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    JAFBFJ JAFBF wrote on last edited by
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      DieHardBrownsFanD DieHardBrownsFan wrote on last edited by
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      Russia started their anti-US campaign in 2014, long before I announced that I would run for President. The results of the election were not impacted. The Trump campaign did nothing wrong - no collusion!

      12:18 PM - 16 Feb 2018
       
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        "It would not have been possible for us to take power or use it in the way we have without the radio"-Joseph Goebbels, Reich Minister of Propaganda German 3rd Reich

        Just update it to social media/internet today.

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        @texasag1969 said:

        "It would not have been possible for us to take power or use it in the way we have without the radio"-Joseph Goebbels, Reich Minister of Propaganda German 3rd Reich

        Just update it to social media/internet today.

        that's how heil hitlerobaMao got elected twice. URANIUM ONE was the bribe payoff.

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          LogicIsForSquaresL LogicIsForSquares wrote on last edited by
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          Russians have the team dynamics of American politics pretty well figured out. Easy to wind up both sides.

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            Russians have the team dynamics of American politics pretty well figured out. Easy to wind up both sides.

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            jbluhm86J jbluhm86 wrote on last edited by
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            @logicisforsquares said:

            Russians have the team dynamics of American politics pretty well figured out. Easy to wind up both sides.

            Exactly, and this is just the beginning from Russia. Make no mistake, we are at war with Russia right now, albeit a cyber one. And right now, we are losing.

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              C calfoxwc wrote on last edited by
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              The russians don't favor Trump - they want to favor both - to split America up into discord.

              Then they can make major moves overseas and we are tied up in mire and can't stop them.

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                Collusion is not illegal.  

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                @diehardbrownsfan said:

                Collusion is not illegal.  

                From Law.com...... 

                collusion

                n. where two persons (or business entities through their officers or other employees) enter into a deceitful agreement, usually secret, to defraud and/or gain an unfair advantage over a third party, competitors, consumers or those with whom they are negotiating. Collusion can include secret price or wage fixing, secret rebates, or pretending to be independent of each other when actually conspiring together for their joint ends. It can range from small-town shopkeepers or heirs to a grandma's estate, to gigantic electronics companies or big league baseball team owners.

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                  @diehardbrownsfan said:

                  Collusion is not illegal.  

                  From Law.com...... 

                  collusion

                  n. where two persons (or business entities through their officers or other employees) enter into a deceitful agreement, usually secret, to defraud and/or gain an unfair advantage over a third party, competitors, consumers or those with whom they are negotiating. Collusion can include secret price or wage fixing, secret rebates, or pretending to be independent of each other when actually conspiring together for their joint ends. It can range from small-town shopkeepers or heirs to a grandma's estate, to gigantic electronics companies or big league baseball team owners.

                  See also: fraud 

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                  constructive fraud 
                  n. when the circumstances show that someone's actions give him/he...
                  defraud 
                  v. to use deceit, falsehoods or trickery to obtain money, an obje...
                  extrinsic fraud 
                  n. fraudulent acts which keep a person from obtaining information...
                  fraud 
                  n. the intentional use of deceit, a trick or some dishonest means...
                  fraud in the inducement 
                  n. the use of deceit or trick to cause someone to act to his/her ...
                  fraudulent conveyance 
                  n. the transfer (conveyance) of title to real property for the ex...
                  intrinsic fraud 
                  n. an intentionally false representation (lie) which is part of t...
                  statute of frauds 
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                  @mjp28 said:

                  From Law.com...... 

                  collusion

                  n. where two persons (or business entities through their officers or other employees) enter into a deceitful agreement, usually secret, to defraud and/or gain an unfair advantage over a third party, competitors, consumers or those with whom they are negotiating. Collusion can include secret price or wage fixing, secret rebates, or pretending to be independent of each other when actually conspiring together for their joint ends. It can range from small-town shopkeepers or heirs to a grandma's estate, to gigantic electronics companies or big league baseball team owners.

                  See also: fraud 

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                  constructive fraud 
                  n. when the circumstances show that someone's actions give him/he...
                  defraud 
                  v. to use deceit, falsehoods or trickery to obtain money, an obje...
                  extrinsic fraud 
                  n. fraudulent acts which keep a person from obtaining information...
                  fraud 
                  n. the intentional use of deceit, a trick or some dishonest means...
                  fraud in the inducement 
                  n. the use of deceit or trick to cause someone to act to his/her ...
                  fraudulent conveyance 
                  n. the transfer (conveyance) of title to real property for the ex...
                  intrinsic fraud 
                  n. an intentionally false representation (lie) which is part of t...
                  statute of frauds 
                  n. law in every state which requires that certain documents be in...

                  Your quotes mean nothing.  They have said on TV (the legal beagles) that collusion in an election is not a crime.

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                    Russian Foreign Ministry spokesperson Maria Zakharova described the indictments Friday as "absurd."
                    "(Thirteen) people intervened in the elections in the US?" she wrote on her Facebook page. "13 against billion-dollar budgets of special services? Against intelligence and counterintelligence, against the latest developments and technologies? ... Absurd? Yes."
                    "This is modern American political reality," she added in the post.
                     
                     
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                      @jbluhm86 said:

                      I think you're missing the bigger picture here, Tex. The Russians didn't solely target Clinton's campaign, they targeted nearly everyone's campaign, including other candidates in the primaries and even Trump after he won the election. The bigger picture here is that the Russians' aim was to sow discord amongst the general public and to throw our political system into chaos, which they have managed to do extremely well. 

                      I will wait until I can read the entire indictment. Like i said, popcorn and a chair because there are many months to go and more people to turn. I was here for Watergate and it did not play out overnight. And Nixon was not being gone after for collusion, but for obstruction. Will his role in covering for Don Jr/Kushner on the meeting with the Russians reach that level? We shall see. Kellyanne is one of the unwitting supporters named in this document by the way. Will she eventually turn as the noose tightens? More popcorn please.

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                      @texasag1969 said:

                      I will wait until I can read the entire indictment. Like i said, popcorn and a chair because there are many months to go and more people to turn. I was here for Watergate and it did not play out overnight. And Nixon was not being gone after for collusion, but for obstruction. Will his role in covering for Don Jr/Kushner on the meeting with the Russians reach that level? We shall see. Kellyanne is one of the unwitting supporters named in this document by the way. Will she eventually turn as the noose tightens? More popcorn please.

                      Remember when Obama tried to influence the Israeli election, when is his indictment coming?

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                        the election loss to Trump fake scandal was fixed:

                        Example:

                           That russian lawyer? Her visa had run out. You know, that russian lawyer woman who met with Trump Jr? Her name is Natalia Veselnitskaya .  her visa was denied/expired. But the obaMao injustice dept allowed her to come into the country anyways.

                        Just in time to have that meeting with Trump Jr. ObaMao had to have approved it .Why would he approve it?

                        The only legit reason was to set up the Trump admin for collusion and disgrace. This is how corrupt our deep state has become, and the dem progressive party is that deep state.

                        http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/07/12/grassley-probing-how-russian-lawyer-got-into-us-after-visa-denial.html

                        http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/07/14/mystery-solved-timeline-shows-how-russian-lawyer-got-into-us-for-trump-jr-meeting.html

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                          the election loss to Trump fake scandal was fixed:

                          Example:

                             That russian lawyer? Her visa had run out. You know, that russian lawyer woman who met with Trump Jr? Her name is Natalia Veselnitskaya .  her visa was denied/expired. But the obaMao injustice dept allowed her to come into the country anyways.

                          Just in time to have that meeting with Trump Jr. ObaMao had to have approved it .Why would he approve it?

                          The only legit reason was to set up the Trump admin for collusion and disgrace. This is how corrupt our deep state has become, and the dem progressive party is that deep state.

                          http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/07/12/grassley-probing-how-russian-lawyer-got-into-us-after-visa-denial.html

                          http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/07/14/mystery-solved-timeline-shows-how-russian-lawyer-got-into-us-for-trump-jr-meeting.html

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                          @calfoxwc said:

                          the election loss to Trump fake scandal was fixed:

                          Example:

                             That russian lawyer? Her visa had run out. You know, that russian lawyer woman who met with Trump Jr? Her name is Natalia Veselnitskaya .  her visa was denied/expired. But the obaMao injustice dept allowed her to come into the country anyways.

                          Just in time to have that meeting with Trump Jr. ObaMao had to have approved it .Why would he approve it?

                          The only legit reason was to set up the Trump admin for collusion and disgrace. This is how corrupt our deep state has become, and the dem progressive party is that deep state.

                          http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/07/12/grassley-probing-how-russian-lawyer-got-into-us-after-visa-denial.html

                          http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/07/14/mystery-solved-timeline-shows-how-russian-lawyer-got-into-us-for-trump-jr-meeting.html

                          You're losing it cal. Now your conspiracy theory is they set up Trump, Jr so he would knowingly collude with Russians? You mean they knew his character was so weak he could do nothing more than be a traitor to his country? Please. It reminds me of a little statue I got for my wife. It was a pregnant woman with a smile on her face with a little sign underneath, "The Devil Made Me Do it!"

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                            okay, then you EXPLAIN obamao and his injustice dept granting her an immediate exception, after her visa

                            WAS DENIED, just in time to have her meet with Trump jr.. Explain it. Your denial is all wet in Egypt.

                            My opinion is, helping discredit the Trump campaign was part payment for URANIUM ONE.

                            You won't talk about URANIUM ONE, so I'm going to keep asking ya.

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                                Did we the taxpayer really need to pay millions of dollars for Mueller to find out about a few Russians using hashtags?

                                Mueller has been investigating for almost a year, and all he has to show for it is several Russians using hashtags?

                                Yeah, I’d say that’s a witch hunt.

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                                    okay, then you EXPLAIN obamao and his injustice dept granting her an immediate exception, after her visa

                                    WAS DENIED, just in time to have her meet with Trump jr.. Explain it. Your denial is all wet in Egypt.

                                    My opinion is, helping discredit the Trump campaign was part payment for URANIUM ONE.

                                    You won't talk about URANIUM ONE, so I'm going to keep asking ya.

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                                    @calfoxwc said:

                                    okay, then you EXPLAIN obamao and his injustice dept granting her an immediate exception, after her visa

                                    WAS DENIED, just in time to have her meet with Trump jr.. Explain it. Your denial is all wet in Egypt.

                                    My opinion is, helping discredit the Trump campaign was part payment for URANIUM ONE.

                                    You won't talk about URANIUM ONE, so I'm going to keep asking ya.

                                    Just more deflection from the current problem. We have a president unwilling to face the obvious Russian interference in our elections because he is afraid of being seen as an illegitimate president (or worse). His congress gave him the guidance to impose sanctions on the Russians. He won't do it. That is either because he is just a really shitty president or he is completely compromised financially. I lean toward the latter. We're in a war with these bastards in Russia and we have an absentee leader in Florida. 

                                    You just keep sticking with this traitor. There is no other word for him until or unless he starts taking some real leadership in counteracting what they have been doing. If all you can take from today's indictments is just more Sheet about Democrats, then you are a lost cause. Your focus should be on what they did and what they are doing to tear this democracy down and what our CURRENT president is going to do about it or why he has done nothing. Do we have a president or do we have a traitor? That's the question. Nothing else matters.

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                                      @calfoxwc said:

                                      okay, then you EXPLAIN obamao and his injustice dept granting her an immediate exception, after her visa

                                      WAS DENIED, just in time to have her meet with Trump jr.. Explain it. Your denial is all wet in Egypt.

                                      My opinion is, helping discredit the Trump campaign was part payment for URANIUM ONE.

                                      You won't talk about URANIUM ONE, so I'm going to keep asking ya.

                                      Just more deflection from the current problem. We have a president unwilling to face the obvious Russian interference in our elections because he is afraid of being seen as an illegitimate president (or worse). His congress gave him the guidance to impose sanctions on the Russians. He won't do it. That is either because he is just a really shitty president or he is completely compromised financially. I lean toward the latter. We're in a war with these bastards in Russia and we have an absentee leader in Florida. 

                                      You just keep sticking with this traitor. There is no other word for him until or unless he starts taking some real leadership in counteracting what they have been doing. If all you can take from today's indictments is just more Sheet about Democrats, then you are a lost cause. Your focus should be on what they did and what they are doing to tear this democracy down and what our CURRENT president is going to do about it or why he has done nothing. Do we have a president or do we have a traitor? That's the question. Nothing else matters.

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                                      @texasag1969 said:

                                      Just more deflection from the current problem. We have a president unwilling to face the obvious Russian interference in our elections because he is afraid of being seen as an illegitimate president (or worse). His congress gave him the guidance to impose sanctions on the Russians. He won't do it. That is either because he is just a really shitty president or he is completely compromised financially. I lean toward the latter. We're in a war with these bastards in Russia and we have an absentee leader in Florida. 

                                      You just keep sticking with this traitor. There is no other word for him until or unless he starts taking some real leadership in counteracting what they have been doing. If all you can take from today's indictments is just more Sheet about Democrats, then you are a lost cause. Your focus should be on what they did and what they are doing to tear this democracy down and what our CURRENT president is going to do about it or why he has done nothing. Do we have a president or do we have a traitor? That's the question. Nothing else matters.

                                      URANIUM ONE. Explain it, or your post is a deflection.

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                                        @calfoxwc said:

                                        okay, then you EXPLAIN obamao and his injustice dept granting her an immediate exception, after her visa

                                        WAS DENIED, just in time to have her meet with Trump jr.. Explain it. Your denial is all wet in Egypt.

                                        My opinion is, helping discredit the Trump campaign was part payment for URANIUM ONE.

                                        You won't talk about URANIUM ONE, so I'm going to keep asking ya.

                                        Just more deflection from the current problem. We have a president unwilling to face the obvious Russian interference in our elections because he is afraid of being seen as an illegitimate president (or worse). His congress gave him the guidance to impose sanctions on the Russians. He won't do it. That is either because he is just a really shitty president or he is completely compromised financially. I lean toward the latter. We're in a war with these bastards in Russia and we have an absentee leader in Florida. 

                                        You just keep sticking with this traitor. There is no other word for him until or unless he starts taking some real leadership in counteracting what they have been doing. If all you can take from today's indictments is just more Sheet about Democrats, then you are a lost cause. Your focus should be on what they did and what they are doing to tear this democracy down and what our CURRENT president is going to do about it or why he has done nothing. Do we have a president or do we have a traitor? That's the question. Nothing else matters.

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                                        @texasag1969 said:

                                        Just more deflection from the current problem. We have a president unwilling to face the obvious Russian interference in our elections because he is afraid of being seen as an illegitimate president (or worse). His congress gave him the guidance to impose sanctions on the Russians. He won't do it. That is either because he is just a really shitty president or he is completely compromised financially. I lean toward the latter. We're in a war with these bastards in Russia and we have an absentee leader in Florida. 

                                        You just keep sticking with this traitor. There is no other word for him until or unless he starts taking some real leadership in counteracting what they have been doing. If all you can take from today's indictments is just more Sheet about Democrats, then you are a lost cause. Your focus should be on what they did and what they are doing to tear this democracy down and what our CURRENT president is going to do about it or why he has done nothing. Do we have a president or do we have a traitor? That's the question. Nothing else matters.

                                        "Legal experts say there are legitimate reasons an administration might need to withhold sanctions that it's required by law to implement. It might know something Congress doesn't about how putting these in place could harm national security. And some key Republicans seem to be giving the administration the benefit of the doubt that that's exactly what's going on."

                                        https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/the-fix/wp/2018/01/30/even-if-trump-is-blatantly-ignoring-the-russia-sanctions-law-theres-not-a-lot-congress-can-do-about-it/

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                                          https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/02/16/indictment-reveals-russians-also-organized-anti-trump-rallies-after-election.amp.html&ved=0ahUKEwiJ5aLZvazZAhUBEawKHYBcD3QQiJQBCCYwAA&usg=AOvVaw0Bgb3meB516tjJ9ZrxBEkW&ampcf=1

                                          https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2018/02/16/russians-staged-pro-trump-anti-clinton-rallies-across-us/amp/

                                           If you believe your government knew nothing about this until Mueller wrote it down you are well schooled in delusion.  Police departments were pressured around the country to let these people brawl like Gangs of New York.  Surely someone knew why they were doing it.  They can't pretend they didn't know when they were controlling the police.  This Russia thing is becoming obvious bullsshitt now.

                                          Seriously ask yourself what is more likely, that the FBI knew nothing about the people staging large violent protests across the country until recently or they are blaming Russia for some of the mess they don't want to admit to?  

                                          We've now gone from hackers to rally organizers on both sides.  I hardly find ignorance an option at this point.  If it happened, they let it happen.

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