Camp Barkley #1 Overall
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It depends on which vet you would get, the length of the contract, and how long you expect him to play and be your starter. Whether you think he is worth it or not doesn't matter for this point, but if you get Kirk Cousins and you sign him to a 5 year deal, then it doesn't make any sense to draft a QB that high to be your backup. Doesn't make sense, because if you as a team expect Cousins to be your QB for the length of the contract, then the drafted QB wouldn't see the field, you wouldn't know what type of game player he could be, and most importantly he could walk after his rookie contract.
There is a reason Jimmy G wanted out in NE. He didn't want to leave because the team was bad, he had been there for a good amount of time, and he wanted to play.
Now, if you sign a vet you think can start a year or 2, then yes, get your guy. But to say you get one no matter what is wrong in my opinion
Disagree...
I have my #1 overall QB. I am highly confident... as confident as I have been in years... that my #1 is "the guy." Therefore I let that dictate the vet QB I pursue.
I get the feeling that you are coming from the opposite camp. You have a vet you want and are letting that dictate the QB prospect you draft and, more importantly, when.
In my view whether Cousins is great or merely good, you are never going to get back into the position to draft a QB at the top of the first round again without mortgaging the future of the franchise for the opportunity to do so. And you can never offer enough to trade up for an elite prospect.
As to your points...
- A rookie deal for a 1st rounder is 5-years as well.
- Somehow NE (and other teams) got comfortable with Jimmy G's progress... and Brady's before that... same in GB with Rodgers... Wilson in Seattle... Dak in Dallas... Rivers in SD...
- Agree you don't draft that high for a backup... you draft that high in an attempt to secure your QB for the next 12-15 years... not just 5.. or 7... that's why I take this shot at a prospect. It helps (a lot) that I see my prospect as so promising.
Disagree...
I have my #1 overall QB. I am highly confident... as confident as I have been in years... that my #1 is "the guy." Therefore I let that dictate the vet QB I pursue.
I get the feeling that you are coming from the opposite camp. You have a vet you want and are letting that dictate the QB prospect you draft and, more importantly, when.
In my view whether Cousins is great or merely good, you are never going to get back into the position to draft a QB at the top of the first round again without mortgaging the future of the franchise for the opportunity to do so. And you can never offer enough to trade up for an elite prospect.
As to your points...
- A rookie deal for a 1st rounder is 5-years as well.
- Somehow NE (and other teams) got comfortable with Jimmy G's progress... and Brady's before that... same in GB with Rodgers... Wilson in Seattle... Dak in Dallas... Rivers in SD...
- Agree you don't draft that high for a backup... you draft that high in an attempt to secure your QB for the next 12-15 years... not just 5.. or 7... that's why I take this shot at a prospect. It helps (a lot) that I see my prospect as so promising.
Like I replied to the other gentleman, I am not saying they should sign Cousins and not draft a QB 1 or the other way around. The point was that saying you draft one no matter what is wrong. IF they were to sign Cousins, they are expecting him to be the starter for the entirety of the contract. And if the length of that contract were 5 years, then the drafted QB would be your backup and then leave, meaning the pick was wasted.
The Browns or any other team wouldn't sign someone for that much money (could be richest ever and certainly doesn't deserve that, but just how they go) and not expect him to play or to be a mentor for the next guy. With a older guy like Alex Smith, sure, but not Cousins.
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Rashaard Penny is a beast and I'm an advocate for drafting him as well.
Barkley and Penny would be awesome.
And I wouldn't even sign a veteran QB like Cousins or Smith. For one- Smith is a bandaid. You can get the same production from Kevin Hogan as you get from Cousins.
You draft Barkley 1st and then zero in on the QB that you want at 4.
CLE- #1
NY- #2
INDY- #3
CLE- #4
You guys get too caught up in thinking because we select 4th that we're getting the 4th best QB. No, no, no, no... that isn't how it's going to happen-
CLE - #1 - Barkley
NY - #2 - They are going with Eli for a while longer so it's hard to tell what they will do, they may fortify the OL, get Eli some help in taking a player like Barkley(if he's available), they might go defense, there are a number of edge rushers and players like Fitzpatrick that are in play. Their QB is their biggest strength and it would not help them win now by taking a QB. But they may.
INDY - #3 - They aren't going to draft a QB. They are taking the best player available. OL to help protect their already huge investment in Luck or trying to get him so help at RB or WR, they may also go Defense early here.
CLE - #4- Despite all the QB talk, I'm not sold on Rosen, Darnold, Allen, Mayfield or Rudolph. Even so, if the Browns FO is comfortable with one of these guys then you have your pick.
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NYG will either take Darnold or Barkley at #2. The colts will take defense but likely will trade out to someone who wants a QB. So at worst you’d get the 3rd best QB but as others said above, you may lose out on getting “your” QB and if you’ve got one you’re honed in on, you should take them at #1. If you have 3 guys who are very close together and you love Barkley then sure.
Still think the best rout is QB at 1, Fitzpatrick at 4 to be your FS. Then draft OT/RB at 33/35 and WR/DL/CB with your next 3 picks which should all still be starter caliber talent
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Rashaard Penny is a beast and I'm an advocate for drafting him as well.
Barkley and Penny would be awesome.
And I wouldn't even sign a veteran QB like Cousins or Smith. For one- Smith is a bandaid. You can get the same production from Kevin Hogan as you get from Cousins.
You draft Barkley 1st and then zero in on the QB that you want at 4.
CLE- #1
NY- #2
INDY- #3
CLE- #4
You guys get too caught up in thinking because we select 4th that we're getting the 4th best QB. No, no, no, no... that isn't how it's going to happen-
CLE - #1 - Barkley
NY - #2 - They are going with Eli for a while longer so it's hard to tell what they will do, they may fortify the OL, get Eli some help in taking a player like Barkley(if he's available), they might go defense, there are a number of edge rushers and players like Fitzpatrick that are in play. Their QB is their biggest strength and it would not help them win now by taking a QB. But they may.
INDY - #3 - They aren't going to draft a QB. They are taking the best player available. OL to help protect their already huge investment in Luck or trying to get him so help at RB or WR, they may also go Defense early here.
CLE - #4- Despite all the QB talk, I'm not sold on Rosen, Darnold, Allen, Mayfield or Rudolph. Even so, if the Browns FO is comfortable with one of these guys then you have your pick.
And I wouldn't even sign a veteran QB like Cousins or Smith. For one- Smith is a bandaid. You can get the same production from Kevin Hogan as you get from Cousins.
I just want to make sure everyone sees this.
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I liked Hogan out of college. He’s a DC guy. But to say you can get the same production out of him that you could with Smith or Cousins seems a bit extreme.
Smith or Cousins on last years Browns would make you at least 5-11. With the added picks from this year with Dorsey at the helm, and presumably some high end FAs ... I would say adding Cousins or Smith makes you between 7-9 and 9-7 depending on how your health is and your youngsters play. Maybe better if everything clicks.
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I liked Hogan out of college. He’s a DC guy. But to say you can get the same production out of him that you could with Smith or Cousins seems a bit extreme.
Smith or Cousins on last years Browns would make you at least 5-11. With the added picks from this year with Dorsey at the helm, and presumably some high end FAs ... I would say adding Cousins or Smith makes you between 7-9 and 9-7 depending on how your health is and your youngsters play. Maybe better if everything clicks.
I liked Hogan out of college. He’s a DC guy. But to say you can get the same production out of him that you could with Smith or Cousins seems a bit extreme.
Smith or Cousins on last years Browns would make you at least 5-11. With the added picks from this year with Dorsey at the helm, and presumably some high end FAs ... I would say adding Cousins or Smith makes you between 7-9 and 9-7 depending on how your health is and your youngsters play. Maybe better if everything clicks.
What do you think Hogan could have done with a whole season? Say for instance that he was the guy from training camp and OTAs?
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I liked Hogan out of college. He’s a DC guy. But to say you can get the same production out of him that you could with Smith or Cousins seems a bit extreme.
Smith or Cousins on last years Browns would make you at least 5-11. With the added picks from this year with Dorsey at the helm, and presumably some high end FAs ... I would say adding Cousins or Smith makes you between 7-9 and 9-7 depending on how your health is and your youngsters play. Maybe better if everything clicks.
I liked Hogan out of college. He’s a DC guy. But to say you can get the same production out of him that you could with Smith or Cousins seems a bit extreme.
I'd like to introduce you PoG. He's a great guy and has a lot of energy and optimism.
He's a fan of Hogan and has preached about all his unexistant skills to the point of extenuation. Well, everyone has his flaws.
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Rashaard Penny is a beast and I'm an advocate for drafting him as well.
Barkley and Penny would be awesome.
And I wouldn't even sign a veteran QB like Cousins or Smith. For one- Smith is a bandaid. You can get the same production from Kevin Hogan as you get from Cousins.
You draft Barkley 1st and then zero in on the QB that you want at 4.
CLE- #1
NY- #2
INDY- #3
CLE- #4
You guys get too caught up in thinking because we select 4th that we're getting the 4th best QB. No, no, no, no... that isn't how it's going to happen-
CLE - #1 - Barkley
NY - #2 - They are going with Eli for a while longer so it's hard to tell what they will do, they may fortify the OL, get Eli some help in taking a player like Barkley(if he's available), they might go defense, there are a number of edge rushers and players like Fitzpatrick that are in play. Their QB is their biggest strength and it would not help them win now by taking a QB. But they may.
INDY - #3 - They aren't going to draft a QB. They are taking the best player available. OL to help protect their already huge investment in Luck or trying to get him so help at RB or WR, they may also go Defense early here.
CLE - #4- Despite all the QB talk, I'm not sold on Rosen, Darnold, Allen, Mayfield or Rudolph. Even so, if the Browns FO is comfortable with one of these guys then you have your pick.
And I wouldn't even sign a veteran QB like Cousins or Smith. For one- Smith is a bandaid. You can get the same production from Kevin Hogan as you get from Cousins.
You draft Barkley 1st and then zero in on the QB that you want at 4.
CLE- #1
NY- #2
INDY- #3
CLE- #4
You guys get too caught up in thinking because we select 4th that we're getting the 4th best QB. No, no, no, no... that isn't how it's going to happen-
CLE - #1 - Barkley
NY - #2 - They are going with Eli for a while longer so it's hard to tell what they will do, they may fortify the OL, get Eli some help in taking a player like Barkley(if he's available), they might go defense, there are a number of edge rushers and players like Fitzpatrick that are in play. Their QB is their biggest strength and it would not help them win now by taking a QB. But they may.
INDY - #3 - They aren't going to draft a QB. They are taking the best player available. OL to help protect their already huge investment in Luck or trying to get him so help at RB or WR, they may also go Defense early here.
CLE - #4- Despite all the QB talk, I'm not sold on Rosen, Darnold, Allen, Mayfield or Rudolph. Even so, if the Browns FO is comfortable with one of these guys then you have your pick.
I just want to make sure everyone sees this.
Alex give me "3 Poe'ny Tales" for $500.00
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You don't solve the QB issue by simply throwing a #1 pick on it. That's lazy and it's still not a guaranteed sure thing. There are countless examples of players looking the part in college and they fold in the pros. If you pick the guy #1 or #4 it doesn't mean he's going to be better... Not unless your talking about Saquon. He's going to try and be the strongest player on the team. SuperSaquon. lol
The secret of getting ahead is getting started. The secret of getting started is breaking your complex overwhelming tasks into small manageable tasks, and then starting on the first one. -Mark Twain- "It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog." -Mark Twain- -
You don't solve the QB issue by simply throwing a #1 pick on it. That's lazy and it's still not a guaranteed sure thing. There are countless examples of players looking the part in college and they fold in the pros. If you pick the guy #1 or #4 it doesn't mean he's going to be better... Not unless your talking about Saquon. He's going to try and be the strongest player on the team. SuperSaquon. lol
You don't solve the QB issue by simply throwing a #1 pick on it. That's lazy and it's still not a guaranteed sure thing. There are countless examples of players looking the part in college and they fold in the pros. If you pick the guy #1 or #4 it doesn't mean he's going to be better... Not unless your talking about Saquon. He's going to try and be the strongest player on the team. SuperSaquon. lol
According to the NFL scouts, Barkley won’t even go in the top 7. They’re saying the media is higher on him. I’d trust the NFL guys over the media.
Plus Voch Lombardi has concerns about Barkley. And I’ve never seen that guy be wrong.
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You don't solve the QB issue by simply throwing a #1 pick on it. That's lazy and it's still not a guaranteed sure thing. There are countless examples of players looking the part in college and they fold in the pros. If you pick the guy #1 or #4 it doesn't mean he's going to be better... Not unless your talking about Saquon. He's going to try and be the strongest player on the team. SuperSaquon. lol
According to the NFL scouts, Barkley won’t even go in the top 7. They’re saying the media is higher on him. I’d trust the NFL guys over the media.
Plus Voch Lombardi has concerns about Barkley. And I’ve never seen that guy be wrong.
According to the NFL scouts, Barkley won’t even go in the top 7. They’re saying the media is higher on him. I’d trust the NFL guys over the media.
Plus Voch Lombardi has concerns about Barkley. And I’ve never seen that guy be wrong.
I think you should watch Voch again... he says Barkley is not human.
My favorite part is right at 13:00 min
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You don't solve the QB issue by simply throwing a #1 pick on it. That's lazy and it's still not a guaranteed sure thing. There are countless examples of players looking the part in college and they fold in the pros. If you pick the guy #1 or #4 it doesn't mean he's going to be better... Not unless your talking about Saquon. He's going to try and be the strongest player on the team. SuperSaquon. lol
You don't solve the QB issue by simply throwing a #1 pick on it. That's lazy and it's still not a guaranteed sure thing. There are countless examples of players looking the part in college and they fold in the pros. If you pick the guy #1 or #4 it doesn't mean he's going to be better... Not unless your talking about Saquon. He's going to try and be the strongest player on the team. SuperSaquon. lol
So every players this year and in years past was prone to not be worth #1 pick or prone to be a bust, but Barkley isn't?
There are players who looked the part in college but folded in the pros, but Barkley is exempt from being just like them? What makes Barkley different than ANY other person
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You don't solve the QB issue by simply throwing a #1 pick on it. That's lazy and it's still not a guaranteed sure thing. There are countless examples of players looking the part in college and they fold in the pros. If you pick the guy #1 or #4 it doesn't mean he's going to be better... Not unless your talking about Saquon. He's going to try and be the strongest player on the team. SuperSaquon. lol
So every players this year and in years past was prone to not be worth #1 pick or prone to be a bust, but Barkley isn't?
There are players who looked the part in college but folded in the pros, but Barkley is exempt from being just like them? What makes Barkley different than ANY other person
So every players this year and in years past was prone to not be worth #1 pick or prone to be a bust, but Barkley isn't?
There are players who looked the part in college but folded in the pros, but Barkley is exempt from being just like them? What makes Barkley different than ANY other person
That is exactly my point. That is the excuse we keep seeing for taking Barkley at #1. Oh, he's such a talented player, but you can get the same thing later in the draft.
It is the same for every player. You have to look at the player, regardless of position, there are no true clones. Only similar, not the same.. So Barkley is a rare talent, from his skill set and abilities. His strength, he's so strong and fast. He has ZERO character concerns, he's a leader and a quality individual. If you can't find a QB to be the face of a franchise then Barkley is not a bad consolation prize. We have NO IDENTITY. Barkley gives us that, and it's one that can be rallied behind. Rosen/Darnold would just be another name on that jersey
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I watch football for entertainment and Barkley is fun to watch. If the team goes 1-15 next year and he has 2000 yards from scrimmage, great pick.
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I just want to make sure everyone sees this.
He is a troll or his mom is blood relations to his dad.
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I just want to make sure everyone sees this.
Duly noted.
That is exactly my point. That is the excuse we keep seeing for taking Barkley at #1. Oh, he's such a talented player, but you can get the same thing later in the draft.
It is the same for every player. You have to look at the player, regardless of position, there are no true clones. Only similar, not the same.. So Barkley is a rare talent, from his skill set and abilities. His strength, he's so strong and fast. He has ZERO character concerns, he's a leader and a quality individual. If you can't find a QB to be the face of a franchise then Barkley is not a bad consolation prize. We have NO IDENTITY. Barkley gives us that, and it's one that can be rallied behind. Rosen/Darnold would just be another name on that jersey
Lalalala. You're not listening Po. So you want to denigrate Darnold Rosen? STFU already.
THE GREATEST RUNNING BACKS OF ALL TIME WEREN'T DRAFTED #1 OVERALL. BUT IN YOU ADDLED MIND SAQUON IS GOING TO BE BETTER THAN ALL OF THEM. YOUR TRACK RECORD ON RUNNING BACKS ISN'T ALL THAT GREAT IN THAT RESPECT- SO GO HUG YOUR TRENT RICHARDSON PILLOW TONIGHT.
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According to the NFL scouts, Barkley won’t even go in the top 7. They’re saying the media is higher on him. I’d trust the NFL guys over the media.
Plus Voch Lombardi has concerns about Barkley. And I’ve never seen that guy be wrong.
I think you should watch Voch again... he says Barkley is not human.
My favorite part is right at 13:00 min
I think you should watch Voch again... he says Barkley is not human.
My favorite part is right at 13:00 min
Clearly we all see the freakish athleticism. But he has concerns, especially pass blocking. Don’t cherrypick one part of what Voch said.
Compare Voch’s Barkley video to his Leonard Fournette video, they are wayyy different. The dude was in love with Fournette, and this year he was a rookie that played like a veteran.
No one is saying Barkley won’t be good, or even great. But he’s far from the sure thing you’re certain he is.
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Po loves him some highlight films and I've explain many a time those mean absolutely nothing compared to posting full games. There are other backs in this draft who will have better careers.
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