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  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    @the-gipper said:

    Problem is that the Browns have had success drafting OL....Thomas, Mack, Bito, Faine...etc.   Only real miss was Erving.

    Certainly true in the top three rounds or so. Before Cam you have to go back to Fowler in '02 or Ed King in '91 to find a hint of a miss in rounds 1 thru 3.

    However, the other side of the coin is equally true, i.e., we haven't unearthed a quality, OL starter in Rnd 4 or later since.... Winters in '87? You'd think at "a dime a dozen" we would have had more late-round success than that. 😉

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    @tour2ma said:

    Certainly true in the top three rounds or so. Before Cam you have to go back to Fowler in '02 or Ed King in '91 to find a hint of a miss in rounds 1 thru 3.

    However, the other side of the coin is equally true, i.e., we haven't unearthed a quality, OL starter in Rnd 4 or later since.... Winters in '87? You'd think at "a dime a dozen" we would have had more late-round success than that. 😉

    "A dime a dozen" maybe correct about lawyers, ever seen the yellow pages? 😆 JUST KIDDING GIP.   But for a good starting OL that's going to be there for 10 years to get some continuity with his line-mates I'd take a 1st or 2nd round shot at an OL, especially if you've two.

    Now highest on the dime list maybe RBs, some LBs maybe long snappers or TEs? 

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      @tour2ma said:

      Certainly true in the top three rounds or so. Before Cam you have to go back to Fowler in '02 or Ed King in '91 to find a hint of a miss in rounds 1 thru 3.

      However, the other side of the coin is equally true, i.e., we haven't unearthed a quality, OL starter in Rnd 4 or later since.... Winters in '87? You'd think at "a dime a dozen" we would have had more late-round success than that. 😉

      "A dime a dozen" maybe correct about lawyers, ever seen the yellow pages? 😆 JUST KIDDING GIP.   But for a good starting OL that's going to be there for 10 years to get some continuity with his line-mates I'd take a 1st or 2nd round shot at an OL, especially if you've two.

      Now highest on the dime list maybe RBs, some LBs maybe long snappers or TEs? 

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      @mjp28 said:

      "A dime a dozen" maybe correct about lawyers, ever seen the yellow pages? 😆 JUST KIDDING GIP.   But for a good starting OL that's going to be there for 10 years to get some continuity with his line-mates I'd take a 1st or 2nd round shot at an OL, especially if you've two.

      Now highest on the dime list maybe RBs, some LBs maybe long snappers or TEs? 

      It would take a fair amount of work, but it'd be interesting to examine the league-wide bust and "dime" percentages for each position.

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        @mjp28 said:

        "A dime a dozen" maybe correct about lawyers, ever seen the yellow pages? 😆 JUST KIDDING GIP.   But for a good starting OL that's going to be there for 10 years to get some continuity with his line-mates I'd take a 1st or 2nd round shot at an OL, especially if you've two.

        Now highest on the dime list maybe RBs, some LBs maybe long snappers or TEs? 

        It would take a fair amount of work, but it'd be interesting to examine the league-wide bust and "dime" percentages for each position.

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        @tour2ma said:

        It would take a fair amount of work, but it'd be interesting to examine the league-wide bust and "dime" percentages for each position.

        Where's Gip he likes to do this stuff.....and he's good at it.

        ....... (just trying to get back on his good side 😆 )

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          @tour2ma said:

          Certainly true in the top three rounds or so. Before Cam you have to go back to Fowler in '02 or Ed King in '91 to find a hint of a miss in rounds 1 thru 3.

          However, the other side of the coin is equally true, i.e., we haven't unearthed a quality, OL starter in Rnd 4 or later since.... Winters in '87? You'd think at "a dime a dozen" we would have had more late-round success than that. 😉

          "A dime a dozen" maybe correct about lawyers, ever seen the yellow pages? 😆 JUST KIDDING GIP.   But for a good starting OL that's going to be there for 10 years to get some continuity with his line-mates I'd take a 1st or 2nd round shot at an OL, especially if you've two.

          Now highest on the dime list maybe RBs, some LBs maybe long snappers or TEs? 

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          The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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          @mjp28 said:

          "A dime a dozen" maybe correct about lawyers, ever seen the yellow pages? 😆 JUST KIDDING GIP.   But for a good starting OL that's going to be there for 10 years to get some continuity with his line-mates I'd take a 1st or 2nd round shot at an OL, especially if you've two.

          Now highest on the dime list maybe RBs, some LBs maybe long snappers or TEs? 

          There are certainly more than enough lawyers around....you don't have to tell me.  It is partially why I am on the verge of partial retirement.

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            @tour2ma said:

            It would take a fair amount of work, but it'd be interesting to examine the league-wide bust and "dime" percentages for each position.

            Where's Gip he likes to do this stuff.....and he's good at it.

            ....... (just trying to get back on his good side 😆 )

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            @mjp28 said:

            Where's Gip he likes to do this stuff.....and he's good at it.

            ....... (just trying to get back on his good side 😆 )

            Like the Army....he who has an idea is responsible for running with it.

            Though...sometimes we do need help locating information.

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              @babernakle said:

              One thing is for sure the browns are on the cusp of a great beginning. The a new oc and a gm that can find the diamonds in the draft. A few big pieces remain.  For instance the line there are holes they need filled and we have thenpicks to do it with the first two picks give me Mike McGlinchey and Orlando Brown bring over Kirk and bring back prior I believe that’s a top ten offense.  Spend the rest of the picks on d.  Boom start the Winning.  

              I am sure using the first 2 picks of the draft on the O line will go down great on here 🙂

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              @darren15 said:

              I am sure using the first 2 picks of the draft on the O line will go down great on here 🙂

              😆 We know it's not happening...  

              @7moses7 said:

              someone better erase this thread before Ghoolie see's it , drafting 2 OT with the first 2 picks he'll have an epic meltdown !!!!

              It would  have a positive effect on the board. Ghoolie's head would explode, and we wouldn't have to deal with him anymore....  

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                jiggins7919J jiggins7919 wrote on last edited by
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                Let's win now imploded when Alex Smith went to the freaking Redskins. And don't say anything about Kirk Cousins...he's not coming here. (fun fact! Only a few years ago we could've gotten Cousins for a 2nd round pick but we said no). 

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                  Let's win now imploded when Alex Smith went to the freaking Redskins. And don't say anything about Kirk Cousins...he's not coming here. (fun fact! Only a few years ago we could've gotten Cousins for a 2nd round pick but we said no). 

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                  @jiggins7919 said:

                  Let's win now imploded when Alex Smith went to the freaking Redskins. And don't say anything about Kirk Cousins...he's not coming here. (fun fact! Only a few years ago we could've gotten Cousins for a 2nd round pick but we said no). 

                  I'm just waiting to open my computer or see the local TV news say  "BROWNS SIGN COUSINS", but I'm also waiting for the Indians and Cavaliers to win it all. 😆

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                    One thing is for sure the browns are on the cusp of a great beginning. The a new oc and a gm that can find the diamonds in the draft. A few big pieces remain.  For instance the line there are holes they need filled and we have thenpicks to do it with the first two picks give me Mike McGlinchey and Orlando Brown bring over Kirk and bring back prior I believe that’s a top ten offense.  Spend the rest of the picks on d.  Boom start the Winning.  

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                    @babernakle said:

                    One thing is for sure the browns are on the cusp of a great beginning. The a new oc and a gm that can find the diamonds in the draft. A few big pieces remain.  For instance the line there are holes they need filled and we have thenpicks to do it with the first two picks give me Mike McGlinchey and Orlando Brown bring over Kirk and bring back prior I believe that’s a top ten offense.  Spend the rest of the picks on d.  Boom start the Winning.  

                    "Let's win now".......*drafts two o linemen in the top five picks*

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                      @babernakle said:

                      One thing is for sure the browns are on the cusp of a great beginning. The a new oc and a gm that can find the diamonds in the draft. A few big pieces remain.  For instance the line there are holes they need filled and we have thenpicks to do it with the first two picks give me Mike McGlinchey and Orlando Brown bring over Kirk and bring back prior I believe that’s a top ten offense.  Spend the rest of the picks on d.  Boom start the Winning.  

                      "Let's win now".......*drafts two o linemen in the top five picks*

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                      @logicisforsquares said:

                      "Let's win now".......*drafts two o linemen in the top five picks*

                      Yeah...

                      then add "win now" and "cusp of a great beginning" and...

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                        @babernakle said:

                        One thing is for sure the browns are on the cusp of a great beginning. The a new oc and a gm that can find the diamonds in the draft. A few big pieces remain.  For instance the line there are holes they need filled and we have thenpicks to do it with the first two picks give me Mike McGlinchey and Orlando Brown bring over Kirk and bring back prior I believe that’s a top ten offense.  Spend the rest of the picks on d.  Boom start the Winning.  

                        "Let's win now".......*drafts two o linemen in the top five picks*

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                        @logicisforsquares said:

                        "Let's win now".......*drafts two o linemen in the top five picks*

                        When there's nothing wrong with the line.   Most if not all of the sacks last season were due to Kizer holding the ball too long.   We will need someone to replace Thomas at some point, but not yet. 

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                          @logicisforsquares said:

                          "Let's win now".......*drafts two o linemen in the top five picks*

                          When there's nothing wrong with the line.   Most if not all of the sacks last season were due to Kizer holding the ball too long.   We will need someone to replace Thomas at some point, but not yet. 

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                          @mark-o said:

                          When there's nothing wrong with the line.   Most if not all of the sacks last season were due to Kizer holding the ball too long.   We will need someone to replace Thomas at some point, but not yet. 

                          Joe's heir apparent may need to be drafted at some point during the first 3 rounds this year or next for sure.

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                            @mark-o said:

                            When there's nothing wrong with the line.   Most if not all of the sacks last season were due to Kizer holding the ball too long.   We will need someone to replace Thomas at some point, but not yet. 

                            Joe's heir apparent may need to be drafted at some point during the first 3 rounds this year or next for sure.

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                            @logicisforsquares said:

                            Joe's heir apparent may need to be drafted at some point during the first 3 rounds this year or next for sure.

                            I'd prefer to wait till next year but if theres a guy there in round 3 that would be a good pick up.

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                              @mark-o said:

                              When there's nothing wrong with the line.   Most if not all of the sacks last season were due to Kizer holding the ball too long.   We will need someone to replace Thomas at some point, but not yet. 

                              Joe's heir apparent may need to be drafted at some point during the first 3 rounds this year or next for sure.

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                              @logicisforsquares said:

                              Joe's heir apparent may need to be drafted at some point during the first 3 rounds this year or next for sure.

                              What aboot Rod Johnson?    *(yes...I went Canadian on you).

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                                @jiggins7919 said:

                                Let's win now imploded when Alex Smith went to the freaking Redskins. And don't say anything about Kirk Cousins...he's not coming here. (fun fact! Only a few years ago we could've gotten Cousins for a 2nd round pick but we said no). 

                                I'm just waiting to open my computer or see the local TV news say  "BROWNS SIGN COUSINS", but I'm also waiting for the Indians and Cavaliers to win it all. 😆

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                                @mjp28 said:

                                I'm just waiting to open my computer or see the local TV news say  "BROWNS SIGN COUSINS", but I'm also waiting for the Indians and Cavaliers to win it all. 😆

                                Hehehehe. Just so you aren't waiting for a miracle, repeat after me. "Kirk Cousins will never sign with the Browns. Ever, ever, ever, EVER." 

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                                  @mjp28 said:

                                  I'm just waiting to open my computer or see the local TV news say  "BROWNS SIGN COUSINS", but I'm also waiting for the Indians and Cavaliers to win it all. 😆

                                  Hehehehe. Just so you aren't waiting for a miracle, repeat after me. "Kirk Cousins will never sign with the Browns. Ever, ever, ever, EVER." 

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                                  @jiggins7919 said:

                                  Hehehehe. Just so you aren't waiting for a miracle, repeat after me. "Kirk Cousins will never sign with the Browns. Ever, ever, ever, EVER." 

                                  Well.....as I heard on the radio this afternoon:    You will know what Cousins is all about based on where he signs.  If he signs with the Browns or Jets....then he is ALL about the money.  If he signs with the Vikings, Jags, Broncos...then he is about winning. 

                                  So....riddle me this:   After receiving the franchise tag 2 years running this cat has made a LOT of money.   Hasn't he made like 40 million just the last couple of years?

                                  (actually...it is 43.9 million).   All told, the team has paid Cousins $43.9 million over the last two seasons. And should the Redskins choose again not to give their franchise quarterback a long-term contract, or franchise him to the tune of $34.5 million in 2018, he would become a much-sought-after free agent. And to hear Cousins tell it, he's at least interested in the prospect of, in the simplest terms, going to a team that appreciates his worth and has a chance to win the Super Bowl.

                                  He claims he is all about winning:

                                  https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/kirk-cousins-its-not-all-about-money-qb-is-willing-to-make-sacrifices-to-be-on-a-winner/

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                                    @logicisforsquares said:

                                    Joe's heir apparent may need to be drafted at some point during the first 3 rounds this year or next for sure.

                                    What aboot Rod Johnson?    *(yes...I went Canadian on you).

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                                    @the-gipper said:

                                    What aboot Rod Johnson?    *(yes...I went Canadian on you).

                                    You said "Rod Johnson"... uhhuhhuhhuhhuh...

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                                      @the-gipper said:

                                      What aboot Rod Johnson?    *(yes...I went Canadian on you).

                                      You said "Rod Johnson"... uhhuhhuhhuhhuh...

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                                      @dutch-oven said:

                                      You said "Rod Johnson"... uhhuhhuhhuhhuh...

                                      Isn't that his name. The OT that we drafted. Yeah I know

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                                        @mjp28 said:

                                        I'm just waiting to open my computer or see the local TV news say  "BROWNS SIGN COUSINS", but I'm also waiting for the Indians and Cavaliers to win it all. 😆

                                        Hehehehe. Just so you aren't waiting for a miracle, repeat after me. "Kirk Cousins will never sign with the Browns. Ever, ever, ever, EVER." 

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                                        @jiggins7919 said:

                                        Hehehehe. Just so you aren't waiting for a miracle, repeat after me. "Kirk Cousins will never sign with the Browns. Ever, ever, ever, EVER." 

                                        But I have a dream......OK so I don't, I'm a pragmatic realist, I give up. The BROWNS will draft one of these super rookies they'll flop and Kizer will start the next 15 games.

                                        Maybe a 0.01% chance  Cousins will be a brownie?  🙁

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                                          Ya know, I always seem to agree that our OL could use improving.  And the situation with JT could make things interesting with the OL and the draft.

                                          Having said that, we need playmakers!  We need a QB...the best one in the draft.  A WR.  It's a good draft to pick up a RB without using a top 5 pick on one.  We've gotta have SOMEone play free safety so that they can move Peppers somewhere within ear-shot of the LOS.  -  Kryst Sake.......the QB yells HIKE and he doesn't hear it for two full seconds.

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