Cousins would "seriously consider" the Browns
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With regards to Cousins and why Browns should try and sign him and his "great" numbers, someone brought up he had no run game and a bad defense.
That what INFLATE his numbers. Bad defense=Having to outscore, which means more passes. No running game means throwing more.
In different threads on different players both NFL and draft prospects there sure are some mighty strange arguments for people in favor of those players. Very counterintuitive
Receivers were a problem this year, too.
Pryor didn't work (I don't remember if it was due to injuries), he lost Jackson, Reed played injured and was a shadow of himself... The receiver with most yards? Crowder with around 700.
I'd be more than happy to have Cousins in my team. I like the guy, and I think he puts good numbers, albeit not being amazing. With the amount of teams with a debatable QB there are, don't having to worry about that position is huge IMO.
The problem is the money. I believe that Cousins has always had a "second draft choice/backup QB" tag in Washington, as he was drafted after RGIII and was his backup. When he played well and asked for the money, they were reluctant. Is like Keenum this year: he played great, but I bet the Vikings aren't going to be the ones giving him the best offer.
That made Redskins tag him TWICE, and I bet that his next contract is going to be bigger than what it would have been if they finally had come to terms prior to all this tagging madness. And signing a guy with a market value much higher than his field value is something I don't want the Browns doing.
And signing a guy with a market value much higher than his field value is something I don't want the Browns doing.
If that's true, you'll want the Browns to pattern themselves after the Packers and Steelers, who build through the draft and supplement their rosters (generally) with free agents who don't demand huge contracts. As much as I hate the Steelers, they have a plan that works.
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With regards to Cousins and why Browns should try and sign him and his "great" numbers, someone brought up he had no run game and a bad defense.
That what INFLATE his numbers. Bad defense=Having to outscore, which means more passes. No running game means throwing more.
In different threads on different players both NFL and draft prospects there sure are some mighty strange arguments for people in favor of those players. Very counterintuitive
Receivers were a problem this year, too.
Pryor didn't work (I don't remember if it was due to injuries), he lost Jackson, Reed played injured and was a shadow of himself... The receiver with most yards? Crowder with around 700.
I'd be more than happy to have Cousins in my team. I like the guy, and I think he puts good numbers, albeit not being amazing. With the amount of teams with a debatable QB there are, don't having to worry about that position is huge IMO.
The problem is the money. I believe that Cousins has always had a "second draft choice/backup QB" tag in Washington, as he was drafted after RGIII and was his backup. When he played well and asked for the money, they were reluctant. Is like Keenum this year: he played great, but I bet the Vikings aren't going to be the ones giving him the best offer.
That made Redskins tag him TWICE, and I bet that his next contract is going to be bigger than what it would have been if they finally had come to terms prior to all this tagging madness. And signing a guy with a market value much higher than his field value is something I don't want the Browns doing.
Receivers were a problem this year, too.
Pryor didn't work (I don't remember if it was due to injuries), he lost Jackson, Reed played injured and was a shadow of himself... The receiver with most yards? Crowder with around 700.
I'd be more than happy to have Cousins in my team. I like the guy, and I think he puts good numbers, albeit not being amazing. With the amount of teams with a debatable QB there are, don't having to worry about that position is huge IMO.
The problem is the money. I believe that Cousins has always had a "second draft choice/backup QB" tag in Washington, as he was drafted after RGIII and was his backup. When he played well and asked for the money, they were reluctant. Is like Keenum this year: he played great, but I bet the Vikings aren't going to be the ones giving him the best offer.
That made Redskins tag him TWICE, and I bet that his next contract is going to be bigger than what it would have been if they finally had come to terms prior to all this tagging madness. And signing a guy with a market value much higher than his field value is something I don't want the Browns doing.
Interesting - some good points Nero! Losing DeSean Jackson might have been addition by subtraction; because he came to Tampa and didn't help their young QB nearly as much as the locals here thought he would. The radio dialogue I heard was Winston felt pressured to get the ball to him and in doing so - he also had Evans in his ear about keeping up his targets.
When you mentioned the money - BINGO! I still get the impression Washington wants to upgrade their QB position by their reluctance to commit long term. If Receivers were a problem in Washington, we had a crew that couldn't make that roster except for our well rested Josh Gordon. In 2016, Pryor was the WR that went over 1000 yards here that Cousins couldn't generate any magic with (even before injuries?)
As much as Alex Smith is my fave, we NEVER get this kind of QB here this side of 1999. We just don't. Maybe Dorsey Doe can change that with making our WR Corps a much better recruiting attraction. That shouldn't be nearly as impossible as previous regimes have made it.
Do we consider losing a 2nd round pick for AJ McCarron? We may lose the pick but keep the cap space Cousins would drain. Too bad Sam Bradford can't stay healthy or he'd be worth exploring... As nice as the Keenum and Foles stories became - what happens when they don't have the HUGE margin of error their defenses gave them this year? Keenum, looked like Cinderella after midnight last week. After going up 7-0, he threw a TD to Philly's defense (which took a lot of pressure off Foles early at home). And when Minnesota's defense was getting turnovers on the opponent's side of the 50 or getting off the field - Keenum stayed overwhelmed. Long story short, we don't have this kind of defense Minnesota or Philly had perpetuating a nice margin of error for their QB. BUT if our front 7 stays a little healthier and we upgrade our secondary - we'll see better giddy-up and get after it overall.
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
And signing a guy with a market value much higher than his field value is something I don't want the Browns doing.
If that's true, you'll want the Browns to pattern themselves after the Packers and Steelers, who build through the draft and supplement their rosters (generally) with free agents who don't demand huge contracts. As much as I hate the Steelers, they have a plan that works.
If that's true, you'll want the Browns to pattern themselves after the Packers and Steelers, who build through the draft and supplement their rosters (generally) with free agents who don't demand huge contracts. As much as I hate the Steelers, they have a plan that works.
The thing is that I wouldn't mind overpaying some players, if they were the only missing pieces in an already contending roster. Let's say we only miss a RB, well, give Le'Veon or whoever is looking for a huge contract what he asks for, and go for the SB that year.
I can understand overpaying and risking your future (cap space, draft picks) when your present looks good enough to take your chances, but we are 3-4 years from being contenders, being optimistic.
We need to make additions both in FA and in the Draft, and probably in FA we are going to have to pay a bit more than others to bring good players (we are the Browns, we are the least attractive team at the moment), but we don't have to go crazy NOW.
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Receivers were a problem this year, too.
Pryor didn't work (I don't remember if it was due to injuries), he lost Jackson, Reed played injured and was a shadow of himself... The receiver with most yards? Crowder with around 700.
I'd be more than happy to have Cousins in my team. I like the guy, and I think he puts good numbers, albeit not being amazing. With the amount of teams with a debatable QB there are, don't having to worry about that position is huge IMO.
The problem is the money. I believe that Cousins has always had a "second draft choice/backup QB" tag in Washington, as he was drafted after RGIII and was his backup. When he played well and asked for the money, they were reluctant. Is like Keenum this year: he played great, but I bet the Vikings aren't going to be the ones giving him the best offer.
That made Redskins tag him TWICE, and I bet that his next contract is going to be bigger than what it would have been if they finally had come to terms prior to all this tagging madness. And signing a guy with a market value much higher than his field value is something I don't want the Browns doing.
Interesting - some good points Nero! Losing DeSean Jackson might have been addition by subtraction; because he came to Tampa and didn't help their young QB nearly as much as the locals here thought he would. The radio dialogue I heard was Winston felt pressured to get the ball to him and in doing so - he also had Evans in his ear about keeping up his targets.
When you mentioned the money - BINGO! I still get the impression Washington wants to upgrade their QB position by their reluctance to commit long term. If Receivers were a problem in Washington, we had a crew that couldn't make that roster except for our well rested Josh Gordon. In 2016, Pryor was the WR that went over 1000 yards here that Cousins couldn't generate any magic with (even before injuries?)
As much as Alex Smith is my fave, we NEVER get this kind of QB here this side of 1999. We just don't. Maybe Dorsey Doe can change that with making our WR Corps a much better recruiting attraction. That shouldn't be nearly as impossible as previous regimes have made it.
Do we consider losing a 2nd round pick for AJ McCarron? We may lose the pick but keep the cap space Cousins would drain. Too bad Sam Bradford can't stay healthy or he'd be worth exploring... As nice as the Keenum and Foles stories became - what happens when they don't have the HUGE margin of error their defenses gave them this year? Keenum, looked like Cinderella after midnight last week. After going up 7-0, he threw a TD to Philly's defense (which took a lot of pressure off Foles early at home). And when Minnesota's defense was getting turnovers on the opponent's side of the 50 or getting off the field - Keenum stayed overwhelmed. Long story short, we don't have this kind of defense Minnesota or Philly had perpetuating a nice margin of error for their QB. BUT if our front 7 stays a little healthier and we upgrade our secondary - we'll see better giddy-up and get after it overall.
Interesting - some good points Nero! Losing DeSean Jackson might have been addition by subtraction; because he came to Tampa and didn't help their young QB nearly as much as the locals here thought he would. The radio dialogue I heard was Winston felt pressured to get the ball to him and in doing so - he also had Evans in his ear about keeping up his targets.
When you mentioned the money - BINGO! I still get the impression Washington wants to upgrade their QB position by their reluctance to commit long term. If Receivers were a problem in Washington, we had a crew that couldn't make that roster except for our well rested Josh Gordon. In 2016, Pryor was the WR that went over 1000 yards here that Cousins couldn't generate any magic with (even before injuries?)
As much as Alex Smith is my fave, we NEVER get this kind of QB here this side of 1999. We just don't. Maybe Dorsey Doe can change that with making our WR Corps a much better recruiting attraction. That shouldn't be nearly as impossible as previous regimes have made it.
Do we consider losing a 2nd round pick for AJ McCarron? We may lose the pick but keep the cap space Cousins would drain. Too bad Sam Bradford can't stay healthy or he'd be worth exploring... As nice as the Keenum and Foles stories became - what happens when they don't have the HUGE margin of error their defenses gave them this year? Keenum, looked like Cinderella after midnight last week. After going up 7-0, he threw a TD to Philly's defense (which took a lot of pressure off Foles early at home). And when Minnesota's defense was getting turnovers on the opponent's side of the 50 or getting off the field - Keenum stayed overwhelmed. Long story short, we don't have this kind of defense Minnesota or Philly had perpetuating a nice margin of error for their QB. BUT if our front 7 stays a little healthier and we upgrade our secondary - we'll see better giddy-up and get after it overall.
I think that Keenum was outstanding in some games despite Vikings' defense.
Our second is a #33 (if I'm not mistaken you trade your pick). I'd trade that for Smith (and I know that's overpaying) but not for McCarron. I'd give a 3rd for AJ.
And I've been saying in other threads that I would go WR first in FA, to be able to negotiate with a QB later.
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Interesting - some good points Nero! Losing DeSean Jackson might have been addition by subtraction; because he came to Tampa and didn't help their young QB nearly as much as the locals here thought he would. The radio dialogue I heard was Winston felt pressured to get the ball to him and in doing so - he also had Evans in his ear about keeping up his targets.
When you mentioned the money - BINGO! I still get the impression Washington wants to upgrade their QB position by their reluctance to commit long term. If Receivers were a problem in Washington, we had a crew that couldn't make that roster except for our well rested Josh Gordon. In 2016, Pryor was the WR that went over 1000 yards here that Cousins couldn't generate any magic with (even before injuries?)
As much as Alex Smith is my fave, we NEVER get this kind of QB here this side of 1999. We just don't. Maybe Dorsey Doe can change that with making our WR Corps a much better recruiting attraction. That shouldn't be nearly as impossible as previous regimes have made it.
Do we consider losing a 2nd round pick for AJ McCarron? We may lose the pick but keep the cap space Cousins would drain. Too bad Sam Bradford can't stay healthy or he'd be worth exploring... As nice as the Keenum and Foles stories became - what happens when they don't have the HUGE margin of error their defenses gave them this year? Keenum, looked like Cinderella after midnight last week. After going up 7-0, he threw a TD to Philly's defense (which took a lot of pressure off Foles early at home). And when Minnesota's defense was getting turnovers on the opponent's side of the 50 or getting off the field - Keenum stayed overwhelmed. Long story short, we don't have this kind of defense Minnesota or Philly had perpetuating a nice margin of error for their QB. BUT if our front 7 stays a little healthier and we upgrade our secondary - we'll see better giddy-up and get after it overall.
I think that Keenum was outstanding in some games despite Vikings' defense.
Our second is a #33 (if I'm not mistaken you trade your pick). I'd trade that for Smith (and I know that's overpaying) but not for McCarron. I'd give a 3rd for AJ.
And I've been saying in other threads that I would go WR first in FA, to be able to negotiate with a QB later.
I think that Keenum was outstanding in some games despite Vikings' defense.
Our second is a #33 (if I'm not mistaken you trade your pick). I'd trade that for Smith (and I know that's overpaying) but not for McCarron. I'd give a 3rd for AJ.
And I've been saying in other threads that I would go WR first in FA, to be able to negotiate with a QB later.
Yeah, Keenum had a great year - no doubt about it! Where I was going with the margin of error his defense gave him stuff is - it really helps a QB's confidence to know his defense has his back in the sense of feeling he doesn't have to score/be perfect on every single drive or press to do so like we've made some of QBs feel like they've had to do in recent years. Keenum had a pressure-free set-up he really made the most of with good performances. I LIKED the story. We don't have that set-up here for any QB just yet. The GOOD news is we can do a lot this off season to about-face it.
Good idea about going WR first in FA to help recruit the QB interest.
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I don't know ... as a Redskins fan, I think you guys would be better off going with Alex Smith and drafting someone at either #1 or #4. I like Cousins and want him back, and obviously money isn't an issue with the Browns ... but if your GM thinks any of these QBs in the draft can be the next "top QB" ... get that guy and sit him behind Smith for a year v. going with Cousins, who is very good, but not elite.
Unless you guys think you should go Barkley + Fitzpatrick at 1 & 4. Can't really go wrong either way.
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I don't know ... as a Redskins fan, I think you guys would be better off going with Alex Smith and drafting someone at either #1 or #4. I like Cousins and want him back, and obviously money isn't an issue with the Browns ... but if your GM thinks any of these QBs in the draft can be the next "top QB" ... get that guy and sit him behind Smith for a year v. going with Cousins, who is very good, but not elite.
Unless you guys think you should go Barkley + Fitzpatrick at 1 & 4. Can't really go wrong either way.
I don't know ... as a Redskins fan, I think you guys would be better off going with Alex Smith and drafting someone at either #1 or #4. I like Cousins and want him back, and obviously money isn't an issue with the Browns ... but if your GM thinks any of these QBs in the draft can be the next "top QB" ... get that guy and sit him behind Smith for a year v. going with Cousins, who is very good, but not elite.
Unless you guys think you should go Barkley + Fitzpatrick at 1 & 4. Can't really go wrong either way.
As of today, I'd sign 2 WRs in FA (not necessarily both top tier, but at least one), then Smith, QB with the #1 (I'd be happy with either Darnold, Rosen or Mayfield), and Fitzpatrick/James with #4.
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I don't know ... as a Redskins fan, I think you guys would be better off going with Alex Smith and drafting someone at either #1 or #4. I like Cousins and want him back, and obviously money isn't an issue with the Browns ... but if your GM thinks any of these QBs in the draft can be the next "top QB" ... get that guy and sit him behind Smith for a year v. going with Cousins, who is very good, but not elite.
Unless you guys think you should go Barkley + Fitzpatrick at 1 & 4. Can't really go wrong either way.
As of today, I'd sign 2 WRs in FA (not necessarily both top tier, but at least one), then Smith, QB with the #1 (I'd be happy with either Darnold, Rosen or Mayfield), and Fitzpatrick/James with #4.
As of today, I'd sign 2 WRs in FA (not necessarily both top tier, but at least one), then Smith, QB with the #1 (I'd be happy with either Darnold, Rosen or Barkley), and Fitzpatrick/James with #4.
Barkley would be a horrible QB...
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I don't know ... as a Redskins fan, I think you guys would be better off going with Alex Smith and drafting someone at either #1 or #4. I like Cousins and want him back, and obviously money isn't an issue with the Browns ... but if your GM thinks any of these QBs in the draft can be the next "top QB" ... get that guy and sit him behind Smith for a year v. going with Cousins, who is very good, but not elite.
Unless you guys think you should go Barkley + Fitzpatrick at 1 & 4. Can't really go wrong either way.
I don't know ... as a Redskins fan, I think you guys would be better off going with Alex Smith and drafting someone at either #1 or #4. I like Cousins and want him back, and obviously money isn't an issue with the Browns ... but if your GM thinks any of these QBs in the draft can be the next "top QB" ... get that guy and sit him behind Smith for a year v. going with Cousins, who is very good, but not elite.
Unless you guys think you should go Barkley + Fitzpatrick at 1 & 4. Can't really go wrong either way.
Skipping a chance at taking a top QB in the draft (AGAIN) and taking a RB actually is wrong.
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Barkley would be a horrible QB...
Well, PoG is winning the battle and is brainwashing us and making us post about Barkley even if we don't want to! Lol.
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I don’t think Barkley falls to #4 but I don’t think there’s anything wrong going Barkley at #1 and taking a QB at #4. Giants take Darnold and maybe the Jets trade up for Rosen but you still get your choice of Jackson/Allen/Mayfield at #4 in a “worst case” scenario. But with Jackson/Allen/Mayfield all there I could see teams standing pat and not trading up to #3, giving the Browns Rosen.
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I do subscribe to the camp that stud RBs can be had in R2/3 ... so a QB/FS combo there at 1/4 followed by an RB at 33 is just as logical if not the way to go.
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I don’t think Barkley falls to #4 but I don’t think there’s anything wrong going Barkley at #1 and taking a QB at #4. Giants take Darnold and maybe the Jets trade up for Rosen but you still get your choice of Jackson/Allen/Mayfield at #4 in a “worst case” scenario. But with Jackson/Allen/Mayfield all there I could see teams standing pat and not trading up to #3, giving the Browns Rosen.
I don’t think Barkley falls to #4 but I don’t think there’s anything wrong going Barkley at #1 and taking a QB at #4. Giants take Darnold and maybe the Jets trade up for Rosen but you still get your choice of Jackson/Allen/Mayfield at #4 in a “worst case” scenario. But with Jackson/Allen/Mayfield all there I could see teams standing pat and not trading up to #3, giving the Browns Rosen.
IMO, your worst case scenario of taking Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen or Baker Mayfield is terrifying. (Specifically Jackson or Allen at #4).
Like this is what gets Dorsey and Co. fired a few years from now terrifying.
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I do subscribe to the camp that stud RBs can be had in R2/3 ... so a QB/FS combo there at 1/4 followed by an RB at 33 is just as logical if not the way to go.
I do subscribe to the camp that stud RBs can be had in R2/3 ... so a QB/FS combo there at 1/4 followed by an RB at 33 is just as logical if not the way to go.
at #33, add in the mix that if the #2 or #3 LT drops to us we may need to start taking JT's replacement..Tour have ya worked up your last canidate after Orlando Brown worth considering at #33? CB's & Tackle seem like a light draft class
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I do subscribe to the camp that stud RBs can be had in R2/3 ... so a QB/FS combo there at 1/4 followed by an RB at 33 is just as logical if not the way to go.
at #33, add in the mix that if the #2 or #3 LT drops to us we may need to start taking JT's replacement..Tour have ya worked up your last canidate after Orlando Brown worth considering at #33? CB's & Tackle seem like a light draft class
at #33, add in the mix that if the #2 or #3 LT drops to us we may need to start taking JT's replacement..Tour have ya worked up your last canidate after Orlando Brown worth considering at #33?
The way I see it is you "easily" get 4 starters with 1 - 4 - 33 - 35 ... obviously FA can impact this. But all the picks in the 3rd and 4th round should be seen as depth/contributors at the very least but not necessarily immediate impact guys. QB - FS - RB - OT would be how I'd draw it up. I think you can address CB & WR in free agency for immediate impacts then draft their depth in the 3rd and 4th. And if you somehow managed to add Bell in FA if he gets out of Pittsburgh then even better. I do think having so much young talent and cap space will allow a true BPA approach to the draft.
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Why would you spend a third of your salary cap on a barely competitive QB? His career record is average. His performance in primetime games sucks. His arm is average. Poor in the redzone. He's all stats with NO results. He gets the Browns to 8-8 maybe. Pass.
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I don’t think Barkley falls to #4 but I don’t think there’s anything wrong going Barkley at #1 and taking a QB at #4. Giants take Darnold and maybe the Jets trade up for Rosen but you still get your choice of Jackson/Allen/Mayfield at #4 in a “worst case” scenario. But with Jackson/Allen/Mayfield all there I could see teams standing pat and not trading up to #3, giving the Browns Rosen.
I don’t think Barkley falls to #4 but I don’t think there’s anything wrong going Barkley at #1 and taking a QB at #4. Giants take Darnold and maybe the Jets trade up for Rosen but you still get your choice of Jackson/Allen/Mayfield at #4 in a “worst case” scenario. But with Jackson/Allen/Mayfield all there I could see teams standing pat and not trading up to #3, giving the Browns Rosen.
I don't believe you wait till #4 to take your choice of what is left of the QBs, the Browns have to know which QB they want take him at #1 then let the cards fall at #4
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Why would you spend a third of your salary cap on a barely competitive QB? His career record is average. His performance in primetime games sucks. His arm is average. Poor in the redzone. He's all stats with NO results. He gets the Browns to 8-8 maybe. Pass.
Why would you spend a third of your salary cap on a barely competitive QB? His career record is average. His performance in primetime games sucks. His arm is average. Poor in the redzone. He's all stats with NO results. He gets the Browns to 8-8 maybe. Pass.
So hes a player who can come in and win us 8 games (potentially getting us into the playoffs), that's exactly what I'm looking for.
I can't believe there are so many browns fans on here that are like ," I don't want him, he only wins 8 games a season". Are you guys forgettng it usually takes 3 seasons for us to get 8 wins?
If you don't think he's a top 10-12 QB who isnt going to have us contending for the playoffs, I understand not wanting to pay that money. I don't know what makes you think that but I get it
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Why would you spend a third of your salary cap on a barely competitive QB? His career record is average. His performance in primetime games sucks. His arm is average. Poor in the redzone. He's all stats with NO results. He gets the Browns to 8-8 maybe. Pass.
So hes a player who can come in and win us 8 games (potentially getting us into the playoffs), that's exactly what I'm looking for.
I can't believe there are so many browns fans on here that are like ," I don't want him, he only wins 8 games a season". Are you guys forgettng it usually takes 3 seasons for us to get 8 wins?
If you don't think he's a top 10-12 QB who isnt going to have us contending for the playoffs, I understand not wanting to pay that money. I don't know what makes you think that but I get it
So hes a player who can come in and win us 8 games (potentially getting us into the playoffs), that's exactly what I'm looking for.
I can't believe there are so many browns fans on here that are like ," I don't want him, he only wins 8 games a season". Are you guys forgettng it usually takes 3 seasons for us to get 8 wins?
If you don't think he's a top 10-12 QB who isnt going to have us contending for the playoffs, I understand not wanting to pay that money. I don't know what makes you think that but I get it
Are you even listening to what several Redskins fans are saying? You've set the bar too low, if 8 wins is your goal. Looks like you're ready to have a parade for that level of mediocrity. For example, 50 miles south of Dayton where Dandy Andy Dalton (with a stellar supporting cast- there's a good comparison) is just barely good enough to make the playoffs, and go one and done. I want better than that.To pay Kirk that kind of money, I want Rodgers, Brady, Rothlisberger good. Reports from Washington- sorry to bust your bubble- say Cousins isn't in that league- though he's probably going to get paid like he is.
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Redskins fans are stuck. Like you for so long we just wanted stability and a good option. We now have that ... and hes good and made us consistent. We were so bad the past 2 years from the lack of draft picks and this year had a ton of injuries so it’s hard to say whether it’s Cousins or the team. We are now bored with .500 and want “the next step” and whether that includes cousins or not ... no one knows. Cousins very well could be elite with talent around him. He just hasn’t had much to work with in DC.
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