Ex- XFL...now UFL or URFL
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Am I remembering correctly - was it the Barcelona Dragons?
You are.
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Playing in the fall would be a horrible idea. It's the same reason the usfl failed. You're not going to compete with NCAAF and the NFL head to head
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The XFL returns with a new look and philosophu in 2020.
The NFL has become the thug league that the XFLonce was. The NFL has shot themselves in the foot catering to malignant protests, criminal players and political posturing.
There is not one Browns fan who os proud of this franchise or enjoys football Sunday after the game.
Clearly the Browns franchise is at itxs lowest comparative value wince ot entered the NFL. Clearly it is makong more financial sense to fold tjos franchse, move it, and rename it. This is going to happen. I know it and so do you. This turdfest is not sustainable and no NFL exec looks into the league's future and sees Cleveland in it.
So why not be ahead of the game for a change? Why not be proactive? Shut Haslam down. Force hom to take this bag of schidt fake Browns team to another city.
Then, negotiate a deal and put an XFL team in Cleveland. Hell, call it the Browns.
Think of it as a true rebirth of Paul Brown. Bring history and tradition to tjenew league and be the first XFL team to beat an NFL team.
Why continue this mental masturbation and suffer another rin at 0-16?
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At this point I just feel a great swell of pity for this fat bastard.
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Just quit feeding this guy, Shmuck..
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Yup. Haslam has delivered a bad product. To the fans and his customers. Maybe he'll get to go to jail. Then maybe his son in-law can meddle with the team.
The new league will be for NFL cast-offs and practice squad wanna-be's.
BEING A BROWNS FAN IS A TEST TO SEE HOW MUCH YOU CAN TAKE -
The XFL returns with a new look and philosophu in 2020.
The NFL has become the thug league that the XFLonce was. The NFL has shot themselves in the foot catering to malignant protests, criminal players and political posturing.
There is not one Browns fan who os proud of this franchise or enjoys football Sunday after the game.
Clearly the Browns franchise is at itxs lowest comparative value wince ot entered the NFL. Clearly it is makong more financial sense to fold tjos franchse, move it, and rename it. This is going to happen. I know it and so do you. This turdfest is not sustainable and no NFL exec looks into the league's future and sees Cleveland in it.
So why not be ahead of the game for a change? Why not be proactive? Shut Haslam down. Force hom to take this bag of schidt fake Browns team to another city.
Then, negotiate a deal and put an XFL team in Cleveland. Hell, call it the Browns.
Think of it as a true rebirth of Paul Brown. Bring history and tradition to tjenew league and be the first XFL team to beat an NFL team.
Why continue this mental masturbation and suffer another rin at 0-16?
The XFL returns with a new look and philosophu in 2020.
The NFL has become the thug league that the XFLonce was. The NFL has shot themselves in the foot catering to malignant protests, criminal players and political posturing.
There is not one Browns fan who os proud of this franchise or enjoys football Sunday after the game.
Clearly the Browns franchise is at itxs lowest comparative value wince ot entered the NFL. Clearly it is makong more financial sense to fold tjos franchse, move it, and rename it. This is going to happen. I know it and so do you. This turdfest is not sustainable and no NFL exec looks into the league's future and sees Cleveland in it.
So why not be ahead of the game for a change? Why not be proactive? Shut Haslam down. Force hom to take this bag of schidt fake Browns team to another city.
Then, negotiate a deal and put an XFL team in Cleveland. Hell, call it the Browns.
Think of it as a true rebirth of Paul Brown. Bring history and tradition to tjenew league and be the first XFL team to beat an NFL team.
Why continue this mental masturbation and suffer another rin at 0-16?
Ghoolie... you’re a smart guy. Certainly smart enough to realize money rules everything.
You really think one billionaire is going to beat out 32 billionaires? It’s not happening.
As for the political climate, Trump understands this truth. That’s why he knows the best way to save western civilization is to defund the left.
The owners are simply pandering to keep the masses happy. We as a country won’t always be this PC. This is coming from a millennial. My generation is waking up.
The NFL isn’t going anywhere. Neither are the Browns. The owners revenue share, plus back in the Jim Brown days, soldiers at war would listen to football and the only team ever on was the Browns. The soldiers went home Browns fans, and now there are Browns backers all over the nation.
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Yup. Haslam has delivered a bad product. To the fans and his customers. Maybe he'll get to go to jail. Then maybe his son in-law can meddle with the team.
The new league will be for NFL cast-offs and practice squad wanna-be's.
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Make no mistake, the Cleveland Browns ARE in play. You read it from me first, the Browns ARE going to be moved.
Better to accept the level of play. Think of it like the AAFC. The XFL will eventually join the NFL. It is an inevitability, and this is why the early investors into the new league are well represented by existing NFL team owners. The NFL will never expand again. HOWEVER................. absorbing a successful new league that is free of the ghetto bullschidt that is dragging the NFL into the toilet? NOW YA GOT SOMETHING.
Do you think the Browns will be able to beat an XFL team? I say perhaps they could be an 8-8 franchise against such competition.
The Cleveland Browns have the hardest hit players in the NFL -
By 2020 the Cleveland Browns will be IN the SuperBowl.
We are going to be one of the most electric offenses in the NFL next season.
Josh motherShmucking Gordon is BACK! How many games have we won since he was suspended? A handful. Him being back and getting his head on straight is going to be huge!!!
Picking up say Saquon Barkley and say Baker Mayfield will make us an electric offense, with Coleman becoming a veteran player, when he stays healthy and gets it, he's going to go off. Very fast and elusive player, added to a young and hungry defensive team! You are selling this team short. Come on man, we are very close. Take your troubled heart and still it, reinforcement have arrived. The tides are turning. This season the fortunes of the Orange and Brown are changing like the leaves. Good times ahead. Promise.
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Make no mistake, the Cleveland Browns ARE in play. You read it from me first, the Browns ARE going to be moved.
Better to accept the level of play. Think of it like the AAFC. The XFL will eventually join the NFL. It is an inevitability, and this is why the early investors into the new league are well represented by existing NFL team owners. The NFL will never expand again. HOWEVER................. absorbing a successful new league that is free of the ghetto bullschidt that is dragging the NFL into the toilet? NOW YA GOT SOMETHING.
Do you think the Browns will be able to beat an XFL team? I say perhaps they could be an 8-8 franchise against such competition.
Make no mistake, the Cleveland Browns ARE in play. You read it from me first, the Browns ARE going to be moved.
...and why? Because they're not drawing enoughs fans? In a city where the Browns are loved more than some spouses?
It's not the city or the fans that are the problem. It's the organization. Moving the organization is not 'fixing' it.
An NFL team can survive just fine in Cleveland. But like any other city...the team has to WIN sometimes. (it really is true that the Browns have some of the best fans in the league)
BEING A BROWNS FAN IS A TEST TO SEE HOW MUCH YOU CAN TAKE -
Make no mistake, the Cleveland Browns ARE in play. You read it from me first, the Browns ARE going to be moved.
...and why? Because they're not drawing enoughs fans? In a city where the Browns are loved more than some spouses?
It's not the city or the fans that are the problem. It's the organization. Moving the organization is not 'fixing' it.
An NFL team can survive just fine in Cleveland. But like any other city...the team has to WIN sometimes. (it really is true that the Browns have some of the best fans in the league)
...and why? Because they're not drawing enoughs fans? In a city where the Browns are loved more than some spouses?
It's not the city or the fans that are the problem. It's the organization. Moving the organization is not 'fixing' it.
An NFL team can survive just fine in Cleveland. But like any other city...the team has to WIN sometimes. (it really is true that the Browns have some of the best fans in the league)
A few things Orion. Billionaires don't think like every day people. Billionaires have egos as big as their bank accounts. It all comes into play, dude. You have Steeler fans growing faster in NE Ohio than Browns fans, you have fans celebrating 0 - 16, a declining market, and the least popular brand in the league.
Now, if you think Haslam is the kind of guy who is thinking to himself............how do I sweat my asss off, work my caulk off, spend myself silly to safe face? Especially since NONE of that guarantees a winner. Dude, he is already looking for an easy way out, a reboot. Blaming a one-time team loser is an easy way to go. Cleveland is already considered a joke. Blaming them for poor support and moving is a sensible way out.
you think bringing in a GM who bends over and has no say so, and leaving PO and Hue in place is Haslam's way of moving us forward?
Cleveland is going to lose the Browns. I promise you.
The Cleveland Browns have the hardest hit players in the NFL -
...and why? Because they're not drawing enoughs fans? In a city where the Browns are loved more than some spouses?
It's not the city or the fans that are the problem. It's the organization. Moving the organization is not 'fixing' it.
An NFL team can survive just fine in Cleveland. But like any other city...the team has to WIN sometimes. (it really is true that the Browns have some of the best fans in the league)
A few things Orion. Billionaires don't think like every day people. Billionaires have egos as big as their bank accounts. It all comes into play, dude. You have Steeler fans growing faster in NE Ohio than Browns fans, you have fans celebrating 0 - 16, a declining market, and the least popular brand in the league.
Now, if you think Haslam is the kind of guy who is thinking to himself............how do I sweat my asss off, work my caulk off, spend myself silly to safe face? Especially since NONE of that guarantees a winner. Dude, he is already looking for an easy way out, a reboot. Blaming a one-time team loser is an easy way to go. Cleveland is already considered a joke. Blaming them for poor support and moving is a sensible way out.
you think bringing in a GM who bends over and has no say so, and leaving PO and Hue in place is Haslam's way of moving us forward?
Cleveland is going to lose the Browns. I promise you.
you think bringing in a GM who bends over and has no say so, and leaving PO and Hue in place is Haslam's way of moving us forward?
I certainly DO NOT think that Haslam has been moving us forward, no. I think he's the main problem. The Old Saying, it all starts at the top, is true in our case. (any chance him and his Pilot Flying J henchmen will all go to jail together?)
Dorsey is stuck with Hue (whether we or he likes it or not)...but he has free agency and the draft to supplement the team with HIS type of REAL football players. Perhaps Dorsey can put a real team on the field in spite of Haslam.
As bad as the Browns are under Haslam...it's still better than having NO team. - But, knowing the last 20 years would be this way, would I have said, "Nah, keep 'em in Baltimore. I'll do without a favorite team"? I'd have to think about that. Certainly our team records would be much better...and we'd have far better negative team records. And we'd never have been associated with these new horrible uniforms.....
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I'd be more excited if they brought back NFL Europe.
Anyway, any league that gives the opportunity to watch more football and find/rescue some valuable players is welcome.
I'd be more excited if they brought back NFL Europe.
Anyway, any league that gives the opportunity to watch more football and find/rescue some valuable players is welcome.
Maybe you should start your own European Football League. And since you are in Pamplona, you could give the game a twist. In addition to the players themselves being out on the field, have a running of the bulls in with the game, so that in addition to the ball carrier having to dodge the guys trying to tackle him...he would also have to avoid the bulls that are running around trying to gore everybody.
Sounds like a major attraction, no?
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Make no mistake, the Cleveland Browns ARE in play. You read it from me first, the Browns ARE going to be moved.
Better to accept the level of play. Think of it like the AAFC. The XFL will eventually join the NFL. It is an inevitability, and this is why the early investors into the new league are well represented by existing NFL team owners. The NFL will never expand again. HOWEVER................. absorbing a successful new league that is free of the ghetto bullschidt that is dragging the NFL into the toilet? NOW YA GOT SOMETHING.
Do you think the Browns will be able to beat an XFL team? I say perhaps they could be an 8-8 franchise against such competition.
Make no mistake, the Cleveland Browns ARE in play. You read it from me first, the Browns ARE going to be moved.
Better to accept the level of play. Think of it like the AAFC. The XFL will eventually join the NFL. It is an inevitability, and this is why the early investors into the new league are well represented by existing NFL team owners. The NFL will never expand again. HOWEVER................. absorbing a successful new league that is free of the ghetto bullschidt that is dragging the NFL into the toilet? NOW YA GOT SOMETHING.
Do you think the Browns will be able to beat an XFL team? I say perhaps they could be an 8-8 franchise against such competition.
Ignorance piled upon more ignorance does not knowledge make.
Example....there are NO current NFL owners who are investors in the XFL. Where do you get that idiocy. Right now there is only one investor in the XFL..and that is Vince McMahon.
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...and why? Because they're not drawing enoughs fans? In a city where the Browns are loved more than some spouses?
It's not the city or the fans that are the problem. It's the organization. Moving the organization is not 'fixing' it.
An NFL team can survive just fine in Cleveland. But like any other city...the team has to WIN sometimes. (it really is true that the Browns have some of the best fans in the league)
A few things Orion. Billionaires don't think like every day people. Billionaires have egos as big as their bank accounts. It all comes into play, dude. You have Steeler fans growing faster in NE Ohio than Browns fans, you have fans celebrating 0 - 16, a declining market, and the least popular brand in the league.
Now, if you think Haslam is the kind of guy who is thinking to himself............how do I sweat my asss off, work my caulk off, spend myself silly to safe face? Especially since NONE of that guarantees a winner. Dude, he is already looking for an easy way out, a reboot. Blaming a one-time team loser is an easy way to go. Cleveland is already considered a joke. Blaming them for poor support and moving is a sensible way out.
you think bringing in a GM who bends over and has no say so, and leaving PO and Hue in place is Haslam's way of moving us forward?
Cleveland is going to lose the Browns. I promise you.
A few things Orion. Billionaires don't think like every day people. Billionaires have egos as big as their bank accounts. It all comes into play, dude. You have Steeler fans growing faster in NE Ohio than Browns fans, you have fans celebrating 0 - 16, a declining market, and the least popular brand in the league.
Now, if you think Haslam is the kind of guy who is thinking to himself............how do I sweat my asss off, work my caulk off, spend myself silly to safe face? Especially since NONE of that guarantees a winner. Dude, he is already looking for an easy way out, a reboot. Blaming a one-time team loser is an easy way to go. Cleveland is already considered a joke. Blaming them for poor support and moving is a sensible way out.
you think bringing in a GM who bends over and has no say so, and leaving PO and Hue in place is Haslam's way of moving us forward?
Cleveland is going to lose the Browns. I promise you.
Like I said....ignorance...piled on ignorance with more ignorance as a cherry on top does not make anything you say accurate. It only proves that that there are multiple layers to your ignorance.
The thing that Haslam might like to do is to trade the Browns for the Titans. I suspect that may be true. But, are the Adams family going to make that trade? No. Their majority owner, Amy Strunk is happy owning the Titans, even if one of the minority owners...a sister, is not. (because Amy Strunk fired her husband as team president I believe):
NASHVILLE, Tenn. – Susie Adams Smith, one of the minority owners of KSA Industries, Inc., has started the process of offering her interest in the parent company which owns the Tennessee Titans.
KSA Industries, Inc., is involved in several different businesses, including ownership of the Titans.
The club’s operations will not be affected by Smith’s decision to sell.
The club’s other four owners, including controlling owner Amy Adams Strunk, represent two-thirds of majority ownership and will continue to own and operate the team. Strunk, the daughter of late Titans owner Kenneth S. “Bud” Adams, has 33 percent ownership in KSA Industries, Inc. The family of Adams' deceased son, Kenneth Adams III, also has one-third ownership — his grandsons, Kenneth IV (11 percent) and Barclay Adams (11 percent), and their mother, Susan Lewis (11 percent).
Their majority control will be unchanged and unaffected by Smith’s sale of her minority, non-controlling interest (33 percent) in the family business. Smith, daughter of the long-time Oilers/Titans owner, is married to Tommy Smith, who once served as president/CEO of the team.
Strunk, who replaced Tommy Smith as controlling owner in March of 2015, has no plans to sell, and neither does anyone in Kenneth Adams III’s family.
Titans Statement from Amy Adams Strunk
“Recently Susie (Smith) began the process of selling her portion of KSA Industries, which includes a fractional indirect interest in the Tennessee Titans. We respect her right to make this decision and will cooperate fully with the process, which will not impact team operations in any way.
Regardless of the outcome of this process, I will continue to serve as the controlling owner of the Titans. The remaining two-thirds of the team controlled by myself, Kenneth Adams IV, Barclay Adams and Susan Lewis is not and has never been for sale.
Both personally and as a group, we have invested time, effort and capital to improve this franchise and we are excited to see the results on and off the field for years to come.”
The NFL is aware of Smith’s desire to sell her interest in the parent company. The Titans have also made the league office aware that Strunk and the rest of the Adams family have no plans to sell.
Strunk has made a number of changes to stabilize and improve the franchise since taking over as controlling owner of the ownership group over two years ago.
Strunk hired Jon Robinson as general manager, and elevated Mike Mularkey from interim head coach to permanent head coach after firing Ken Whisenhunt. Strunk also hired president and CEO Steve Underwood on a permanent basis.
More recently, Strunk has overseen massive improvements at Nissan Stadium and Saint Thomas Sports Park, which includes a new locker room, training room and weight room.
Strunk, who lives in Texas, also bought a home in Nashville recently. Kenneth Adams IV has lived in Nashville for years, and is on the team’s Board of Directors.
Last August, Strunk was added to the NFL’s Hall of Fame Committee, which is led by representatives of NFL ownership groups. The group includes Cowboys owner Jerry Jones (Chairman), Browns owner Jimmy Haslam, Bears chairman George H. McCaskey, Steelers chairman Dan Rooney, Redskins owner Dan Snyder, and 49ers owner Denise DeBartolo-York.
In addition to assuming the role of controlling owner of the team in March 2015, Strunk also serves as the co-chairman of the franchise’s Board of Directors.
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Make no mistake, the Cleveland Browns ARE in play. You read it from me first, the Browns ARE going to be moved.
...and why? Because they're not drawing enoughs fans? In a city where the Browns are loved more than some spouses?
It's not the city or the fans that are the problem. It's the organization. Moving the organization is not 'fixing' it.
An NFL team can survive just fine in Cleveland. But like any other city...the team has to WIN sometimes. (it really is true that the Browns have some of the best fans in the league)
...and why? Because they're not drawing enoughs fans? In a city where the Browns are loved more than some spouses?
It's not the city or the fans that are the problem. It's the organization. Moving the organization is not 'fixing' it.
An NFL team can survive just fine in Cleveland. But like any other city...the team has to WIN sometimes. (it really is true that the Browns have some of the best fans in the league)
I can assure you that the love of the Browns is severely degraded in Cleveland. My brother and many other season ticket holders have gotten rid of their tickets and don't even watch the games anymore.
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