. for that Super Bowl ring.
& cut the crap that Smith is a bottom barrel "system" guy. He's better in almost every respect than Cousins and has been for years. Or you so far up Cousins a$$ you can't see daylight? Inspect the sortable link and debate that if you will.
Here's my equation for you: 2-3 years of Smith + 12 years of Darnond\Mayfield\Rosen >>> 5 years of Cousins. More cap friendly too. For gosh sakes, do it right for once, get a competent bridge starter, and let the rookie sit and learn for a year. BTW, Stafford and Luck haven't sniffed the SB yet. That's my big fear- we'll sign Cousins and be kicking ourselves in the a$$ we passed yet again on the next Carson Wentz. I've already said it once- Cousins- or even Tom Brady himself isn't going to instantly turn the Browns into a contender in 2018, so what's your rush?
PS- I don't hate Cousins, and I'll support him should the Browns decide to go that route. BUT MHO is he's not the best & certainly not the only option we have this off season.
Agree Larry. Bottom line is, and so well stated by you, that we do not dislike Cousins, but we feel there are better options. Of course, I have highlighted what I felt were your best statements. Kudos to you for very well stated points.
Mike
Agree Larry. Bottom line is, and so well stated by you, that we do not dislike Cousins, but we feel there are better options. Of course, I have highlighted what I felt were your best statements. Kudos to you for very well stated points.
Mike
I was listening to a Jets fan caller on Sirius NFL talking about Cousins. He was hoping they didn't sign him. The hosts were shocked at his lack of appreciation for Cousins. Right in line with my comments they mentioned bird in hand vs draft pick and 4200+ yards per year 30 TD's and a 2/1 or better TD / INT ratio on a mediocre team at best. I respect everyone's opinion but mine is the Browns need to pay as necessary to make this happen. With him , our existing talent ( mostly Gordon and Duke) the draft and free agency we are instant contenders for a championship. We need to focus enough on offense to end up with something like Cousins, Gordon, Jarvis Landry , Saquon Barkley , Duke and Njoku. Haley would pop a boner on that for sure.
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Agree Larry. Bottom line is, and so well stated by you, that we do not dislike Cousins, but we feel there are better options. Of course, I have highlighted what I felt were your best statements. Kudos to you for very well stated points.
Mike
I was listening to a Jets fan caller on Sirius NFL talking about Cousins. He was hoping they didn't sign him. The hosts were shocked at his lack of appreciation for Cousins. Right in line with my comments they mentioned bird in hand vs draft pick and 4200+ yards per year 30 TD's and a 2/1 or better TD / INT ratio on a mediocre team at best. I respect everyone's opinion but mine is the Browns need to pay as necessary to make this happen. With him , our existing talent ( mostly Gordon and Duke) the draft and free agency we are instant contenders for a championship. We need to focus enough on offense to end up with something like Cousins, Gordon, Jarvis Landry , Saquon Barkley , Duke and Njoku. Haley would pop a boner on that for sure.
I was listening to a Jets fan caller on Sirius NFL talking about Cousins. He was hoping they didn't sign him. The hosts were shocked at his lack of appreciation for Cousins. Right in line with my comments they mentioned bird in hand vs draft pick and 4200+ yards per year 30 TD's and a 2/1 or better TD / INT ratio on a mediocre team at best. I respect everyone's opinion but mine is the Browns need to pay as necessary to make this happen. With him , our existing talent ( mostly Gordon and Duke) the draft and free agency we are instant contenders for a championship. We need to focus enough on offense to end up with something like Cousins, Gordon, Jarvis Landry , Saquon Barkley , Duke and Njoku. Haley would pop a boner on that for sure.
This is where Ghoolie would blast you for a comment like that- I won't sink to his level of profane name calling. It's pie in the sky dreaming that everything is going to work out perfectly. Really, the Browns can go from 0-16 to Super Bowl level talent in one off season? Please- you're talking crazy talk. It took the Lions three years- and that was with Matt Stafford (er, same level of talent as Cousins) and Megatron (at least as good or better than Gordon) to go from 0-16 to even have a 10-6 record. You have to learn how to walk before you can run.
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Yeah.... "instant" is a tad optimistic by like about three years... even if we assume the Offense does not substantially change under our new OC.
Still have depth issues everywhere... open questions at LT, FS... coverage issues at LB.
Then there's the whole learning how to win thing... in both the season and then the playoffs.
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I was listening to a Jets fan caller on Sirius NFL talking about Cousins. He was hoping they didn't sign him. The hosts were shocked at his lack of appreciation for Cousins. Right in line with my comments they mentioned bird in hand vs draft pick and 4200+ yards per year 30 TD's and a 2/1 or better TD / INT ratio on a mediocre team at best. I respect everyone's opinion but mine is the Browns need to pay as necessary to make this happen. With him , our existing talent ( mostly Gordon and Duke) the draft and free agency we are instant contenders for a championship. We need to focus enough on offense to end up with something like Cousins, Gordon, Jarvis Landry , Saquon Barkley , Duke and Njoku. Haley would pop a boner on that for sure.
This is where Ghoolie would blast you for a comment like that- I won't sink to his level of profane name calling. It's pie in the sky dreaming that everything is going to work out perfectly. Really, the Browns can go from 0-16 to Super Bowl level talent in one off season? Please- you're talking crazy talk. It took the Lions three years- and that was with Matt Stafford (er, same level of talent as Cousins) and Megatron (at least as good or better than Gordon) to go from 0-16 to even have a 10-6 record. You have to learn how to walk before you can run.
This is where Ghoolie would blast you for a comment like that- I won't sink to his level of profane name calling. It's pie in the sky dreaming that everything is going to work out perfectly. Really, the Browns can go from 0-16 to Super Bowl level talent in one off season? Please- you're talking crazy talk. It took the Lions three years- and that was with Matt Stafford (er, same level of talent as Cousins) and Megatron (at least as good or better than Gordon) to go from 0-16 to even have a 10-6 record. You have to learn how to walk before you can run.
I'll temper my enthusiasm by qualifying it as compete for the division championship. That I stand behind 100%
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Signing Cousins then drafting #1 Bradley Chubb and #4 Minkah Fitzpatrick with a RB+CB+LB+WR in the 2nd/3rd would be the perfect scenario...
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I respect your guys' opinions, but the Cousins situation just doesn't happen... A franchise QB becoming a FA (and it still might NOT happen). We have to at least try. There are 1-2 season turnarounds all over the NFL, and nothing would help that happen more than a vet QB with the talent Kirk has.
I have a hard time seeing the Smith + Draft Pick being a better choice, because Draft picks are such a gamble AND they take 2-3+ years just to develop...
In pro sports, you just CAN'T afford to pass up a great opportunity because you might not see it again...
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Signing Cousins then drafting #1 Bradley Chubb and #4 Minkah Fitzpatrick with a RB+CB+LB+WR in the 2nd/3rd would be the perfect scenario...
Signing Cousins then drafting #1 Bradley Chubb and #4 Minkah Fitzpatrick with a RB+CB+LB+WR in the 2nd/3rd would be the perfect scenario...
You can have one of those guys but the other is Barkley. Offensive weapons baby
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Signing Cousins then drafting #1 Bradley Chubb and #4 Minkah Fitzpatrick with a RB+CB+LB+WR in the 2nd/3rd would be the perfect scenario...
You can have one of those guys but the other is Barkley. Offensive weapons baby
You can have one of those guys but the other is Barkley. Offensive weapons baby
I like Ronald Jones, Kerryon Johnson, Guice, N.Chubb, Michel, Penny ect in the 2nd. Seems easier to predict elite talent at RB later on than any other position.
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I like Ronald Jones, Kerryon Johnson, Guice, N.Chubb, Michel, Penny ect in the 2nd. Seems easier to predict elite talent at RB later on than any other position.
Not sure about ease to predict, but the depth of very good talent at RB is much greater this year than it is at Edge.
I respect your guys' opinions, but the Cousins situation just doesn't happen... A franchise QB becoming a FA (and it still might NOT happen). We have to at least try. There are 1-2 season turnarounds all over the NFL, and nothing would help that happen more than a vet QB with the talent Kirk has.
I have a hard time seeing the Smith + Draft Pick being a better choice, because Draft picks are such a gamble AND they take 2-3+ years just to develop...
In pro sports, you just CAN'T afford to pass up a great opportunity because you might not see it again...
Smith + Top QB in Draft >> Cousins... but vs. Cousins + Top QB in Draft??? That's essentially Smith vs. Cousins? Another topic for another day...
With either vet QB you both... because if Cousins is all that and a bag of nuts then we are not seeing a top pick again for 5+ years. Just don't include a "no trade" clause in your offer to Cousins.
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For 35 or 40 million bucks he'd probably seriously consider the Montreal Alouettes.
WSS
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I respect your guys' opinions, but the Cousins situation just doesn't happen... A franchise QB becoming a FA (and it still might NOT happen). We have to at least try. There are 1-2 season turnarounds all over the NFL, and nothing would help that happen more than a vet QB with the talent Kirk has.
I have a hard time seeing the Smith + Draft Pick being a better choice, because Draft picks are such a gamble AND they take 2-3+ years just to develop...
In pro sports, you just CAN'T afford to pass up a great opportunity because you might not see it again...
I respect your guys' opinions, but the Cousins situation just doesn't happen... A franchise QB becoming a FA (and it still might NOT happen). We have to at least try. There are 1-2 season turnarounds all over the NFL, and nothing would help that happen more than a vet QB with the talent Kirk has.
I have a hard time seeing the Smith + Draft Pick being a better choice, because Draft picks are such a gamble AND they take 2-3+ years just to develop...
In pro sports, you just CAN'T afford to pass up a great opportunity because you might not see it again...
I'll echo Tour here... the Browns having the #1 overall two years in a row hasn't happened since '99 and '00. It's the bird in the hand argument. I don't see Cousins as significantly better than Smith. He'll just have a longer shelf life by a few years. By all accounts- and using my own eyes, this is a loaded QB class. The time to swing for the fences is now. Assuming the usual progression of things, we hopefully won't be in the pole position in the draft for a long time. We just saw what drafting a QB project in the second round looks like.
MHO is this isn't the year "to play it safe". Take the top 2 prospects @ #1 & #4 (one better be a qb) and don't look back.
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I respect your guys' opinions, but the Cousins situation just doesn't happen... A franchise QB becoming a FA (and it still might NOT happen). We have to at least try. There are 1-2 season turnarounds all over the NFL, and nothing would help that happen more than a vet QB with the talent Kirk has.
I have a hard time seeing the Smith + Draft Pick being a better choice, because Draft picks are such a gamble AND they take 2-3+ years just to develop...
In pro sports, you just CAN'T afford to pass up a great opportunity because you might not see it again...
I'll echo Tour here... the Browns having the #1 overall two years in a row hasn't happened since '99 and '00. It's the bird in the hand argument. I don't see Cousins as significantly better than Smith. He'll just have a longer shelf life by a few years. By all accounts- and using my own eyes, this is a loaded QB class. The time to swing for the fences is now. Assuming the usual progression of things, we hopefully won't be in the pole position in the draft for a long time. We just saw what drafting a QB project in the second round looks like.
MHO is this isn't the year "to play it safe". Take the top 2 prospects @ #1 & #4 (one better be a qb) and don't look back.
I'll echo Tour here... the Browns having the #1 overall two years in a row hasn't happened since '99 and '00. It's the bird in the hand argument. I don't see Cousins as significantly better than Smith. He'll just have a longer shelf life by a few years. By all accounts- and using my own eyes, this is a loaded QB class. The time to swing for the fences is now. Assuming the usual progression of things, we hopefully won't be in the pole position in the draft for a long time. We just saw what drafting a QB project in the second round looks like.
MHO is this isn't the year "to play it safe". Take the top 2 prospects @ #1 & #4 (one better be a qb) and don't look back.
Agree... biggest difference in FA QBs that I see is the $$$ commitment required to land Cousins.
And, yes, I know "cap space"... but if folks out there don't believe we can rush down the path to a cap crunch by overpaying Cousins and other positional FAs just because we can today, then I don't know what to tell them.
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