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  • @nickers said:

    Am I the only one that notices that Meder.. Despite the defense and the coverage seems to adapt well  when called upon?.. For a guy who is not particularly special in any one particular area.. The kid works his tail off and makes plays in almost belichickian fashion if that makes any sense. It doesnt matter if its 3-4 ,4-3  , 3-2-5,, whatever the scheme.. He excels within his window of talent.

    The Shmuck is a 3-2-5? 

    @tiamat63 said:

    The Shmuck is a 3-2-5? 

    3 DLinemen, 2 Linebackers, 5 Defensive backs, and Peppers in another area code...

  • @tiamat63 said:

    The Shmuck is a 3-2-5? 

    3 DLinemen, 2 Linebackers, 5 Defensive backs, and Peppers in another area code...

    @dutch-oven said:

    3 DLinemen, 2 Linebackers, 5 Defensive backs, and Peppers in another area code...

    Ahhh... so deep center field we don't even count him. I get it.  

  • Hopefully Howard Wilson comes back and plays well.  I think they'll get Fitzpatrick at #4,  and that will help the secondary big time. 

    Collins too. 

  • Hopefully Howard Wilson comes back and plays well.  I think they'll get Fitzpatrick at #4,  and that will help the secondary big time. 

    Collins too. 

    @sd_tom said:

    Hopefully Howard Wilson comes back and plays well.  I think they'll get Fitzpatrick at #4,  and that will help the secondary big time. 

    Collins too. 

    And maybe an FA as well.

  • @nickers said:

    Am I the only one that notices that Meder.. Despite the defense and the coverage seems to adapt well  when called upon?.. For a guy who is not particularly special in any one particular area.. The kid works his tail off and makes plays in almost belichickian fashion if that makes any sense. It doesnt matter if its 3-4 ,4-3  , 3-2-5,, whatever the scheme.. He excels within his window of talent.

    The Shmuck is a 3-2-5? 

    @tiamat63 said:

    The Shmuck is a 3-2-5? 

    Fritz Shurmur authored that configuration pretty much.. Used it back when He was DC at LA Rams in the 80's . Then famed USC coach John Robinson was the head coach. It's another spin off of Bill Arnspargers (Bend , but don't Break) Defense.

    "

    NFL coaching career

    From 1975 to 1998, Shurmur was a defensive coach in the National Football League. He coached for the Detroit Lions, New England Patriots, Los Angeles Rams, Arizona Cardinals, Green Bay Packers and Seattle Seahawks. For nineteen of those years he was a defensive coordinator.[1]

    Shurmur became defensive coordinator for the Green Bay Packers in 1994. In 1997, the Packers won Super Bowl XXXI over the New England Patriots. Shurmur left Green Bay in 1999 to be defensive coordinator with the Seahawks when Mike Holmgren accepted the dual roles of head coach and general manager with Seattle. Shurmur died of liver cancer before he could coach his first game with Seattle.

    Throughout his coaching career, Shurmur was widely known as an innovative mind on defense. Shurmur's coaching style was revered by peers in his profession for defensive genius. For example, in 1992 with the Cardinals, Shurmur had to devise a plan when two linebackers were injured. He developed a "Big Nickel" defense, that used five defensive backs close enough to the line of scrimmage to rush the passer or drop back into coverage.[1]"

  • @tiamat63 said:

    The Shmuck is a 3-2-5? 

    Fritz Shurmur authored that configuration pretty much.. Used it back when He was DC at LA Rams in the 80's . Then famed USC coach John Robinson was the head coach. It's another spin off of Bill Arnspargers (Bend , but don't Break) Defense.

    "

    NFL coaching career

    From 1975 to 1998, Shurmur was a defensive coach in the National Football League. He coached for the Detroit Lions, New England Patriots, Los Angeles Rams, Arizona Cardinals, Green Bay Packers and Seattle Seahawks. For nineteen of those years he was a defensive coordinator.[1]

    Shurmur became defensive coordinator for the Green Bay Packers in 1994. In 1997, the Packers won Super Bowl XXXI over the New England Patriots. Shurmur left Green Bay in 1999 to be defensive coordinator with the Seahawks when Mike Holmgren accepted the dual roles of head coach and general manager with Seattle. Shurmur died of liver cancer before he could coach his first game with Seattle.

    Throughout his coaching career, Shurmur was widely known as an innovative mind on defense. Shurmur's coaching style was revered by peers in his profession for defensive genius. For example, in 1992 with the Cardinals, Shurmur had to devise a plan when two linebackers were injured. He developed a "Big Nickel" defense, that used five defensive backs close enough to the line of scrimmage to rush the passer or drop back into coverage.[1]"

    @nickers said:

    Fritz Shurmur authored that configuration pretty much.. Used it back when He was DC at LA Rams in the 80's . Then famed USC coach John Robinson was the head coach. It's another spin off of Bill Arnspargers (Bend , but don't Break) Defense.

    "

    NFL coaching career

    From 1975 to 1998, Shurmur was a defensive coach in the National Football League. He coached for the Detroit Lions, New England Patriots, Los Angeles Rams, Arizona Cardinals, Green Bay Packers and Seattle Seahawks. For nineteen of those years he was a defensive coordinator.[1]

    Shurmur became defensive coordinator for the Green Bay Packers in 1994. In 1997, the Packers won Super Bowl XXXI over the New England Patriots. Shurmur left Green Bay in 1999 to be defensive coordinator with the Seahawks when Mike Holmgren accepted the dual roles of head coach and general manager with Seattle. Shurmur died of liver cancer before he could coach his first game with Seattle.

    Throughout his coaching career, Shurmur was widely known as an innovative mind on defense. Shurmur's coaching style was revered by peers in his profession for defensive genius. For example, in 1992 with the Cardinals, Shurmur had to devise a plan when two linebackers were injured. He developed a "Big Nickel" defense, that used five defensive backs close enough to the line of scrimmage to rush the passer or drop back into coverage.[1]"

    So wouldn't that be a 4-2-5 defense?

  • @nickers said:

    Fritz Shurmur authored that configuration pretty much.. Used it back when He was DC at LA Rams in the 80's . Then famed USC coach John Robinson was the head coach. It's another spin off of Bill Arnspargers (Bend , but don't Break) Defense.

    "

    NFL coaching career

    From 1975 to 1998, Shurmur was a defensive coach in the National Football League. He coached for the Detroit Lions, New England Patriots, Los Angeles Rams, Arizona Cardinals, Green Bay Packers and Seattle Seahawks. For nineteen of those years he was a defensive coordinator.[1]

    Shurmur became defensive coordinator for the Green Bay Packers in 1994. In 1997, the Packers won Super Bowl XXXI over the New England Patriots. Shurmur left Green Bay in 1999 to be defensive coordinator with the Seahawks when Mike Holmgren accepted the dual roles of head coach and general manager with Seattle. Shurmur died of liver cancer before he could coach his first game with Seattle.

    Throughout his coaching career, Shurmur was widely known as an innovative mind on defense. Shurmur's coaching style was revered by peers in his profession for defensive genius. For example, in 1992 with the Cardinals, Shurmur had to devise a plan when two linebackers were injured. He developed a "Big Nickel" defense, that used five defensive backs close enough to the line of scrimmage to rush the passer or drop back into coverage.[1]"

    So wouldn't that be a 4-2-5 defense?

    @dutch-oven said:

    So wouldn't that be a 4-2-5 defense?

    I think that is right.   Of course, that defense is best when you have someone that could play like a hybrid DB/LB.   Wasn't that what we thought they were going to do with Peppers?  Since that is much of what he did in college?  

    How has that worked out so far?

  • @dutch-oven said:

    So wouldn't that be a 4-2-5 defense?

    I think that is right.   Of course, that defense is best when you have someone that could play like a hybrid DB/LB.   Wasn't that what we thought they were going to do with Peppers?  Since that is much of what he did in college?  

    How has that worked out so far?

    @the-gipper said:

    I think that is right.   Of course, that defense is best when you have someone that could play like a hybrid DB/LB.   Wasn't that what we thought they were going to do with Peppers?  Since that is much of what he did in college?  

    How has that worked out so far?

    Again.. I saw Peppers as a wasted pick.. I saw him as nothing more than a career ST's player... You don't draft special teamers with high picks.. But Sushi had to try and outsmart everyone I guess...

  • @the-gipper said:

    I think that is right.   Of course, that defense is best when you have someone that could play like a hybrid DB/LB.   Wasn't that what we thought they were going to do with Peppers?  Since that is much of what he did in college?  

    How has that worked out so far?

    Again.. I saw Peppers as a wasted pick.. I saw him as nothing more than a career ST's player... You don't draft special teamers with high picks.. But Sushi had to try and outsmart everyone I guess...

    @nickers said:

    Again.. I saw Peppers as a wasted pick.. I saw him as nothing more than a career ST's player... You don't draft special teamers with high picks.. But Sushi had to try and outsmart everyone I guess...

    Well....I suspect that if he was used better, he could perform better....and not be a waste.  That hybrid thing was his calling card....and if in fact it is going to be more in vogue in the NFL...I should hope and think that Peppers could fill that role with aplomb.......and not be a bomb.

  • @the-gipper said:

    I think that is right.   Of course, that defense is best when you have someone that could play like a hybrid DB/LB.   Wasn't that what we thought they were going to do with Peppers?  Since that is much of what he did in college?  

    How has that worked out so far?

    Again.. I saw Peppers as a wasted pick.. I saw him as nothing more than a career ST's player... You don't draft special teamers with high picks.. But Sushi had to try and outsmart everyone I guess...

    @nickers said:

    Again.. I saw Peppers as a wasted pick.. I saw him as nothing more than a career ST's player... You don't draft special teamers with high picks.. But Sushi had to try and outsmart everyone I guess...

    That was actually a Williams (coaches) pick. 

  • I want to see Peppers in the position he's suited for - strong safety - before I write him off as a bust.

    That being said, I do recall referring to him as a "jack of all trades, master of none" type of guy before we drafted him. 

  • @nickers said:

    Again.. I saw Peppers as a wasted pick.. I saw him as nothing more than a career ST's player... You don't draft special teamers with high picks.. But Sushi had to try and outsmart everyone I guess...

    That was actually a Williams (coaches) pick. 

    @tiamat63 said:

    That was actually a Williams (coaches) pick. 

    I'm aware of that as well

  • Peppers could be a pro bowler with the patriots.  Trade him for butler.

  • Peppers could be a pro bowler with the patriots.  Trade him for butler.

    @lbc-mike said:

    Peppers could be a pro bowler with the patriots.  Trade him for butler.

    Do you really think he could be a Pro Bowler?  What is his average?

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  • I want to see Peppers in the position he's suited for - strong safety - before I write him off as a bust.

    That being said, I do recall referring to him as a "jack of all trades, master of none" type of guy before we drafted him. 

    @dutch-oven said:

    I want to see Peppers in the position he's suited for - strong safety - before I write him off as a bust.

    That being said, I do recall referring to him as a "jack of all trades, master of none" type of guy before we drafted him. 

    He is going to be in the box this year, where he played at Michigan. I don't know what that means for Derek Kindred Spirits ... Special teams? But we will be drafting a free safety and Peppers will move in to the strong slot, I think that is a given.

    Zombo

  • @dutch-oven said:

    I want to see Peppers in the position he's suited for - strong safety - before I write him off as a bust.

    That being said, I do recall referring to him as a "jack of all trades, master of none" type of guy before we drafted him. 

    He is going to be in the box this year, where he played at Michigan. I don't know what that means for Derek Kindred Spirits ... Special teams? But we will be drafting a free safety and Peppers will move in to the strong slot, I think that is a given.

    Zombo

    Zombo said:

    He is going to be in the box this year, where he played at Michigan. I don't know what that means for Derek Kindred Spirits ... Special teams? But we will be drafting a free safety and Peppers will move in to the strong slot, I think that is a given.

    Zombo

    Defensively I would hope free safety and corner are top priorities this offseason