Saquon Barkley Combine Bound
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I know the term, but that's not Sasa.
What you have with Barkley is when talent and preparation meet opportunity.
This kid knows that he has God given talent and he's put that to work, becoming the strongest-fastest version of himself.
A truly amazing kid both on and off the field. A relentless worker, a leader and a tremendous role model.
You can find other runningbacks later in the draft, but you aren't going to find another Saquon.
What we need is for him to bring his talents to NorthBeach.
...If we draft him, they will come...
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I know the term, but that's not Sasa.
What you have with Barkley is when talent and preparation meet opportunity.
This kid knows that he has God given talent and he's put that to work, becoming the strongest-fastest version of himself.
A truly amazing kid both on and off the field. A relentless worker, a leader and a tremendous role model.
You can find other runningbacks later in the draft, but you aren't going to find another Saquon.
What we need is for him to bring his talents to NorthBeach.
...If we draft him, they will come...
🥷
Now Po, we have talked about this. You are talking someone up too much again. There is s difference in hand timed vs electronic. And unless you are Saquon or someone incredibly close to him, you can't truly say he is truly amazing off the field.
That's what everyone said and thought about a Mr. Tiger Woods a while back.
Curb your excitement and praise for AFTER the kid has proven something.
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In the past 15 years (probably more) there has only been one first round RB on a super bowl winning team. That RB is Marshawn Lynch, and he wasn’t drafted by the team he won a Super Bowl with.
Transversely, in that time, there have been multiple teams that won a Super Bowl by starting undrafted RBs. Some teams even had a RBBC with multiple undrafted RBs. The saints did it with Pierre Thomas and Mike Bell. The Steelers won two with undrafted Willie Parker, the Colts won with undrafted Dominic Rhodes, the Eagles won with a pair of undrafted guys; Blount and Clement, and a fifth rounder that they didn’t draft. The giants won two superbowls, once with a 4th rounder (Jacobs) and once with a 7th rounder (Bradshaw).
there are kids in college who have spent their entire lives living in a world where championship winning teams used throw away picks or no picks at all to secure their RB. Using the best pick in the draft on a position that is far and away the easiest to fill is the kind of move that truck drivers and cashiers make. Football professionals don’t do that, and the ones who spend premium picks on the position are almost always shown up by mid round selections. For every Zeke there’s a David Johnson, for every Fournette there’s a Kamara, for every McCaffery there’s a Kareem Hunt...
The best RB in a decade isn’t worth 1/4 of what the best QB in a 2 year span is. You can spend the day at Cedar Point and walk past at least 30 guys who could RB for a Super Bowl winning team, how many times have you walked past Tom Brady or Peyton Manning?
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Were you imagining my big boy pants off?
You dirty, dirty boy!
https://dawgpounddaily.com/2018/02/12/cleveland-browns-top-5-running-back-targets-2018-nfl-draft/
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I’d love for the Giants or Colts to draft Saquon. If Barkley is one of the 2 picks between browns selections, odds are good that we’ll have Bradley Chubb waiting at #4
I’d love for the Giants or Colts to draft Saquon. If Barkley is one of the 2 picks between browns selections, odds are good that we’ll have Bradley Chubb waiting at #4
Gmen still have nightmares from their last 1st round RB pick and that wasn't a top 5 selection.
Orlando Brown will most likely arrive in NY Blue... especially with them committing to Eli.
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In the past 15 years (probably more) there has only been one first round RB on a super bowl winning team. That RB is Marshawn Lynch, and he wasn’t drafted by the team he won a Super Bowl with.
Transversely, in that time, there have been multiple teams that won a Super Bowl by starting undrafted RBs. Some teams even had a RBBC with multiple undrafted RBs. The saints did it with Pierre Thomas and Mike Bell. The Steelers won two with undrafted Willie Parker, the Colts won with undrafted Dominic Rhodes, the Eagles won with a pair of undrafted guys; Blount and Clement, and a fifth rounder that they didn’t draft. The giants won two superbowls, once with a 4th rounder (Jacobs) and once with a 7th rounder (Bradshaw).
there are kids in college who have spent their entire lives living in a world where championship winning teams used throw away picks or no picks at all to secure their RB. Using the best pick in the draft on a position that is far and away the easiest to fill is the kind of move that truck drivers and cashiers make. Football professionals don’t do that, and the ones who spend premium picks on the position are almost always shown up by mid round selections. For every Zeke there’s a David Johnson, for every Fournette there’s a Kamara, for every McCaffery there’s a Kareem Hunt...
The best RB in a decade isn’t worth 1/4 of what the best QB in a 2 year span is. You can spend the day at Cedar Point and walk past at least 30 guys who could RB for a Super Bowl winning team, how many times have you walked past Tom Brady or Peyton Manning?
In the past 15 years (probably more) there has only been one first round RB on a super bowl winning team. That RB is Marshawn Lynch, and he wasn’t drafted by the team he won a Super Bowl with.
Transversely, in that time, there have been multiple teams that won a Super Bowl by starting undrafted RBs. Some teams even had a RBBC with multiple undrafted RBs. The saints did it with Pierre Thomas and Mike Bell. The Steelers won two with undrafted Willie Parker, the Colts won with undrafted Dominic Rhodes, the Eagles won with a pair of undrafted guys; Blount and Clement, and a fifth rounder that they didn’t draft. The giants won two superbowls, once with a 4th rounder (Jacobs) and once with a 7th rounder (Bradshaw).
there are kids in college who have spent their entire lives living in a world where championship winning teams used throw away picks or no picks at all to secure their RB. Using the best pick in the draft on a position that is far and away the easiest to fill is the kind of move that truck drivers and cashiers make. Football professionals don’t do that, and the ones who spend premium picks on the position are almost always shown up by mid round selections. For every Zeke there’s a David Johnson, for every Fournette there’s a Kamara, for every McCaffery there’s a Kareem Hunt...
The best RB in a decade isn’t worth 1/4 of what the best QB in a 2 year span is. You can spend the day at Cedar Point and walk past at least 30 guys who could RB for a Super Bowl winning team, how many times have you walked past Tom Brady or Peyton Manning?
While I agree with your point, you are wrong on no 1st rounders have won a Super Bowl.
2000- Super Bowl XXXIV: Marshall Faulk
2006- Super Bowl XL: Jerome Bettis
2007- Super Bowl XLI: Joseph Addai
2010- Super Bowl XLIV: Reggie Bush
2014- Super Bowl XLVIII: Marshawn Lynch ( you mentioned)
So, in this millennium, there has been 5 in 19 years. So about 26%.
And even though I agree with what you are trying to say, you got it wrong. And since 2000, 1st round QB
2006- Super Bowl XL: Big Ben
2007- Super Bowl XLI: Peyton Manning
2008- Super Bowl XLII: Eli Manning
2009- Super Bowl XLIII: Big Ben
2011- Super Bowl XLV: Aaron Rodgers
2012- Super Bowl XLVI: Eli Manning
2013- Super Bowl XLVII: Joe Flacco
2016- Super Bowl 50: Peyton Manning
2018- Super Bowl LII: Carson Wentz
So in this millennium, there has been 9 in 19 years, or about 47%.
So yes QB is more important, the most important position, and it is certainly better to get a RB later as opposed to QB, but this millennium more that 50% of Super Bowl winning QB weren't 1st rounders.
I like your premise, but don't put incorrect facts to present your case
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Oops, I forgot to say Starting RBs as the source I was using only listed the starters. But the fact that first rounder Addai was outperformed by undrafted Rhodes still works for the argument. Faulk doesn’t count because I said 15 years. Bettis wasn’t the starter and signifies the changing of the guard. By the time he won a Super Bowl he was just a fat butt figure head who fell down into the end zone sometimes. Averaged about 40 yds/game in the playoffs in 2005. Did pretty well pulling off the type 2 shuffle for a few TDs though. Reggie Bush is a great example of when taking a first round QB goes wrong....At any rate, how many undrafted QBs have won a super bowl? Warner is the only one I can think of.
Edit: or maybe a better question is how many times does a first round QB back up an undrafted QB?
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Duke could move to the slot actually. You might need to give Barkley a breather here and there but nothing like Crowell and Johnson do now.
You're not going to want to take Barkley out of the game. He's either getting the ball, creating a distraction to help his teammates get the ball or he's helping to protect the Quarterback.
Duke could move to the slot actually. You might need to give Barkley a breather here and there but nothing like Crowell and Johnson do now.
You're not going to want to take Barkley out of the game. He's either getting the ball, creating a distraction to help his teammates get the ball or he's helping to protect the Quarterback.
Exactly, which means Crowell is sitting on the bench. Its seemed like the Browns were moving on from Crowell this past season. I thought that he was hurt too, but not really sure..Looks like the Browns will let him test the market and come back with an offer to match. If Dorsey does not resign him its a given that Barkley is the 1 pick and 4 the QB pick.
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What about Crowell?
Crow packed his locker, while Hue ran the cops (up the middle of course) to Crows home evacuation..
Crow packed his locker, while Hue ran the cops (up the middle of course) to Crows home evacuation..
Have you heard anything about a new contract?
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Duke could move to the slot actually. You might need to give Barkley a breather here and there but nothing like Crowell and Johnson do now.
You're not going to want to take Barkley out of the game. He's either getting the ball, creating a distraction to help his teammates get the ball or he's helping to protect the Quarterback.
Exactly, which means Crowell is sitting on the bench. Its seemed like the Browns were moving on from Crowell this past season. I thought that he was hurt too, but not really sure..Looks like the Browns will let him test the market and come back with an offer to match. If Dorsey does not resign him its a given that Barkley is the 1 pick and 4 the QB pick.
Exactly, which means Crowell is sitting on the bench. Its seemed like the Browns were moving on from Crowell this past season. I thought that he was hurt too, but not really sure..Looks like the Browns will let him test the market and come back with an offer to match. If Dorsey does not resign him its a given that Barkley is the 1 pick and 4 the QB pick.
Because Crowell is not coming back it's a given that Barkley is the #1 pick?
That's some interesting logic, there.
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Have you heard anything about a new contract?
https://www.dawgsbynature.com/2018/2/7/16986826/list-of-the-cleveland-browns-free-agents Crow starts over with contract with Dorsey. A guy that points at improving talent, Spottrac values Crow about 5.6M/year.(saints M.Ingram $) New eyes of New RB coach & Todd Haley at OC can't hurt talent evaluations. Can't see us now winning a matching deal now? (never do)imo Crow & agent won't see the money they are looking either.
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Have you heard anything about a new contract?
https://www.dawgsbynature.com/2018/2/7/16986826/list-of-the-cleveland-browns-free-agents Crow starts over with contract with Dorsey. A guy that points at improving talent, Spottrac values Crow about 5.6M/year.(saints M.Ingram $) New eyes of New RB coach & Todd Haley at OC can't hurt talent evaluations. Can't see us now winning a matching deal now? (never do)imo Crow & agent won't see the money they are looking either.
https://www.dawgsbynature.com/2018/2/7/16986826/list-of-the-cleveland-browns-free-agents Crow starts over with contract with Dorsey. A guy that points at improving talent, Spottrac values Crow about 5.6M/year.(saints M.Ingram $) New eyes of New RB coach & Todd Haley at OC can't hurt talent evaluations. Can't see us now winning a matching deal now? (never do)imo Crow & agent won't see the money they are looking either.
There are several RBs in this draft better than the Blind Crow. 2nd round will be just fine for the Browns to get one too.
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Exactly, which means Crowell is sitting on the bench. Its seemed like the Browns were moving on from Crowell this past season. I thought that he was hurt too, but not really sure..Looks like the Browns will let him test the market and come back with an offer to match. If Dorsey does not resign him its a given that Barkley is the 1 pick and 4 the QB pick.
Because Crowell is not coming back it's a given that Barkley is the #1 pick?
That's some interesting logic, there.
Because Crowell is not coming back it's a given that Barkley is the #1 pick?
That's some interesting logic, there.
Because the Giants and Colts dont need a QB right now unless he is in later rounds. If NY or INDY went QB, they then have to pay the guy top 10 money while creating a QB controversy that nobody wants.
Barkley # 1, 2nd Giants ,3rd Colts, Browns QB at # 4. Leaving Barkley exposed is too risky because all you hear is that all Manning and Luck need is talent around them to succeed.
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Have you heard anything about a new contract?
https://www.dawgsbynature.com/2018/2/7/16986826/list-of-the-cleveland-browns-free-agents Crow starts over with contract with Dorsey. A guy that points at improving talent, Spottrac values Crow about 5.6M/year.(saints M.Ingram $) New eyes of New RB coach & Todd Haley at OC can't hurt talent evaluations. Can't see us now winning a matching deal now? (never do)imo Crow & agent won't see the money they are looking either.
https://www.dawgsbynature.com/2018/2/7/16986826/list-of-the-cleveland-browns-free-agents Crow starts over with contract with Dorsey. A guy that points at improving talent, Spottrac values Crow about 5.6M/year.(saints M.Ingram $) New eyes of New RB coach & Todd Haley at OC can't hurt talent evaluations. Can't see us now winning a matching deal now? (never do)imo Crow & agent won't see the money they are looking either.
Crazy that Gordon is only a ERFA.
Seems like hes been around forever.
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Because Crowell is not coming back it's a given that Barkley is the #1 pick?
That's some interesting logic, there.
Because the Giants and Colts dont need a QB right now unless he is in later rounds. If NY or INDY went QB, they then have to pay the guy top 10 money while creating a QB controversy that nobody wants.
Barkley # 1, 2nd Giants ,3rd Colts, Browns QB at # 4. Leaving Barkley exposed is too risky because all you hear is that all Manning and Luck need is talent around them to succeed.
Because the Giants and Colts dont need a QB right now unless he is in later rounds. If NY or INDY went QB, they then have to pay the guy top 10 money while creating a QB controversy that nobody wants.
Barkley # 1, 2nd Giants ,3rd Colts, Browns QB at # 4. Leaving Barkley exposed is too risky because all you hear is that all Manning and Luck need is talent around them to succeed.
But you aren't factoring in a lot of things my man. One is trades. Both teams could easily trade the picks. And 2nd- especially NY they have an old QB and need to start thinking of the future. No organization thinks about the upcoming year when they draft, but the future. So yes, while Eli will be starter next year, he isn't the future there. And this past season was an abboration for the Giants. They won't be this high again to draft a top QB.
It's why the Giants got Eli to begin with. They only had a HOF QB playing, but they got Eli for the future. It's why Patriots had Jimmy G. And if Bill had his way, he would still be there.
I'm certainly not one that thinks Luck is great, but when healthy he has produced pretty good. But that team has A LOT of holes. So trading gives them more assets.
And not to mention that it is a lot easier to find a lot of production from later picks at RB as opposed to QB. And RB dont last nearly as long as QB, and that is taking your boy Brady out. A lot of the top QB's are in 30s and RB are done being elite by 30.
In conclusion, it's not as black and white as Giants and Colts dont "need" a quaterback
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Oops, I forgot to say Starting RBs as the source I was using only listed the starters. But the fact that first rounder Addai was outperformed by undrafted Rhodes still works for the argument. Faulk doesn’t count because I said 15 years. Bettis wasn’t the starter and signifies the changing of the guard. By the time he won a Super Bowl he was just a fat butt figure head who fell down into the end zone sometimes. Averaged about 40 yds/game in the playoffs in 2005. Did pretty well pulling off the type 2 shuffle for a few TDs though. Reggie Bush is a great example of when taking a first round QB goes wrong....At any rate, how many undrafted QBs have won a super bowl? Warner is the only one I can think of.
Edit: or maybe a better question is how many times does a first round QB back up an undrafted QB?
Oops, I forgot to say Starting RBs as the source I was using only listed the starters. But the fact that first rounder Addai was outperformed by undrafted Rhodes still works for the argument. Faulk doesn’t count because I said 15 years. Bettis wasn’t the starter and signifies the changing of the guard. By the time he won a Super Bowl he was just a fat butt figure head who fell down into the end zone sometimes. Averaged about 40 yds/game in the playoffs in 2005. Did pretty well pulling off the type 2 shuffle for a few TDs though. Reggie Bush is a great example of when taking a first round QB goes wrong....At any rate, how many undrafted QBs have won a super bowl? Warner is the only one I can think of.
Edit: or maybe a better question is how many times does a first round QB back up an undrafted QB?
It's easy to use one stat to prove a point, but you have to use multiple things to get a food view. Just use last 19 years, using ONE stat would certainly tell you that your best odds is with a 6th round QB.
See how that looks? So saying Bush is a good example, well he did win a Super Bowl, and there are MANY examples of how taking a QB in the 1st is wrong.
There is no sure first pick, position, etc.
And the other thing that just doesn't work is saying Addai was outperformed so it works with your argument. There has been many a time a Super Bowl winning QB was outperformed by his counterpart. That had nothing to do with where he was drafted, but how he performed a certain day some, and even more because it's a TEAM game
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https://www.dawgsbynature.com/2018/2/7/16986826/list-of-the-cleveland-browns-free-agents Crow starts over with contract with Dorsey. A guy that points at improving talent, Spottrac values Crow about 5.6M/year.(saints M.Ingram $) New eyes of New RB coach & Todd Haley at OC can't hurt talent evaluations. Can't see us now winning a matching deal now? (never do)imo Crow & agent won't see the money they are looking either.
Crazy that Gordon is only a ERFA.
Seems like hes been around forever.
Crazy that Gordon is only a ERFA.
Seems like hes been around forever.
Caught my eye too.Seems wrong from read. Josh was subliminal draft? not sure where round 2 pick fits? Work. Check later
Browns & Buffett: Got to go fishin, Down to rock bottom again, with just a few Friends -
https://dawgpounddaily.com/2018/02/12/cleveland-browns-top-5-running-back-targets-2018-nfl-draft/
How can any RB list for this draft not have Rashaad Penny on it? Seriously.
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Because the Giants and Colts dont need a QB right now unless he is in later rounds. If NY or INDY went QB, they then have to pay the guy top 10 money while creating a QB controversy that nobody wants.
Barkley # 1, 2nd Giants ,3rd Colts, Browns QB at # 4. Leaving Barkley exposed is too risky because all you hear is that all Manning and Luck need is talent around them to succeed.
But you aren't factoring in a lot of things my man. One is trades. Both teams could easily trade the picks. And 2nd- especially NY they have an old QB and need to start thinking of the future. No organization thinks about the upcoming year when they draft, but the future. So yes, while Eli will be starter next year, he isn't the future there. And this past season was an abboration for the Giants. They won't be this high again to draft a top QB.
It's why the Giants got Eli to begin with. They only had a HOF QB playing, but they got Eli for the future. It's why Patriots had Jimmy G. And if Bill had his way, he would still be there.
I'm certainly not one that thinks Luck is great, but when healthy he has produced pretty good. But that team has A LOT of holes. So trading gives them more assets.
And not to mention that it is a lot easier to find a lot of production from later picks at RB as opposed to QB. And RB dont last nearly as long as QB, and that is taking your boy Brady out. A lot of the top QB's are in 30s and RB are done being elite by 30.
In conclusion, it's not as black and white as Giants and Colts dont "need" a quaterback
But you aren't factoring in a lot of things my man. One is trades. Both teams could easily trade the picks. And 2nd- especially NY they have an old QB and need to start thinking of the future. No organization thinks about the upcoming year when they draft, but the future. So yes, while Eli will be starter next year, he isn't the future there. And this past season was an abboration for the Giants. They won't be this high again to draft a top QB.
It's why the Giants got Eli to begin with. They only had a HOF QB playing, but they got Eli for the future. It's why Patriots had Jimmy G. And if Bill had his way, he would still be there.
I'm certainly not one that thinks Luck is great, but when healthy he has produced pretty good. But that team has A LOT of holes. So trading gives them more assets.
And not to mention that it is a lot easier to find a lot of production from later picks at RB as opposed to QB. And RB dont last nearly as long as QB, and that is taking your boy Brady out. A lot of the top QB's are in 30s and RB are done being elite by 30.
In conclusion, it's not as black and white as Giants and Colts dont "need" a quaterback
All solid points and thank you for the civil explanation.
Regarding the Giants. They were terrible running the ball last season http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamoff NY is a win now franchise and youre right Eli is getting up in years. He just turned 37. Not many years are left. On draft day, Barkley is there at 2 who can help you today or a QB who is not going to play unless Eli goes down. It is very rare that NY is in this position drafting this high. But why would they trade down and how far down?
I think if Barkley is there at 2 the Giants take him and if he is gone they trade down with Denver, or NYJ who need a QB.
Im not a Luck fan either, but a common excuse why he does not succeed is the talent around him.
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But you aren't factoring in a lot of things my man. One is trades. Both teams could easily trade the picks. And 2nd- especially NY they have an old QB and need to start thinking of the future. No organization thinks about the upcoming year when they draft, but the future. So yes, while Eli will be starter next year, he isn't the future there. And this past season was an abboration for the Giants. They won't be this high again to draft a top QB.
It's why the Giants got Eli to begin with. They only had a HOF QB playing, but they got Eli for the future. It's why Patriots had Jimmy G. And if Bill had his way, he would still be there.
I'm certainly not one that thinks Luck is great, but when healthy he has produced pretty good. But that team has A LOT of holes. So trading gives them more assets.
And not to mention that it is a lot easier to find a lot of production from later picks at RB as opposed to QB. And RB dont last nearly as long as QB, and that is taking your boy Brady out. A lot of the top QB's are in 30s and RB are done being elite by 30.
In conclusion, it's not as black and white as Giants and Colts dont "need" a quaterback
All solid points and thank you for the civil explanation.
Regarding the Giants. They were terrible running the ball last season http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamoff NY is a win now franchise and youre right Eli is getting up in years. He just turned 37. Not many years are left. On draft day, Barkley is there at 2 who can help you today or a QB who is not going to play unless Eli goes down. It is very rare that NY is in this position drafting this high. But why would they trade down and how far down?
I think if Barkley is there at 2 the Giants take him and if he is gone they trade down with Denver, or NYJ who need a QB.
Im not a Luck fan either, but a common excuse why he does not succeed is the talent around him.
All solid points and thank you for the civil explanation.
Regarding the Giants. They were terrible running the ball last season http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamoff NY is a win now franchise and youre right Eli is getting up in years. He just turned 37. Not many years are left. On draft day, Barkley is there at 2 who can help you today or a QB who is not going to play unless Eli goes down. It is very rare that NY is in this position drafting this high. But why would they trade down and how far down?
I think if Barkley is there at 2 the Giants take him and if he is gone they trade down with Denver, or NYJ who need a QB.
Im not a Luck fan either, but a common excuse why he does not succeed is the talent around him.
NY won't trade down, they will take the heir apparent to Eli. They know just like everyone that they can get a good RB later. Maybe a Sony Michel in 2nd
Indy if given the opportunity, will trade to get extra picks to make them better. If I were Indy, the only 2 things I consider are OL to protect Luck, and defense
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Crazy that Gordon is only a ERFA.
Seems like hes been around forever.
Caught my eye too.Seems wrong from read. Josh was subliminal draft? not sure where round 2 pick fits? Work. Check later
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