Garrett Top Rookie Edge Defender, #12 Overall
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He's one of the eleven guys that tackle people. Very rare that you come across a guy that can control a game on defense. His team went 0-16 for a reason...he personally was not going to win games for us. We needed a game changing player on offense. A competent QB could've won us a few games.
We need a game changing player on defense as well. Garrett did not provide that. Hopefully he will.
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Not one game changing play all season.
...a few things:
Injuries stunted his growth in training camp, then preseason, and during the season. (I've got a bad feeling that injuries are going to be a problem with him)
He's a rookie.
He's one of the eleven guys that tackle people. Very rare that you come across a guy that can control a game on defense. His team went 0-16 for a reason...he personally was not going to win games for us. We needed a game changing player on offense. A competent QB could've won us a few games.
hijack to Kizer - I'm blaming Kizer. And we're all blaming Kizer. He gave it to the other team most of the few times that we got in the red zone. But sadly, it's NOT fair to blame poor Kizer. College QB's come into the league now knowing NOTHING of what it's like to run an NFL offense. They've never spit out a play in a huddle all through college. They're never under center, always in a spread. - He was never supposed to play last year. He just got caught up in a situation where the looney toons that were in charge of the QB position let McCown go and went into the season with Kizer and 2 second year guys who'd neither had ever won an NFL game. Kizer almost won the job by default. (the poor kid) - Kizer DID at times look bad though...I mean some really bad (inaccurate) passes...but even THAT could've been from things just moving very fast for him. As has been said before, other great QB's have been quite bad in their rookie seasons. Kizer deserves a roster spot next year and a chance to progress...but we should STILL draft a QB #1 overall and find a veteran to play now. I like Sam Bradford, but he's brittle...but then, tough as nails McCown is always injured too.
hijack over - If he doesn't get hurt again, Myles should improve a bit in his second year. If we can get him help on the other side and someone so that Peppers can play where he SHOULD be playing, the D could take some steps up the charts of team defense.
I've talked about a couple of things here; Pass and Rush The Passer. That's the nutshell of today's NFL. Last year they drafted the 'Rush The Passer' guy. He couldn't get us a single win. Now, we need the 'Pass' guy.
He's one of the eleven guys that tackle people. Very rare that you come across a guy that can control a game on defense.
did you ever watch Joey Bosa play?
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did you ever watch Joey Bosa play?
A good DE can barrel into a QB and disrupt his game; two can take over a game. And it makes life easier for the DB and LB Corp; easy picks!
.......oh and help control the clock; get better field position and most importantly make the fans happy.
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Interesting how high nassib ranks in run stop percentage of edge defenders. Though it should be expected at 6'7.
Interesting how high nassib ranks in run stop percentage of edge defenders. Though it should be expected at 6'7.
Can you elaborate? I looked what I thought was a lot and couldn't find details.. perhaps you have an edge membership?
"When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown -
Being a blitzing DE in the NFL is t its.
I think the average offensive snaps in the nfl is 65 a game. So if you play 80% of the snaps on defense that’s 52 snaps a game. So that’s 832 snaps a year. So be conservative and cut the 832 in half to account for passing plays vs running plays and you are at 416.
If you record 10 sacks a year your a great player. You get 15-20 and your a god and maxing our money... so if you hit home 4.8% of the time (that would be 20 sacks a year) your a hall of famer...
Way better than being a CB! Let one WR smoke you per game and your out on your butt!
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Can you elaborate? I looked what I thought was a lot and couldn't find details.. perhaps you have an edge membership?
I don't believe it was a premium stat. Saw it combing through there lightly just a little while ago... I'll see if I can find it.
And no, I don't subscribe to any football websites or the like.
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He was the #1 overall Zumba instructor too, veterans included. Beat you to it Tom.
He was the #1 overall Zumba instructor too, veterans included. Beat you to it Tom.
He played 3 times as many plays as the other edge defenders. Nice post though, you got me.
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Garrett needs some luck this year against the injury bug, both personally and with Ogbah. Right when Ogbah got hurt we got a glimpse of what those two could do on the field together, and Ogbah going down was just devastating. Ogbah appeared to be figuring it out, and Gregg Williams was putting them in places to succeed. If they're healthy, they contend for combined sack leaders in the league. Not only that, they both are extremely solid against the run. Our rush defense suffered when Ogbah went out and teams knew they could run at Nassib. Ogbah was superior at setting the edge, and Myles was underrated as a run stuffer. I can remember several times when teams ran at Myles very early in the game and Myles just blew it up. One time an announcer said, "They decided to test Garrett, and I doubt we see that play again." LOL.
Oh, one more thing. A pick that nobody is really talking too much about for us is the pass rusher Chubb from NC State. Why pick HIM if we have Ogbah and Garrett? Because getting to the QB is the name of the game in the NFL. If you watched Garrett last year, then you saw him get a lot of success, not from the outside, but from the INSIDE position. He was a beast inside, and knowing that, we could draft Chubb and have a 3rd down "super rush package" that would be the envy of everyone. What does that do? It would mean we don't have to blitz on 3rd down NEARLY as much, and if you watched our defense, you know that blitzing to create pressure killed us in too many games. Just something to think about. Also, Myles Garrett and Ogbah can't play EVERY snap effectively, and Chubb could potentially provide a breather for them without sacrificing too much ability. Having fresh pass rushers is a luxury not many teams have.
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did you ever watch Joey Bosa play?
...and yet in 32 football games, his team is the only one we beat. - He's just one of the 11 guys that are supposed to tackle people.
BEING A BROWNS FAN IS A TEST TO SEE HOW MUCH YOU CAN TAKE -
Garrett needs some luck this year against the injury bug, both personally and with Ogbah. Right when Ogbah got hurt we got a glimpse of what those two could do on the field together, and Ogbah going down was just devastating. Ogbah appeared to be figuring it out, and Gregg Williams was putting them in places to succeed. If they're healthy, they contend for combined sack leaders in the league. Not only that, they both are extremely solid against the run. Our rush defense suffered when Ogbah went out and teams knew they could run at Nassib. Ogbah was superior at setting the edge, and Myles was underrated as a run stuffer. I can remember several times when teams ran at Myles very early in the game and Myles just blew it up. One time an announcer said, "They decided to test Garrett, and I doubt we see that play again." LOL.
Oh, one more thing. A pick that nobody is really talking too much about for us is the pass rusher Chubb from NC State. Why pick HIM if we have Ogbah and Garrett? Because getting to the QB is the name of the game in the NFL. If you watched Garrett last year, then you saw him get a lot of success, not from the outside, but from the INSIDE position. He was a beast inside, and knowing that, we could draft Chubb and have a 3rd down "super rush package" that would be the envy of everyone. What does that do? It would mean we don't have to blitz on 3rd down NEARLY as much, and if you watched our defense, you know that blitzing to create pressure killed us in too many games. Just something to think about. Also, Myles Garrett and Ogbah can't play EVERY snap effectively, and Chubb could potentially provide a breather for them without sacrificing too much ability. Having fresh pass rushers is a luxury not many teams have.
Garrett needs some luck this year against the injury bug, both personally and with Ogbah. Right when Ogbah got hurt we got a glimpse of what those two could do on the field together, and Ogbah going down was just devastating. Ogbah appeared to be figuring it out, and Gregg Williams was putting them in places to succeed. If they're healthy, they contend for combined sack leaders in the league. Not only that, they both are extremely solid against the run. Our rush defense suffered when Ogbah went out and teams knew they could run at Nassib. Ogbah was superior at setting the edge, and Myles was underrated as a run stuffer. I can remember several times when teams ran at Myles very early in the game and Myles just blew it up. One time an announcer said, "They decided to test Garrett, and I doubt we see that play again." LOL.
Oh, one more thing. A pick that nobody is really talking too much about for us is the pass rusher Chubb from NC State. Why pick HIM if we have Ogbah and Garrett? Because getting to the QB is the name of the game in the NFL. If you watched Garrett last year, then you saw him get a lot of success, not from the outside, but from the INSIDE position. He was a beast inside, and knowing that, we could draft Chubb and have a 3rd down "super rush package" that would be the envy of everyone. What does that do? It would mean we don't have to blitz on 3rd down NEARLY as much, and if you watched our defense, you know that blitzing to create pressure killed us in too many games. Just something to think about. Also, Myles Garrett and Ogbah can't play EVERY snap effectively, and Chubb could potentially provide a breather for them without sacrificing too much ability. Having fresh pass rushers is a luxury not many teams have.
That's the Denver formula that got their SB year for them. Add Collins back in the mix along with Danny and we could really have a D to be afraid of. I can't remember any game we had last year where one or more of the guys we already have wasn't out with an injury. Add one more good pass rusher to the mix and get rid of Orchard because he was the biggest weakness on the team. Every time he was in they ran right over him.
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did you ever watch Joey Bosa play?
...and yet in 32 football games, his team is the only one we beat. - He's just one of the 11 guys that are supposed to tackle people.
...and yet in 32 football games, his team is the only one we beat. - He's just one of the 11 guys that are supposed to tackle people.
That's like saying on offense all 10 other guys are as important or can score like the skill players most importantly the quarterback.
That's just the way team sports go. Your starting pitcher is far more important than who is in RF.
The DE does anchor the defense, ask any coach. Oh and the pathetic 1-31 BROWNS beating one team it's pretty much irreverent that one guy caused that besides the BROWNS were just lucky there they didn't go 0-32.
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...and yet in 32 football games, his team is the only one we beat. - He's just one of the 11 guys that are supposed to tackle people.
That's like saying on offense all 10 other guys are as important or can score like the skill players most importantly the quarterback.
That's just the way team sports go. Your starting pitcher is far more important than who is in RF.
The DE does anchor the defense, ask any coach. Oh and the pathetic 1-31 BROWNS beating one team it's pretty much irreverent that one guy caused that besides the BROWNS were just lucky there they didn't go 0-32.
Oh and the pathetic 1-31 BROWNS beating one team it's pretty much irreverent that one guy caused that besides the BROWNS were just lucky there they didn't go 0-32.
VERY lucky. A reliable kicker missed a FG.
That's like saying on offense all 10 other guys are as important or can score like the skill players most importantly the quarterback.
Nope. I wasn't talking about offense. (and I know that the edge rusher is one of the most important pieces on D)
On offense it's the QB...the group of receivers...the running back(s)...then OLinemen. And although I list the OL last, they are quite important because if they're not all fairly GOOD then the rest of the offensive skill positions suffer greatly.
Last year Garrett was rated head and shoulders better than anyone else in the draft. But the QB is the MOST important position...by a lot...so although we selected the 'head and shoulders' best player in the draft, we didn't win any games. That's how important NOT having a QB is.
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Who else is hoping for a Myles Garrett / Bradley Chubb duo?
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Who else is hoping for a Myles Garrett / Bradley Chubb duo?
Who else is hoping for a Myles Garrett / Bradley Chubb duo?
Was talking about Chubb a couple months back. That would be even more of a reality should the Browns sign Cousins and we trade out of #1.
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We don't need no stinkin Bradley Chump. We've got the BEAST OGBAH! Guy is a savage. These other teams are lucky Collins was hurt and Garrett and Ogbah too... Last year was an enigma, this year we'll release the hound of war!
We don't need no stinkin Bradley Chump. We've got the BEAST OGBAH! Guy is a savage. These other teams are lucky Collins was hurt and Garrett and Ogbah too... Last year was an enigma, this year we'll release the hound of war!
I'm going to genuinely feel bad for you if the Browns don't pick Barkley.
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We don't need no stinkin Bradley Chump. We've got the BEAST OGBAH! Guy is a savage. These other teams are lucky Collins was hurt and Garrett and Ogbah too... Last year was an enigma, this year we'll release the hound of war!
I'm going to genuinely feel bad for you if the Browns don't pick Barkley.
I'm going to genuinely feel bad for you if the Browns don't pick Barkley.
I won't feel bad. If they don't draft him, I hope that on the same day they release his other boyfriend Hogan. Someone who spews this much nonsense about a crappy 3rd string QB and a college RB deserves the disappointment.
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We don't need no stinkin Bradley Chump. We've got the BEAST OGBAH! Guy is a savage. These other teams are lucky Collins was hurt and Garrett and Ogbah too... Last year was an enigma, this year we'll release the hound of war!
I'm going to genuinely feel bad for you if the Browns don't pick Barkley.
I'm going to genuinely feel bad for you if the Browns don't pick Barkley.
I won't feel bad. No, not at all. I will take it merely as a sign that there are other players available that can do more good for this team.
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I'm going to genuinely feel bad for you if the Browns don't pick Barkley.
I won't feel bad. If they don't draft him, I hope that on the same day they release his other boyfriend Hogan. Someone who spews this much nonsense about a crappy 3rd string QB and a college RB deserves the disappointment.
I won't feel bad. If they don't draft him, I hope that on the same day they release his other boyfriend Hogan. Someone who spews this much nonsense about a crappy 3rd string QB and a college RB deserves the disappointment.
Can this man get an "amen"?
If this happens, just know that a guy on the opposite side of Stark County from PoG will be laughing his butt off while he's frantically posting poll after poll asking "On a scale of 1-10 million how many tears did your boy PoG shed today?"
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