No Foles talk
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I see articles saying the Browns should be blowing up the eagles phone to try to land Foles.
Hes a FA after next season.
I think the Eagles have to pay him. I have heard Wentz’ recovery lagging behind and he may not be ready for next season.
Do we overpay for Foles now? Or still take a shot at the cheaper cousins?
Suprised there are no threads already.
According to ESPN's scroll today, the Washington Redskins are considering putting a franchise tag of Kirk Cousins again this year. This would mean any team interested in pursuing him would now need to trade for him and part with a draft pick or player or both.
According to ESPN's scroll today, the Washington Redskins are considering putting a franchise tag of Kirk Cousins again this year. This would mean any team interested in pursuing him would now need to trade for him and part with a draft pick or player or both.
Shame on ESPN, I would call BS on Washington putting the franchise tag on Kirk Cousins after they paid a boatload of money for Alex Smith.
Look at their cap space WITHOUT Cousins' salary figured in. . .
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According to ESPN's scroll today, the Washington Redskins are considering putting a franchise tag of Kirk Cousins again this year. This would mean any team interested in pursuing him would now need to trade for him and part with a draft pick or player or both.
Couldn't teams just call their bluff and make them eat the $34 million in addition to paying Alex Smith? I'm assuming it wouldn't ever happen because there are teams that are desperate for a competent QB, but it sure'd be funny to see nobody trade with the Skins and watch them struggle with the cap after signing Smith. Hahaha.
As I look through the teams in the NFL, I actually don't see too many that absolutely don't have a starting QB. About the only ones I see are the Broncos, Cardinals, Jets, and POSSIBLY Fins, right? There are a few other teams with starting QB's who will be retiring soon (Bolts, Giants, etc), but I only counted 4 teams that must have someone immediately. So if the Redskins DO franchise Cousins, that could possibly change things big time. I just wonder how greedy the Redskins would be with their trade demands, ya know? I'm struggling to think of a comparable situation in recent league history, and I'm not really coming up with any. What if Washington asks for our #4 pick? Before you say that's insane, let me ask you this: What would be the difference in drafting an unproven, rookie QB at #1 or #4, versus trading the #4 pick for a proven QB and someone who would be starting right away?
Now, to me, our first rounders are off the table, but I'm not sure why I feel that way considering we'd be getting a QB we KNOW can play. We trade the #4 for Cousins (contingent on contract extension, obviously) and we still get to draft the #1 overall player on our board. So we get our starting QB, the best prospect in the entire draft, we still have THREE second rounders, and we still have enough money to go after other free agents.
Couldn't teams just call their bluff and make them eat the $34 million in addition to paying Alex Smith? I'm assuming it wouldn't ever happen because there are teams that are desperate for a competent QB, but it sure'd be funny to see nobody trade with the Skins and watch them struggle with the cap after signing Smith. Hahaha.
As I look through the teams in the NFL, I actually don't see too many that absolutely don't have a starting QB. About the only ones I see are the Broncos, Cardinals, Jets, and POSSIBLY Fins, right? There are a few other teams with starting QB's who will be retiring soon (Bolts, Giants, etc), but I only counted 4 teams that must have someone immediately. So if the Redskins DO franchise Cousins, that could possibly change things big time. I just wonder how greedy the Redskins would be with their trade demands, ya know? I'm struggling to think of a comparable situation in recent league history, and I'm not really coming up with any. What if Washington asks for our #4 pick? Before you say that's insane, let me ask you this: What would be the difference in drafting an unproven, rookie QB at #1 or #4, versus trading the #4 pick for a proven QB and someone who would be starting right away?
Now, to me, our first rounders are off the table, but I'm not sure why I feel that way considering we'd be getting a QB we KNOW can play. We trade the #4 for Cousins (contingent on contract extension, obviously) and we still get to draft the #1 overall player on our board. So we get our starting QB, the best prospect in the entire draft, we still have THREE second rounders, and we still have enough money to go after other free agents.
I mean A LOT of NFL deals are done on "hand-shake" agreement basis. The Redskins would never in a million years pay Kirk that type of money unless they had such an agreement. While of course a team COULD back out of such an arrangement, that team/GM would literally have no credibility left to any NFL franchise. No team would ever do that on this scale.
In that regard, it's not "irresponsible" to report they might do that-it's a very real possibility.
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According to ESPN's scroll today, the Washington Redskins are considering putting a franchise tag of Kirk Cousins again this year. This would mean any team interested in pursuing him would now need to trade for him and part with a draft pick or player or both.
Couldn't teams just call their bluff and make them eat the $34 million in addition to paying Alex Smith? I'm assuming it wouldn't ever happen because there are teams that are desperate for a competent QB, but it sure'd be funny to see nobody trade with the Skins and watch them struggle with the cap after signing Smith. Hahaha.
As I look through the teams in the NFL, I actually don't see too many that absolutely don't have a starting QB. About the only ones I see are the Broncos, Cardinals, Jets, and POSSIBLY Fins, right? There are a few other teams with starting QB's who will be retiring soon (Bolts, Giants, etc), but I only counted 4 teams that must have someone immediately. So if the Redskins DO franchise Cousins, that could possibly change things big time. I just wonder how greedy the Redskins would be with their trade demands, ya know? I'm struggling to think of a comparable situation in recent league history, and I'm not really coming up with any. What if Washington asks for our #4 pick? Before you say that's insane, let me ask you this: What would be the difference in drafting an unproven, rookie QB at #1 or #4, versus trading the #4 pick for a proven QB and someone who would be starting right away?
Now, to me, our first rounders are off the table, but I'm not sure why I feel that way considering we'd be getting a QB we KNOW can play. We trade the #4 for Cousins (contingent on contract extension, obviously) and we still get to draft the #1 overall player on our board. So we get our starting QB, the best prospect in the entire draft, we still have THREE second rounders, and we still have enough money to go after other free agents.
Couldn't teams just call their bluff and make them eat the $34 million in addition to paying Alex Smith? I'm assuming it wouldn't ever happen because there are teams that are desperate for a competent QB, but it sure'd be funny to see nobody trade with the Skins and watch them struggle with the cap after signing Smith. Hahaha.
As I look through the teams in the NFL, I actually don't see too many that absolutely don't have a starting QB. About the only ones I see are the Broncos, Cardinals, Jets, and POSSIBLY Fins, right? There are a few other teams with starting QB's who will be retiring soon (Bolts, Giants, etc), but I only counted 4 teams that must have someone immediately. So if the Redskins DO franchise Cousins, that could possibly change things big time. I just wonder how greedy the Redskins would be with their trade demands, ya know? I'm struggling to think of a comparable situation in recent league history, and I'm not really coming up with any. What if Washington asks for our #4 pick? Before you say that's insane, let me ask you this: What would be the difference in drafting an unproven, rookie QB at #1 or #4, versus trading the #4 pick for a proven QB and someone who would be starting right away?
Now, to me, our first rounders are off the table, but I'm not sure why I feel that way considering we'd be getting a QB we KNOW can play. We trade the #4 for Cousins (contingent on contract extension, obviously) and we still get to draft the #1 overall player on our board. So we get our starting QB, the best prospect in the entire draft, we still have THREE second rounders, and we still have enough money to go after other free agents.
One major difference is the money you pay a rookie vs Cousins
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Guy had two good games and you guys want to anoint him. Just like you anointed Wentz. They clearly have something there other than a QB....
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Guy had two good games and you guys want to anoint him. Just like you anointed Wentz. They clearly have something there other than a QB....
Guy had two good games and you guys want to anoint him. Just like you anointed Wentz. They clearly have something there other than a QB....
See above....I had said that I always liked Foles. I had wanted the Browns to draft him. And I had thought that they should pick him up when he was bouncing around the league.
Why? Accuracy.
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Eagles won't let Foles go cause it makes no sense..Your paying Wentz a rookie contract of 6.6M. Than Foles 5.5M..In this league your lucky to get a starting QB at 12.1M..Knowing Peterson, he's not going to hold Foles back from making money. That conversation may happen? But holding a clipboard as the hero in Philly may end up with Foles waiting another year.Nick was a FA & Philly came back & got him.Eagles are -minus 4.6M in cap hole as we speak
Browns & Buffett: Got to go fishin, Down to rock bottom again, with just a few Friends Team Brotherhood-"It's not about You,Me or I. It's about building We"..Hue Jackson -
Foles would be in a wheelchair by game 3, and philly isn't going to let him leave.
I think we have a better shot at making a play for Wentz...
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Same thing I've said. Bank on their fresh Super Bowl love for Foles and give them #1 for Wentz. Hell I'd give them #1 and a low #2 for him.
I wouldnt give that much.. I might throw in some cash though...
Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~ -
He skipped the Philadelphia parade to go to Disney World as SB MVP, a 31 year tradition. Woo-hoo for him and his family.
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Guy had two good games and you guys want to anoint him. Just like you anointed Wentz. They clearly have something there other than a QB....
Guy had two good games and you guys want to anoint him. Just like you anointed Wentz. They clearly have something there other than a QB....
Thats 2 more than our current qbs. Ill take 2 wins!!
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He skipped the Philadelphia parade to go to Disney World as SB MVP, a 31 year tradition. Woo-hoo for him and his family.
Where does this shite come from? The Parade in Philly is tomorrow. He went to Disney World like Monday or Tuesday.
He is back in plenty of time for the parade.
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He skipped the Philadelphia parade to go to Disney World as SB MVP, a 31 year tradition. Woo-hoo for him and his family.
Where does this shite come from? The Parade in Philly is tomorrow. He went to Disney World like Monday or Tuesday.
He is back in plenty of time for the parade.
He skipped the Philadelphia parade to go to Disney World as SB MVP, a 31 year tradition. Woo-hoo for him and his family.
Where does this shite come from? The Parade in Philly is tomorrow. He went to Disney World like Monday or Tuesday.
He is back in plenty of time for the parade.
I first heard he was in Florida but yes he will be headed to Broad St.
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I wouldnt give that much.. I might throw in some cash though...
You wouldn't give up #1 pick and the Eagles their 2nd round pick back for the guy that was going to be the MVP before he got hurt?
So the assumption is the Browns take a QB at 1. So you would rather have Darnold/Rosen/Mayfield/Allen over Wentz?
Yea that makes A LOT of sense. Same as others with their "GUY" in the draft that is the best thing ever and before they step on field are the best at their position
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Listening to the radio this morning on 92.3
They talked about Foles contract. And if what they say is correct, it's crazy good deal for any team if the Eagles decided to trade him.
The Eagles control his contract through next season. Then he is free to opt out.
However, if they trade him to another team he is locked in for 5 years at a very cheap rate for a QB. Seems like they made the deal on this contract making it really enticing for another team to trade for him.
Watching some of those throws he pulled off last night, If I'm Doresy, I'm on the phone offering one of the 2nd rounders today. But as some of you have pointed too, if Wentz is really behind the 8 ball, then I don't see Philly giving up on him for just a 2nd rounder.
Listening to the radio this morning on 92.3 They talked about Foles contract.
However, if they trade him to another team he is locked in for 5 years at a very cheap rate for a QB. Seems like they made the deal on this contract making it really enticing for another team to trade for him.
Seems crazy, but it is the case...
Foles signed a five-year contract with the Eagles, but it had one major caveat. If he is on the Eagles' roster come February 2019, the final three years of the deal will automatically be voided and he'll become a free agent. Voiding contracts aren't entirely uncommon; this one almost guarantees that Foles will be traded by February 2019.
Ironically, Wentz's injury is enormously beneficial for the Eagles in this respect. Foles has dramatically increased his stock in the past five games, and after shredding the Vikings' defense the way he did it's only going up. He's now a much more valued trade prospect, and a team getting 3-4 years out of Foles at this level would be well worth a deal. Of course, Foles would need to stay at this level.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Eagles won't let Foles go cause it makes no sense..Your paying Wentz a rookie contract of 6.6M. Than Foles 5.5M..In this league your lucky to get a starting QB at 12.1M..Knowing Peterson, he's not going to hold Foles back from making money. That conversation may happen? But holding a clipboard as the hero in Philly may end up with Foles waiting another year.Nick was a FA & Philly came back & got him.Eagles are -minus 4.6M in cap hole as we speak
Eagles won't let Foles go cause it makes no sense..Your paying Wentz a rookie contract of 6.6M. Than Foles 5.5M..In this league your lucky to get a starting QB at 12.1M..Knowing Peterson, he's not going to hold Foles back from making money. That conversation may happen? But holding a clipboard as the hero in Philly may end up with Foles waiting another year.Nick was a FA & Philly came back & got him.Eagles are -minus 4.6M in cap hole as we speak
Sorry gum, given the contract they signed Foles to it makes all the sense in the world.
As the Bradford deal to MN showed last season, the Eagles sell when the market is at its highest... and Foles' will never be higher.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Eagles won't let Foles go cause it makes no sense..Your paying Wentz a rookie contract of 6.6M. Than Foles 5.5M..In this league your lucky to get a starting QB at 12.1M..Knowing Peterson, he's not going to hold Foles back from making money. That conversation may happen? But holding a clipboard as the hero in Philly may end up with Foles waiting another year.Nick was a FA & Philly came back & got him.Eagles are -minus 4.6M in cap hole as we speak
Sorry gum, given the contract they signed Foles to it makes all the sense in the world.
As the Bradford deal to MN showed last season, the Eagles sell when the market is at its highest... and Foles' will never be higher.
Sorry gum, given the contract they signed Foles to it makes all the sense in the world.
As the Bradford deal to MN showed last season, the Eagles sell when the market is at its highest... and Foles' will never be higher.
That said, you have any interest in Foles?
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That said, you have any interest in Foles?
Certainly have to put my original Darkhorse in the mix of options.
The major concern I have would have to be his fit within the TBD "Jackson/Haley" Offense. Nick has flourished in two seasons in his career and both seasons his offense was RPO based. Hue ran some of this in Cinci with Dalton, but I'm hard-pressed to recall much the past two seasons. And I can't recall any with Haley... not involving a QB-RB mesh point at any rate.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
That said, you have any interest in Foles?
Certainly have to put my original Darkhorse in the mix of options.
The major concern I have would have to be his fit within the TBD "Jackson/Haley" Offense. Nick has flourished in two seasons in his career and both seasons his offense was RPO based. Hue ran some of this in Cinci with Dalton, but I'm hard-pressed to recall much the past two seasons. And I can't recall any with Haley... not involving a QB-RB mesh point at any rate.
Certainly have to put my original Darkhorse in the mix of options.
The major concern I have would have to be his fit within the TBD "Jackson/Haley" Offense. Nick has flourished in two seasons in his career and both seasons his offense was RPO based. Hue ran some of this in Cinci with Dalton, but I'm hard-pressed to recall much the past two seasons. And I can't recall any with Haley... not involving a QB-RB mesh point at any rate.
Foles has never looked good outside of an Eagles jersey. He could 100% be fool's gold.
That said, Foles and Rosen or Darnold with Kizer doesn't hurt my feelings. I would just never have Foles as "the guy".
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Listening to the radio this morning on 92.3 They talked about Foles contract.
However, if they trade him to another team he is locked in for 5 years at a very cheap rate for a QB. Seems like they made the deal on this contract making it really enticing for another team to trade for him.
Seems crazy, but it is the case...
Foles signed a five-year contract with the Eagles, but it had one major caveat. If he is on the Eagles' roster come February 2019, the final three years of the deal will automatically be voided and he'll become a free agent. Voiding contracts aren't entirely uncommon; this one almost guarantees that Foles will be traded by February 2019.
Ironically, Wentz's injury is enormously beneficial for the Eagles in this respect. Foles has dramatically increased his stock in the past five games, and after shredding the Vikings' defense the way he did it's only going up. He's now a much more valued trade prospect, and a team getting 3-4 years out of Foles at this level would be well worth a deal. Of course, Foles would need to stay at this level.
Seems crazy, but it is the case...
Foles signed a five-year contract with the Eagles, but it had one major caveat. If he is on the Eagles' roster come February 2019, the final three years of the deal will automatically be voided and he'll become a free agent. Voiding contracts aren't entirely uncommon; this one almost guarantees that Foles will be traded by February 2019.
Ironically, Wentz's injury is enormously beneficial for the Eagles in this respect. Foles has dramatically increased his stock in the past five games, and after shredding the Vikings' defense the way he did it's only going up. He's now a much more valued trade prospect, and a team getting 3-4 years out of Foles at this level would be well worth a deal. Of course, Foles would need to stay at this level.
Very interesting. Though...what kind of power could he exert to be able to approve any trade...or to up his salary in a trade? None? Other than the right to hold out I guess.
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