McCarron Unrestricted Free Agent
-
A.J. McCarron is going to the Vikings, that's my guess. They're a playoff team, McCarron knows their head coach quite well from Cincinnati, and they aren't 1-31 in their last 2 seasons.
The Browns aren't getting Kirk Cousins, so let's not engage in any further fantasy nonsense. I already had my fantasy moment by hoping Alex Smith would come here, and that's enough hope for one offseason. Who are we going to get? Obviously, we're going to get the same crap we've always gotten. The cast off, washed up, oft-injured, has-been, looking for money QB that always go to bad teams, and that's not going to suddenly change for the worst team in NFL history.
In other words, welcome to the Cleveland Browns Josh McCown, Sam Bradford, Chase Daniels, or whoever the rest of the league DOESN'T want. That's how it works. We're likely to sign an older veteran with an injury history, and I'm guessing this guy gets injured around week 4 or 5. That's when the REAL fun starts. Why? Because that's the exact moment our coaches will have to determine whether they want to play our shiny new 1st round QB, or if they want to play Deshone Kizer. Won't THAT just be a joy to witness? Play the human turnover machine or ruin our shiny new QB? Fun times. Our only chance for finally fixing the QB quandary is to somehow, some way, by the grace of God, draft the right guy. Lord knows we're due, but suffice to say I have no confidence in it actually happening. We're going to trade the #1 pick and take whichever QB is left at 4...watch.
I guess Anything is Possible but I'm wondering why the Vikings would rather have a completely untested guy like AJ McCarron in place of one of their three actual quarterbacks? Bilgewater and Bradford have got health issues but aside from that should be quality players.
I still think there's a chance that Kizer could step up at some point
WSS
I guess Anything is Possible but I'm wondering why the Vikings would rather have a completely untested guy like AJ McCarron in place of one of their three actual quarterbacks? Bilgewater and Bradford have got health issues but aside from that should be quality players.
I still think there's a chance that Kizer could step up at some point
WSS
I completely agree with you in that it's strange Minnesota would bring in a relatively untested QB like McCarron, but everything I seem to read says Bradford, Bridgewater, and even Keenum are all heading for different teams. Now, this could all be silly season stuff, but Minnesota is also confident that their defense puts quarterbacks in excellent positions to win, and they may not pay Case Keenum what he could receive on the open market. Additionally, the Vikings are losing Pat Shurmur (yes, THAT Pat Shurmur) and it's entirely possible, if not probable, Keenum will follow him. Vikings also can't place their faith in the oft-injured Bradford or Bridgewater. They'll want to move on in my opinion.
Now, to your point about Kizer. In all honesty, there's a part of me that says NOT to count him out. I see Kizer as a hard-working individual who is his toughest critic (which is saying something). He's going to be working his tail off, reviewing film, hiring "qb gurus", and trying to find ways to get better. He's not the type of person who will demand a trade, cause a stink, or pout when the Browns draft another QB or bring in a veteran. Physically, Kizer has it. Obviously it's the mental part that concerns everyone, and then there's the accuracy issue. I've heard several analysts say that accuracy isn't generally something that gets a whole lot better at this stage, but there are always exceptions to the rule. To me, the biggest problem with Kizer's accuracy wasn't just the turnovers or throwing incomplete passes, it was the yards after catch (YAC) dilemma.
Todd Haley and Hue Jackson both are huge proponents of YAC, and they pride themselves on getting their playmakers the ball in space. This is something we simply haven't been able to do, and much of it has to do with Kizer's ball placement. Even on some big completions that may have resulted in 1st downs, typically you saw our receivers have to fall down to secure the catch, jump up for it, or slow down and wait for the rock. How many diving catches across the middle did Corey Coleman make when he was finally back in the lineup? Corey also made several others where he had to jump and bring it down, but hardly ever, IF EVER, did you see Corey catch the ball and keep running. In fact, I can't think of ONE TIME where Corey had basically ANY YAC. Now, not all of this is Kizer's fault, but you better believe a lot of it is.
Baker Mayfield is my first choice atm, with Rosen a close 2nd because they both get the ball out and get it out so the receiver can catch it and still run with it. This is also another reason why I was clamoring for Garoppolo for 2 years, and also why I was SCREAMING to get Alex Smith at basically ANY cost. Alex Smith throwing in-stride passes to Josh Gordon would terrify teams, and likely would demand a crap-ton of defensive attention which would open up things for others.
Anyway, I don't expect McCarron to come to Cleveland because he will likely want a guarantee of being the starter, and he probably won't get that in Cleveland. We're going to draft a QB either at 1 or 4, and there's no guarantee McCarron will beat that guy out, OR that he'd beat out Kizer (although it's extremely likely). Minnesota could jettison their 3 qb's (actually, I don't believe Minnesota HAS a QB on their roster, technically speaking. They're all free agents, correct?) and sign McCarron as their starter. With a dominant defense, strong running game, and solid weapons, I think they'd still be the team to beat in the NFC North. And if I'm McCarron, I'm going to the team with the best defense. The team that gets me the most possessions, the most stops, and the team that doesn't put me in the worst position game after game (like us).
For fans that want McCarron, I'm sorry, but I doubt we're getting him. For fans that DON'T want him, breathe easy. Our QBs will likely be Deshone Kizer, Baker Mayfield/Rosen/Darnold, and finished off with the old has-been/never-was type veteran QB.
-
Tough QB crowd
Yes Hue may have his bridge QB to target & compete as Starter with Kizer..But Dorsey has his guy also that he Drafted & has sat at KC till contract expired behind Alex Smith. Now set to be a FA in KC is Dorsey's QB Tyler Bray..Did I ever say I hate McCarron's ball Velocity mph of 53 mph that matches B.Hundley,Laundry Jones & Poe's hunk/hunk of burning love of Kevin Hogan? Has Hue ever saw a deep ball, that Hue wants to take shots with down the field of AJ McCarron's to AJ Green?(not many) Tyler Bray is 6'6" 215 with 59 mph. Here's some others...59mph-Cousins,Weeden,P.Lynch,Bray////58mph-Goff////57mph-Foles,C.Daniels,Wentz//////56mph-Dalton,Jimmy G,Newton,Bortles,Mariota,Colt McCoy////55mph-Keenum,R.Wilson,Maholmes,KESSLER,Flacco,Winston////52mph-Kizer///50mph--Ty.Taylor,C.Cook,M.Trubisky....how bout Deshawn Watson at 45mph... source Ourlad's
Browns & Buffett: Got to go fishin, Down to rock bottom again, with just a few Friends -
Tough QB crowd
Yes Hue may have his bridge QB to target & compete as Starter with Kizer..But Dorsey has his guy also that he Drafted & has sat at KC till contract expired behind Alex Smith. Now set to be a FA in KC is Dorsey's QB Tyler Bray..Did I ever say I hate McCarron's ball Velocity mph of 53 mph that matches B.Hundley,Laundry Jones & Poe's hunk/hunk of burning love of Kevin Hogan? Has Hue ever saw a deep ball, that Hue wants to take shots with down the field of AJ McCarron's to AJ Green?(not many) Tyler Bray is 6'6" 215 with 59 mph. Here's some others...59mph-Cousins,Weeden,P.Lynch,Bray////58mph-Goff////57mph-Foles,C.Daniels,Wentz//////56mph-Dalton,Jimmy G,Newton,Bortles,Mariota,Colt McCoy////55mph-Keenum,R.Wilson,Maholmes,KESSLER,Flacco,Winston////52mph-Kizer///50mph--Ty.Taylor,C.Cook,M.Trubisky....how bout Deshawn Watson at 45mph... source Ourlad's
Tough QB crowd
.......
You've got that right! I would like a few more to actually step up and say (admit) they/we really don't know how this current crop of 2018 will preform.
Quarterbacks like any other position aren't a guarantee unless they already have an NFL track record.
-
You've got that right!
Quarterbacks like any other position aren't a guarantee unless they already have an NFL track record.
I mean am sitting here watching Cousins tear up the Saints in New Orleans right now on Nfl Network..With a Bunch of nobodies getting his arss kicked every throw..It's a QB league that you can only take what people are willing to pay while your still walking..Like Osweiler was given the Money by Elway & Texans but why is that his fault..Make it rain Cousins(that's on Skins FO imo)..but Cousins at least has the eyes/arm of a QB..Edit-holy crap Cousins just dropped another rainbow in the bucket at 8:35 remaining in 4th..Edit- TD Cousin's..to WhoTF is Jeremy Sprinkle? it's only a light rain in the dome EDIT-Am hoping Brees gets paid in this game before Cousins
-
If we actually had a choice between signing Cousins to a long term contract versus drafting a rookie and signing another low-caliber veteran qb, I would think the majority of fans would be all over Cousins as our guy. Problem is, we're likely not to have that choice. Why on earth would he come to Cleveland? What's the difference between making $27 million and $29 million? So we can PAY him more, that's the reason why he would play for us? Hell no. And Joe Thomas being on the fence? That doesn't help.
You wanna know the frustrating thing? If we signed Kirk Cousins, we wouldn't even have to worry about drafting a QB, and just THINK of what we could do with our picks this draft. We could trade down, trade for veteran players, we could turn the 1st and 4th picks into God knows what. THAT'S the truly frustrating thing....if we could just SIGN a quality qb, we could use assets on everything else and make a team...A REAL team.
But Kirk ain't coming to Cleveland. He's not coming to the worst team in history. He's not taking more money to freeze his butt off and be under the microscope in a football crazy town that has the most rotten track record imaginable. We need to nail the qb in the draft, NOT get cute and trade down until we have our guy, and pray to the gods that we finally get it right.
-
Tough QB crowd
Yes Hue may have his bridge QB to target & compete as Starter with Kizer..But Dorsey has his guy also that he Drafted & has sat at KC till contract expired behind Alex Smith. Now set to be a FA in KC is Dorsey's QB Tyler Bray..Did I ever say I hate McCarron's ball Velocity mph of 53 mph that matches B.Hundley,Laundry Jones & Poe's hunk/hunk of burning love of Kevin Hogan? Has Hue ever saw a deep ball, that Hue wants to take shots with down the field of AJ McCarron's to AJ Green?(not many) Tyler Bray is 6'6" 215 with 59 mph. Here's some others...59mph-Cousins,Weeden,P.Lynch,Bray////58mph-Goff////57mph-Foles,C.Daniels,Wentz//////56mph-Dalton,Jimmy G,Newton,Bortles,Mariota,Colt McCoy////55mph-Keenum,R.Wilson,Maholmes,KESSLER,Flacco,Winston////52mph-Kizer///50mph--Ty.Taylor,C.Cook,M.Trubisky....how bout Deshawn Watson at 45mph... source Ourlad's
Tough QB crowd
Yes Hue may have his bridge QB to target & compete as Starter with Kizer..But Dorsey has his guy also that he Drafted & has sat at KC till contract expired behind Alex Smith. Now set to be a FA in KC is Dorsey's QB Tyler Bray..Did I ever say I hate McCarron's ball Velocity mph of 53 mph that matches B.Hundley,Laundry Jones & Poe's hunk/hunk of burning love of Kevin Hogan? Has Hue ever saw a deep ball, that Hue wants to take shots with down the field of AJ McCarron's to AJ Green?(not many) Tyler Bray is 6'6" 215 with 59 mph. Here's some others...59mph-Cousins,Weeden,P.Lynch,Bray////58mph-Goff////57mph-Foles,C.Daniels,Wentz//////56mph-Dalton,Jimmy G,Newton,Bortles,Mariota,Colt McCoy////55mph-Keenum,R.Wilson,Maholmes,KESSLER,Flacco,Winston////52mph-Kizer///50mph--Ty.Taylor,C.Cook,M.Trubisky....how bout Deshawn Watson at 45mph... source Ourlad's
Nice research Gumby- but other than having an NFL arm, not much to say about Tyler. Obviously, Dorsey knows a good deal about him. UFA out of Tennessee, Spent a year on IR with a torn ACL, and has thrown exactly one pass in a regular season game.
Regarding McCarron, you posting his ball velocity confirms what I saw in the YouTube I posted in another thread- not great. Do we want to bring in a higher priced edition of Kevin Hogan and Cody Kessler?
Doubtless Allen will be in the 59 mph range when they clock him at the combine.
I've resigned myself to the possibility Dorsey will buy into the "win now" crowd, and open the vault for Cousins. As Jiggins has said, it may not matter how much money we throw at Kirk if he's got his sights on that "win now" team.
-
If we actually had a choice between signing Cousins to a long term contract versus drafting a rookie and signing another low-caliber veteran qb, I would think the majority of fans would be all over Cousins as our guy. Problem is, we're likely not to have that choice. Why on earth would he come to Cleveland? What's the difference between making $27 million and $29 million? So we can PAY him more, that's the reason why he would play for us? Hell no. And Joe Thomas being on the fence? That doesn't help.
You wanna know the frustrating thing? If we signed Kirk Cousins, we wouldn't even have to worry about drafting a QB, and just THINK of what we could do with our picks this draft. We could trade down, trade for veteran players, we could turn the 1st and 4th picks into God knows what. THAT'S the truly frustrating thing....if we could just SIGN a quality qb, we could use assets on everything else and make a team...A REAL team.
But Kirk ain't coming to Cleveland. He's not coming to the worst team in history. He's not taking more money to freeze his butt off and be under the microscope in a football crazy town that has the most rotten track record imaginable. We need to nail the qb in the draft, NOT get cute and trade down until we have our guy, and pray to the gods that we finally get it right.
If we actually had a choice between signing Cousins to a long term contract versus drafting a rookie and signing another low-caliber veteran qb, I would think the majority of fans would be all over Cousins as our guy. Problem is, we're likely not to have that choice. Why on earth would he come to Cleveland? What's the difference between making $27 million and $29 million? So we can PAY him more, that's the reason why he would play for us? Hell no. And Joe Thomas being on the fence? That doesn't help.
You wanna know the frustrating thing? If we signed Kirk Cousins, we wouldn't even have to worry about drafting a QB, and just THINK of what we could do with our picks this draft. We could trade down, trade for veteran players, we could turn the 1st and 4th picks into God knows what. THAT'S the truly frustrating thing....if we could just SIGN a quality qb, we could use assets on everything else and make a team...A REAL team.
But Kirk ain't coming to Cleveland. He's not coming to the worst team in history. He's not taking more money to freeze his butt off and be under the microscope in a football crazy town that has the most rotten track record imaginable. We need to nail the qb in the draft, NOT get cute and trade down until we have our guy, and pray to the gods that we finally get it right.
I'm not sure he's a firm no on Cleveland as much as anyone wants to say otherwise. There is ego involved here. The Browns are going to play this up to him. They will essentially say, "You think you are great. Come to Cleveland. Turn an 0-16 team into a Super Bowl winner and you will be a GOD! Hell, just take them to the playoffs. and oh by the way, you are going to sign the richest contract in nfl history. Plus you are going to be supported with 6 of the top 65 draft picks in this draft and a whole lot of cap room for other FA's...You like that?!" There is definitely something to be said for that mindset. If he really only wants to go to a winner, than it's MN hands down. Denver is aging and not that good, AZ is in the same boat. Jet's aren't terrible but they outperformed how good that roster really is. Jax would be nice, but i'm not sure they have the cap room especially if Bortles doesn't pass his physical after wrist surgery. Cleveland is young and hungry.
The talent on the browns is not nearly as bad as their record showed. They should have won at least 4-5 games that they blew. There is way more talent on this team than the Redskins had.
-
Tough QB crowd
Yes Hue may have his bridge QB to target & compete as Starter with Kizer..But Dorsey has his guy also that he Drafted & has sat at KC till contract expired behind Alex Smith. Now set to be a FA in KC is Dorsey's QB Tyler Bray..Did I ever say I hate McCarron's ball Velocity mph of 53 mph that matches B.Hundley,Laundry Jones & Poe's hunk/hunk of burning love of Kevin Hogan? Has Hue ever saw a deep ball, that Hue wants to take shots with down the field of AJ McCarron's to AJ Green?(not many) Tyler Bray is 6'6" 215 with 59 mph. Here's some others...59mph-Cousins,Weeden,P.Lynch,Bray////58mph-Goff////57mph-Foles,C.Daniels,Wentz//////56mph-Dalton,Jimmy G,Newton,Bortles,Mariota,Colt McCoy////55mph-Keenum,R.Wilson,Maholmes,KESSLER,Flacco,Winston////52mph-Kizer///50mph--Ty.Taylor,C.Cook,M.Trubisky....how bout Deshawn Watson at 45mph... source Ourlad's
Nice research Gumby- but other than having an NFL arm, not much to say about Tyler. Obviously, Dorsey knows a good deal about him. UFA out of Tennessee, Spent a year on IR with a torn ACL, and has thrown exactly one pass in a regular season game.
Regarding McCarron, you posting his ball velocity confirms what I saw in the YouTube I posted in another thread- not great. Do we want to bring in a higher priced edition of Kevin Hogan and Cody Kessler?
Doubtless Allen will be in the 59 mph range when they clock him at the combine.
I've resigned myself to the possibility Dorsey will buy into the "win now" crowd, and open the vault for Cousins. As Jiggins has said, it may not matter how much money we throw at Kirk if he's got his sights on that "win now" team.
Regarding McCarron, you posting his ball velocity confirms what I saw in the YouTube I posted in another thread- not great. Do we want to bring in a higher priced edition of Kevin Hogan and Cody Kessler?
I've resigned myself to the possibility Dorsey will buy into the "win now" crowd, and open the vault for Cousins. As Jiggins has said, it may not matter how much money we throw at Kirk if he's got his sights on that "win now" team.
Careful or I can pay Poe to make Tyler Bray the next walking/talking Peyton Manning
..Cousins in Todd Haley's system can win here just as many times as Skins did with Cousins. Opens the door in draft to many things..Crowder at Skins would be a used toy compared to Gordon & the gift wrapped WR Christian Kirks from draft..see Poe has already brain washed me..but am not sold on Barkley..Y E T
-
Regarding McCarron, you posting his ball velocity confirms what I saw in the YouTube I posted in another thread- not great. Do we want to bring in a higher priced edition of Kevin Hogan and Cody Kessler?
I've resigned myself to the possibility Dorsey will buy into the "win now" crowd, and open the vault for Cousins. As Jiggins has said, it may not matter how much money we throw at Kirk if he's got his sights on that "win now" team.
Careful or I can pay Poe to make Tyler Bray the next walking/talking Peyton Manning
..Cousins in Todd Haley's system can win here just as many times as Skins did with Cousins. Opens the door in draft to many things..Crowder at Skins would be a used toy compared to Gordon & the gift wrapped WR Christian Kirks from draft..see Poe has already brain washed me..but am not sold on Barkley..Y E T
Careful or I can pay Poe to make Tyler Bray the next walking/talking Peyton Manning
..Cousins in Todd Haley's system can win here just as many times as Skins did with Cousins. Opens the door in draft to many things..Crowder at Skins would be a used toy compared to Gordon & the gift wrapped WR Christian Kirks from draft..see Poe has already brain washed me..but am not sold on Barkley..Y E T
On further review, and some intel from another board- when McCarron posted that lame 53 mph fastball at the combine, he was coming off a shoulder injury he suffered at Alabama. Already posted his draft profile, nfl.com had him rated as a 2nd round prospect. Had a 60% completion rate with the 'Tide, and yeah, I know- Kessler was great in that respect in college.
Regarding Cousins going 8-8 or maybe 9-7 here. Sheeze, it's a growing pre FA crowd that's been so used to the Browns going 2-14 or worse, they're ready to throw a parade for a .500 finish. I have my sights set higher.
-
I guess we will see how Hue really feels about AJ and if he has any pull. I just don't see how if we sign McCarron (28) or Cousins (30) how we can look at these guys as "bridges". Quarterbacks are playing longer and longer now. There is no reason to sign one of these guys if you are not expecting them to lead you for the next 7 to 10 years.
-
I guess we will see how Hue really feels about AJ and if he has any pull. I just don't see how if we sign McCarron (28) or Cousins (30) how we can look at these guys as "bridges". Quarterbacks are playing longer and longer now. There is no reason to sign one of these guys if you are not expecting them to lead you for the next 7 to 10 years.
I guess we will see how Hue really feels about AJ and if he has any pull. I just don't see how if we sign McCarron (28) or Cousins (30) how we can look at these guys as "bridges". Quarterbacks are playing longer and longer now. There is no reason to sign one of these guys if you are not expecting them to lead you for the next 7 to 10 years.
If they think they are expected to be only the "bridge" they won't sign with the Browns. They are expecting to be someone's starter, not a bridge. That will exclude them from considering the Browns at all. So if the Browns go after one, they had better be explaining to that person their intents with the picks coming up in the draft.
-
Careful or I can pay Poe to make Tyler Bray the next walking/talking Peyton Manning
..Cousins in Todd Haley's system can win here just as many times as Skins did with Cousins. Opens the door in draft to many things..Crowder at Skins would be a used toy compared to Gordon & the gift wrapped WR Christian Kirks from draft..see Poe has already brain washed me..but am not sold on Barkley..Y E T
On further review, and some intel from another board- when McCarron posted that lame 53 mph fastball at the combine, he was coming off a shoulder injury he suffered at Alabama. Already posted his draft profile, nfl.com had him rated as a 2nd round prospect. Had a 60% completion rate with the 'Tide, and yeah, I know- Kessler was great in that respect in college.
Regarding Cousins going 8-8 or maybe 9-7 here. Sheeze, it's a growing pre FA crowd that's been so used to the Browns going 2-14 or worse, they're ready to throw a parade for a .500 finish. I have my sights set higher.
On further review, and some intel from another board- when McCarron posted that lame 53 mph fastball at the combine, he was coming off a shoulder injury he suffered at Alabama. Already posted his draft profile, nfl.com had him rated as a 2nd round prospect. Had a 60% completion rate with the 'Tide, and yeah, I know- Kessler was great in that respect in college.
Regarding Cousins going 8-8 or maybe 9-7 here. Sheeze, it's a growing pre FA crowd that's been so used to the Browns going 2-14 or worse, they're ready to throw a parade for a .500 finish. I have my sights set higher.
I think you misinterpret people when we say we would be happy to go 8-8. Thats what Kirk Cousins was able to accomplish on bad team. The idea is we can continue to put talent around him and we can improve. Regardless if he can't get over the hump, Cousins floor turns us into playoff contenders. It's a much safer bet than relying on some wildcard rookie that has never taken an NFL snap or FA that has never seen that kind of success.
-
Tough QB crowd
Yes Hue may have his bridge QB to target & compete as Starter with Kizer..But Dorsey has his guy also that he Drafted & has sat at KC till contract expired behind Alex Smith. Now set to be a FA in KC is Dorsey's QB Tyler Bray..Did I ever say I hate McCarron's ball Velocity mph of 53 mph that matches B.Hundley,Laundry Jones & Poe's hunk/hunk of burning love of Kevin Hogan? Has Hue ever saw a deep ball, that Hue wants to take shots with down the field of AJ McCarron's to AJ Green?(not many) Tyler Bray is 6'6" 215 with 59 mph. Here's some others...59mph-Cousins,Weeden,P.Lynch,Bray////58mph-Goff////57mph-Foles,C.Daniels,Wentz//////56mph-Dalton,Jimmy G,Newton,Bortles,Mariota,Colt McCoy////55mph-Keenum,R.Wilson,Maholmes,KESSLER,Flacco,Winston////52mph-Kizer///50mph--Ty.Taylor,C.Cook,M.Trubisky....how bout Deshawn Watson at 45mph... source Ourlad's
Tough QB crowd
Yes Hue may have his bridge QB to target & compete as Starter with Kizer..But Dorsey has his guy also that he Drafted & has sat at KC till contract expired behind Alex Smith. Now set to be a FA in KC is Dorsey's QB Tyler Bray..Did I ever say I hate McCarron's ball Velocity mph of 53 mph that matches B.Hundley,Laundry Jones & Poe's hunk/hunk of burning love of Kevin Hogan? Has Hue ever saw a deep ball, that Hue wants to take shots with down the field of AJ McCarron's to AJ Green?(not many) Tyler Bray is 6'6" 215 with 59 mph. Here's some others...59mph-Cousins,Weeden,P.Lynch,Bray////58mph-Goff////57mph-Foles,C.Daniels,Wentz//////56mph-Dalton,Jimmy G,Newton,Bortles,Mariota,Colt McCoy////55mph-Keenum,R.Wilson,Maholmes,KESSLER,Flacco,Winston////52mph-Kizer///50mph--Ty.Taylor,C.Cook,M.Trubisky....how bout Deshawn Watson at 45mph... source Ourlad's
Gumby, UT was on television every week when I lived in TN. I'd be terrified if Tyler Bray is the guy Dorsey wants so hopefully you can persuade me otherwise. Here's a link of his numbers and note the types of schools/lesser competition he needed just to bring his completion % up to mediocrity overall. https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/tyler-bray-1/gamelog/
FWIW, there's a ton of highlights inclusive of some long ball ropes from Watson as well as their #1 conference ranking in scoring offense most of the time he started that should remind us ball velocity may not be the tell-all assessment some want to make it out to be. And when Houston had to go back to the other QB (Tom Savage) who has a strong arm, the offense flat lined. Other notable QBs with good ball velocity were Jamarcus Russell, JP's Lost-man, Patrick Ramsey, Derek Anderson, Kyle Boller, Jake Locker, Jay Cutler, Brandon Weeden. If guys can't make good pre-snap diagnoses and they're often late throwing the ball - ball velocity takes a back seat as depicted by many of the fellers I just named....
Like Drew Brees reminds us after his first 3 years ended with SD sporting the worst record in the NFL prompting them to draft a QB 1st overall - arm strength CAN improve. So can recognition and pre-snap reads. Staying with Drew Brees' improvement, SD finally looked at what Drew Brees did best in college and why. They decided they wanted to get him back in the same shot gun (he enjoyed at Purdue) so he could have a better view of the defensive formation in his pre-snap reads so he could get his throws there on time. Therefore, it was no coincidence they drafted a Center from Purdue in 2004 named Nick Hardwick (who snapped for countless shotguns at Purdue). All of sudden, the fitness program Brees praised for his improvements and the better pre-snap reads helping him get the ball there sooner was a double-dose of improvement.
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
There is no point to signing AJ. There is no evidence he is even a capable nfl backup, much less a starting caliber qb. I've been very unimpressed with AJ the few times he has received meaningful snaps. Very lead footed, needs a certain spot to have a decent launch, can't reset his launch point easily because he's so lead footed, etc....His upside is extremely low imo.
Cousins would be fine. But as others have said, why in the world would he sign with Cleveland? He is going to have other teams wanting his services that are far more attractive situations for really big money as well.
-
No point? The BROWNS currently have NO QB plan of succession and drafting another rookie isn't the immediate answer.
Like some talk about a "bridge" quarterback, they have nothing but Kizer right now and have gone through a ridiculous 27 (+/-) quarterbacks when some teams have gone through a small handful.
WANT AD: Quarterback wanted, experience helpful, start immediately generous pay package friendly work environment
GO BUCKEYES, BROWNS, INDIANS, CAVS, YSU, NAVY and yes I like ND! -
There is no point to signing AJ. There is no evidence he is even a capable nfl backup, much less a starting caliber qb. I've been very unimpressed with AJ the few times he has received meaningful snaps. Very lead footed, needs a certain spot to have a decent launch, can't reset his launch point easily because he's so lead footed, etc....His upside is extremely low imo.
Cousins would be fine. But as others have said, why in the world would he sign with Cleveland? He is going to have other teams wanting his services that are far more attractive situations for really big money as well.
There is no point to signing AJ. There is no evidence he is even a capable nfl backup, much less a starting caliber qb. I've been very unimpressed with AJ the few times he has received meaningful snaps. Very lead footed, needs a certain spot to have a decent launch, can't reset his launch point easily because he's so lead footed, etc....His upside is extremely low imo.
Cousins would be fine. But as others have said, why in the world would he sign with Cleveland? He is going to have other teams wanting his services that are far more attractive situations for really big money as well.
Totally disagree.
-
On further review, and some intel from another board- when McCarron posted that lame 53 mph fastball at the combine, he was coming off a shoulder injury he suffered at Alabama. Already posted his draft profile, nfl.com had him rated as a 2nd round prospect. Had a 60% completion rate with the 'Tide, and yeah, I know- Kessler was great in that respect in college.
Regarding Cousins going 8-8 or maybe 9-7 here. Sheeze, it's a growing pre FA crowd that's been so used to the Browns going 2-14 or worse, they're ready to throw a parade for a .500 finish. I have my sights set higher.
I think you misinterpret people when we say we would be happy to go 8-8. Thats what Kirk Cousins was able to accomplish on bad team. The idea is we can continue to put talent around him and we can improve. Regardless if he can't get over the hump, Cousins floor turns us into playoff contenders. It's a much safer bet than relying on some wildcard rookie that has never taken an NFL snap or FA that has never seen that kind of success.
I think you misinterpret people when we say we would be happy to go 8-8. Thats what Kirk Cousins was able to accomplish on bad team. The idea is we can continue to put talent around him and we can improve. Regardless if he can't get over the hump, Cousins floor turns us into playoff contenders. It's a much safer bet than relying on some wildcard rookie that has never taken an NFL snap or FA that has never seen that kind of success.
There are plenty of voices out there besides Redskins fans who are saying buyer beware on Cousins. Great stats. But will only get you so far. Think I said better version of Andy Dalton? When Andy had an all star set of wrs an a pair of rbs churning out 1,000 yards they made the playoffs four years running. And were one and done. Take that away, and where are the Bengals now? The goal isn't to get to the playoffs, it's to win the whole thing. Regarding AJ, he had the Steelers on the ropes in their playoff game, and couldn't finish them off.
-
I think you misinterpret people when we say we would be happy to go 8-8. Thats what Kirk Cousins was able to accomplish on bad team. The idea is we can continue to put talent around him and we can improve. Regardless if he can't get over the hump, Cousins floor turns us into playoff contenders. It's a much safer bet than relying on some wildcard rookie that has never taken an NFL snap or FA that has never seen that kind of success.
There are plenty of voices out there besides Redskins fans who are saying buyer beware on Cousins. Great stats. But will only get you so far. Think I said better version of Andy Dalton? When Andy had an all star set of wrs an a pair of rbs churning out 1,000 yards they made the playoffs four years running. And were one and done. Take that away, and where are the Bengals now? The goal isn't to get to the playoffs, it's to win the whole thing. Regarding AJ, he had the Steelers on the ropes in their playoff game, and couldn't finish them off.
There are plenty of voices out there besides Redskins fans who are saying buyer beware on Cousins. Great stats. But will only get you so far. Think I said better version of Andy Dalton? When Andy had an all star set of wrs an a pair of rbs churning out 1,000 yards they made the playoffs four years running. And were one and done. Take that away, and where are the Bengals now? The goal isn't to get to the playoffs, it's to win the whole thing. Regarding AJ, he had the Steelers on the ropes in their playoff game, and couldn't finish them off.
When you have just Kizer, himself an inexperienced quarterback both in college and his baptism of fire in the NFL, well A. Smith, Cousins, Bridge-water, McCarron, Joe Blow all look like Joe Montana......if you're a Cleveland Browns player or fan.
What's that old saying "beggars can't be choosers"? My mom used to say that.....and to my knowledge she never was an NFL GM.
The BROWNS are in QB he11 right now.
-
Tough QB crowd
Yes Hue may have his bridge QB to target & compete as Starter with Kizer..But Dorsey has his guy also that he Drafted & has sat at KC till contract expired behind Alex Smith. Now set to be a FA in KC is Dorsey's QB Tyler Bray..Did I ever say I hate McCarron's ball Velocity mph of 53 mph that matches B.Hundley,Laundry Jones & Poe's hunk/hunk of burning love of Kevin Hogan? Has Hue ever saw a deep ball, that Hue wants to take shots with down the field of AJ McCarron's to AJ Green?(not many) Tyler Bray is 6'6" 215 with 59 mph. Here's some others...59mph-Cousins,Weeden,P.Lynch,Bray////58mph-Goff////57mph-Foles,C.Daniels,Wentz//////56mph-Dalton,Jimmy G,Newton,Bortles,Mariota,Colt McCoy////55mph-Keenum,R.Wilson,Maholmes,KESSLER,Flacco,Winston////52mph-Kizer///50mph--Ty.Taylor,C.Cook,M.Trubisky....how bout Deshawn Watson at 45mph... source Ourlad's
Gumby, UT was on television every week when I lived in TN. I'd be terrified if Tyler Bray is the guy Dorsey wants so hopefully you can persuade me otherwise. Here's a link of his numbers and note the types of schools/lesser competition he needed just to bring his completion % up to mediocrity overall. https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/tyler-bray-1/gamelog/
FWIW, there's a ton of highlights inclusive of some long ball ropes from Watson as well as their #1 conference ranking in scoring offense most of the time he started that should remind us ball velocity may not be the tell-all assessment some want to make it out to be. And when Houston had to go back to the other QB (Tom Savage) who has a strong arm, the offense flat lined. Other notable QBs with good ball velocity were Jamarcus Russell, JP's Lost-man, Patrick Ramsey, Derek Anderson, Kyle Boller, Jake Locker, Jay Cutler, Brandon Weeden. If guys can't make good pre-snap diagnoses and they're often late throwing the ball - ball velocity takes a back seat as depicted by many of the fellers I just named....
Like Drew Brees reminds us after his first 3 years ended with SD sporting the worst record in the NFL prompting them to draft a QB 1st overall - arm strength CAN improve. So can recognition and pre-snap reads. Staying with Drew Brees' improvement, SD finally looked at what Drew Brees did best in college and why. They decided they wanted to get him back in the same shot gun (he enjoyed at Purdue) so he could have a better view of the defensive formation in his pre-snap reads so he could get his throws there on time. Therefore, it was no coincidence they drafted a Center from Purdue in 2004 named Nick Hardwick (who snapped for countless shotguns at Purdue). All of sudden, the fitness program Brees praised for his improvements and the better pre-snap reads helping him get the ball there sooner was a double-dose of improvement.
Gumby, UT was on television every week when I lived in TN. I'd be terrified if Tyler Bray is the guy Dorsey wants so hopefully you can persuade me otherwise.
Not a chance in hells-bells I could persuade anybody that Tyler Bray is even now the #2 backup behind Maholmes.but as of now, he is. I think KC is in serious trouble when the guy replacing Dorsey as GM, his 1st move was taking Cameal Erving off our hands...for A 4th! are ya kidding Me
..We got are own problems..Hue may like McCarron but Dorsey has been in the business long enough he has his list too. I seriously Hope that this talent evaluation team stops thinking Hue can take 2nd hand QB's (fixing their own poor decisions rebooting) & making them into HOF QB's. None of these QB guys are ready to command a huddle calling plays they never did before. Wentz/Goff still struggle with pre-snap looks locking on 1st read that is now covered. This Qb's group will also struggle. I do like a QB with some Velocity on ball in our division..but for god sakes, 5-6 of these QB's from my couch, I can see, can take some off the ball putting touch on the ball at back line of endzone & maybe 3-4 show when the ball needs to be thrown at the right outside shoulder pad away from defender, they can put it there.>Start Here<.Cousins or not. take your top 3 QB. pay another $7-8M in cap space & let them Earn it. Not give it over guys of Rg3's & Brock Arrrs-soiled talent.
Hello! It looks like you're interested in this conversation, but you don't have an account yet.
Getting fed up of having to scroll through the same posts each visit? When you register for an account, you'll always come back to exactly where you were before, and choose to be notified of new replies (either via email, or push notification). You'll also be able to save bookmarks and upvote posts to show your appreciation to other community members.
With your input, this post could be even better 💗
Register Login