Camp Barkley #1 Overall
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We could:
Free Agency- Cousins, Pryor
Draft- Barkley, Mayfield
Barkley looks like the next Marshall Faulk. Mayfield looks like the next Drew Brees. Sounds good. Gordon makes them a sweet triplets. Barkley and Mayfield are the safest bets to turn this offense and potentially the entire franchise around.
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Tom,
I think scenario draft plans are exactly why the Browns keep getting the short end of the draft. This business of taking the best available player available is not enough. Everyone does that. Since 1999 the Browns have not had one-single remarkable draft. THe Browns are not going to ever gain ground on the top teams by having unremarkable drafts. In 2017, the Bears had a remarkable draft.
Just taking two players when their turns come up, isn't going to do jack schidt.
Whoever the QB is, the Browns need to take him, But that is also not enough. For the Browns to have a remarkable draft, they need to surprise and be bold in round #1.
If it is my team?
I am taking the QB I want, I am taking Barkley, and I am taking the best WR in the draft. To do that, the Browns need to pick #1, #2, and Perhaps #5. With the 4th pick, I would draft a monster to play next to homosexual Myles Garrett. Garrett needs someone to take the double teams away so his speed can serve our defense.
SO, how do you get #1, #2 and #4 (or 5)? Trade UP................
Joe Thomas and the #4 to get to 2? Corey Coleman and next year's #1 to get this year's 2?
Don't know, but THAT woudl be a remarkable draft. Picking #1 and hen hoping for the best at #4? Horrible logic.
How do you talk so bad about someone, and then think they can net you a top 5 pick?
Logic wasn't taught to you was it?
Getting top QB, Barkley, and Ridley is a dream that isn't coming true.
It would be better getting QB, DEF, and RB in 2nd.
How do you talk so bad about someone, and then think they can net you a top 5 pick?
Logic wasn't taught to you was it?
Getting top QB, Barkley, and Ridley is a dream that isn't coming true.
It would be better getting QB, DEF, and RB in 2nd.
Just because have a realistic view of Coleman and Thomas, doesn't mean assshole NFL execs have the same smarts.There is enough hype of Blow Thomas.. Use him and Coleman with next year's #1 to net a #1 #2 #5 Anything less, then the Browns are just coasting.
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Tom,
I think scenario draft plans are exactly why the Browns keep getting the short end of the draft. This business of taking the best available player available is not enough. Everyone does that. Since 1999 the Browns have not had one-single remarkable draft. THe Browns are not going to ever gain ground on the top teams by having unremarkable drafts. In 2017, the Bears had a remarkable draft.
Just taking two players when their turns come up, isn't going to do jack schidt.
Whoever the QB is, the Browns need to take him, But that is also not enough. For the Browns to have a remarkable draft, they need to surprise and be bold in round #1.
If it is my team?
I am taking the QB I want, I am taking Barkley, and I am taking the best WR in the draft. To do that, the Browns need to pick #1, #2, and Perhaps #5. With the 4th pick, I would draft a monster to play next to homosexual Myles Garrett. Garrett needs someone to take the double teams away so his speed can serve our defense.
SO, how do you get #1, #2 and #4 (or 5)? Trade UP................
Joe Thomas and the #4 to get to 2? Corey Coleman and next year's #1 to get this year's 2?
Don't know, but THAT woudl be a remarkable draft. Picking #1 and hen hoping for the best at #4? Horrible logic.
A lot of this I agree with Ghoolie. Well done!
I was merely giving Poe my only preferred scenario where we could get Barkley at #4 way easier than he thinks. I think there's going to be a dog fight of the ages watching Elway and Buffalo go at it for Indy's pick at #3 for a QB. Once the first QB comes off the board - the run on them leapfrogs the BPA thing like it usually does. In doing so, no other positions have been drafted by the time #4 comes up and we can either have Barkley or any other pick of the litter. That was my only scenario until you reminded me "if it takes balls to win in this league then show up to the draft with grapefruits and trade-up!"
If you like trading (keep in mind there's a good chance Joe Thomas retires) - the time to trade Josh Gordon couldn't be any better for good value. We can sweeten it up with Corey Coleman. Meanwhile we'll have the money to sign a FA Pro Bowl WR like Jarvis Landry and possibly draft another WR in round 1 via tradeup like you said... I don't know if you've had a chance to see Anthony Miller play there in Memphis but he could be a real nice pick for us in round 2 or 3.
A lot of this I agree with Ghoolie. Well done!
I was merely giving Poe my only preferred scenario where we could get Barkley at #4 way easier than he thinks. I think there's going to be a dog fight of the ages watching Elway and Buffalo go at it for Indy's pick at #3 for a QB. Once the first QB comes off the board - the run on them leapfrogs the BPA thing like it usually does. In doing so, no other positions have been drafted by the time #4 comes up and we can either have Barkley or any other pick of the litter. That was my only scenario until you reminded me "if it takes balls to win in this league then show up to the draft with grapefruits and trade-up!"
If you like trading (keep in mind there's a good chance Joe Thomas retires) - the time to trade Josh Gordon couldn't be any better for good value. We can sweeten it up with Corey Coleman. Meanwhile we'll have the money to sign a FA Pro Bowl WR like Jarvis Landry and possibly draft another WR in round 1 via tradeup like you said... I don't know if you've had a chance to see Anthony Miller play there in Memphis but he could be a real nice pick for us in round 2 or 3.
I have not had the pleasure of seeing him play. Memphis has a really nice program, so, like I did with DeAngelo WIlliams and Paxton, I'll pimp the kid.
Your scenario works just as well, and addresses the same point. The team has to add someone dynamic to the already high picks. FA, or trading next year's #1 with Coleman or whoever to get a 3d high first rounder would be impressive.............. proactive.
All I am saying is that, this needs to be a year where the Browns move at more than just 2 big players.
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It's only been since Wednesday that I last checked this thread and there's 6 more pages?! How?
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Barkley, easy.
Wanna rethink this comment now? You said you would pick Barkley, easy over Gurley, the OFFENSIVE player of the year.
I decided to do a little research on these 2, since it is SO OBVIOUS the right choice is Gurley
Todd Gurley
6'1 222lbs 31 1/2 arm length 10 hands
Score: 6.3 while injured (WAS said to be best prospect before injury)
40- had been timed under 4.3 before injury
Saquon Barkley
5'11 223lbs no info on hands or arms
Score: 7.5
40- 4.33-4.38
College Stats:
Gurley: 510-3285-6.4-36 TD
65-615-9.5-6 TD (Missed quite a few games as well
Barkley: 671-3843-5.7-43 TD,
102-1195-11.7-8 TD
But the most impressive stat against you, and your EASY comment
Gurley: 786 carry, 3296 yards, 29 TD and 128 catch, 1303 yards, 6 TD
Barkley: 0000000000000000000000
The thing is, Barkley looks good, but nobody knows how he will do in the pros. And I certainly would cheer for him if Browns drafted him, and I dont have a problem with them doing that. But you are WAY out of bounds to say right now he is better than Gurley. Gurley has earned his respect and stature in the league, NO rookie has
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Barkley, easy.
Wanna rethink this comment now? You said you would pick Barkley, easy over Gurley, the OFFENSIVE player of the year.
I decided to do a little research on these 2, since it is SO OBVIOUS the right choice is Gurley
Todd Gurley
6'1 222lbs 31 1/2 arm length 10 hands
Score: 6.3 while injured (WAS said to be best prospect before injury)
40- had been timed under 4.3 before injury
Saquon Barkley
5'11 223lbs no info on hands or arms
Score: 7.5
40- 4.33-4.38
College Stats:
Gurley: 510-3285-6.4-36 TD
65-615-9.5-6 TD (Missed quite a few games as well
Barkley: 671-3843-5.7-43 TD,
102-1195-11.7-8 TD
But the most impressive stat against you, and your EASY comment
Gurley: 786 carry, 3296 yards, 29 TD and 128 catch, 1303 yards, 6 TD
Barkley: 0000000000000000000000
The thing is, Barkley looks good, but nobody knows how he will do in the pros. And I certainly would cheer for him if Browns drafted him, and I dont have a problem with them doing that. But you are WAY out of bounds to say right now he is better than Gurley. Gurley has earned his respect and stature in the league, NO rookie has
Wanna rethink this comment now? You said you would pick Barkley, easy over Gurley, the OFFENSIVE player of the year.
I decided to do a little research on these 2, since it is SO OBVIOUS the right choice is Gurley
Todd Gurley
6'1 222lbs 31 1/2 arm length 10 hands
Score: 6.3 while injured (WAS said to be best prospect before injury)
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The thing is, Barkley looks good, but nobody knows how he will do in the pros. And I certainly would cheer for him if Browns drafted him, and I dont have a problem with them doing that. But you are WAY out of bounds to say right now he is better than Gurley. Gurley has earned his respect and stature in the league, NO rookie has
You make a great point- would the Rams trade Gurley to the Browns just to take Po-gans hero Barkley? No way in hell.....
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Yeah he did good but he's no Barkley.
Use your eyes, Gurley's moves look labored, strained even. He had a couple nice low hurdles but he's not as athletic as Barkley.
This proves that Barkley is going to absolutely dominate at the next level...
The secret of getting ahead is getting started. The secret of getting started is breaking your complex overwhelming tasks into small manageable tasks, and then starting on the first one. -Mark Twain- "It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog." -Mark Twain- -
We could:
Free Agency- Cousins, Pryor
Draft- Barkley, Mayfield
Cousins and Pryor had the chemistry of a silent but deadly fart in church. And it lingered... While we're at the church thing we could also sign a couple altar boys.
Why would you rather draft the 3rd QB off the board and Barkley than the very 1st QB and Barkley when we have the 1st and 4th pick? That seems as strange as you wanting Trent Richardson back.
Let's Sesame Street this sucker with Cleveland Dictates as follows:
1) Cleveland drafts QB
2) NY drafts QB
See a trend? What's that do to the supply of THE most important position to winning in football? PANIC begins for some teams in desperate need of help. What does desperation cause? Trade-ups. And it's even been known to work. The NY Giants weren't winning Superbowls when Tiki Barber was making Pro Bowls. They won 2 Superbowls over Brady and Belichick when the they had a 1st overall draft pick at QB leading them after Barber was gone.
3) Multiple choice of who trades up with Indy for the 3rd QB between Buffalo (holding 2 first rd picks) and Denver (holding the 5th pick) and (the Jets holding the 6th pick) and Arizona (holding the 10th pick) and whoever else needs a QB. The NEW Head Coach of Indy has learned the art of trading back in NE for more picks especially when they already have a franchise QB in the house. Besides, Indy already traded away a 1st round pick for the last gotta have RB named Trent Richardson so they should be all set with that right? Right???? There's nothing for them at #3 that beats multiple picks via trade. Also keep in mind, the Offensive Rookie of the Year in the AFC and in the NFC were 3rd round RBs. Draft Analysts are saying this draft is supposed to be just as good and even deeper at RB.
4) Cleveland drafts Barkley or another pick of the litter they deem BPA.
If I'm wrong, I need a brand new village idiot hat anyway...
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Wanna rethink this comment now? You said you would pick Barkley, easy over Gurley, the OFFENSIVE player of the year.
I decided to do a little research on these 2, since it is SO OBVIOUS the right choice is Gurley
Todd Gurley
6'1 222lbs 31 1/2 arm length 10 hands
Score: 6.3 while injured (WAS said to be best prospect before injury)
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The thing is, Barkley looks good, but nobody knows how he will do in the pros. And I certainly would cheer for him if Browns drafted him, and I dont have a problem with them doing that. But you are WAY out of bounds to say right now he is better than Gurley. Gurley has earned his respect and stature in the league, NO rookie has
You make a great point- would the Rams trade Gurley to the Browns just to take Po-gans hero Barkley? No way in hell.....
You make a great point- would the Rams trade Gurley to the Browns just to take Po-gans hero Barkley? No way in hell.....
Of course they wouldnt, and shouldnt.
But wait a second, now I got someone in my head telling me Saquon is the Bret Hart of football. They already have his bust made, and cleared out space to add a wing on in Canton. Didn't you know, he is the BEST EVER. He is going to break every record, and then he will be soooooooo good and sooooooo transformative that he won't even have to wait the 5 years to get in
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You make a great point- would the Rams trade Gurley to the Browns just to take Po-gans hero Barkley? No way in hell.....
Of course they wouldnt, and shouldnt.
But wait a second, now I got someone in my head telling me Saquon is the Bret Hart of football. They already have his bust made, and cleared out space to add a wing on in Canton. Didn't you know, he is the BEST EVER. He is going to break every record, and then he will be soooooooo good and sooooooo transformative that he won't even have to wait the 5 years to get in
Of course they wouldnt, and shouldnt.
But wait a second, now I got someone in my head telling me Saquon is the Bret Hart of football. They already have his bust made, and cleared out space to add a wing on in Canton. Didn't you know, he is the BEST EVER. He is going to break every record, and then he will be soooooooo good and sooooooo transformative that he won't even have to wait the 5 years to get in
They actually will move the Pro Football Hall of Fame to Saquon Barkley's house, and build it around him.
I can't wait to see the Kevin Hogan Wing of the new complex.
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Yeah he did good but he's no Barkley.
Use your eyes, Gurley's moves look labored, strained even. He had a couple nice low hurdles but he's not as athletic as Barkley.
This proves that Barkley is going to absolutely dominate at the next level...
Yeah he did good but he's no Barkley.
Use your eyes, Gurley's moves look labored, strained even. He had a couple nice low hurdles but he's not as athletic as Barkley.
This proves that Barkley is going to absolutely dominate at the next level...
Poe, now your squeezing your last brain cells on Barkley. His 5.5 than 5.9 per carry equals Eddie George with buckeyes.. Remember RB Larry Johnson at Penn State? They both carried the ball 272 times. Barkley-1496 Johnson-2087(7.7/carry)..Gurley 3 years at GA.6.2/6.0/7.4/yards/carry..your laughable..want to meet Gurley? we deep fry wild turkeys at his moms sometime in November, at his camp at Tarboro HS,NC..ya'll come..bring that Trent Jersey..Todd may wear it as his flag in the flag football game..BTW..ConGrats!! Tarboro Tough Todd & Shawn McVie from Tarboro Viking Country..
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I don't know what you guys are saying? I'm saying that it's a team game, and the threat of Barkley getting the ball IS going to freeze the LBs and cause the DL to shift focus from the QB. If they bite on the play action that is going to lead to a big gain. If they don't respect the play action and Barkley get the ball then they are going to be a step to late to make the play on the run.Barkley gets you that second of uncertainty or that coveted step that you need to get the yards you need to be successful.What are you guys not agreeing with? I think that you are simply aggressively disagreeing with any statement or assessment that doesn't fit your narrative... It's time to get on board.I don't know what you guys are saying?
Same thing many of us have been saying... we do not agree with you.
Flug's scenarios nailed it. If you pass on your QB at #1, then you have to hope he survives the next two picks because those are both going to be QBs... and more than likely the two QBs will be Darnold and Rosen... although probably in the more correct order.
A lot of this I agree with Ghoolie. Well done!
Even the draft a monster for next to Garrett double team thing? Cause... you know... Sheldon?
Also note that he doesn't commit to a QB at #1. Has to keep his powder dry for future "critiques".
Resign Trent and draft Barkley #1. Thunder and Lightning! Let's do this!
Quality troll there...
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In Comparing Barkley to Gurley-
Let's see here, if the charts below are to be believed then you can see that Barkley beats out Gurley in nearly every single category.
Would it be fair to say that Gurley had a better Offensive Line at Georgia? Many times the defense would meet Barkley in the backfield as soon as he got the ball, he'd make 2 or 3 guys miss to pick up positive yardage.
Barkley played in more games, had more yards rushing, had longer runs for TDs, had more rushing TDs, had more receptions, more reception yards, longer reception for TD and he had more receiving TDs.
Both players are team protecting with the ball in their hands as they had a very low amount of fumbles.
Outside of these charts, Barkley is stronger, faster and more athletic. He's got better moves and better character.
It's a double edged sword, it may seem like I'm putting down the Offensive Player of the Year... I'm not, I'm just saying that by comparing the statistics and using the eye test, Barkley is the superior player.
College statistics[edit]
NCAA career statistics Penn State Nittany Lions Season Team Rushing Receiving Kickoff Return Passing G Att Yds Avg Long TD Rec Yds Avg Long TD KR Yds TD Long Comp Att Yards TD 2015 Penn State 11 182 1,076 5.9 56 7 20 161 8.1 32 0 1 12 0 12 0 0 0 0 2016 Penn State 14 272 1,496 5.5 81T 18 28 402 14.4 44T 5 4 84 0 33 0 0 0 0 2017 Penn State 13 217 1,271 5.9 92T 18 54 632 11.7 85T 3 14 423 2 98T 2 2 36 1 Total 38 672 3,843 5.7 92T 43 102 1,195 11.7 85T 8 19 519 2 98T 2 2 36 1 College statistics[edit]
Georgia Bulldogs Season Rushing Receiving Fumbles Year GP GS Att Yards Avg Long TD Rec Yards Avg Long TD Fum Lost 2012 14 14 222 1,385 6.2 55 17 16 117 7.3 23 0 2 1 2013 10 10 165 989 6.0 75 10 37 441 11.9 73 6 1 1 2014 6 6 123 911 7.4 51 9 12 57 4.8 15 0 0 0 Career 30 30 510 3,285 6.4 75 36 65 615 9.5 73 6 3 2 The secret of getting ahead is getting started. The secret of getting started is breaking your complex overwhelming tasks into small manageable tasks, and then starting on the first one. -Mark Twain- "It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog." -Mark Twain- -
I like Barkley and he might be the most talent player in this draft....Chubb and Fitzpatrick are tough as well. However, I think Barkley still has to prove it before he is mentioned with Gurley
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In Comparing Barkley to Gurley-
Let's see here, if the charts below are to be believed then you can see that Barkley beats out Gurley in nearly every single category.
Would it be fair to say that Gurley had a better Offensive Line at Georgia? Many times the defense would meet Barkley in the backfield as soon as he got the ball, he'd make 2 or 3 guys miss to pick up positive yardage.
Barkley played in more games, had more yards rushing, had longer runs for TDs, had more rushing TDs, had more receptions, more reception yards, longer reception for TD and he had more receiving TDs.
Both players are team protecting with the ball in their hands as they had a very low amount of fumbles.
Outside of these charts, Barkley is stronger, faster and more athletic. He's got better moves and better character.
It's a double edged sword, it may seem like I'm putting down the Offensive Player of the Year... I'm not, I'm just saying that by comparing the statistics and using the eye test, Barkley is the superior player.
College statistics[edit]
NCAA career statistics Penn State Nittany Lions Season Team Rushing Receiving Kickoff Return Passing G Att Yds Avg Long TD Rec Yds Avg Long TD KR Yds TD Long Comp Att Yards TD 2015 Penn State 11 182 1,076 5.9 56 7 20 161 8.1 32 0 1 12 0 12 0 0 0 0 2016 Penn State 14 272 1,496 5.5 81T 18 28 402 14.4 44T 5 4 84 0 33 0 0 0 0 2017 Penn State 13 217 1,271 5.9 92T 18 54 632 11.7 85T 3 14 423 2 98T 2 2 36 1 Total 38 672 3,843 5.7 92T 43 102 1,195 11.7 85T 8 19 519 2 98T 2 2 36 1 College statistics[edit]
Georgia Bulldogs Season Rushing Receiving Fumbles Year GP GS Att Yards Avg Long TD Rec Yards Avg Long TD Fum Lost 2012 14 14 222 1,385 6.2 55 17 16 117 7.3 23 0 2 1 2013 10 10 165 989 6.0 75 10 37 441 11.9 73 6 1 1 2014 6 6 123 911 7.4 51 9 12 57 4.8 15 0 0 0 Career 30 30 510 3,285 6.4 75 36 65 615 9.5 73 6 3 2 In Comparing Barkley to Gurley-
Let's see here, if the charts below are to be believed then you can see that Barkley beats out Gurley in nearly every single category.
Would it be fair to say that Gurley had a better Offensive Line at Georgia? Many times the defense would meet Barkley in the backfield as soon as he got the ball, he'd make 2 or 3 guys miss to pick up positive yardage.
Barkley played in more games, had more yards rushing, had longer runs for TDs, had more rushing TDs, had more receptions, more reception yards, longer reception for TD and he had more receiving TDs.
Both players are team protecting with the ball in their hands as they had a very low amount of fumbles.
Outside of these charts, Barkley is stronger, faster and more athletic. He's got better moves and better character.
It's a double edged sword, it may seem like I'm putting down the Offensive Player of the Year... I'm not, I'm just saying that by comparing the statistics and using the eye test, Barkley is the superior player.
College statistics[edit]
NCAA career statistics Penn State Nittany Lions Season Team Rushing Receiving Kickoff Return Passing G Att Yds Avg Long TD Rec Yds Avg Long TD KR Yds TD Long Comp Att Yards TD 2015 Penn State 11 182 1,076 5.9 56 7 20 161 8.1 32 0 1 12 0 12 0 0 0 0 2016 Penn State 14 272 1,496 5.5 81T 18 28 402 14.4 44T 5 4 84 0 33 0 0 0 0 2017 Penn State 13 217 1,271 5.9 92T 18 54 632 11.7 85T 3 14 423 2 98T 2 2 36 1 Total 38 672 3,843 5.7 92T 43 102 1,195 11.7 85T 8 19 519 2 98T 2 2 36 1 College statistics[edit]
Georgia Bulldogs Season Rushing Receiving Fumbles Year GP GS Att Yards Avg Long TD Rec Yards Avg Long TD Fum Lost 2012 14 14 222 1,385 6.2 55 17 16 117 7.3 23 0 2 1 2013 10 10 165 989 6.0 75 10 37 441 11.9 73 6 1 1 2014 6 6 123 911 7.4 51 9 12 57 4.8 15 0 0 0 Career 30 30 510 3,285 6.4 75 36 65 615 9.5 73 6 3 2 You can use some kind of stat to try and prove your unproven player, but what part of clocked under 4.3 vs 4.33-4.38 Don't you understand? Just because he had a slower time sometime soon after an injury doesn't mean at full strength he isn't faster than your boy.
And last time this should have to be said, NOBODY HERE IS SAYING BARKLEY WON'T BE GOOD/GREAT, but he is UNPROVEN and he certainly hasn't shown ANYTHING to be considered the best player ever and be talked about more highly than GURLEY.
Since apparently we all make too many good points for you to answer any question about your SEVERE OVERHYPE of Mr. Barkley, try answering just this one.
Do you think the Rams would trade Gurley for Barkley?
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You find it funny huh?
You don't believe that the play action fake is supported by having a home run threat at running back?
What is funny is that you base your entire support for him as a choice at QB on his play action fake ability.
See...you are a funny guy. Like Richard Pryor, Robin Williams, Gabriel Iglesias. We laugh at just about everything you say.
You should try out at one of those open mike nights at a Comedy Club.
I mean...you would get some serious laughs.
Sort of Henny Youngmanish: "Take Saquon Barkley. Please"!!! You would have them rolling in the floors.
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Rodney Dangerfield ain't got nothing on PoG.
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Most everyone I've talked to in NE Ohio about the Browns and the Draft, are all on board with Barkley at #1 Overall. They recognize the talent.
It's only a small handful of people that are up in arms about the issue... You tend to think that a QB at #1 is going to fix everything... but what if that player turns out to be a bust?
Let's say that we do take Chosen injury prone Frozen #1 overall or maybe Ronald McDonald #1 and they bust. NY or the Colts take Barkley and he does in fact turn out to be a stud RB like many have projected. We reached for a bust prospect at #1 and then take bust on the #4 as well, could be an injury or maybe Fitzpatrick is a product of an outstanding Alabama team... then what? Does it go down as the biggest draft blunder of all time?
The secret of getting ahead is getting started. The secret of getting started is breaking your complex overwhelming tasks into small manageable tasks, and then starting on the first one. -Mark Twain- "It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog." -Mark Twain-
Gurley's knee looks fine in pro ball...carry on Captain Hook,Jack or Morgan..
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