Saquon Barkley Combine Bound
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And I meant nothing about how Reggie Bush performed that day. But you said no 1st round back had won SB, he most certainly did win. Maybe his play wasn't a factor, but he still got that ring. Just as with Addai. I'll bet if you asked either of them if they would rather have had a ring or outperformed their counterpart, they would choose the ring.
I misspoke in my first post. I said any rb when I meant starting RB. While I’ll admit that starting doesn’t mean much for the RB position, it’s still interesting that more than one super bowl winning team in the past ten years have expected more of an undrafted RB than their first round guy.
For the most part of you don’t have a good QB and a good defense, your odds of winning a championship go waaayyy down. And while any position will field low round/undrafted guys who are successful, the odds of it happening seem much better with running backs.
I misspoke in my first post. I said any rb when I meant starting RB. While I’ll admit that starting doesn’t mean much for the RB position, it’s still interesting that more than one super bowl winning team in the past ten years have expected more of an undrafted RB than their first round guy.
For the most part of you don’t have a good QB and a good defense, your odds of winning a championship go waaayyy down. And while any position will field low round/undrafted guys who are successful, the odds of it happening seem much better with running backs.
I agree on the running back. But the issue with any position, round, etc is getting the right guy.
I'm not saying these are for sure the top 5 QB's of all time, but way up there. Brady, Montana, Manning, Favre, and Rodgers. 2 of 5 1st rounders and Rodgers was passed over. It's about the player not the round
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I agree, getting the pick right is most important, but it’s all about odds. The way I see it, your odds are a lot better spending premium picks on QB. The RB position can be handled by throwing volume at the position. Keep cycling through low round/undrafted guys at the position until something sticks. The odds of that strategy working for the QB position seems a lot less likely.
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It's not about the position the player plays or the round they were drafted in. It's about the player.
Saquon Barkley is as clean a prospect as you can find, no red flags at all. No bullring nose piercing, no gold grill, he's not an alcoholic, he doesn't do drugs or juice up.
He's super fast, has amazing agility, explosive acceleration, he has great vison, uncanny balance, soft hands and players and coaches love the kid.
It's about the player.
I'm not against getting Penny as well. He's worth a later pick.
Saquon Barkley and Raashad Penny would be a hell of running back room.
Track meet.
This draft needs to be about offense. All offense. Enough with the defense. Our young defense needs time to gel together and develop, that's all. The offense needs an overhaul, it's way past due.
Getting Gordon back for a whole year is a tremendous start. Adding a player like Barkley and maybe somebody like James Washington would make life WAAAAAY easier on whomever the Browns take at 4.
2 things again Po. You don't know that he doesn't do drugs to say as clean as prospect. You know he hasn't tested positive. Like I said before, nobody knew Tiger was doing what he was doing until he was caught. I'm not saying he isn't clean, but you are making a lot of statements that aren't set in stone.
Now on to the point others have been trying to point out to you. Maybe I can ask it a better way.
I dont know how you have the QB ranked. I know you have said you liked Mayfield. So say the top 4 QB are ranked as follows. 1. Mayfield 2. Darnold 3. Rosen 4. Allen. And say you have Baker ranked 92, Darnold 88 Rosen 82 Allen 78.
You can have either one of these scenarios.
1. Mayfield 2. Darnold 3. Chubb 4. Barkley
OR
1. Barkley 2. Mayfield 3. Darnold (DEN) 4. Rosen
And remember that for the question Rosen is ranked 82. Some have him way high, but was just showing you.
2 things again Po. You don't know that he doesn't do drugs to say as clean as prospect. You know he hasn't tested positive. Like I said before, nobody knew Tiger was doing what he was doing until he was caught. I'm not saying he isn't clean, but you are making a lot of statements that aren't set in stone.
Now on to the point others have been trying to point out to you. Maybe I can ask it a better way.
I dont know how you have the QB ranked. I know you have said you liked Mayfield. So say the top 4 QB are ranked as follows. 1. Mayfield 2. Darnold 3. Rosen 4. Allen. And say you have Baker ranked 92, Darnold 88 Rosen 82 Allen 78.
You can have either one of these scenarios.
1. Mayfield 2. Darnold 3. Chubb 4. Barkley
OR
1. Barkley 2. Mayfield 3. Darnold (DEN) 4. Rosen
And remember that for the question Rosen is ranked 82. Some have him way high, but was just showing you.
I hear you, but from what I know- from Barkley's humble beginnings, to seeing his father struggle with drugs and overcoming all of that. He's an inspiration to us all, it's not the hand you are dealt in life, it's how you play it.
From his coaches, both past and present, they all rave about his character, his teammates and guidance counselors revere him. He says and DOES all the right things.
Have you seen where he gave away his first gold medal? People like this only come around every once in a while. Of course any athlete can carry a football and run north and south. But what I see from Barkley is a master of his craft, an absolute master. He's playing the game within the game. What Barkley does is an art. There are a lot of sketch artists in the NFL, Saquon is akin to Michelangelo.
With OUR OWN troubled past, a player like Barkley is going to make a huge difference. He is a player that everyone knows and everybody loves. We are going to be watched very closely. The Browns will be on the big stage- teams that are on the big stage typically get those iffy calls that we NEVER get.
When Barkley's Browns take on the Steelers, the whole county is going to want to watch. Good Saquon vs. the dirty Bells, Rices and Mixons of the AFCN. Barkley is Cleveland's Godzilla. It's time we unleash the beast. I wished it was going to be Hillis. Then was let down by Richardson. Barkley is the truth- Zeke.
As Marcus Allen says in his interview above. Looking back over his career, he's asked to name one player, ONE player that brought out the best in him...
The secret of getting ahead is getting started. The secret of getting started is breaking your complex overwhelming tasks into small manageable tasks, and then starting on the first one. -Mark Twain- "It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog." -Mark Twain- -
The secret of getting ahead is getting started. The secret of getting started is breaking your complex overwhelming tasks into small manageable tasks, and then starting on the first one. -Mark Twain- "It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog." -Mark Twain-
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2 things again Po. You don't know that he doesn't do drugs to say as clean as prospect. You know he hasn't tested positive. Like I said before, nobody knew Tiger was doing what he was doing until he was caught. I'm not saying he isn't clean, but you are making a lot of statements that aren't set in stone.
Now on to the point others have been trying to point out to you. Maybe I can ask it a better way.
I dont know how you have the QB ranked. I know you have said you liked Mayfield. So say the top 4 QB are ranked as follows. 1. Mayfield 2. Darnold 3. Rosen 4. Allen. And say you have Baker ranked 92, Darnold 88 Rosen 82 Allen 78.
You can have either one of these scenarios.
1. Mayfield 2. Darnold 3. Chubb 4. Barkley
OR
1. Barkley 2. Mayfield 3. Darnold (DEN) 4. Rosen
And remember that for the question Rosen is ranked 82. Some have him way high, but was just showing you.
I hear you, but from what I know- from Barkley's humble beginnings, to seeing his father struggle with drugs and overcoming all of that. He's an inspiration to us all, it's not the hand you are dealt in life, it's how you play it.
From his coaches, both past and present, they all rave about his character, his teammates and guidance counselors revere him. He says and DOES all the right things.
Have you seen where he gave away his first gold medal? People like this only come around every once in a while. Of course any athlete can carry a football and run north and south. But what I see from Barkley is a master of his craft, an absolute master. He's playing the game within the game. What Barkley does is an art. There are a lot of sketch artists in the NFL, Saquon is akin to Michelangelo.
With OUR OWN troubled past, a player like Barkley is going to make a huge difference. He is a player that everyone knows and everybody loves. We are going to be watched very closely. The Browns will be on the big stage- teams that are on the big stage typically get those iffy calls that we NEVER get.
When Barkley's Browns take on the Steelers, the whole county is going to want to watch. Good Saquon vs. the dirty Bells, Rices and Mixons of the AFCN. Barkley is Cleveland's Godzilla. It's time we unleash the beast. I wished it was going to be Hillis. Then was let down by Richardson. Barkley is the truth- Zeke.
As Marcus Allen says in his interview above. Looking back over his career, he's asked to name one player, ONE player that brought out the best in him...
I hear you, but from what I know- from Barkley's humble beginnings, to seeing his father struggle with drugs and overcoming all of that. He's an inspiration to us all, it's not the hand you are dealt in life, it's how you play it.
From his coaches, both past and present, they all rave about his character, his teammates and guidance counselors revere him. He says and DOES all the right things.
Have you seen where he gave away his first gold medal? People like this only come around every once in a while. Of course any athlete can carry a football and run north and south. But what I see from Barkley is a master of his craft, an absolute master. He's playing the game within the game. What Barkley does is an art. There are a lot of sketch artists in the NFL, Saquon is akin to Michelangelo.
With OUR OWN troubled past, a player like Barkley is going to make a huge difference. He is a player that everyone knows and everybody loves. We are going to be watched very closely. The Browns will be on the big stage- teams that are on the big stage typically get those iffy calls that we NEVER get.
When Barkley's Browns take on the Steelers, the whole county is going to want to watch. Good Saquon vs. the dirty Bells, Rices and Mixons of the AFCN. Barkley is Cleveland's Godzilla. It's time we unleash the beast. I wished it was going to be Hillis. Then was let down by Richardson. Barkley is the truth- Zeke.
As Marcus Allen says in his interview above. Looking back over his career, he's asked to name one player, ONE player that brought out the best in him...
You didn't answer the question. I am really curious on your answer
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You must be allergic to winning. No wonder you're still a Browns fan! lol
Well...since you spent all last season telling us that Kevin Hogan was the QB of the future, I'm allergic to your player analysis but mostly, I"m allergic to the fact that you feel the need to beat your love for a player into the ground to the point that the majority of people here will start to irrationally hate that player just because they're sick and tired of listening to you fawn all over them.
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I hear you, but from what I know- from Barkley's humble beginnings, to seeing his father struggle with drugs and overcoming all of that. He's an inspiration to us all, it's not the hand you are dealt in life, it's how you play it.
From his coaches, both past and present, they all rave about his character, his teammates and guidance counselors revere him. He says and DOES all the right things.
Have you seen where he gave away his first gold medal? People like this only come around every once in a while. Of course any athlete can carry a football and run north and south. But what I see from Barkley is a master of his craft, an absolute master. He's playing the game within the game. What Barkley does is an art. There are a lot of sketch artists in the NFL, Saquon is akin to Michelangelo.
With OUR OWN troubled past, a player like Barkley is going to make a huge difference. He is a player that everyone knows and everybody loves. We are going to be watched very closely. The Browns will be on the big stage- teams that are on the big stage typically get those iffy calls that we NEVER get.
When Barkley's Browns take on the Steelers, the whole county is going to want to watch. Good Saquon vs. the dirty Bells, Rices and Mixons of the AFCN. Barkley is Cleveland's Godzilla. It's time we unleash the beast. I wished it was going to be Hillis. Then was let down by Richardson. Barkley is the truth- Zeke.
As Marcus Allen says in his interview above. Looking back over his career, he's asked to name one player, ONE player that brought out the best in him...
You didn't answer the question. I am really curious on your answer
You didn't answer the question. I am really curious on your answer
If you've ever seen the movie Draft Day, Costner writes down the name of a player and puts it in his pocket the day of the draft. The player I'm writing down is- Saquon Barkley, no matter what. I would put the QBs that I would like in the order of, Mayfield, Allen, Darnold, Rosen.
If I could take Barkley and Mayfield/Allen I would be ecstatic. But if Baker and Allen go 2 and 3, and I had to take Darnold/Rosen at 4? Many expect us to take Darnold #1, so yeah I could live with that. Every one of these QBs would have a lot more success as a Brown with a RB like Barkley than they would if we pass on him.
I take Barkley #1 and let the #4 sort itself out. I see 5 good QBs and at the worst case scenario I get to pick who I like the best out of 3 of them.
The secret of getting ahead is getting started. The secret of getting started is breaking your complex overwhelming tasks into small manageable tasks, and then starting on the first one. -Mark Twain- "It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog." -Mark Twain- -
You must be allergic to winning. No wonder you're still a Browns fan! lol
Well...since you spent all last season telling us that Kevin Hogan was the QB of the future, I'm allergic to your player analysis but mostly, I"m allergic to the fact that you feel the need to beat your love for a player into the ground to the point that the majority of people here will start to irrationally hate that player just because they're sick and tired of listening to you fawn all over them.
Well...since you spent all last season telling us that Kevin Hogan was the QB of the future, I'm allergic to your player analysis but mostly, I"m allergic to the fact that you feel the need to beat your love for a player into the ground to the point that the majority of people here will start to irrationally hate that player just because they're sick and tired of listening to you fawn all over them.
Why do you keep coming back then? I just don't get it.
You try and berate me but you imitate a bitch returning again and again to lap up its own vomit.
Are you really jealous of Saquon Barkley? That's IT! That's it, isn't it?
Awww, c'mon Mark, he's just a really-really great football player. Don't be like that, don't act that way- we all love you too, MO. You are a really smart football fan. You are a good read on the BrownsBoard and you are an important part of our dawgpound. You have a lot of great insights most of the time... but this time, you're just wrong bud. Get on the train brother, it's going to be awesome.
The secret of getting ahead is getting started. The secret of getting started is breaking your complex overwhelming tasks into small manageable tasks, and then starting on the first one. -Mark Twain- "It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog." -Mark Twain- -
Get to know Barkley a little better from the eyes of his QB. Take a good listen to why you want Saquon #1.
Get to know Barkley a little better from the eyes of his QB. Take a good listen to why you want Saquon #1.
I'd take Barkley's qb's word for it. He's an outstanding kid, too.
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consider three points I like to go by with the high picks in the draft:
1.What pick will pizz off the ratbirds and stinking squealers?
2. What pick will have the most dramatic effect on improving the Browns?
3. Where can I really expect them to be.
So, Barkley would do all three - he is the sure thing in this draft, and destined to be a star, no doubt.
check this out:
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Well...since you spent all last season telling us that Kevin Hogan was the QB of the future, I'm allergic to your player analysis but mostly, I"m allergic to the fact that you feel the need to beat your love for a player into the ground to the point that the majority of people here will start to irrationally hate that player just because they're sick and tired of listening to you fawn all over them.
Why do you keep coming back then? I just don't get it.
You try and berate me but you imitate a bitch returning again and again to lap up its own vomit.
Are you really jealous of Saquon Barkley? That's IT! That's it, isn't it?
Awww, c'mon Mark, he's just a really-really great football player. Don't be like that, don't act that way- we all love you too, MO. You are a really smart football fan. You are a good read on the BrownsBoard and you are an important part of our dawgpound. You have a lot of great insights most of the time... but this time, you're just wrong bud. Get on the train brother, it's going to be awesome.
Why do you keep coming back then? I just don't get it.
You try and berate me but you imitate a bitch returning again and again to lap up its own vomit.
Are you really jealous of Saquon Barkley? That's IT! That's it, isn't it?
Awww, c'mon Mark, he's just a really-really great football player. Don't be like that, don't act that way- we all love you too, MO. You are a really smart football fan. You are a good read on the BrownsBoard and you are an important part of our dawgpound. You have a lot of great insights most of the time... but this time, you're just wrong bud. Get on the train brother, it's going to be awesome.
Why do we keep coming back? Mostly because you're so over the top on Saquon it's funny in a demented sort of way. Ignore other very valid counter points, and just keep droning on with the same mantra over, and over, and over. To the point- as Mark said we're just tired of hearing more of the same old, same old.We got it weeks ago, that he's a really, really good prospect. Exactly how good I'll expound on in closing. Hell, you just watch his highlights, you'd think he scores a touchdown every other time he touches the ball, something we've said is of minimal value when assessing a player.
Why would any of us have a reason to be jealous of him?
OK, I've done my scouting. Barkley looks as good as any running back as I've seen since the Browns returned in '99, including one who's in the HOF. Better? That remains to be seen. Does that mean we HAVE to draft him #1? Um no. None of those other guys were. It just may be Dorsey & Company will put a higher priority on putting an end to adding another name or three to the quarterback jersey every year.
Draft isn't until April 26th, a lot can happen in the meantime.
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Why do you keep coming back then? I just don't get it.
You try and berate me but you imitate a bitch returning again and again to lap up its own vomit.
Are you really jealous of Saquon Barkley? That's IT! That's it, isn't it?
Awww, c'mon Mark, he's just a really-really great football player. Don't be like that, don't act that way- we all love you too, MO. You are a really smart football fan. You are a good read on the BrownsBoard and you are an important part of our dawgpound. You have a lot of great insights most of the time... but this time, you're just wrong bud. Get on the train brother, it's going to be awesome.
Why do we keep coming back? Mostly because you're so over the top on Saquon it's funny in a demented sort of way. Ignore other very valid counter points, and just keep droning on with the same mantra over, and over, and over. To the point- as Mark said we're just tired of hearing more of the same old, same old.We got it weeks ago, that he's a really, really good prospect. Exactly how good I'll expound on in closing. Hell, you just watch his highlights, you'd think he scores a touchdown every other time he touches the ball, something we've said is of minimal value when assessing a player.
Why would any of us have a reason to be jealous of him?
OK, I've done my scouting. Barkley looks as good as any running back as I've seen since the Browns returned in '99, including one who's in the HOF. Better? That remains to be seen. Does that mean we HAVE to draft him #1? Um no. None of those other guys were. It just may be Dorsey & Company will put a higher priority on putting an end to adding another name or three to the quarterback jersey every year.
Draft isn't until April 26th, a lot can happen in the meantime.
Why do we keep coming back? Mostly because you're so over the top on Saquon it's funny in a demented sort of way. Ignore other very valid counter points, and just keep droning on with the same mantra over, and over, and over. To the point- as Mark said we're just tired of hearing more of the same old, same old.
You have to understand cal to understand his love for Barkley and the Great Orange One.
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https://www.dawgsbynature.com/2018/2/7/16986826/list-of-the-cleveland-browns-free-agents Crow starts over with contract with Dorsey. A guy that points at improving talent, Spottrac values Crow about 5.6M/year.(saints M.Ingram $) New eyes of New RB coach & Todd Haley at OC can't hurt talent evaluations. Can't see us now winning a matching deal now? (never do)imo Crow & agent won't see the money they are looking either.
There are several RBs in this draft better than the Blind Crow. 2nd round will be just fine for the Browns to get one too.
There are several RBs in this draft better than the Blind Crow. 2nd round will be just fine for the Browns to get one too.
agree..but lets try something new.When ya sit on over 100M in cap space whats wrong with throwing market value 5.5M-6M at Crow..Farmer stole the guy as a UDFA that we again built up paying nothing 4 years..Just as Hunt & Kamara it's always good to have 2 backs at position. Duke & Dayes got the other half covered.
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There are several RBs in this draft better than the Blind Crow. 2nd round will be just fine for the Browns to get one too.
agree..but lets try something new.When ya sit on over 100M in cap space whats wrong with throwing market value 5.5M-6M at Crow..Farmer stole the guy as a UDFA that we again built up paying nothing 4 years..Just as Hunt & Kamara it's always good to have 2 backs at position. Duke & Dayes got the other half covered.
agree..but lets try something new.When ya sit on over 100M in cap space whats wrong with throwing market value 5.5M-6M at Crow..Farmer stole the guy as a UDFA that we again built up paying nothing 4 years..Just as Hunt & Kamara it's always good to have 2 backs at position. Duke & Dayes got the other half covered.
Duke is a free agent after the 2018 season, and Dayes has barely played. I'd consider drafting replacements for Crowell and Duke (for the future).
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Why do we keep coming back? Mostly because you're so over the top on Saquon it's funny in a demented sort of way. Ignore other very valid counter points, and just keep droning on with the same mantra over, and over, and over. To the point- as Mark said we're just tired of hearing more of the same old, same old.
You have to understand cal to understand his love for Barkley and the Great Orange One.
You have to understand cal to understand his love for Barkley and the Great Orange One.
Considering cal seems to be on a three year old's level regarding maturity, it shouldn't shock anyone that he'd come running to this thread to express his love of Barkley right after Mark told PoG off about his love affair for the kid. Cal is predictable in his foolishness.
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agree..but lets try something new.When ya sit on over 100M in cap space whats wrong with throwing market value 5.5M-6M at Crow..Farmer stole the guy as a UDFA that we again built up paying nothing 4 years..Just as Hunt & Kamara it's always good to have 2 backs at position. Duke & Dayes got the other half covered.
Duke is a free agent after the 2018 season, and Dayes has barely played. I'd consider drafting replacements for Crowell and Duke (for the future).
Duke is a free agent after the 2018 season, and Dayes has barely played. I'd consider drafting replacements for Crowell and Duke (for the future).
No, what you really want is USC's RB Hill( opps! R.Jones) to replace Duke
..Dukes been are best player in 2 seasons.GM's job is to extend them type players this off-season
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Duke is a free agent after the 2018 season, and Dayes has barely played. I'd consider drafting replacements for Crowell and Duke (for the future).
No, what you really want is USC's RB Hill( opps! R.Jones) to replace Duke
..Dukes been are best player in 2 seasons.GM's job is to extend them type players this off-season
No, what you really want is USC's RB Hill to replace Duke
..Dukes been are best player in 2 seasons.GM's job is to extend them type players this off-season
I do like me some Ronald Jones! Actually though I wouldn't be opposed to extending Duke if it can be done affordably, but in general I'm not a big fan of throwing big free agent/extension money at RBs. I'd rather just draft a new one and get cheaper years out of them.
We well earned over 100M in cap space by not paying playmaker
The Draft Class should cost us under $12M..Fix this chit'show
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