Blowing up the QB rankings
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Allen has the best upside for development. People say that he wont improve his completion rate. Hogwash, Brady, Brees and Farve improved.
Some team is going grab Allen and he will be a star. The next big name NFL QB.
2 of those 3 weren't even taken in the first round.
2 of those 3 weren't even taken in the first round.
Brees, Favre and Brady were all taken outside of the first round.
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Brees, Favre and Brady were all taken outside of the first round.
You're right, I forgot Favre was taken at the 1st pick of the 2nd round.
For some reason I thought he was a 1st round, tail end kind of pick.
Point further proven. None of those QB's were taken in the 1st round.
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We are going to have the same Brees, Favre, Brady conversation all over again???
I bet that most of us wouldn't have a problem drafting Allen, but never in the top of the 1st, and as that's the spot were we MUST draft our QBOTF, well, that takes Allen out of our ideal draft choices for most of us.
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We are going to have the same Brees, Favre, Brady conversation all over again???
I bet that most of us wouldn't have a problem drafting Allen, but never in the top of the 1st, and as that's the spot were we MUST draft our QBOTF, well, that takes Allen out of our ideal draft choices for most of us.
We are going to have the same Brees, Favre, Brady conversation all over again???
I bet that most of us wouldn't have a problem drafting Allen, but never in the top of the 1st, and as that's the spot were we MUST draft our QBOTF, well, that takes Allen out of our ideal draft choices for most of us.
Geeezzz I wish the draft was next week!
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We are going to have the same Brees, Favre, Brady conversation all over again???
I bet that most of us wouldn't have a problem drafting Allen, but never in the top of the 1st, and as that's the spot were we MUST draft our QBOTF, well, that takes Allen out of our ideal draft choices for most of us.
We are going to have the same Brees, Favre, Brady conversation all over again???
I bet that most of us wouldn't have a problem drafting Allen, but never in the top of the 1st, and as that's the spot were we MUST draft our QBOTF, well, that takes Allen out of our ideal draft choices for most of us.
Besides we already have Allen. He plays exactly the same way and did show some flashes of learning in the last few games. If he'd had any WRs worth a damn other than JG, he might have been able to show us more. Too many game changing drops last year only topped off by Coleman's stone handed miss in the last game.
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llen has the best upside for development. People say that he wont improve his completion rate. Hogwash, Brady, Brees and Farve improved.
Some team is going grab Allen and he will be a star. The next big name NFL QB.
2 of those 3 weren't even taken in the first round.
Actually.....technically....none of them were. Brady...6th round as you know. Favre was a second rounder...#33 As was Brees. Now...he went #32...but at the time there were only 31 picks in the first round.....and he was the first pick of the second round.
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We are going to have the same Brees, Favre, Brady conversation all over again???
I bet that most of us wouldn't have a problem drafting Allen, but never in the top of the 1st, and as that's the spot were we MUST draft our QBOTF, well, that takes Allen out of our ideal draft choices for most of us.
Besides we already have Allen. He plays exactly the same way and did show some flashes of learning in the last few games. If he'd had any WRs worth a damn other than JG, he might have been able to show us more. Too many game changing drops last year only topped off by Coleman's stone handed miss in the last game.
Besides we already have Allen. He plays exactly the same way and did show some flashes of learning in the last few games. If he'd had any WRs worth a damn other than JG, he might have been able to show us more. Too many game changing drops last year only topped off by Coleman's stone handed miss in the last game.
Exactly. Why do we want another big, strong, athletic QB who is inaccurate? We already have Kizer on the roster, why draft another version of him this year?
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Kizer doesn't love the game. Kizer isn't much of a leader on the field, or off it, he has little fire in him. He looks only at ONE THIRD of the field every play. AS in, every...single....play. It's all he can do, apparently. Allen can look one way, and throw the other - he never had the talent around him that Notre Dame has.
Allen "is Kizer" = Mayfield "is Manziel".
just really dumb. Kizer is a tall kid who has a big arm who can play a little football. Allen is a tall kid with a big arm, who IS A FOOTBALL PLAYER. In that regard, Allen is a lot like Mayfield. He LOVES the game. He LIVES the game. It seems Kizer doesn't love much of anything.
Kizer interviews after a lost football game like he just got pulled over for speeding 10 mph over the speed limit and is getting a warning. His first season, he threw a 62.x completion percentage. He's a "star"...wait, his last year it went down to 56.x percent. He's "a bust"
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Meanwhile, back at the ranch, Mayfield is a heck of a kid. Give him a couple of inch higher platform shoes, and an arm like Allen's, and I'd draft him over Allen. lol
My dumb opinion - the Browns will go with Mayfield or Allen, with the first pick. It depends on Allen at his pro day and conbine - he will have to show terrific accuracy and touch....or the choice swings to Mayfield right there.
They will trade out of the four pick, and and get one of three free safeties with the other pick. There are only three fs in this draft - the Browns need one of them, and I think all three are gone by the second round.
Who knows. I sure don't. lol
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Tiamat is an insufferable dickwad.
Hand to God, I laughed pretty hard. Thanks because I needed that.
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The Internet forum wanna-be is not even mad, he’s laughing! It’s funny to him!
Please continue your delusional posting here. I’m sure you’ll still be here faking it when I come back in 6 months.
The Internet forum wanna-be is not even mad, he’s laughing! It’s funny to him!
Please continue your delusional posting here. I’m sure you’ll still be here faking it when I come back in 6 months.
Unlike that one time you actually Shmucked a broad, there's no faking here. See you in 6 months, champ.
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I do like the kid, though.
Here's a great article on him:
weaknesses from Walter Football:
Weaknesses:
- Undersized; shorter than ideal
- Poor footwork
- Gets happy feet in the pocket
- Inconsistent field vision
- Can have issues reading the field
- Teams question how will he perform when forced to stay in the pocket?
- Didn't play a lot of top competition
- Maturity
- Will need more development for working under center
- Transition from a college-style to pro-style offense
"Mayfield is undersized for the NFL with just average arm strength,..."
Read more: http://walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2018bmayfield.php#ixzz56Z4kvFZtI do like the kid, though.
Here's a great article on him:
weaknesses from Walter Football:
Weaknesses:
- Undersized; shorter than ideal
"Mayfield is undersized for the NFL with just average arm strength,..."Dorsey quote: "height is not an issue with Mayfield".
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I've watched the game tape on the top QBs in this draft class and I came away with a much different opinion than the experts. Starting from 5 to 1 this is how rank the QBs
5. Josh Allen- Pure potential. He obviously has a cannon and he is a pretty good athlete. I like the way he stands tall in the pocket and steps up in the face of pressure. He has poor ball placement and completely misses more than you would like. It appears as if he struggles to see the field and looks to rely on his arm instead of reading the defense. I honestly should have Rudolph in this spot but Allen's tools are hard to overlook. I wouldn't touch him in the first 2 rounds.
4. Josh Rosen- The most polished QB in this class. Solid pocket passer with good height but needs to put on some weight. Accuracy is good at times but isn't elite. If it wasn't for his injury concerns, and rumored attitude problems, I would have a better review of him. I would wait until the end of the 1st round before considering pulling the trigger.
3. Sam Darnold- Darnold has been my pick all season long, but he looks scared to step up in the pocket. When the pass rush is coming at him he looks like he freaks out. If his balls drop he has everyhing you look for in a QB. Sometimes even reminds me of Aaron Rogers, mobility, accuracy, and a solid arm. I would still consider him at #1 but not my favorite prospect.
2. Baker Mayfield- so much to like here. He really understood his offense and put up video game numbers. Good accuracy and a decent arm. Handles pressure pretty well but his line was ridiculously good. He had a clean pocket like 90% of the time and they allowed him to pick apart the defense. Makes quick read and rarely makes a bad throw. I could look past his size to put him as the #1 spot but his character is a real concern.
1. Lamar Jackson- I know I'm going to get knocked for being a homer, but like I said earlier, I was firmly in camp Darnold until I watched more tape. Lamar is special. His athleticism and grit are undeniable. As a passer he needs some work but he's not as far off from the other prospect as you would think. He has to become more consistent and I think if he stops trying to do it all he can accomplish that. Some throws are top notch then he'll throw a head scratcher. Bottom line he is a playmaker and at first I was worried that he wouldn't translate to the NFL, but after comparing him to the field i think he has a better chance than most.
I've watched the game tape on the top QBs in this draft class and I came away with a much different opinion than the experts. Starting from 5 to 1 this is how rank the QBs
5. Josh Allen- Pure potential. He obviously has a cannon and he is a pretty good athlete. I like the way he stands tall in the pocket and steps up in the face of pressure. He has poor ball placement and completely misses more than you would like. It appears as if he struggles to see the field and looks to rely on his arm instead of reading the defense. I honestly should have Rudolph in this spot but Allen's tools are hard to overlook. I wouldn't touch him in the first 2 rounds.
4. Josh Rosen- The most polished QB in this class. Solid pocket passer with good height but needs to put on some weight. Accuracy is good at times but isn't elite. If it wasn't for his injury concerns, and rumored attitude problems, I would have a better review of him. I would wait until the end of the 1st round before considering pulling the trigger.
3. Sam Darnold- Darnold has been my pick all season long, but he looks scared to step up in the pocket. When the pass rush is coming at him he looks like he freaks out. If his balls drop he has everyhing you look for in a QB. Sometimes even reminds me of Aaron Rogers, mobility, accuracy, and a solid arm. I would still consider him at #1 but not my favorite prospect.
2. Baker Mayfield- so much to like here. He really understood his offense and put up video game numbers. Good accuracy and a decent arm. Handles pressure pretty well but his line was ridiculously good. He had a clean pocket like 90% of the time and they allowed him to pick apart the defense. Makes quick read and rarely makes a bad throw. I could look past his size to put him as the #1 spot but his character is a real concern.
1. Lamar Jackson- I know I'm going to get knocked for being a homer, but like I said earlier, I was firmly in camp Darnold until I watched more tape. Lamar is special. His athleticism and grit are undeniable. As a passer he needs some work but he's not as far off from the other prospect as you would think. He has to become more consistent and I think if he stops trying to do it all he can accomplish that. Some throws are top notch then he'll throw a head scratcher. Bottom line he is a playmaker and at first I was worried that he wouldn't translate to the NFL, but after comparing him to the field i think he has a better chance than most.
Lamar Jackson IS the cream of this year's QB Crop. If the Browns were not picking #1 he would go #2. As it is, The browns are likely to take Rosen, at that point whether by trade or just taking the pick they have, Barkley will go #2. Just as I said Trubisky was the player of the 2017 draft, so too, is Barkley in the 2018 draft. If the Browns pass on Jackson and Barkley, they will again have one of the worst drafts since they wasted a #1 on do-nothing Joe Thomas.
It is hard to predict how the QBs will go, because the Browns, who pick #1, are likely to again make a fukcked up choice that throws the true order of players into a ball of chaos. HOWEVER......................... here is the proper rating of the 2018 QBs
Lamar Jackson
Josh Rosen ( THe Browns will fukck this up and take him first)
Baker Mayfield
Sam Darnold
If the Browns are to have an impact in the NFL, their draft must be..........
#1 Barkley
#2 (Trade next years #1 plus a #2 and Coleman or Thomas AND/OR Move #4 up............. Lamar Jackson
#4 or 5 Calvin RIdley
THen, in round 2................ if he is still on the board............Auden Tate
DO THAT? Then you have a successful draft. This bullschidt of amassing assets and building for the future is the logic of jackoffs............that's why you guys like it...you are mostly jackoffs. he Browns need to make an impact NOW............ not in 2525.
OFFENSE WINS You build a team around offense. The rest of the schidt you can fill in. Certainly the OL is the last thing the Browns need to fukck with and spend more money on. QB, WR WR and Barkley. BOOM.
THe Browns have the $ to carry this off.
The Cleveland Browns have the hardest hit players in the NFL -
I do like the kid, though.
Here's a great article on him:
weaknesses from Walter Football:
Weaknesses:
- Undersized; shorter than ideal
"Mayfield is undersized for the NFL with just average arm strength,..."Dorsey quote: "height is not an issue with Mayfield".
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I guess I should have known the ghoolster was a Steelers fan.
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I guess I should have known the ghoolster was a Steelers fan.
What blows my mind is that there are numerous moderators who have lobbied to have him banned, but whoever runs this board won't do it.
Yet these moderators can delete individual posts, and close threads, and do on the regular.
So if you are a moderator on here who would like to see Ghoolie gone, there's a pretty easy solution, even without the head guy's consent - just delete the troll's posts as they roll in.
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I've watched the game tape on the top QBs in this draft class and I came away with a much different opinion than the experts. Starting from 5 to 1 this is how rank the QBs
5. Josh Allen- Pure potential. He obviously has a cannon and he is a pretty good athlete. I like the way he stands tall in the pocket and steps up in the face of pressure. He has poor ball placement and completely misses more than you would like. It appears as if he struggles to see the field and looks to rely on his arm instead of reading the defense. I honestly should have Rudolph in this spot but Allen's tools are hard to overlook. I wouldn't touch him in the first 2 rounds.
4. Josh Rosen- The most polished QB in this class. Solid pocket passer with good height but needs to put on some weight. Accuracy is good at times but isn't elite. If it wasn't for his injury concerns, and rumored attitude problems, I would have a better review of him. I would wait until the end of the 1st round before considering pulling the trigger.
3. Sam Darnold- Darnold has been my pick all season long, but he looks scared to step up in the pocket. When the pass rush is coming at him he looks like he freaks out. If his balls drop he has everyhing you look for in a QB. Sometimes even reminds me of Aaron Rogers, mobility, accuracy, and a solid arm. I would still consider him at #1 but not my favorite prospect.
2. Baker Mayfield- so much to like here. He really understood his offense and put up video game numbers. Good accuracy and a decent arm. Handles pressure pretty well but his line was ridiculously good. He had a clean pocket like 90% of the time and they allowed him to pick apart the defense. Makes quick read and rarely makes a bad throw. I could look past his size to put him as the #1 spot but his character is a real concern.
1. Lamar Jackson- I know I'm going to get knocked for being a homer, but like I said earlier, I was firmly in camp Darnold until I watched more tape. Lamar is special. His athleticism and grit are undeniable. As a passer he needs some work but he's not as far off from the other prospect as you would think. He has to become more consistent and I think if he stops trying to do it all he can accomplish that. Some throws are top notch then he'll throw a head scratcher. Bottom line he is a playmaker and at first I was worried that he wouldn't translate to the NFL, but after comparing him to the field i think he has a better chance than most.
Lamar Jackson IS the cream of this year's QB Crop. If the Browns were not picking #1 he would go #2. As it is, The browns are likely to take Rosen, at that point whether by trade or just taking the pick they have, Barkley will go #2. Just as I said Trubisky was the player of the 2017 draft, so too, is Barkley in the 2018 draft. If the Browns pass on Jackson and Barkley, they will again have one of the worst drafts since they wasted a #1 on do-nothing Joe Thomas.
It is hard to predict how the QBs will go, because the Browns, who pick #1, are likely to again make a fukcked up choice that throws the true order of players into a ball of chaos. HOWEVER......................... here is the proper rating of the 2018 QBs
Lamar Jackson
Josh Rosen ( THe Browns will fukck this up and take him first)
Baker Mayfield
Sam Darnold
If the Browns are to have an impact in the NFL, their draft must be..........
#1 Barkley
#2 (Trade next years #1 plus a #2 and Coleman or Thomas AND/OR Move #4 up............. Lamar Jackson
#4 or 5 Calvin RIdley
THen, in round 2................ if he is still on the board............Auden Tate
DO THAT? Then you have a successful draft. This bullschidt of amassing assets and building for the future is the logic of jackoffs............that's why you guys like it...you are mostly jackoffs. he Browns need to make an impact NOW............ not in 2525.
OFFENSE WINS You build a team around offense. The rest of the schidt you can fill in. Certainly the OL is the last thing the Browns need to fukck with and spend more money on. QB, WR WR and Barkley. BOOM.
THe Browns have the $ to carry this off.
Lamar Jackson IS the cream of this year's QB Crop. If the Browns were not picking #1 he would go #2. As it is, The browns are likely to take Rosen, at that point whether by trade or just taking the pick they have, Barkley will go #2. Just as I said Trubisky was the player of the 2017 draft, so too, is Barkley in the 2018 draft. If the Browns pass on Jackson and Barkley, they will again have one of the worst drafts since they wasted a #1 on do-nothing Joe Thomas.
It is hard to predict how the QBs will go, because the Browns, who pick #1, are likely to again make a fukcked up choice that throws the true order of players into a ball of chaos. HOWEVER......................... here is the proper rating of the 2018 QBs
Lamar Jackson
Josh Rosen ( THe Browns will fukck this up and take him first)
Baker Mayfield
Sam Darnold
If the Browns are to have an impact in the NFL, their draft must be..........
#1 Barkley
#2 (Trade next years #1 plus a #2 and Coleman or Thomas AND/OR Move #4 up............. Lamar Jackson
#4 or 5 Calvin RIdley
THen, in round 2................ if he is still on the board............Auden Tate
DO THAT? Then you have a successful draft. This bullschidt of amassing assets and building for the future is the logic of jackoffs............that's why you guys like it...you are mostly jackoffs. he Browns need to make an impact NOW............ not in 2525.
OFFENSE WINS You build a team around offense. The rest of the schidt you can fill in. Certainly the OL is the last thing the Browns need to fukck with and spend more money on. QB, WR WR and Barkley. BOOM.
THe Browns have the $ to carry this off.
I like most of those draft prospects. Do you think Ridley is any good? It's hard to tell in that Alabama offense. I think Kirk is probably the better option.
1a. Lamar Jackson
1b. Joshua Jackson or Bradley Chubb
2a. Chrstian Kirk or Jiare Alexander
2b. Rashaad Penny
2c. Armani Watts
3. Auden Tate
That's my best case scenario right now
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I guess I should have known the ghoolster was a Steelers fan.
What blows my mind is that there are numerous moderators who have lobbied to have him banned, but whoever runs this board won't do it.
Yet these moderators can delete individual posts, and close threads, and do on the regular.
So if you are a moderator on here who would like to see Ghoolie gone, there's a pretty easy solution, even without the head guy's consent - just delete the troll's posts as they roll in.
What blows my mind is that there are numerous moderators who have lobbied to have him banned, but whoever runs this board won't do it.
Yet these moderators can delete individual posts, and close threads, and do on the regular.
So if you are a moderator on here who would like to see Ghoolie gone, there's a pretty easy solution, even without the head guy's consent - just delete the troll's posts as they roll in.
Well when one of the mods wastes half his day every day arguing with Ghoolie, it would seem he doesn't mind him all that much.
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What blows my mind is that there are numerous moderators who have lobbied to have him banned, but whoever runs this board won't do it.
Yet these moderators can delete individual posts, and close threads, and do on the regular.
So if you are a moderator on here who would like to see Ghoolie gone, there's a pretty easy solution, even without the head guy's consent - just delete the troll's posts as they roll in.
Well when one of the mods wastes half his day every day arguing with Ghoolie, it would seem he doesn't mind him all that much.
Well when one of the mods wastes half his day every day arguing with Ghoolie, it would seem he doesn't mind him all that much.
It's like some bizarro-world Stockholm Syndrome.
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