The Combine - a few days away...
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If it is not corrected by professional coaching.
Penn State Larry Johnson came to the Chiefs and was carrying the ball wrong. Had to be taught the correct way.
So you think the positioning for carrying a football is the same as a QB's throwing motion?
So you think the positioning for carrying a football is the same as a QB's throwing motion?
This is just becoming silly at this point. The Allen humpers refuse to acknowledge any of his short comings. With 2 months to go....Allen and Poes stalking victim Barkley will both be fitted for gold jackets by the draft from these clowns.
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yet, I've admitted Allen needs some time many times. You just don't read, you want to emotionally knee jerk like the typical
rosenbum poster licker.
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yeah, me too. SO...
I think I want to study the qb's, wr's and rb's most of all the positions in the combine.
I'm looking for Mike White, Darnold and Allen to light it up.
and I keep wondering about Eq? St. Brown - and a few others, like D. J. Chark to light it up.
and Ballage. we'll see.
yeah, me too. SO...
I think I want to study the qb's, wr's and rb's most of all the positions in the combine.
I'm looking for Mike White, Darnold and Allen to light it up.
And, of course, if they do not....and Rosen does, you will have some dodge or excuse as to why.
and I keep wondering about Eq? St. Brown - and a few others, like D. J. Chark to light it up.
and Ballage. we'll see.
Is Fitzpatrick at the combine? We need to watch how he does.
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So you think the positioning for carrying a football is the same as a QB's throwing motion?
This is just becoming silly at this point. The Allen humpers refuse to acknowledge any of his short comings. With 2 months to go....Allen and Poes stalking victim Barkley will both be fitted for gold jackets by the draft from these clowns.
This is just becoming silly at this point. The Allen humpers refuse to acknowledge any of his short comings. With 2 months to go....Allen and Poes stalking victim Barkley will both be fitted for gold jackets by the draft from these clowns.
To be fair.....at least there is a fair consensus on the status of Barkley compared to Allen.
While perhaps we can joke that we fear that Barkley may be another Curtis Enis or Blair Thomas....that is purely a matter of the college they attended.
On the positive side...some say he could be another Zeke Elliott...possibly. On the negative, they say he could be another Trent Richardson. Who really knows.
I think the road is much rougher for Allen. Nothing on him particularly....but how many big, strong armed, mobile type QBs have we seen that have come out on the short end of the stick. To my view...Allen, more than Rosen....has a better chance to end up Ryan Leaf like.....or Mike Phipps/Derek Anderson/DeShone Kizer/Brandon Weeden like.
Rosen is different. On the plus side, you never know, he could be an Aaron Rodgers like persona (they have the same nose anyway!
) But he could also be a disappointment. Sort of Matt Leinertish. Same for Darnold. Again, you never know.
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People refuse to hear it because they are so fixated on Rosen and Darnold
You should know by now I'm not fixated on either. I don't want the Browns taking a project with a capital P quarterback with the #1 overall. Allen has higher bust potential in my mind than any of Darnold, Rosen, or Mayfield. #4 on my desirability list, and I doubt the combine and pro days will change my opinion much.
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yeah, me too. SO...
I think I want to study the qb's, wr's and rb's most of all the positions in the combine.
I'm looking for Mike White, Darnold and Allen to light it up.
And, of course, if they do not....and Rosen does, you will have some dodge or excuse as to why.
and I keep wondering about Eq? St. Brown - and a few others, like D. J. Chark to light it up.
and Ballage. we'll see.
Is Fitzpatrick at the combine? We need to watch how he does.
Simmie Cobb looked very good in the Ohio state game. He's a big wr too.
He'd be a great mid round pick
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yet, I've admitted Allen needs some time many times. You just don't read, you want to emotionally knee jerk like the typical
rosenbum poster licker.
yet, I've admitted Allen needs some time many times. You just don't read, you want to emotionally knee jerk like the typical
rosenbum poster licker.
I almost feel embarrassed for you after reading your immature, childish retorts.
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yet, I've admitted Allen needs some time many times. You just don't read, you want to emotionally knee jerk like the typical
rosenbum poster licker.
yet, I've admitted Allen needs some time many times. You just don't read, you want to emotionally knee jerk like the typical
rosenbum poster licker.
To the first statement....To me, it's foolish to draft a QB that is a project and needs time at #1 overall or even #4 overall on a team that has more holes than swiss cheese. This team needs guys who can play, not a guy who needs 2 or 3 years of sitting around learning how to play. We already have that guy on the roster, why do we want to go that route again.
As for the 2nd statement...Nice to see that you've really grown up in the last week since I've spent a lot of time on the board.
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I almost feel embarrassed for you after reading your immature, childish retorts.
I would guess that "almost" is the key word in that sentence.
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I almost feel embarrassed for you after reading your immature, childish retorts.
I would guess that "almost" is the key word in that sentence.
I would guess that "almost" is the key word in that sentence.
It's laughable how obviously transparent his hatred is of Rosen.
You don't hold a grudge, a vendetta like his against some kid he's never met who could very well NOT PLAY FOR THE BROWNS just because you think his teammates don't like him and that he comes from a rich family. You say you'd rather not draft him and move on.
His non-stop bitching and moaning, name-calling and childishness against Rosen has a very personal feel to it. Despite his pathetic attempts to convince everyone, we all know why he feels such vitriol towards him.
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I would guess that "almost" is the key word in that sentence.
It's laughable how obviously transparent his hatred is of Rosen.
You don't hold a grudge, a vendetta like his against some kid he's never met who could very well NOT PLAY FOR THE BROWNS just because you think his teammates don't like him and that he comes from a rich family. You say you'd rather not draft him and move on.
His non-stop bitching and moaning, name-calling and childishness against Rosen has a very personal feel to it. Despite his pathetic attempts to convince everyone, we all know why he feels such vitriol towards him.
It's laughable how obviously transparent his hatred is of Rosen.
You don't hold a grudge, a vendetta like his against some kid he's never met who could very well NOT PLAY FOR THE BROWNS just because you think his teammates don't like him and that he comes from a rich family. You say you'd rather not draft him and move on.
His non-stop bitching and moaning, name-calling and childishness against Rosen has a very personal feel to it. Despite his pathetic attempts to convince everyone, we all know why he feels such vitriol towards him.
I'm guessing it has something to do with politics and the political board that I couldn't be paid enough money to read.
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It's laughable how obviously transparent his hatred is of Rosen.
You don't hold a grudge, a vendetta like his against some kid he's never met who could very well NOT PLAY FOR THE BROWNS just because you think his teammates don't like him and that he comes from a rich family. You say you'd rather not draft him and move on.
His non-stop bitching and moaning, name-calling and childishness against Rosen has a very personal feel to it. Despite his pathetic attempts to convince everyone, we all know why he feels such vitriol towards him.
I'm guessing it has something to do with politics and the political board that I couldn't be paid enough money to read.
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Darnold not throwing is a bit of a bummer.
I'm sure that his agent told him that he's the #1 overall pick and that it wouldn't be in his own best interest to throw at the combine.
Allen has to throw (IMO) because he's gotta prove that he's accurate. (although that could be a reason NOT to throw with guys that he's not used to working with)
Rosen's agent made him come out and say that he NEVER said that he didn't want to play for Cleveland...and that he has NO IDEA where that could've come from. But he's on tape stating that he wouldn't see anything wrong with falling a little bit to the 'right' team rather than being picked early. It's ok Josh. We understand that NO QB in their right mind really wants to come to Cleveland right now. Just don't SAY it...Cos ya gotta go where they draft ya. Preferably someplace with a good OL so that frail noggin' and body of yours doesn't get hurt.
And Mary Kay is worried about what she saw at the senior bowl regarding Mayfield. She came away with the feeling that he could still have a little of that Manziel mentality in him. - She was there, I wasn't.
The combine kinda' get's the draft season rolling. Teams get accurate measurements and a chance to interview players. And the QB interviews will be very important for us. I would love to be a fly on the wall for Rosen and Mayfield's chat with us.
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Darnold not throwing is a bit of a bummer.
I'm sure that his agent told him that he's the #1 overall pick and that it wouldn't be in his own best interest to throw at the combine.
Allen has to throw (IMO) because he's gotta prove that he's accurate. (although that could be a reason NOT to throw with guys that he's not used to working with)
Rosen's agent made him come out and say that he NEVER said that he didn't want to play for Cleveland...and that he has NO IDEA where that could've come from. But he's on tape stating that he wouldn't see anything wrong with falling a little bit to the 'right' team rather than being picked early. It's ok Josh. We understand that NO QB in their right mind really wants to come to Cleveland right now. Just don't SAY it...Cos ya gotta go where they draft ya. Preferably someplace with a good OL so that frail noggin' and body of yours doesn't get hurt.
And Mary Kay is worried about what she saw at the senior bowl regarding Mayfield. She came away with the feeling that he could still have a little of that Manziel mentality in him. - She was there, I wasn't.
The combine kinda' get's the draft season rolling. Teams get accurate measurements and a chance to interview players. And the QB interviews will be very important for us. I would love to be a fly on the wall for Rosen and Mayfield's chat with us.
And Mary Kay is worried about what she saw at the senior bowl regarding Mayfield. She came away with the feeling that he could still have a little of that Manziel mentality in him. - She was there, I wasn't.
Could you elaborate on this or post a link to her talking about it?
This is interesting.
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And Mary Kay is worried about what she saw at the senior bowl regarding Mayfield. She came away with the feeling that he could still have a little of that Manziel mentality in him. - She was there, I wasn't.
Could you elaborate on this or post a link to her talking about it?
This is interesting.
Could you elaborate on this or post a link to her talking about it?
This is interesting.
They spoke with her today on 92 The Fan around 11:00am. I was at my desk working with their Internet site on and heard it (well from 11:07 on - I was away from my desk 'til then so I don't know how much I missed)
She didn't go into specifics but said that she saw a few things from him that sent up 'little red flags' (her words). I know that he was very late getting there (his mother was in the hospital). I know that he told Chicago that he wouldn't talk to them since they just drafted their QB.
BEING A BROWNS FAN IS A TEST TO SEE HOW MUCH YOU CAN TAKE -
Oh Lamar...
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Could you elaborate on this or post a link to her talking about it?
This is interesting.
They spoke with her today on 92 The Fan around 11:00am. I was at my desk working with their Internet site on and heard it (well from 11:07 on - I was away from my desk 'til then so I don't know how much I missed)
She didn't go into specifics but said that she saw a few things from him that sent up 'little red flags' (her words). I know that he was very late getting there (his mother was in the hospital). I know that he told Chicago that he wouldn't talk to them since they just drafted their QB.
They spoke with her today on 92 The Fan around 11:00am. I was at my desk working with their Internet site on and heard it (well from 11:07 on - I was away from my desk 'til then so I don't know how much I missed)
I have some doubts about Mayfield's maturity, but I don't think his character issues will torpedo his career like it did Manziel's.
That being said, I can see NFL defensive veterans wanting to make Mayfield know his place from his first snap, like they did with Manziel.
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yet, I've admitted Allen needs some time many times. You just don't read, you want to emotionally knee jerk like the typical
rosenbum poster licker.
To the first statement....To me, it's foolish to draft a QB that is a project and needs time at #1 overall or even #4 overall on a team that has more holes than swiss cheese. This team needs guys who can play, not a guy who needs 2 or 3 years of sitting around learning how to play. We already have that guy on the roster, why do we want to go that route again.
As for the 2nd statement...Nice to see that you've really grown up in the last week since I've spent a lot of time on the board.
To the first statement....To me, it's foolish to draft a QB that is a project and needs time at #1 overall or even #4 overall on a team that has more holes than swiss cheese. This team needs guys who can play, not a guy who needs 2 or 3 years of sitting around learning how to play. We already have that guy on the roster, why do we want to go that route again.
As for the 2nd statement...Nice to see that you've really grown up in the last week since I've spent a lot of time on the board.
it's also foolish to draft a selfish, arrogant, entitled to be the center of attention prick who might bust like ryan leaf with a really high pick. To be honest, Brandon Weedon, Derek bigfoot Anderson,
The didn't process information well at the pro level. That is Kizer. That is NOT Allen - near as I can tell, he processes terrific - can look one way, and then throw another completely different area, even opposite. I think that is a rare quality.
"I think you have to see the potential," Hall of Fame quarterback and Denver Broncos general manager John Elway said. "You have to have the raw potential of the arm strength and the ability to move around and to process information. Those are the three things you try to find out about in a quarterback. It's up to us in that point in time to coach them and see if they can mature and become the player you want them to be at the position. You have to have that ability, first, and then hopefully we can get it out of you."
That strategy, though, is only a different version of the same bet with slightly lower stakes. When looking for quarterbacks, everybody is gambling on something, whether it's their ability to project greatness, a coach's effectiveness at matching a player with a scheme, or a passer's propensity to learn and his drive to be the best.
The payoff -- Super Bowls, contract extensions for both player and evaluator, a long period of stability at the most important position in sports -- is too vast for teams not to keep trying, mistakes and all. But even those who have reaped the greatest returns from their quarterback picks know how fortunate they are to be remembered for their successes more than they are held responsible for their mistakes.
"You'd like to think you're always right," Turner said. "But some guys handle this level of competition better than others. This game is faster; it's more physical; it's more competitive. Guys don't get open by as much. They don't stay open as long. Some guys, you see things in them, and you say, 'Hey, I think this guy has what it takes,' and it doesn't transfer the way you'd expect it to. I think that's happened for anybody who's evaluating players in this league."
Said Wolf: "If you had a key to that position, you could retire and buy an island. For every one you get correct, you get six, seven, eight or nine more incorrect. People try to make it a science. There's no science involved here. You've got to have a little luck."
ESPN NFL Nation reporters Rob Demovsky, Jeff Legwold and Michael Rothstein contributed to this report.
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as to your last statement - I am just able to channel my adaptability and communicate with you on your low level. I'm glad to see you at least try to not have a nervous breakdown over being disagreed with. Have a nice day.
Oh, wait - read in the read up above. It's complicated - I don't see rosen measuring up, not even on a physical level. Best pure pocket passer isn't going to make it, when that is the only thing he has going for him. Read the article - it's great, and no, I didn't write it.
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