Saquon Barkley Combine Bound
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Nobody is handing the starting QB job to anybody. Just because we draft a guy to be the QB of the future, he still has to prove that he is that guy. Until then, somebody is going to have to start until he's ready. Be that Kizer, Hogan, Kessler, McCarron or Kirk Shmucking Cousins.
I would be okay with Cousins/McCarron, Hogan and Mayfield. Personally. Best QB plays. I would develop packages to get Hogan into the game, as well as Peppers on the offensive side. There is a lot of room to use these guys that could help an offense that really struggled last year.
You said, more times than anyone could take seriously, that Kevin Hogan is a franchise QB.
If Kevin Hogan is a franchise QB, you should be starting a 22 page thread telling everyone that the #1 and #4 picks should not be used on a QB, BECAUSE THE FRANCHISE QB IS STILL ON THE ROSTER!
Since you aren't, it's obvious that you wasted everyone's time last season droning on and on and on about Kevin Hogan, and you should not be paid attention to regarding Barkley.
You said, more times than anyone could take seriously, that Kevin Hogan is a franchise QB.
If Kevin Hogan is a franchise QB, you should be starting a 22 page thread telling everyone that the #1 and #4 picks should not be used on a QB, BECAUSE THE FRANCHISE QB IS STILL ON THE ROSTER!
Since you aren't, it's obvious that you wasted everyone's time last season droning on and on and on about Kevin Hogan, and you should not be paid attention to regarding Barkley.
Don't pay attention to me then, but quit talking and start listening to NFL Scouts when THEY talk about Barkley. Listen to Barkley's coach talk about him, listen to the NFL players that talk about him. Listen to Hall of Fame Players talk about him.
Because I believe that Hogan is a good QB and could be a franchise Qb if given the chance has nothing to do with Barkley's "Super Human" abilities.
Faster than DBs, Stronger than Lineman and as elusive as Barry OR Deion Sanders, Barkley is a lethal weapon on offense or special teams. Barkley could probably play S and get away with it.
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You said, more times than anyone could take seriously, that Kevin Hogan is a franchise QB.
If Kevin Hogan is a franchise QB, you should be starting a 22 page thread telling everyone that the #1 and #4 picks should not be used on a QB, BECAUSE THE FRANCHISE QB IS STILL ON THE ROSTER!
Since you aren't, it's obvious that you wasted everyone's time last season droning on and on and on about Kevin Hogan, and you should not be paid attention to regarding Barkley.
Don't pay attention to me then, but quit talking and start listening to NFL Scouts when THEY talk about Barkley. Listen to Barkley's coach talk about him, listen to the NFL players that talk about him. Listen to Hall of Fame Players talk about him.
Because I believe that Hogan is a good QB and could be a franchise Qb if given the chance has nothing to do with Barkley's "Super Human" abilities.
Faster than DBs, Stronger than Lineman and as elusive as Barry OR Deion Sanders, Barkley is a lethal weapon on offense or special teams. Barkley could probably play S and get away with it.
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It's so funny that some guys just can't or don't want to "get it".... here read it for yourself, from an article on August 18th, 2015.
COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) -- Ezekiel Elliott and the Ohio State offensive line could make most quarterbacks look good.
For all the headlines generated by the Buckeyes' ability to replace a star quarterback with another star quarterback last season, the development of the running game was every bit as important to Ohio State's national championship season.
No matter if J.T. Barrett or Cardale Jones takes snaps for the Buckeyes this season, Elliott could be the focal point of Ohio State's offense. The junior ran for 1,878 yards and 18 touchdowns last year and enters this season on pretty much every list of Heisman Trophy hopefuls.
At the start of last season, Elliott and an offensive line breaking in four new starters struggled to get rolling. In a September home loss to Virginia Tech, Elliott ran eight times for 32 yards. But when Ohio State turned it on down the stretch, Elliott and the offensive line were dominant.
''Zeke was the exact same player all year, but then the people around him just needed to play better in order for him to really show what he was capable of,'' tackle Taylor Decker said.
Elliott had 153 yards and two scores at Michigan State, then had three 200-yard games in the postseason. Against Wisconsin, Alabama and Oregon, Elliott ran for 698 yards and eight touchdowns.
''The key with Zeke is if you can get him to the second level, his skill set at the second level is unbelievable,'' offensive line coach and co-offensive coordinator Ed Warinner said.
The offensive line now returns four starters, including Decker, who considered entering the NFL draft early before deciding to return to Columbus, and guard Pat Elflein. There might not be a better group of blockers in the country.
''I think we're definitely farther along than we were last year at this point, especially from a chemistry standpoint and an experience standpoint,'' Decker said.
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So, is it any wonder why Zeke's stats were so inflated? Imagine what a much more athletic and skilled player like Barkley would have done with Ohio State's Offensive Line. Teams began to key in on Barkley and his offensive line struggled. Penn State used this to their advantage and began to get the ball to Barkley in other ways, one of the reasons that his receptions and yards exponentially increased each season.
Barkley is the most skilled and athletic player regardless of position coming out this year. He's a freak. Fast, Strong and Elusive are just the tip of the iceberg. He's also incredibly Grounded and Hardworking. Intelligent and Humble. He's a leader on and off the field. He's the total package and completely worthy of the number 1 pick of the draft, regardless of position. He will raise the play of nearly every player on the entire team, offense - defense - special teams... he may even help Hue Jackson at being an NFL coach.
There are 6 QBs that have first round grades. In my order of best to okay- Mayfield, Allen, Darnold, Rosen, Jackson and Rudolph. And to be honest I haven't even had a chance to look at Rudolph yet so that's why he's at the bottom. But with that many QBs if you can't take Barkley #1 and still get a great QB- you should honestly start looking for a new job.
It's so funny that some guys just can't or don't want to "get it".... here read it for yourself, from an article on August 18th, 2015.
COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) -- Ezekiel Elliott and the Ohio State offensive line could make most quarterbacks look good.
For all the headlines generated by the Buckeyes' ability to replace a star quarterback with another star quarterback last season, the development of the running game was every bit as important to Ohio State's national championship season.
No matter if J.T. Barrett or Cardale Jones takes snaps for the Buckeyes this season, Elliott could be the focal point of Ohio State's offense. The junior ran for 1,878 yards and 18 touchdowns last year and enters this season on pretty much every list of Heisman Trophy hopefuls.
At the start of last season, Elliott and an offensive line breaking in four new starters struggled to get rolling. In a September home loss to Virginia Tech, Elliott ran eight times for 32 yards. But when Ohio State turned it on down the stretch, Elliott and the offensive line were dominant.
''Zeke was the exact same player all year, but then the people around him just needed to play better in order for him to really show what he was capable of,'' tackle Taylor Decker said.
Elliott had 153 yards and two scores at Michigan State, then had three 200-yard games in the postseason. Against Wisconsin, Alabama and Oregon, Elliott ran for 698 yards and eight touchdowns.
''The key with Zeke is if you can get him to the second level, his skill set at the second level is unbelievable,'' offensive line coach and co-offensive coordinator Ed Warinner said.
The offensive line now returns four starters, including Decker, who considered entering the NFL draft early before deciding to return to Columbus, and guard Pat Elflein. There might not be a better group of blockers in the country.
''I think we're definitely farther along than we were last year at this point, especially from a chemistry standpoint and an experience standpoint,'' Decker said.
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So, is it any wonder why Zeke's stats were so inflated? Imagine what a much more athletic and skilled player like Barkley would have done with Ohio State's Offensive Line. Teams began to key in on Barkley and his offensive line struggled. Penn State used this to their advantage and began to get the ball to Barkley in other ways, one of the reasons that his receptions and yards exponentially increased each season.
Barkley is the most skilled and athletic player regardless of position coming out this year. He's a freak. Fast, Strong and Elusive are just the tip of the iceberg. He's also incredibly Grounded and Hardworking. Intelligent and Humble. He's a leader on and off the field. He's the total package and completely worthy of the number 1 pick of the draft, regardless of position. He will raise the play of nearly every player on the entire team, offense - defense - special teams... he may even help Hue Jackson at being an NFL coach.
There are 6 QBs that have first round grades. In my order of best to okay- Mayfield, Allen, Darnold, Rosen, Jackson and Rudolph. And to be honest I haven't even had a chance to look at Rudolph yet so that's why he's at the bottom. But with that many QBs if you can't take Barkley #1 and still get a great QB- you should honestly start looking for a new job.
The part of ANY OF your constant Barkley stuff that makes absolutely zero sense, is what you said he at the end, "But with that many QB's if you can't take Barkley #1 and still get a great QB, you should honestly start looking for a new job.
The EXACT same can be said about RB. And the absolute fact is its easier to find a RB than a QB. You seem to think that all 4 of the QBs are great, so you still get a great one. If that is the case, great, but the likelihood of that is small.
So it seems like your QB pick is Mayfield. If the top QB is Mayfield, do you really think the Browns would be the only one to see this?
Now, I will have to be on your Barkley side for 1 thing. If he were selected 1, it doesn't matter what others in the past have done in that position. He is his own man, and will do his best to become the best player he can be.
But when you start with best ever, and better than anyone in the league, THAT is where you lose everyone and get the comments you do.
And along with draft position, everyone thinks a certain draft position in 1st for a QB is a no no since the Browns made bad picks in the past. Had they take Aaron Rodgers there, it would have been a GREAT pick. The pick isn't cursed, it's the wring talent evaluation that was wrong.
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God Bless Ya! You don't need a break. You just need to exhale and listen. The flaw in your 2nd scenario assumes Elway and others won't try to trade up and draft the 2nd QB off the board at Indy's 3rd spot before we draft. Dorsey wasn't hired to pick the 3rd QB off the board when we hold the 1st and 4th pick.
Your Barkley is a talented kid; but he's NOT perfect enough to make anyone in need of a QB bypass the QB at 1 and 2 overall. The run on QBs is underway and Cleveland has caused it.
Now, there's a team in Buffalo with 2 first round draft picks (#21 and #22) that your scenarios dismissed entirely or forgot about that may be desperate enough to sweeten the deal beyond just their 1st round picks. There's also Miami at #11 and Arizona at #15. Do you know what all 3 of these teams have in common? A desire to pick before Elway at #5 and the NYJ at #6. Then again, the Jets also want to get ahead of Elway. You never know what someone is going to offer up for a QB they like - look what the Eagles and Rams traded to get their QBs?
The alternative for Indy is to just draft 1 guy at their #3 spot as opposed to whatever multiple picks offer the competition to jump ahead of Cleveland at #4 and Denver at #5 generated. Their talent pool that led to only 4 wins sure looks like it could use multiple drafts...
By not overthinking - Cleveland has just red carpeted themselves Barkley at #4 if they want him...
What IF- We could trade #4 with a couple of other picks to package a deal to NY Giants for the #2. That way, the Giants could still get a top 4 guy, or they could trade that pick as well to the Jets to jump the Broncos, or even one of the other teams you mentioned for the Bills or Cardinals to come all the way up. This would be an even better trade for NYG because the trade to Cleveland doubles up the compensation.
What would be an example of what Cleveland would have to give up to move up 2 spots from #4 to #2?
What could the NYGs get in comparison to say- trading their #2 pick to the Jets in relation to, trading #2 to Cleveland and then trading #4 to the Jets?
Barkley at #1 and the QB OTF #2.
As much as I'd love to get a solid QB like Cousins in FA, the cost of doing so- 100 million dollars, makes me sick.
When I look at what the 49er's gave to Jimmy G, 90 million guaranteed over 3 years- I can't help but thinking what happens if he gets injured? They just lost all that capital and they are right back where they were.
Man, seeing a RB, especially one that is as good of a person as Saquon is, getting drafted #1 Overall- Would be the so unique and inspiring.
What IF- We could trade #4 with a couple of other picks to package a deal to NY Giants for the #2. That way, the Giants could still get a top 4 guy, or they could trade that pick as well to the Jets to jump the Broncos, or even one of the other teams you mentioned for the Bills or Cardinals to come all the way up. This would be an even better trade for NYG because the trade to Cleveland doubles up the compensation.
What would be an example of what Cleveland would have to give up to move up 2 spots from #4 to #2?
What could the NYGs get in comparison to say- trading their #2 pick to the Jets in relation to, trading #2 to Cleveland and then trading #4 to the Jets?
Barkley at #1 and the QB OTF #2.
As much as I'd love to get a solid QB like Cousins in FA, the cost of doing so- 100 million dollars, makes me sick.
When I look at what the 49er's gave to Jimmy G, 90 million guaranteed over 3 years- I can't help but thinking what happens if he gets injured? They just lost all that capital and they are right back where they were.
Man, seeing a RB, especially one that is as good of a person as Saquon is, getting drafted #1 Overall- Would be the so unique and inspiring.
Nope to trading up to #2 and here's why. If you go by the draft value chart #2 is worth 2,600. the #4 is worth 1,800 that's 800 we have to make up. That's the #33 (580), a future second- and probably more. We could probably flip picks with the Colts only giving up a second, if you want to play the scenario game. Why give up a pick when a RB who just might be as good as Barkley will be there in the second round? You can bet a QB needy team will offer the Colts a lot more than that.... It cost the Eagles two firsts, and a lot of other picks to move up from #8 to #2 for Wentz.
If someone wants a qb THAT bad, Dorsey will listen to a trade down out of #1 to get the boatload of picks- but he won't- because by draft day, he's going to have a favorite in mind.
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Why the hell PoG would the Browns use their #4 overall pick on a QB when they could just sign the franchise QB of the future in Kevin Hogan to a contract extension?
Or are you admitting that you filled this board with absolute nonsense for months regarding your love affair for Crazy Kev? Just like you are now with Barkley.
Why the hell PoG would the Browns use their #4 overall pick on a QB when they could just sign the franchise QB of the future in Kevin Hogan to a contract extension?
Or are you admitting that you filled this board with absolute nonsense for months regarding your love affair for Crazy Kev? Just like you are now with Barkley.
Tell ya Dutch, I'm just shocked the Browns haven't offered Hogan a $120 million contract extension yet. With all the other teams ringing Dorsey's phone off the hook offering multiple draft picks for Super Kevin.
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I swear to God it's like you people don't even know how the google machine works.
Barkley: https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/saquon-barkley-1.html
Zeke: https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/ezekiel-elliott-1.html
And you'd realize their stats are actually alarmingly similar. They scored the exact same amount of rushing TD's and within 100 yards of each other in rushing yards. Barkley decisively has the edge in receiving TD's as well and only has a lower YPC clip as he rushed over 100 times more than Zeke did.
If you don't like a guy, that's fine. This has not for me ever been a love fest for Barkley. But jesus christ, at least try to make a case for yourself.
Probably the way a crackhead might look at it.
Probably the way a crackhead might look at it.
keep going, I'd love to hear your end point.
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Before they went to electronic timing, Darryl Green and Bo Jackson hold the unofficial records at 4.1 or something like that. Track speed doesn't mean much if you're not a football player, or can't stay healthy (ask the Bengals about 4.22 John Ross). I'd be mighty curious to see what Usain Bolt could do in a 40.
LOL, if Saquon is another Bo, I'd be interested @ #4, not #1 though. Quarterback comes first. As Jiggins pointed out, Dorsey hasn't taken RBs high, and there's a ton of quality guys who will be there in the second round.
Didn't Ben Gay (RB) run a 4.3 or some Sheet?
Didn't Ben Gay (RB) run a 4.3 or some Sheet?
Was that before or after Butch's James Jackson outrushed Edge James in every dream he had?
Remember when we could have drafted Tomlinson instead of Gerlardasss Warren at #3 overall? My God, we've been getting the RB position just as wrong as the QB and WR positions all this time.
Our FOs have been pretty damn summer school about the overthinking it. I'm glad we've made the changes at the top we needed to this offseason as well as the trickle down to bringing in an OC. Feeling very refreshed and excited for the opportunities on our door step today....
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Why the hell PoG would the Browns use their #4 overall pick on a QB when they could just sign the franchise QB of the future in Kevin Hogan to a contract extension?
Or are you admitting that you filled this board with absolute nonsense for months regarding your love affair for Crazy Kev? Just like you are now with Barkley.
Why the hell PoG would the Browns use their #4 overall pick on a QB when they could just sign the franchise QB of the future in Kevin Hogan to a contract extension?
Or are you admitting that you filled this board with absolute nonsense for months regarding your love affair for Crazy Kev? Just like you are now with Barkley.
I would have given you a thatta boy if i wasn't right there with Poe wishing I could feel like something better than the food poisoning feeling Kizer always seemed to instill upon me in red zones and repetition of mistakes he should have improved upon (especially ball security). Hogan got 3 quarters while Kizer did zero to get 14 or 15 starts.
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
Probably the way a crackhead might look at it.
keep going, I'd love to hear your end point.
keep going, I'd love to hear your end point.
Put the pipe down and you just might figure it out
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Put the pipe down and you just might figure it out
I expected stupid and I'm still disappointed.
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Why the hell PoG would the Browns use their #4 overall pick on a QB when they could just sign the franchise QB of the future in Kevin Hogan to a contract extension?
Or are you admitting that you filled this board with absolute nonsense for months regarding your love affair for Crazy Kev? Just like you are now with Barkley.
I would have given you a thatta boy if i wasn't right there with Poe wishing I could feel like something better than the food poisoning feeling Kizer always seemed to instill upon me in red zones and repetition of mistakes he should have improved upon (especially ball security). Hogan got 3 quarters while Kizer did zero to get 14 or 15 starts.
I would have given you a thatta boy if i wasn't right there with Poe wishing I could feel like something better than the food poisoning feeling Kizer always seemed to instill upon me in red zones and repetition of mistakes he should have improved upon (especially ball security). Hogan got 3 quarters while Kizer did zero to get 14 or 15 starts.
Kevin Hogan and his noodle arm won't get 14 or 15 starts in his entire NFL career.
Kizer had no business starting so early, but he shouldn't had to sit behind PoG's man-crush.
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I’d love for the Giants or Colts to draft Saquon. If Barkley is one of the 2 picks between browns selections, odds are good that we’ll have Bradley Chubb waiting at #4
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The odds of this team picking the wrong QB or RB is 100 percent. Fold the franchise.
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Anybody want to try these projections?
40 Yard Dash - 4.26
Bench Press - 33
Vertical Jump - 39.5
Broad Jump - 11 feet 11 inches
3 Cone Drill - 6.33
20 yard Shuttle Run - 3.82
60 yard Shuttle Run - 10.77
If you look at a man the way that he IS, he can only become worse. But look at him as if he were what he COULD be, then he becomes what he SHOULD be. -Geothe
The secret of getting ahead is getting started. The secret of getting started is breaking your complex overwhelming tasks into small manageable tasks, and then starting on the first one. -Mark Twain- "It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog." -Mark Twain- -
Anybody want to try these projections?
40 Yard Dash - 4.26
Bench Press - 33
Vertical Jump - 39.5
Broad Jump - 11 feet 11 inches
3 Cone Drill - 6.33
20 yard Shuttle Run - 3.82
60 yard Shuttle Run - 10.77
If you look at a man the way that he IS, he can only become worse. But look at him as if he were what he COULD be, then he becomes what he SHOULD be. -Geothe
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Do you want to try and make a prediction on his numbers, or nah?
The secret of getting ahead is getting started. The secret of getting started is breaking your complex overwhelming tasks into small manageable tasks, and then starting on the first one. -Mark Twain- "It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog." -Mark Twain- -
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I sure do!
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Well, let's see it.
The secret of getting ahead is getting started. The secret of getting started is breaking your complex overwhelming tasks into small manageable tasks, and then starting on the first one. -Mark Twain- "It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog." -Mark Twain- -
I sure do!
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40 Yard Dash -
Bench Press -
Vertical Jump -
Broad Jump -
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60 yard Shuttle Run -
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Well, let's see it.
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