President Trump would have ran into the school to save the children even without a weapon
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Then I can die without regret knowing that I did what I could to try and save kids. What you are saying reeks of cowardice to me. I've had a good life. I'm only 38 now not as old as some of the posters here but old enough to have experienced everything kids are getting robbed of if they get shot down by a maniac.
Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind... -
I work in education. Anyone actually had the training? I have. Couple different kinds actually: hide, fight, run, etc.
Well-intentioned or not, what he is saying goes directly against training. That's my issue.
Ask the custodian at Virginia Tech. Wait, you can't. He's dead. He heard shots and ran upstairs right into the line of fire. Rest in peace.
As for fighting. Let's take a peek into the bathroom at Sandy Hook. The killer has two groups cornered. Each group has a teacher and students. The one teacher pushes the students and they all break for the door. The other huddles with students in the corner. The ones who made the break lived. The others did not. Rest in peace. There are different ways of fighting back...
I hear you all though. We all want to think that we could make a difference. I distinctly remember after one training, one of the maintenance fellas asked, "so, what do we do when we run in to intervene?" The trainer said: "I just told you not to do that."
I work in education. Anyone actually had the training? I have. Couple different kinds actually: hide, fight, run, etc.
Well-intentioned or not, what he is saying goes directly against training. That's my issue.
Ask the custodian at Virginia Tech. Wait, you can't. He's dead. He heard shots and ran upstairs right into the line of fire. Rest in peace.
As for fighting. Let's take a peek into the bathroom at Sandy Hook. The killer has two groups cornered. Each group has a teacher and students. The one teacher pushes the students and they all break for the door. The other huddles with students in the corner. The ones who made the break lived. The others did not. Rest in peace. There are different ways of fighting back...
I hear you all though. We all want to think that we could make a difference. I distinctly remember after one training, one of the maintenance fellas asked, "so, what do we do when we run in to intervene?" The trainer said: "I just told you not to do that."
Training by who? don't help kids being murdered? WTF ? who trained you? the coward of broward? Every situation is different. There is no training that fits all. Look at Broward. My ccw instructor was 4 1/2 years as a special forces weapons expert. I talked about wanting to take an advanced ccw class or two - he teaches them now. I asked him about Sandy Hook - he said how do you outrun bullets? Hide from a murdered too close with nowhere to hide?
The problem is gun free zones. A murderer knows he has a free zone to murder with no danger to himself. Sick stuff.
Seriously - the kids who DID hide, died? That is your trainer's training?
https://www.cnn.com/2017/09/22/us/illinois-teacher-hero/index.html
she was trained. She had a better trainer than you.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/teacher-school-took-down-gunman-recently-trained-active-shooters/
Maybe if the teacher who ran with students, had tackled the murderer... the other kids may have lived, too.
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I can assure you that no one knows how they will react in a situation like this. I've seen big muscular guys freeze up in combat and small skinny guys show no fear. It's a flight or fight that happens in an instant.
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Yeah. That is not news. I covered all that in my initial post
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Yeah. That is not news. I covered all that in my initial post
Yeah. That is not news. I covered all that in my initial post
So you did.
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Trump is no coward - and he wasn't being a fool when he said that.
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Then I can die without regret knowing that I did what I could to try and save kids. What you are saying reeks of cowardice to me. I've had a good life. I'm only 38 now not as old as some of the posters here but old enough to have experienced everything kids are getting robbed of if they get shot down by a maniac.
Then I can die without regret knowing that I did what I could to try and save kids. What you are saying reeks of cowardice to me. I've had a good life. I'm only 38 now not as old as some of the posters here but old enough to have experienced everything kids are getting robbed of if they get shot down by a maniac.
Take your hero complex to your grave then.
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I work in education. Anyone actually had the training? I have. Couple different kinds actually: hide, fight, run, etc.
Well-intentioned or not, what he is saying goes directly against training. That's my issue.
Ask the custodian at Virginia Tech. Wait, you can't. He's dead. He heard shots and ran upstairs right into the line of fire. Rest in peace.
As for fighting. Let's take a peek into the bathroom at Sandy Hook. The killer has two groups cornered. Each group has a teacher and students. The one teacher pushes the students and they all break for the door. The other huddles with students in the corner. The ones who made the break lived. The others did not. Rest in peace. There are different ways of fighting back...
I hear you all though. We all want to think that we could make a difference. I distinctly remember after one training, one of the maintenance fellas asked, "so, what do we do when we run in to intervene?" The trainer said: "I just told you not to do that."
Training by who? don't help kids being murdered? WTF ? who trained you? the coward of broward? Every situation is different. There is no training that fits all. Look at Broward. My ccw instructor was 4 1/2 years as a special forces weapons expert. I talked about wanting to take an advanced ccw class or two - he teaches them now. I asked him about Sandy Hook - he said how do you outrun bullets? Hide from a murdered too close with nowhere to hide?
The problem is gun free zones. A murderer knows he has a free zone to murder with no danger to himself. Sick stuff.
Seriously - the kids who DID hide, died? That is your trainer's training?
https://www.cnn.com/2017/09/22/us/illinois-teacher-hero/index.html
she was trained. She had a better trainer than you.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/teacher-school-took-down-gunman-recently-trained-active-shooters/
Maybe if the teacher who ran with students, had tackled the murderer... the other kids may have lived, too.
Training by who? don't help kids being murdered? WTF ? who trained you? the coward of broward? Every situation is different. There is no training that fits all. Look at Broward. My ccw instructor was 4 1/2 years as a special forces weapons expert. I talked about wanting to take an advanced ccw class or two - he teaches them now. I asked him about Sandy Hook - he said how do you outrun bullets? Hide from a murdered too close with nowhere to hide?
The problem is gun free zones. A murderer knows he has a free zone to murder with no danger to himself. Sick stuff.
Seriously - the kids who DID hide, died? That is your trainer's training?
https://www.cnn.com/2017/09/22/us/illinois-teacher-hero/index.html
she was trained. She had a better trainer than you.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/teacher-school-took-down-gunman-recently-trained-active-shooters/
Maybe if the teacher who ran with students, had tackled the murderer... the other kids may have lived, too.
Who cares what you "think"?
The training that I had broke down the major mass killings point by point, death by death, as they happened, examining the blueprints of the buildings involved and the timing of the arrival of security forces as it happened.
We considered each action by the killers and victims and problematized them so that we could keep ourselves and each other alive. We actually barricaded ourselves in a room that had serious security flaws and armed ourselves with anything we could to plan our counterattack if necessary. We ran a scenario where we encountered the killer and hit him with, well, wiffle balls, pretending they were heavier objects
Your fantasies were not included. Go figure. The first thing they said was not "run down the hall and impale yourself on a bullet." Again, go figure.
You He-Men are ridiculous. The only thing to do is run in and die like Daddy Trump says. Save 'em all or die, just like your moral absolutism (look that up if you have to).
My trainers were real men who had been there, not pathetic keyboard heroes addicted to whining...like yourself.
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bs. Letting some kids die to save yourself is your "training" ? pitiful. Good think Navy Seals and Marines are not trained to lay down and save yourself and let others just die. You said you were trained to run, and the other kids could just die.
Have a nice day. I can't imagine you ever saving anybody, ever. Your "here's why it pays to be a coward" attitude surely wasn't in your training.
no principles, you got nothin.
You're in a gymnasium - full of kids. a door pops open and a gunman starts shooting.
oh, your training says to get all the entire gym in a room and blockade the door, and find pencils and erasers to use as weapons "if necessary".
Before the gunman murders a bunch of kids? "but it's okay because you saved all the others that were lucky they didn't get murdered and made it out into the hallway"
egad, that's a disgrace. You tackle the murdered and keep him from shooting anybody, hopefully. Exactly what my ccw instructor told me. "how you going to outrun bullets? How do you hide when there is no place to hide? "
who were your trainers? the local officials from the democratic socialist party?
yeah, you be standing outside, behind a wall, waiting for somebody else to go save kids.
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Then I can die without regret knowing that I did what I could to try and save kids. What you are saying reeks of cowardice to me. I've had a good life. I'm only 38 now not as old as some of the posters here but old enough to have experienced everything kids are getting robbed of if they get shot down by a maniac.
Take your hero complex to your grave then.
Take your hero complex to your grave then.
Hide in a closet, then, and hope you can look yourself in the mirror for the rest of your hopefully long life.
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You realize you're talking down to two veterans right? Well done.
Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind... -
About a year ago, my employer made it mandatory that all of us took ALICE training (active shooter).
Retaliation against an attacker was part of the training, that is the “Counter” part of the acronym. . .
Alert
Lockdown
Inform
Counter
Evacuate
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About a year ago, my employer made it mandatory that all of us took ALICE training (active shooter).
Retaliation against an attacker was part of the training, that is the “Counter” part of the acronym. . .
Alert
Lockdown
Inform
Counter
Evacuate
About a year ago, my employer made it mandatory that all of us took ALICE training (active shooter).
Retaliation against an attacker was part of the training, that is the “Counter” part of the acronym. . .
Alert
Lockdown
Inform
Counter
Evacuate
sounds like great training, sober poet had new age liberal "run, hide, save yourself while a bunch of kids die...." training
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"”If every German Jew and anti-Nazi had possessed a Mauser rifle, twenty rounds and the will to use it, Adolf Hitler would be a footnote to the history of the Weimar Republic.”
— Aaron Zelman, 1995 -
I work in education. Anyone actually had the training? I have. Couple different kinds actually: hide, fight, run, etc.
Well-intentioned or not, what he is saying goes directly against training. That's my issue.
Ask the custodian at Virginia Tech. Wait, you can't. He's dead. He heard shots and ran upstairs right into the line of fire. Rest in peace.
As for fighting. Let's take a peek into the bathroom at Sandy Hook. The killer has two groups cornered. Each group has a teacher and students. The one teacher pushes the students and they all break for the door. The other huddles with students in the corner. The ones who made the break lived. The others did not. Rest in peace. There are different ways of fighting back...
I hear you all though. We all want to think that we could make a difference. I distinctly remember after one training, one of the maintenance fellas asked, "so, what do we do when we run in to intervene?" The trainer said: "I just told you not to do that."
I work in education. Anyone actually had the training? I have. Couple different kinds actually: hide, fight, run, etc.
Well-intentioned or not, what he is saying goes directly against training. That's my issue.
Ask the custodian at Virginia Tech. Wait, you can't. He's dead. He heard shots and ran upstairs right into the line of fire. Rest in peace.
As for fighting. Let's take a peek into the bathroom at Sandy Hook. The killer has two groups cornered. Each group has a teacher and students. The one teacher pushes the students and they all break for the door. The other huddles with students in the corner. The ones who made the break lived. The others did not. Rest in peace. There are different ways of fighting back...
I hear you all though. We all want to think that we could make a difference. I distinctly remember after one training, one of the maintenance fellas asked, "so, what do we do when we run in to intervene?" The trainer said: "I just told you not to do that."
My son is a middle school teacher/coach. Last fall a student came running in from the parking lot outside yelling that a girl was being abducted in the parking lot. My son, who has 20 years experience in martial arts, immediately ran for the door to the parking lot even though "policy" called for him to get the security guard inside about 70 yds. away. As he passed the kid he yelled at him to go get the security guard while he himself sprinted outside. As it turned out the girl was just arguing with someone in a car and yelled that he was abducting her just to get attention. Nonetheless the principal thanked him for his quick thinking and action to stop what had been reported instead of following "policy". It got around to the rest of the staff very quickly and suddenly he was a "hero" despite him saying that with his own personal training there was no other choice but to intervene.
Sometimes you have to be true to yourself and do what you think your experience tells you that you can do even if it might be against "policy". I am very proud of what he did even though he had the potential of being in harms way without any weapon other than his hands and feet.
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Tell ya what guys.
We have a mock active shooter event planned for this spring that will encompass our entire campus. It will be huge. We have to practice, because the threat is that real. We have to advertise it to keep people safe. We know the date, but don't know exactly when or where it is going to break out.
It will have federal oversight, and will be a joint effort between fire, safety and law enforcement at all levels. Cal asked who trains us? Trump's government. Plain and simple. So yeah, I have a problem when he undercuts his best people directly...probably fire them next for disagreeing with him.
And no one is saying you can't do what your conscience dictates, grow up and reread the thread. Do you guys realize that we also have standing policies where we HAVE to intervene if things are getting physical between a couple or some such? We all have roles to keep people safe, ourselves and others.
It makes me think of the Seattle mass shooting in 2016. There were many interviews with people with conceal carry permits who were armed at the time and did not go out and try to take out the shooter. Why? The most compelling reason for me was: "How would the cops know I wasn't the shooter?" Were they cowards or did they understand their role in the crisis?
And, really, what are the chances of you actually being outside a grade school when someone shoots it up? Astronomical but improving I would say. It's a false argument to provide cover for a president who can't control his mouth, or fingers. Get a clue.
That said, these trainings and mock killers roaming the campus can get pretty intense. I mentioned whiffle balls in an earlier post. We had to resort to whiffle balls and bean bags and write things "stapler" or "fire extinguisher" on them. Why? Because they actually had people arm themselves with office equipment in the first scenario and some folks got so involved that they actually bounced staplers and paper weights off the head of the "shooter" and injured him. No kidding. They lit him up.
I believe I have done my civic duty by providing some insight into the state-of-the-art in survival training in these scenarios and am going to leave this thread now and work on some interesting stuff for the Barber Shop. I will try to remember to return and tell you how I did during the scenario. I doubt very much I get to deploy the kamikaze approach many of you seem to favor, since I manage people and must see to their safety as well.
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You realize you're talking down to two veterans right? Well done.
You realize you're talking down to two veterans right? Well done.
Thanks sincerely for your service. Sincerely.
It doesn't give you the right to be wrong though.
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Tell ya what guys.
We have a mock active shooter event planned for this spring that will encompass our entire campus. It will be huge. We have to practice, because the threat is that real. We have to advertise it to keep people safe. We know the date, but don't know exactly when or where it is going to break out.
It will have federal oversight, and will be a joint effort between fire, safety and law enforcement at all levels. Cal asked who trains us? Trump's government. Plain and simple. So yeah, I have a problem when he undercuts his best people directly...probably fire them next for disagreeing with him.
And no one is saying you can't do what your conscience dictates, grow up and reread the thread. Do you guys realize that we also have standing policies where we HAVE to intervene if things are getting physical between a couple or some such? We all have roles to keep people safe, ourselves and others.
It makes me think of the Seattle mass shooting in 2016. There were many interviews with people with conceal carry permits who were armed at the time and did not go out and try to take out the shooter. Why? The most compelling reason for me was: "How would the cops know I wasn't the shooter?" Were they cowards or did they understand their role in the crisis?
And, really, what are the chances of you actually being outside a grade school when someone shoots it up? Astronomical but improving I would say. It's a false argument to provide cover for a president who can't control his mouth, or fingers. Get a clue.
That said, these trainings and mock killers roaming the campus can get pretty intense. I mentioned whiffle balls in an earlier post. We had to resort to whiffle balls and bean bags and write things "stapler" or "fire extinguisher" on them. Why? Because they actually had people arm themselves with office equipment in the first scenario and some folks got so involved that they actually bounced staplers and paper weights off the head of the "shooter" and injured him. No kidding. They lit him up.
I believe I have done my civic duty by providing some insight into the state-of-the-art in survival training in these scenarios and am going to leave this thread now and work on some interesting stuff for the Barber Shop. I will try to remember to return and tell you how I did during the scenario. I doubt very much I get to deploy the kamikaze approach many of you seem to favor, since I manage people and must see to their safety as well.
It will have federal oversight, and will be a joint effort between fire, safety and law enforcement at all levels. Cal asked who trains us? Trump's government.
darn those obaMao liberal cowards still there. Well, there ya go again , running and hiding, whiffle balls.
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