Okay kiddies here's your inevitable gun control thread
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https://mobile.twitter.com/maxinepwaters
By the way didn't mean to get hijacked into an entire Maxine Waters thread. Anybody have an opinion on the unfortunate fact that only Zero Tolerance will have any effect on gun violence?
WSS
I'm sure you didn't, but that shed a light on a very real, underlying problem with any political debate. How are we going to debate the merits of gun control when you, and so many others, believe a fake twitter account? When you believe whatever fake news goes in front of you because it reinforces your beliefs?
It's hard to have any real debate there. The other side has to first tell you why your info is actual fake news. And then if you're presented with real info that disagrees with your worldview it will be called fake news.
I get you think that Maxine Waters stuff was off topic... But it's at the very core of what's wrong with our country politically today.
I'm sure you didn't, but that shed a light on a very real, underlying problem with any political debate. How are we going to debate the merits of gun control when you, and so many others, believe a fake twitter account? When you believe whatever fake news goes in front of you because it reinforces your beliefs?
It's hard to have any real debate there. The other side has to first tell you why your info is actual fake news. And then if you're presented with real info that disagrees with your worldview it will be called fake news.
I get you think that Maxine Waters stuff was off topic... But it's at the very core of what's wrong with our country politically today.
Actually I neglected to check out the post which I usually do. And I admitted it. And even after that rather than to add anything to the conversation you continue down your road of defending Ms Waters tooth and nail.
WSS
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Just think, over 3000 Americans lost their lives on 9/11 and not a single shot was fired.
The Oklahoma City bomber killed 168 with fertilizer.
There was a guy in China that hacked and killed 34 to death with a knife.
Vehicles seem to be en Vogue these days, used to mow down pedestrians.
Stopping the guns isn’t the answer, where there’s a will...there’s a way.
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Just think, over 3000 Americans lost their lives on 9/11 and not a single shot was fired.
The Oklahoma City bomber killed 168 with fertilizer.
There was a guy in China that hacked and killed 34 to death with a knife.
Vehicles seem to be en Vogue these days, used to mow down pedestrians.
Stopping the guns isn’t the answer, where there’s a will...there’s a way.
Just think, over 3000 Americans lost their lives on 9/11 and not a single shot was fired.
The Oklahoma City bomber killed 168 with fertilizer.
There was a guy in China that hacked and killed 34 to death with a knife.
Vehicles seem to be en Vogue these days, used to mow down pedestrians.
Stopping the guns isn’t the answer, where there’s a will...there’s a way.
That's not true. The only way to cut down on or stop gun violence is a zero tolerance policy for gun possession. 10 or 20 years for possession 20 or 40 for selling 40 to life for smuggling. Guaranteed prison terms sooner or later the guns will be gone and there will be less gun violence. That's really the case. Anybody disagree? You're dreaming.
I'm not advocating that just facing the fact. And yes we will still have butcher knives arson swords clubs vehicles Etc but if the goal is really to eliminate gun violence that's it.
We want the issue not the solution.
WSS
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Never happen. It would be impossible to enforce in this country. There are millions upon millions of guns already out, with probably billions of ammo, etc. Records of who owns what are probably very sketchy at best.
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Never happen. It would be impossible to enforce in this country. There are millions upon millions of guns already out, with probably billions of ammo, etc. Records of who owns what are probably very sketchy at best.
Never happen. It would be impossible to enforce in this country. There are millions upon millions of guns already out, with probably billions of ammo, etc. Records of who owns what are probably very sketchy at best.
I never said it would happen I never said I advocated it. I said that's the only policy that will work. And even if it did the effort would have to be draconian and it would take decades.
WSS
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I'm sure you didn't, but that shed a light on a very real, underlying problem with any political debate. How are we going to debate the merits of gun control when you, and so many others, believe a fake twitter account? When you believe whatever fake news goes in front of you because it reinforces your beliefs?
It's hard to have any real debate there. The other side has to first tell you why your info is actual fake news. And then if you're presented with real info that disagrees with your worldview it will be called fake news.
I get you think that Maxine Waters stuff was off topic... But it's at the very core of what's wrong with our country politically today.
Actually I neglected to check out the post which I usually do. And I admitted it. And even after that rather than to add anything to the conversation you continue down your road of defending Ms Waters tooth and nail.
WSS
Actually I neglected to check out the post which I usually do. And I admitted it. And even after that rather than to add anything to the conversation you continue down your road of defending Ms Waters tooth and nail.
WSS
Except I'm not defending her at all. I'm pointing out that something you posted was wrong. Another common pitfall on this board.
If false information about Hilary is posted, and then I debunk it, I'm not defending Hilary. I'm just pointing out false information. Actual fake news. I'm defending the idea of what a real debate should be.
Both that, and the continued willingness to be fooled by and then spread false information, are two major points in why any political debate with people like this are pointless. How is any ground or compromise going to be made when someone is so easily and willingly swayed by false info.
I called Cal out for something similar in another thread. He proceeded to backtrack in one, and then post more unauthenticated quotes. He literally has such a poor understanding of what a legitimate source is that, in order to defend himself on posting fake quotes, he did the exact same thing again
All of this is on topic. All of this is at the core of those clusterShmuck of a board. A microcosm of our American politics as a hole. Why would anyone try to debate the merits of gun control when people are easily swayed by a meme on Facebook?
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Unfortunately the mere discussion of guns in America is being framed improperly, it's about practical real life experience and not idealism.
you will need to elaborate on that.
WSS
you will need to elaborate on that.
WSS
Gun control advocates are too quick to act as if banning certain guns or background checks will solve the problem and gun rights advocates drape themselves in the flag and act as though any discussion on limiting gun access means communist Russia is our next evolution.
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So we should make drugs legal?
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
So we should make drugs legal?
So we should make drugs legal?
I think that’s the premise for the legalization of marijuana.
The government can’t stop it, so just legalize it and tax the fukk out of it.
Two things that will define you: Your determination when you have nothing. Your attitude when you have everything. - Mike McCartney -
"Nothing in our opinion should be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms.”
- Justice Antonin Scalia, District of Columbia v. Heller, 2008
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So we should make drugs legal?
I think that’s the premise for the legalization of marijuana.
The government can’t stop it, so just legalize it and tax the fukk out of it.
I think that’s the premise for the legalization of marijuana.
The government can’t stop it, so just legalize it and tax the fukk out of it.
No I think the justification it’s no worse for society than alcohol, so legalize it and tax it.
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I think that’s the premise for the legalization of marijuana.
The government can’t stop it, so just legalize it and tax the fukk out of it.
No I think the justification it’s no worse for society than alcohol, so legalize it and tax it.
No I think the justification it’s no worse for society than alcohol, so legalize it and tax it.
I know people who love their Oxy. I'd imagine the tax would be less and they would have to pay on the street so there's a win-win. Cocaine? Probably easy as hell to produce so the tax would be a bargain. Not only that but few lines in the morning at the factory production goes to the roof.
WSS
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So we should make drugs legal?
I think that’s the premise for the legalization of marijuana.
The government can’t stop it, so just legalize it and tax the fukk out of it.
I think that’s the premise for the legalization of marijuana.
The government can’t stop it, so just legalize it and tax the fukk out of it.
No, the premise for the legalization of marijuana is that we can make a lot of money taxing it and that it isn't nearly as dangerous as alcohol. There's no real argument to keep it illegal.
But I'm responding to what you posted in that meme. Are you saying we should make all drugs legal?
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
No I think the justification it’s no worse for society than alcohol, so legalize it and tax it.
I know people who love their Oxy. I'd imagine the tax would be less and they would have to pay on the street so there's a win-win. Cocaine? Probably easy as hell to produce so the tax would be a bargain. Not only that but few lines in the morning at the factory production goes to the roof.
WSS
I know people who love their Oxy. I'd imagine the tax would be less and they would have to pay on the street so there's a win-win. Cocaine? Probably easy as hell to produce so the tax would be a bargain. Not only that but few lines in the morning at the factory production goes to the roof.
WSS
Ignoring the fact that those drugs are, oh I don't know, legitimately terrible for your health and very dangerous...
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I know people who love their Oxy. I'd imagine the tax would be less and they would have to pay on the street so there's a win-win. Cocaine? Probably easy as hell to produce so the tax would be a bargain. Not only that but few lines in the morning at the factory production goes to the roof.
WSS
Ignoring the fact that those drugs are, oh I don't know, legitimately terrible for your health and very dangerous...
Ignoring the fact that those drugs are, oh I don't know, legitimately terrible for your health and very dangerous...
Alcohol isn't legitimately terrible for your health and dangerous? Really? Marlboros?
WSS
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And sure the idea to ban automobiles is stupid and facetious. Still drunk driving laws are very strict in every state of the union.
WSS
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and THEY LIKE cars. they DON'T like guns.
Woody doesn't "see" why anybody needs an AR-15.
Well, I have a semi-automatic .22 with a nice scope. It's my squirrel rifle. It shoots a little .22 each time I pull the trigger. An AR-15 does the exact same thing.
Some AR-15's are .22 caliber. Leftwing poltiics are strictly angry emotional, not common sense.
They don't want "common sense gun control" - they hate not having a permanent emotional win over the non-left, and a repeal of our 2nd Amendment would pretty much give them that - like they demand to win all elections - and when they lose both houses and the presidency - they went on the "warpath".
Too many of them have finally admitted, their ulterior motive is to get a foot in the door to get rid of our right to own our guns.
There is no taking away of a permanent RIGHT. What good would any right be, if it can be taken away by a whim of the majority of voters in one place, or the entire country? That is other countries - not us.
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the left LIEs, and live with complete falsehoods as a dramatic emotional manipulation of other people tool.
The kgb always did it. The gestapo always did it. It has been how vicious groups get and keep complete control and power.
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"hands up, don't shoot" .... completely fake. Effective though.
"Cruz was trained by the NRA" .....complete fame. Effective though.
http://dailycaller.com/2018/02/17/nikolas-cruz-nra-training/
Anti-Gun News Outlets Push False Claim That Florida Shooter Was ‘Trained’ By The NRA
That's right - the killer was in JROTC. Supported by the U.S. Army. It's a lie.
They don't care though. They love lies because they can work.
'Vox, a left-leaning website, published an article with the headline: “Nikolas Cruz was reportedly on an NRA-funded rifle team in high school.”
And Think Progress, a website affiliated with the leftist Center for American Progress, published a piece headlined, “The NRA donated $10,000 to help train the Parkland shooting suspect to use a rifle.” '
but the truth is...
http://dailycaller.com/2018/02/15/jrotc-students-save-peers-kevlar-curtains/
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