Saquon Barkley Combine Bound
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God Bless Ya! You don't need a break. You just need to exhale and listen. The flaw in your 2nd scenario assumes Elway and others won't try to trade up and draft the 2nd QB off the board at Indy's 3rd spot before we draft. Dorsey wasn't hired to pick the 3rd QB off the board when we hold the 1st and 4th pick.
Your Barkley is a talented kid; but he's NOT perfect enough to make anyone in need of a QB bypass the QB at 1 and 2 overall. The run on QBs is underway and Cleveland has caused it.
Now, there's a team in Buffalo with 2 first round draft picks (#21 and #22) that your scenarios dismissed entirely or forgot about that may be desperate enough to sweeten the deal beyond just their 1st round picks. There's also Miami at #11 and Arizona at #15. Do you know what all 3 of these teams have in common? A desire to pick before Elway at #5 and the NYJ at #6. Then again, the Jets also want to get ahead of Elway. You never know what someone is going to offer up for a QB they like - look what the Eagles and Rams traded to get their QBs?
The alternative for Indy is to just draft 1 guy at their #3 spot as opposed to whatever multiple picks offer the competition to jump ahead of Cleveland at #4 and Denver at #5 generated. Their talent pool that led to only 4 wins sure looks like it could use multiple drafts...
By not overthinking - Cleveland has just red carpeted themselves Barkley at #4 if they want him...
What IF- We could trade #4 with a couple of other picks to package a deal to NY Giants for the #2. That way, the Giants could still get a top 4 guy, or they could trade that pick as well to the Jets to jump the Broncos, or even one of the other teams you mentioned for the Bills or Cardinals to come all the way up. This would be an even better trade for NYG because the trade to Cleveland doubles up the compensation.
What would be an example of what Cleveland would have to give up to move up 2 spots from #4 to #2?
What could the NYGs get in comparison to say- trading their #2 pick to the Jets in relation to, trading #2 to Cleveland and then trading #4 to the Jets?
Barkley at #1 and the QB OTF #2.
As much as I'd love to get a solid QB like Cousins in FA, the cost of doing so- 100 million dollars, makes me sick.
When I look at what the 49er's gave to Jimmy G, 90 million guaranteed over 3 years- I can't help but thinking what happens if he gets injured? They just lost all that capital and they are right back where they were.
Man, seeing a RB, especially one that is as good of a person as Saquon is, getting drafted #1 Overall- Would be the so unique and inspiring.
What IF- We could trade #4 with a couple of other picks to package a deal to NY Giants for the #2. That way, the Giants could still get a top 4 guy, or they could trade that pick as well to the Jets to jump the Broncos, or even one of the other teams you mentioned for the Bills or Cardinals to come all the way up. This would be an even better trade for NYG because the trade to Cleveland doubles up the compensation.
What would be an example of what Cleveland would have to give up to move up 2 spots from #4 to #2?
What could the NYGs get in comparison to say- trading their #2 pick to the Jets in relation to, trading #2 to Cleveland and then trading #4 to the Jets?
Barkley at #1 and the QB OTF #2.
As much as I'd love to get a solid QB like Cousins in FA, the cost of doing so- 100 million dollars, makes me sick.
When I look at what the 49er's gave to Jimmy G, 90 million guaranteed over 3 years- I can't help but thinking what happens if he gets injured? They just lost all that capital and they are right back where they were.
Man, seeing a RB, especially one that is as good of a person as Saquon is, getting drafted #1 Overall- Would be the so unique and inspiring.
Nope to trading up to #2 and here's why. If you go by the draft value chart #2 is worth 2,600. the #4 is worth 1,800 that's 800 we have to make up. That's the #33 (580), a future second- and probably more. We could probably flip picks with the Colts only giving up a second, if you want to play the scenario game. Why give up a pick when a RB who just might be as good as Barkley will be there in the second round? You can bet a QB needy team will offer the Colts a lot more than that.... It cost the Eagles two firsts, and a lot of other picks to move up from #8 to #2 for Wentz.
If someone wants a qb THAT bad, Dorsey will listen to a trade down out of #1 to get the boatload of picks- but he won't- because by draft day, he's going to have a favorite in mind.
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Why the hell PoG would the Browns use their #4 overall pick on a QB when they could just sign the franchise QB of the future in Kevin Hogan to a contract extension?
Or are you admitting that you filled this board with absolute nonsense for months regarding your love affair for Crazy Kev? Just like you are now with Barkley.
Why the hell PoG would the Browns use their #4 overall pick on a QB when they could just sign the franchise QB of the future in Kevin Hogan to a contract extension?
Or are you admitting that you filled this board with absolute nonsense for months regarding your love affair for Crazy Kev? Just like you are now with Barkley.
Tell ya Dutch, I'm just shocked the Browns haven't offered Hogan a $120 million contract extension yet. With all the other teams ringing Dorsey's phone off the hook offering multiple draft picks for Super Kevin.
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I swear to God it's like you people don't even know how the google machine works.
Barkley: https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/saquon-barkley-1.html
Zeke: https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/ezekiel-elliott-1.html
And you'd realize their stats are actually alarmingly similar. They scored the exact same amount of rushing TD's and within 100 yards of each other in rushing yards. Barkley decisively has the edge in receiving TD's as well and only has a lower YPC clip as he rushed over 100 times more than Zeke did.
If you don't like a guy, that's fine. This has not for me ever been a love fest for Barkley. But jesus christ, at least try to make a case for yourself.
Probably the way a crackhead might look at it.
Probably the way a crackhead might look at it.
keep going, I'd love to hear your end point.
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Before they went to electronic timing, Darryl Green and Bo Jackson hold the unofficial records at 4.1 or something like that. Track speed doesn't mean much if you're not a football player, or can't stay healthy (ask the Bengals about 4.22 John Ross). I'd be mighty curious to see what Usain Bolt could do in a 40.
LOL, if Saquon is another Bo, I'd be interested @ #4, not #1 though. Quarterback comes first. As Jiggins pointed out, Dorsey hasn't taken RBs high, and there's a ton of quality guys who will be there in the second round.
Didn't Ben Gay (RB) run a 4.3 or some Sheet?
Didn't Ben Gay (RB) run a 4.3 or some Sheet?
Was that before or after Butch's James Jackson outrushed Edge James in every dream he had?
Remember when we could have drafted Tomlinson instead of Gerlardasss Warren at #3 overall? My God, we've been getting the RB position just as wrong as the QB and WR positions all this time.
Our FOs have been pretty damn summer school about the overthinking it. I'm glad we've made the changes at the top we needed to this offseason as well as the trickle down to bringing in an OC. Feeling very refreshed and excited for the opportunities on our door step today....
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Why the hell PoG would the Browns use their #4 overall pick on a QB when they could just sign the franchise QB of the future in Kevin Hogan to a contract extension?
Or are you admitting that you filled this board with absolute nonsense for months regarding your love affair for Crazy Kev? Just like you are now with Barkley.
Why the hell PoG would the Browns use their #4 overall pick on a QB when they could just sign the franchise QB of the future in Kevin Hogan to a contract extension?
Or are you admitting that you filled this board with absolute nonsense for months regarding your love affair for Crazy Kev? Just like you are now with Barkley.
I would have given you a thatta boy if i wasn't right there with Poe wishing I could feel like something better than the food poisoning feeling Kizer always seemed to instill upon me in red zones and repetition of mistakes he should have improved upon (especially ball security). Hogan got 3 quarters while Kizer did zero to get 14 or 15 starts.
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
Probably the way a crackhead might look at it.
keep going, I'd love to hear your end point.
keep going, I'd love to hear your end point.
Put the pipe down and you just might figure it out
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Put the pipe down and you just might figure it out
I expected stupid and I'm still disappointed.
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Why the hell PoG would the Browns use their #4 overall pick on a QB when they could just sign the franchise QB of the future in Kevin Hogan to a contract extension?
Or are you admitting that you filled this board with absolute nonsense for months regarding your love affair for Crazy Kev? Just like you are now with Barkley.
I would have given you a thatta boy if i wasn't right there with Poe wishing I could feel like something better than the food poisoning feeling Kizer always seemed to instill upon me in red zones and repetition of mistakes he should have improved upon (especially ball security). Hogan got 3 quarters while Kizer did zero to get 14 or 15 starts.
I would have given you a thatta boy if i wasn't right there with Poe wishing I could feel like something better than the food poisoning feeling Kizer always seemed to instill upon me in red zones and repetition of mistakes he should have improved upon (especially ball security). Hogan got 3 quarters while Kizer did zero to get 14 or 15 starts.
Kevin Hogan and his noodle arm won't get 14 or 15 starts in his entire NFL career.
Kizer had no business starting so early, but he shouldn't had to sit behind PoG's man-crush.
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I’d love for the Giants or Colts to draft Saquon. If Barkley is one of the 2 picks between browns selections, odds are good that we’ll have Bradley Chubb waiting at #4
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The odds of this team picking the wrong QB or RB is 100 percent. Fold the franchise.
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Anybody want to try these projections?
40 Yard Dash - 4.26
Bench Press - 33
Vertical Jump - 39.5
Broad Jump - 11 feet 11 inches
3 Cone Drill - 6.33
20 yard Shuttle Run - 3.82
60 yard Shuttle Run - 10.77
If you look at a man the way that he IS, he can only become worse. But look at him as if he were what he COULD be, then he becomes what he SHOULD be. -Geothe
The secret of getting ahead is getting started. The secret of getting started is breaking your complex overwhelming tasks into small manageable tasks, and then starting on the first one. -Mark Twain- "It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog." -Mark Twain- -
Anybody want to try these projections?
40 Yard Dash - 4.26
Bench Press - 33
Vertical Jump - 39.5
Broad Jump - 11 feet 11 inches
3 Cone Drill - 6.33
20 yard Shuttle Run - 3.82
60 yard Shuttle Run - 10.77
If you look at a man the way that he IS, he can only become worse. But look at him as if he were what he COULD be, then he becomes what he SHOULD be. -Geothe
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Do you want to try and make a prediction on his numbers, or nah?
The secret of getting ahead is getting started. The secret of getting started is breaking your complex overwhelming tasks into small manageable tasks, and then starting on the first one. -Mark Twain- "It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog." -Mark Twain- -
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I sure do!
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Well, let's see it.
The secret of getting ahead is getting started. The secret of getting started is breaking your complex overwhelming tasks into small manageable tasks, and then starting on the first one. -Mark Twain- "It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog." -Mark Twain- -
I sure do!
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Well, let's see it.
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You show me yours, and I'll show you mine.
I already put out the numbers I think he'll put up. Now you put up yours so that we can see what you see... or are you scared of what you might find? A generational talent?
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You show me yours, and I'll show you mine.
I already put out the numbers I think he'll put up. Now you put up yours so that we can see what you see... or are you scared of what you might find? A generational talent?
I already put out the numbers I think he'll put up. Now you put up yours so that we can see what you see... or are you scared of what you might find? A generational talent?
Now I see yours.
Oh my, yours is really, really impressive. So impressive. I could look at yours for the rest of the night. I'll probably dream of yours tonight. I should print yours out so I could wrap my hands around yours, it is that impressive.
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