Mike Mayock 2018 NFL Draft Position Rankings
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It doesn't matter to me that Rosen is the best pure pocket passer, very, very accurate unless under pressure.
His media status as the "#1 passer" is all over the place, been posted and posted and posted and posted and posted...
I believe his "personality" and attitude about himself just puts him off my list. I believe he's the only one I kicked off my list.
I watch Allen, and White, and Mayfield, and Darnold, usually, and I see the fire and the attitude to have the work ethic and dedication to make it in the NFL. I never said Allen was the immediate starter. If that is what you want, you probably would go with Mayfield or White.
Even Woodside of Toledo is very accurate in college. He's taller than Mayfield... Is there anything you DON'T want to bitch about?
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Said this in the other deleted Mayock thread.
- Expected Ward to jump to #1. He's an 8 year boundary iso guy.
- Arden Key is pure media hype
- Harrison is a good player but he's a role player. I said mid round so anything higher will be... odd.
- Hubbard might go higher because of his 2pt ability.
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It doesn't matter to me that Rosen is the best pure pocket passer, very, very accurate unless under pressure.
His media status as the "#1 passer" is all over the place, been posted and posted and posted and posted and posted...
I believe his "personality" and attitude about himself just puts him off my list. I believe he's the only one I kicked off my list.
I watch Allen, and White, and Mayfield, and Darnold, usually, and I see the fire and the attitude to have the work ethic and dedication to make it in the NFL. I never said Allen was the immediate starter. If that is what you want, you probably would go with Mayfield or White.
Even Woodside of Toledo is very accurate in college. He's taller than Mayfield... Is there anything you DON'T want to bitch about?
. Is there anything you DON'T want to bitch about?
Who's bitching snowflake? I gave your boyfriend a posting that was positive (and from a media member who's opinion I respect) and you still want to be all gay sissy boy with me. Seems that you have an issue with me doesn't it?? I can be objective and post things positive about your boyfriend Allen. Can you do the same about Rosen, not for me because he's not my first choice at QB in this draft. I don't think you can. You have an unhealthy love for Allen while having an equally unhealthy hate for Rosen. Let me ask you the same stupid question Po asked me....will you quit being a Browns fan if they take Rosen at #1 in the draft?
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Said this in the other deleted Mayock thread.
- Expected Ward to jump to #1. He's an 8 year boundary iso guy.
- Arden Key is pure media hype
- Harrison is a good player but he's a role player. I said mid round so anything higher will be... odd.
- Hubbard might go higher because of his 2pt ability.
- Hubbard might go higher because of his 2pt ability.
Have ya watched any DE Marcus Davenport & does he remind you of Noah Spence when he was a Buckeye? 6'7"... there going to chop this kids legs to death
Browns & Buffett: Got to go fishin, Down to rock bottom again, with just a few Friends -
But...but..but...Allen before Rosen?
The completion rate.
Barkley is the best player in the draft.
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But...but..but...Allen before Rosen?
The completion rate.
Barkley is the best player in the draft.
But...but..but...Allen before Rosen?
The completion rate.
Barkley is the best player in the draft.
If you listened to Maylock talk about them, the big red flag on Allen is the 56% completion rate. Sorry but for me we already have that guy on the roster.
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Sissy Markie should watch that first video. I may be wrong about Allen, but I gots plenty of company, regardless.
It will all play out later. I'm so confused about who they will pick and when, it's ridiculous - but not as ridiculous as
being a sissy Markie. That is just way over the edge.
As we've said Cal- highlight videos can be deceiving... If Allen could do that on a consistent basis, he'd be getting a lot more love from me... I thought Mike said he was more impressed with Mayfield at the Senior Bowl, but now he likes Allen better?
As we've said Cal- highlight videos can be deceiving... If Allen could do that on a consistent basis, he'd be getting a lot more love from me... I thought Mike said he was more impressed with Mayfield at the Senior Bowl, but now he likes Allen better?
I think it isn't just some of us that are confused; these media "experts" have to be wandering minds all over the draft this year.
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Have ya watched any DE Marcus Davenport & does he remind you of Noah Spence when he was a Buckeye? 6'7"... there going to chop this kids legs to death
Saw some of him during the senior bowl. Great length. Being talk doesn't mean he'll be cut down - that's all about playing with low leverage and control. Julius peppers was pretty tall IIRC.
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. Is there anything you DON'T want to bitch about?
Who's bitching snowflake? I gave your boyfriend a posting that was positive (and from a media member who's opinion I respect) and you still want to be all gay sissy boy with me. Seems that you have an issue with me doesn't it?? I can be objective and post things positive about your boyfriend Allen. Can you do the same about Rosen, not for me because he's not my first choice at QB in this draft. I don't think you can. You have an unhealthy love for Allen while having an equally unhealthy hate for Rosen. Let me ask you the same stupid question Po asked me....will you quit being a Browns fan if they take Rosen at #1 in the draft?
Who's bitching snowflake? I gave your boyfriend a posting that was positive (and from a media member who's opinion I respect) and you still want to be all gay sissy boy with me. Seems that you have an issue with me doesn't it?? I can be objective and post things positive about your boyfriend Allen. Can you do the same about Rosen, not for me because he's not my first choice at QB in this draft. I don't think you can. You have an unhealthy love for Allen while having an equally unhealthy hate for Rosen. Let me ask you the same stupid question Po asked me....will you quit being a Browns fan if they take Rosen at #1 in the draft?
no, sissy markie - I will always be a Browns fan. But they won't draft rosenbum - he isn't a fit in the locker room or community, IMHO. There. I made a prediction. They will draft Darnold... or maybe Mayfield. I've said before that Allen isn't ready to start - Mayfield may be the only one who could hit the ground running as a rookie.
but I wouldn't count out Mike White. He could end up being a lot more an NFL qb thank some think.
I really like to watch Allen play - he reminds me of watching freaking Elway play. That isn't going to change. You BITCH like I'm the only one who thinks that. I'm not.
It's you who came out of the bitch closet and started bitching at me. I'll say it again slowly - "when you stir up a turd, it stinks more". There's your sign.
Anyways, back to football -
Mayfield has convinced me he is far more a high pick than I thought - and when I watched the State Farm All star competition - Mike White was more accurate than your boyfriend rosenbum. Rosen did win the competition by two seconds - but Mike White wasn't speed racing - he was just hitting the targets. Rosenbum badly missed on both long
And, the kid from Toledo is also very impressive. Woodside. He's "only" 6'2"
I actually quit talking about Allen because I'd said all there was to say. Will you stop being a Browns fan if they draft Allen? I'm big on character and leadership. I could post a whole lot of references to red flag questions/suggestions that rosenbum lacks seriously in that dept. why you ignore that, I don't know. That's a ryan leaf lesson.
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I believe his "ethnicity" and attitude about himself just puts him off my list. I believe he's the only one I kicked off my list.
FIFY
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Who's bitching snowflake? I gave your boyfriend a posting that was positive (and from a media member who's opinion I respect) and you still want to be all gay sissy boy with me. Seems that you have an issue with me doesn't it?? I can be objective and post things positive about your boyfriend Allen. Can you do the same about Rosen, not for me because he's not my first choice at QB in this draft. I don't think you can. You have an unhealthy love for Allen while having an equally unhealthy hate for Rosen. Let me ask you the same stupid question Po asked me....will you quit being a Browns fan if they take Rosen at #1 in the draft?
no, sissy markie - I will always be a Browns fan. But they won't draft rosenbum - he isn't a fit in the locker room or community, IMHO. There. I made a prediction. They will draft Darnold... or maybe Mayfield. I've said before that Allen isn't ready to start - Mayfield may be the only one who could hit the ground running as a rookie.
but I wouldn't count out Mike White. He could end up being a lot more an NFL qb thank some think.
I really like to watch Allen play - he reminds me of watching freaking Elway play. That isn't going to change. You BITCH like I'm the only one who thinks that. I'm not.
It's you who came out of the bitch closet and started bitching at me. I'll say it again slowly - "when you stir up a turd, it stinks more". There's your sign.
Anyways, back to football -
Mayfield has convinced me he is far more a high pick than I thought - and when I watched the State Farm All star competition - Mike White was more accurate than your boyfriend rosenbum. Rosen did win the competition by two seconds - but Mike White wasn't speed racing - he was just hitting the targets. Rosenbum badly missed on both long
And, the kid from Toledo is also very impressive. Woodside. He's "only" 6'2"
I actually quit talking about Allen because I'd said all there was to say. Will you stop being a Browns fan if they draft Allen? I'm big on character and leadership. I could post a whole lot of references to red flag questions/suggestions that rosenbum lacks seriously in that dept. why you ignore that, I don't know. That's a ryan leaf lesson.
I actually quit talking about Allen because I'd said all there was to say. Will you stop being a Browns fan if they draft Allen? I'm big on character and leadership. I could post a whole lot of references to red flag questions/suggestions that rosenbum lacks seriously in that dept. why you ignore that, I don't know. That's a ryan leaf lesson.
the problem is your references are all anonymous sources. Anyone on record, including his teammates have gone on to say the complete opposite. If you believe something, put your name to it. Therefore I take the word of someone willing to attach their name to what they would say, wouldn't you?
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Who's bitching snowflake? I gave your boyfriend a posting that was positive (and from a media member who's opinion I respect) and you still want to be all gay sissy boy with me. Seems that you have an issue with me doesn't it?? I can be objective and post things positive about your boyfriend Allen. Can you do the same about Rosen, not for me because he's not my first choice at QB in this draft. I don't think you can. You have an unhealthy love for Allen while having an equally unhealthy hate for Rosen. Let me ask you the same stupid question Po asked me....will you quit being a Browns fan if they take Rosen at #1 in the draft?
no, sissy markie - I will always be a Browns fan. But they won't draft rosenbum - he isn't a fit in the locker room or community, IMHO. There. I made a prediction. They will draft Darnold... or maybe Mayfield. I've said before that Allen isn't ready to start - Mayfield may be the only one who could hit the ground running as a rookie.
but I wouldn't count out Mike White. He could end up being a lot more an NFL qb thank some think.
I really like to watch Allen play - he reminds me of watching freaking Elway play. That isn't going to change. You BITCH like I'm the only one who thinks that. I'm not.
It's you who came out of the bitch closet and started bitching at me. I'll say it again slowly - "when you stir up a turd, it stinks more". There's your sign.
Anyways, back to football -
Mayfield has convinced me he is far more a high pick than I thought - and when I watched the State Farm All star competition - Mike White was more accurate than your boyfriend rosenbum. Rosen did win the competition by two seconds - but Mike White wasn't speed racing - he was just hitting the targets. Rosenbum badly missed on both long
And, the kid from Toledo is also very impressive. Woodside. He's "only" 6'2"
I actually quit talking about Allen because I'd said all there was to say. Will you stop being a Browns fan if they draft Allen? I'm big on character and leadership. I could post a whole lot of references to red flag questions/suggestions that rosenbum lacks seriously in that dept. why you ignore that, I don't know. That's a ryan leaf lesson.
I actually quit talking about Allen because I'd said all there was to say. Will you stop being a Browns fan if they draft Allen? I'm big on character and leadership. I could post a whole lot of references to red flag questions/suggestions that rosenbum lacks seriously in that dept. why you ignore that, I don't know. That's a ryan leaf lesson.
You continue to ignore the fact that Rosen isn't my top choice. I'd take Darnold or Mayfield over Rosen and I've said that many times. Rosen will get his chance with the interviews at the combine and the team visits and if his attitude is as bad as you claim that it is, that will all come out.
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Who's bitching snowflake? I gave your boyfriend a posting that was positive (and from a media member who's opinion I respect) and you still want to be all gay sissy boy with me. Seems that you have an issue with me doesn't it?? I can be objective and post things positive about your boyfriend Allen. Can you do the same about Rosen, not for me because he's not my first choice at QB in this draft. I don't think you can. You have an unhealthy love for Allen while having an equally unhealthy hate for Rosen. Let me ask you the same stupid question Po asked me....will you quit being a Browns fan if they take Rosen at #1 in the draft?
no, sissy markie - I will always be a Browns fan. But they won't draft rosenbum - he isn't a fit in the locker room or community, IMHO. There. I made a prediction. They will draft Darnold... or maybe Mayfield. I've said before that Allen isn't ready to start - Mayfield may be the only one who could hit the ground running as a rookie.
but I wouldn't count out Mike White. He could end up being a lot more an NFL qb thank some think.
I really like to watch Allen play - he reminds me of watching freaking Elway play. That isn't going to change. You BITCH like I'm the only one who thinks that. I'm not.
It's you who came out of the bitch closet and started bitching at me. I'll say it again slowly - "when you stir up a turd, it stinks more". There's your sign.
Anyways, back to football -
Mayfield has convinced me he is far more a high pick than I thought - and when I watched the State Farm All star competition - Mike White was more accurate than your boyfriend rosenbum. Rosen did win the competition by two seconds - but Mike White wasn't speed racing - he was just hitting the targets. Rosenbum badly missed on both long
And, the kid from Toledo is also very impressive. Woodside. He's "only" 6'2"
I actually quit talking about Allen because I'd said all there was to say. Will you stop being a Browns fan if they draft Allen? I'm big on character and leadership. I could post a whole lot of references to red flag questions/suggestions that rosenbum lacks seriously in that dept. why you ignore that, I don't know. That's a ryan leaf lesson.
Anyways, back to football -
I actually quit talking about Allen because I'd said all there was to say. Will you stop being a Browns fan if they draft Allen? I'm big on character and leadership. I could post a whole lot of references to red flag questions/suggestions that rosenbum lacks seriously in that dept. why you ignore that, I don't know. That's a ryan leaf lesson.
& Would you and Mark stop ragging on each other? Sitting on the sidelines watching the war, I almost started deleting some of it.
Now if our one trick pony with his obsessive\ compulsive fixation on a certain running back would lay off, the rest of us would be a lot happier. I even started a new Barkley thread, and it's just been more of the same. The leopard can't change his spots apparently. I can't believe Tour got so POed when I locked that thread he's been nowhere to be seen since. I'll have to call him before the combine to please come back.
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I actually quit talking about Allen because I'd said all there was to say. Will you stop being a Browns fan if they draft Allen? I'm big on character and leadership. I could post a whole lot of references to red flag questions/suggestions that rosenbum lacks seriously in that dept. why you ignore that, I don't know. That's a ryan leaf lesson.
the problem is your references are all anonymous sources. Anyone on record, including his teammates have gone on to say the complete opposite. If you believe something, put your name to it. Therefore I take the word of someone willing to attach their name to what they would say, wouldn't you?
the problem is your references are all anonymous sources. Anyone on record, including his teammates have gone on to say the complete opposite. If you believe something, put your name to it. Therefore I take the word of someone willing to attach their name to what they would say, wouldn't you?
Well, not MY sources, but it's true that the "reports" are second hand at best. Rosen's faults are the intangibles - very subjective.
There are some factors - like Rosen himself admitting he had a problem with women not liking him on his own campus, -who don't know him-. Just an added indicator -
I don't know if I expect someone who says some star is actually a jerk would have his name all over the media - and have half the folks who don't care hate him, and the other half agree with him. Maybe it's more divisiveness when it comes to intangibles.
It isn't easy to explain - like when I watched that state farm competition - guys really gravitate and joke around with guys - talking about qb's, they really like White, and Benkert, and they seem to not initiate conversation with rosen. He tried - he actively gave high faves to some guys who competed in the events here and there - that was slight, just what I notice about his games in college - guys like Jackson, Allen, Mayfield, Wentz, White, Darnold. Rudolph - their teammates and fans LOVE them. Rosen seems to be missing that.
I suppose if I knew a qb on my team was a jackwagon - I wouldn't tell the media I didn't like my qb - since that qb was good enough to go in the draft. Nobody wants to be dragged into that, or just upend his chances. But behind the scenes, off the record, I suppose I would grumble that he was not the person you would ever hang around with or cheer for.
I don't know, we'll see how it all plays out.
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Anyways, back to football -
I actually quit talking about Allen because I'd said all there was to say. Will you stop being a Browns fan if they draft Allen? I'm big on character and leadership. I could post a whole lot of references to red flag questions/suggestions that rosenbum lacks seriously in that dept. why you ignore that, I don't know. That's a ryan leaf lesson.
& Would you and Mark stop ragging on each other? Sitting on the sidelines watching the war, I almost started deleting some of it.
Now if our one trick pony with his obsessive\ compulsive fixation on a certain running back would lay off, the rest of us would be a lot happier. I even started a new Barkley thread, and it's just been more of the same. The leopard can't change his spots apparently. I can't believe Tour got so POed when I locked that thread he's been nowhere to be seen since. I'll have to call him before the combine to please come back.
& Would you and Mark stop ragging on each other? Sitting on the sidelines watching the war, I almost started deleting some of it.
Now if our one trick pony with his obsessive\ compulsive fixation on a certain running back would lay off, the rest of us would be a lot happier. I even started a new Barkley thread, and it's just been more of the same. The leopard can't change his spots apparently. I can't believe Tour got so POed when I locked that thread he's been nowhere to be seen since. I'll have to call him before the combine to please come back.
Oh, alright.
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Anyways, back to football -
I actually quit talking about Allen because I'd said all there was to say. Will you stop being a Browns fan if they draft Allen? I'm big on character and leadership. I could post a whole lot of references to red flag questions/suggestions that rosenbum lacks seriously in that dept. why you ignore that, I don't know. That's a ryan leaf lesson.
& Would you and Mark stop ragging on each other? Sitting on the sidelines watching the war, I almost started deleting some of it.
Now if our one trick pony with his obsessive\ compulsive fixation on a certain running back would lay off, the rest of us would be a lot happier. I even started a new Barkley thread, and it's just been more of the same. The leopard can't change his spots apparently. I can't believe Tour got so POed when I locked that thread he's been nowhere to be seen since. I'll have to call him before the combine to please come back.
& Would you and Mark stop ragging on each other? Sitting on the sidelines watching the war, I almost started deleting some of it.
Now if our one trick pony with his obsessive\ compulsive fixation on a certain running back would lay off, the rest of us would be a lot happier. I even started a new Barkley thread, and it's just been more of the same. The leopard can't change his spots apparently. I can't believe Tour got so POed when I locked that thread he's been nowhere to be seen since. I'll have to call him before the combine to please come back.
He probably went on vacation. You don't hardly ever see me on here when I go on vacation.
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The NFL projections in the scouting report on DaShawn Hand of Bama read exactly like Emmanuel Ogbah: One of the best against the run, not much against the pass.
Don't hate on Ogbah -- is he an all-pro? No, but only 4 DL in the AFC are. Let's don't look to replace Ogbah as a starter unless you're substituting someone substantially better.. and there's plenty of positions which can be much more significantly upgraded by a replacement before you get to Ogbah's spot.
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The NFL projections in the scouting report on DaShawn Hand of Bama read exactly like Emmanuel Ogbah: One of the best against the run, not much against the pass.
Don't hate on Ogbah -- is he an all-pro? No, but only 4 DL in the AFC are. Let's don't look to replace Ogbah as a starter unless you're substituting someone substantially better.. and there's plenty of positions which can be much more significantly upgraded by a replacement before you get to Ogbah's spot.
The NFL projections in the scouting report on DaShawn Hand of Bama read exactly like Emmanuel Ogbah: One of the best against the run, not much against the pass.
Don't hate on Ogbah -- is he an all-pro? No, but only 4 DL in the AFC are. Let's don't look to replace Ogbah as a starter unless you're substituting someone substantially better.. and there's plenty of positions which can be much more significantly upgraded by a replacement before you get to Ogbah's spot.
Ogbah plus Garrett is a great combo. Ogbah had some very good combine numbers himself. With both healthy, and Collins back, and a SS or CB this draft, we'll be a find defense to watch.
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Anyways, back to football -
I actually quit talking about Allen because I'd said all there was to say. Will you stop being a Browns fan if they draft Allen? I'm big on character and leadership. I could post a whole lot of references to red flag questions/suggestions that rosenbum lacks seriously in that dept. why you ignore that, I don't know. That's a ryan leaf lesson.
& Would you and Mark stop ragging on each other? Sitting on the sidelines watching the war, I almost started deleting some of it.
Now if our one trick pony with his obsessive\ compulsive fixation on a certain running back would lay off, the rest of us would be a lot happier. I even started a new Barkley thread, and it's just been more of the same. The leopard can't change his spots apparently. I can't believe Tour got so POed when I locked that thread he's been nowhere to be seen since. I'll have to call him before the combine to please come back.
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