A Chiefs fan assesment of Alex Smith and Pat Mahomes
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Good post Pat Mahomo.
Funny thing is this...this fall on our RV trip to Texas, we stopped a a campground for a couple nights in Missouri. Some Chiefs fans came over and were pretty cool, they saw my Browns flag.
We talked about the QBs of both franchises. As bad as the Browns record has been, the Browns have actually had more success in the last 40-50 years with the QB situation as a whole than the Chiefs. How weird that we agreed on that? The Chiefs have had Len Dawson, Joe Montana, and Alex Smith, none of them drafted, and the rest are marginal. Todd Blackledge may have been their best QB drafted, that's it.
I'm not anti-Smith, but not a huge fan either. We're so dam desperate around here, so of course it's worth a look. If he was a bit younger, and a FA, I'd say go for it easily.
Rumors, and they're hard to believe, was Arians and Hue wanted Mahomes in the worst way. The Chiefs puled the trigger, and now maybe have finally found their guy.
Lastly, when I was a kid growing up, my second-favorite rivalry was Oakland-KC. It was just as intense as Cle-Pitt.
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There's a broken turnstile at the Brook Park rapid station, that some Browns fans have affectionately referred to as "Cam".
I see our name generator is back on duty. It's been a while.
There's a broken turnstile at the Brook Park rapid station, that some Browns fans have affectionately referred to as "Cam".
Priceless...
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Many fans have mentioned Josh Gordon or Bitonio. Pretty much all of us in KC, myself included, have no realistic idea about your roster or the availability of the players on it. Depending on who you ask, and how much they they love or hate Smith (it's 50/50 in KC) you'll get different answers. ....The trade for Cam Erving...we gave up I think a 5th rounder? .....to me that's more or less a lottery ticket pick that we spent to see if we could get something out of a former first rounder...so I like the trade in that sense....from what I saw of Erving play....I can see why you all traded him. For such a physical specimen, he way underplays his tools. He looked lost and timid. Our left guard might be the worst starting guard in all of the NFL and Erving couldn't beat him out (Witzmann in case you are wondering)
Regarding Gordon or Bitonio, no way Jose. If we trade for Smith, it will be for draft picks (we have plenty) not players. Any thoughts on what you guys might want for him? Our two high first round picks aren't available for a player like Smith. Talk here has been all over the map. MHO one of our seconds (not #33) is fair compensation. Deal?
PS, regarding Erving he was so terrible we would have paid for his plane ticket out of town. We were shocked we got anything for him. When he wasn't ole-ing in pass pro, he was missing down field blocks. For added humor, he got pancaked a few times.
Regarding Gordon or Bitonio, no way Jose. If we trade for Smith, it will be for draft picks (we have plenty) not players. Any thoughts on what you guys might want for him? Our two high first round picks aren't available for a player like Smith. Talk here has been all over the map. MHO one of our seconds (not #33) is fair compensation. Deal?
PS, regarding Erving he was so terrible we would have paid for his plane ticket out of town. We were shocked we got anything for him. When he wasn't oleing in pass pro, he was missing down field blocks. For added humor, he got pancaked a few times.
He pancaked himself a few times.
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Good post Pat Mahomo.
Funny thing is this...this fall on our RV trip to Texas, we stopped a a campground for a couple nights in Missouri. Some Chiefs fans came over and were pretty cool, they saw my Browns flag.
We talked about the QBs of both franchises. As bad as the Browns record has been, the Browns have actually had more success in the last 40-50 years with the QB situation as a whole than the Chiefs. How weird that we agreed on that? The Chiefs have had Len Dawson, Joe Montana, and Alex Smith, none of them drafted, and the rest are marginal. Todd Blackledge may have been their best QB drafted, that's it.
I'm not anti-Smith, but not a huge fan either. We're so dam desperate around here, so of course it's worth a look. If he was a bit younger, and a FA, I'd say go for it easily.
Rumors, and they're hard to believe, was Arians and Hue wanted Mahomes in the worst way. The Chiefs puled the trigger, and now maybe have finally found their guy.
Lastly, when I was a kid growing up, my second-favorite rivalry was Oakland-KC. It was just as intense as Cle-Pitt.
Good post Pat Mahomo.
Funny thing is this...this fall on our RV trip to Texas, we stopped a a campground for a couple nights in Missouri. Some Chiefs fans came over and were pretty cool, they saw my Browns flag.
We talked about the QBs of both franchises. As bad as the Browns record has been, the Browns have actually had more success in the last 40-50 years with the QB situation as a whole than the Chiefs. How weird that we agreed on that? The Chiefs have had Len Dawson, Joe Montana, and Alex Smith, none of them drafted, and the rest are marginal. Todd Blackledge may have been their best QB drafted, that's it.
I'm not anti-Smith, but not a huge fan either. We're so dam desperate around here, so of course it's worth a look. If he was a bit younger, and a FA, I'd say go for it easily.
Rumors, and they're hard to believe, was Arians and Hue wanted Mahomes in the worst way. The Chiefs puled the trigger, and now maybe have finally found their guy.
Lastly, when I was a kid growing up, my second-favorite rivalry was Oakland-KC. It was just as intense as Cle-Pitt.
Boy, isn't that the truth about the Chiefs and the QBs they drafted. You mentioned Blackledge...he was the ONE certified bust of the 1983 first round. The others......3 HOF....1 other that took a team to a Super Bowl (Eason)...and another fine QB in O'Brien (he had a winning record vs. Marino...and may have done the same vs. Elway and Kelly...not sure. Blackledge though...the second guy taken after Elway....a shattered vase.
As for their QBs drafted....their best is Steve Fuller....which does not say much.:
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Rk Year Rnd Pick Pos DrAge From To AP1 PB St CarAV G GS QBrec Cmp Att Yds TD Int Att Yds TD College/Univ 1 2017 1 10 Patrick Mahomes QB 21 2017 2017 0 0 0 1 1 1 1-0-0 22 35 284 0 1 7 10 0 Texas Tech College Stats 2 2016 5 162 Kevin Hogan QB 23 2016 2017 0 0 0 2 8 1 0-1-0 60 101 621 4 7 18 176 1 Stanford College Stats 3 2014 5 163 Aaron Murray QB 23 0 0 0 Georgia College Stats 4 2011 5 135 Ricky Stanzi QB 24 2012 2012 0 0 0 0 Iowa 5 2006 3 85 Brodie Croyle QB 23 2006 2010 0 0 0 2 18 10 0-10-0 181 319 1669 8 9 10 15 0 Alabama College Stats 6 2005 7 229 James Kilian QB 0 0 0 Tulsa College Stats 7 1997 4 110 Pat Barnes QB 22 1999 1999 0 0 0 0 1 0 California College Stats 8 1995 4 134 Steve Stenstrom QB 23 1996 1999 0 0 0 6 17 10 1-9-0 177 314 1895 4 12 22 100 2 Stanford College Stats 9 1994 7 199 Steve Matthews QB 23 1997 1998 0 0 0 1 3 1 1-0-0 28 43 299 0 0 1 10 0 Memphis College Stats 10 1992 2 40 Matt Blundin QB 23 1993 1997 0 0 0 0 3 0 2 9 15 0 2 Virginia College Stats 11 1989 2 32 Mike Elkins QB 23 1989 1989 0 0 0 0 1 0 1 2 5 0 1 Wake Forest College Stats 12 1988 11 282 Danny McManus QB 0 0 0 Florida St. College Stats 13 1987 7 186 Doug Hudson QB 22 1987 1987 0 0 0 0 1 1 0-1-0 0 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 Nicholls St. 14 1983 1 7 Todd Blackledge QB 22 1983 1989 0 0 0 12 46 29 15-14-0 424 881 5286 29 38 81 325 2 Penn St. College Stats 15 1981 12 319 Bob Gagliano QB 23 1982 1992 0 0 0 13 32 13 7-6-0 249 486 3431 17 27 93 352 4 Utah St. College Stats 16 1979 1 23 Steve Fuller QB 22 1979 1986 0 0 2 29 90 42 19-23-0 605 1066 7156 28 41 186 908 11 Clemson College Stats 17 1978 4 104 Pete Woods QB 0 0 0 Missouri College Stats 18 1977 10 261 Mark Vitali QB 0 0 0 Purdue College Stats 19 1976 13 361 Joe Bruner QB 0 0 0 La-Monroe College Stats 20 1974 3 66 David Jaynes QB 21 1974 1974 0 0 0 0 2 0 0 2 0 0 1 1 0 0 Kansas College Stats 21 1972 7 179 Dean Carlson QB 22 1974 1974 0 0 0 0 1 0 7 15 116 0 1 2 17 0 Iowa St. College Stats 22 1971 13 328 Chuck Hixson QB 0 0 0 SMU College Stats -
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Alex Smith on the Browns: '1-31 over the last 2 years just sounds amazing'
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2018/01/alex_smith_on_the_browns_1-31.html
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Alex Smith on the Browns: '1-31 over the last 2 years just sounds amazing'
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2018/01/alex_smith_on_the_browns_1-31.html
Alex Smith on the Browns: '1-31 over the last 2 years just sounds amazing'
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2018/01/alex_smith_on_the_browns_1-31.html
Here's the podcast link... comment is made around 6:00 mark, but listen from around 5:00 mark for context.
What Alex is reflecting is why he's our best chance at a high quality vet.
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Alex Smith on the Browns: '1-31 over the last 2 years just sounds amazing'
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2018/01/alex_smith_on_the_browns_1-31.html
Alex Smith on the Browns: '1-31 over the last 2 years just sounds amazing'
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2018/01/alex_smith_on_the_browns_1-31.html
Well...it is amazing. How can a team be that bad if they are not trying to be that bad.
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Regarding Gordon or Bitonio, no way Jose. If we trade for Smith, it will be for draft picks (we have plenty) not players. Any thoughts on what you guys might want for him? Our two high first round picks aren't available for a player like Smith. Talk here has been all over the map. MHO one of our seconds (not #33) is fair compensation. Deal?
2nd ?.......NO DEAL !
Game changers are available in the 2nd Round. Some teams find them. Some teams don't. Don't waste a valuable 2nd Round pick on a QB who is approaching "journeyman" status.
2nd ?.......NO DEAL !
Game changers are available in the 2nd Round. Some teams find them. Some teams don't. Don't waste a valuable 2nd Round pick on a QB who is approaching "journeyman" status.
As I mentioned- there's debate on how much Smith is worth. I told the crazies we're not getting Smith and draft picks, like the Osweiler deal turned out. So where will the bidding start, and what's your limit as how high you'd go for Smith?
You probably already know I'm averse to backing up the Brinks for Cousins. Of interest to the Browns on the QB front will be how AJ McCarron's appeal turns out. RFA as opposed to UFA. May be interested if the price is right UFA (beware a guy who can't beat out Andy Dalton) but RFA at a second round tender? Forget it. He's not worth our #33. Hopefully Dorsey has more sense than Hue when it comes to evaluating QBs.
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Alex Smith on the Browns: '1-31 over the last 2 years just sounds amazing'
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2018/01/alex_smith_on_the_browns_1-31.html
Well...it is amazing. How can a team be that bad if they are not trying to be that bad.
Well...it is amazing. How can a team be that bad if they are not trying to be that bad.
Practice.....
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Alex Smith on the Browns: '1-31 over the last 2 years just sounds amazing'
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2018/01/alex_smith_on_the_browns_1-31.html
Well...it is amazing. How can a team be that bad if they are not trying to be that bad.
Well...it is amazing. How can a team be that bad if they are not trying to be that bad.
I think they were trying to be that bad. Not the players, but the front office that is.
The reason we never see nba rebuilds in the NFL is starting that many first and second year players is guaranteeing a lousy season, especially when your QB is 21 years old.
Historically speaking, a 21 year old QB having a good rookie season is the exception, not the rule. The more I look at it, the more I realize how serious Sashi was when he said the team wouldn’t be able to compete until year 3. Cutting the vets loose, shopping for bargain bin QBs, trading down like madmen.... it all adds up to what we got, 2 miserable years, and treasure trove of off season assets to build for the third year. 6 of the top 65 picks, and 110 mil in cap space is lunacy.
while Sashi was the sacrificial lamb, there wasn’t exactly a complete FO overhaul, which tells me that the FO at least mostly did what they said they’d do, even if the fans don’t like it.
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welcome & thanks KC-homer..agree with your opinion on McHolmes...A) what player trade position would you consider in Smith trade (DT/WR,,,)? Your opinion on Cam Erving trade?
Many fans have mentioned Josh Gordon or Bitonio. Pretty much all of us in KC, myself included, have no realistic idea about your roster or the availability of the players on it. Depending on who you ask, and how much they they love or hate Smith (it's 50/50 in KC) you'll get different answers. ....The trade for Cam Erving...we gave up I think a 5th rounder? .....to me that's more or less a lottery ticket pick that we spent to see if we could get something out of a former first rounder...so I like the trade in that sense....from what I saw of Erving play....I can see why you all traded him. For such a physical specimen, he way underplays his tools. He looked lost and timid. Our left guard might be the worst starting guard in all of the NFL and Erving couldn't beat him out (Witzmann in case you are wondering)
Many fans have mentioned Josh Gordon or Bitonio. Pretty much all of us in KC, myself included, have no realistic idea about your roster or the availability of the players on it.
Most teams Gm's won't consider Gordon as a trade-able asset as of yet..maybe trade deadline? Forget Bitonio..this past off season Joel was re-up'd to a 6 year deal till 2023..Sashi got that one right..ok maybe two? Cam-Stile Erv cost KC your 5th..Timid is a good word for Cam, that Kiper & many others need to learn..
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welcome & thanks KC-homer..agree with your opinion on McHolmes...A) what player trade position would you consider in Smith trade (DT/WR,,,)? Your opinion on Cam Erving trade?
Many fans have mentioned Josh Gordon or Bitonio. Pretty much all of us in KC, myself included, have no realistic idea about your roster or the availability of the players on it. Depending on who you ask, and how much they they love or hate Smith (it's 50/50 in KC) you'll get different answers. ....The trade for Cam Erving...we gave up I think a 5th rounder? .....to me that's more or less a lottery ticket pick that we spent to see if we could get something out of a former first rounder...so I like the trade in that sense....from what I saw of Erving play....I can see why you all traded him. For such a physical specimen, he way underplays his tools. He looked lost and timid. Our left guard might be the worst starting guard in all of the NFL and Erving couldn't beat him out (Witzmann in case you are wondering)
from what I saw of Erving play....I can see why you all traded him. For such a physical specimen, he way underplays his tools. He looked lost and timid. Our left guard might be the worst starting guard in all of the NFL and Erving couldn't beat him out
...he's pretty pathetic. And he's an example of why we haven't improved. First round picks have to move your team forward...not backwards.
Good luck with Mahomes. I was hoping that we might've walked away from the draft with him. Instead we wound up with Peppers...who they let stand at the opposite end of the field like a goalie.
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Alex Smith to Washington for a 3rd was announced last night.
That must mean Cousins to the Browns.
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Alex Smith to Washington for a 3rd was announced last night.
That must mean Cousins to the Browns.
Alex Smith to Washington for a 3rd was announced last night.
That must mean Cousins to the Browns.
Not necessarily.
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Alex Smith to Washington for a 3rd was announced last night.
That must mean Cousins to the Browns.
Not necessarily.
Not necessarily.
Killjoy!
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Not necessarily.
Killjoy!
Killjoy!
Delusion breaker. Want to go over to the political board?
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Killjoy!
Delusion breaker. Want to go over to the political board?
Delusion breaker. Want to go over to the political board?
I prefer staying over here, and make the Browns great again!
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Delusion breaker. Want to go over to the political board?
I prefer staying over here, and make the Browns great again!
I prefer staying over here, and make the Browns great again!
LOL! Me too most of the time, but it is fun to go tweak a tail or two now and again.
Sorry about your Dad. Just read that on another thread.
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I prefer staying over here, and make the Browns great again!
LOL! Me too most of the time, but it is fun to go tweak a tail or two now and again.
Sorry about your Dad. Just read that on another thread.
LOL! Me too most of the time, but it is fun to go tweak a tail or two now and again.
Sorry about your Dad. Just read that on another thread.
He was the guy responsible for making me a Browns fan.
Would that be considered a family curse these days?
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