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  • darren15 darren15D Conversation Starter Very Popular Posting Machine Collaborator First Post One Year In One Month Later Week One Done
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    darren15D darren15 wrote on last edited by darren15
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    Which positions do you think need to be addressed in FA instead of the draft ......I think a vet at tackle is better than taking one in the draft at the moment...... if we can address the D in FA, Corner, Safety OLB then use the draft for some flyers on offense

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    • darren15D darren15

      Which positions do you think need to be addressed in FA instead of the draft ......I think a vet at tackle is better than taking one in the draft at the moment...... if we can address the D in FA, Corner, Safety OLB then use the draft for some flyers on offense

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      The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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      @darren15 said:

      Which positions do you think need to be addressed in FA instead of the draft ......I think a vet at tackle is better than taking one in the draft at the moment...... if we can address the D in FA, Corner, Safety OLB then use the draft for some flyers on offense

      I think you answered your own question.  Fair to say?

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      • The GipperT The Gipper

        Basic deal:    anything you rank like 9-10  should be a spot addressed with our first round picks.

        Positions ranked  8-7  with 2d round picks.    5-6  third rounders....and the rest.

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        hoortaH hoorta wrote on last edited by
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        @the-gipper said:

        Basic deal:    anything you rank like 9-10  should be a spot addressed with our first round picks.

        Positions ranked  8-7  with 2d round picks.    5-6  third rounders....and the rest.

        I pretty much agree with your assessments, so I'm not going to try and reinvent the wheel.  🙂  

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        • The GipperT The Gipper

          Since Free Agency is days away, and the draft is upcoming....Lets look at the Browns Depth Chart as it stands right now,   and then let's do a "needs" analysis.   Lets do it this way:  Do a 1-10 scale, one being low need, 10 being high need....for what the Browns should do in either FA or the draft:

          So...1-10 say what our need is at these spots  (and feel free to suggest solutions to positions of greatest need)

          Offense

          QBs:  Kizer,  Hogan, Kessler:  Need:

          RBs: Duke Johnson,  Matthew Dayes, Marquez Williams  (Crowell...FA)    Need:

          Fullback:  Dan Vitale.   Need:

          Center: JC Tretter,  Austin Reiter.   Need:

          LG:   Bitonio, Chris Baker    Need:

          RG: Zeitler, Geoff Gray, Joe Cheek  Need:

          RT:  Sean Coleman, Zach Banner

          LT:  Joe Thomas (assuming he does not retire)  Drango, Rod Johnson   Need: 

          TE: Njoku, Devalve, Telfer, Gavin Escobar   Need:

          WR1: Gordon, Ricardo Louis, Kasen Williams  Need:

          WR2:  Coleman, Higgins, Coates

          Defense

          DE1:  Garrett, Orchard, Colin Bevins  Need:

          DE2: Ogbah,  Nassib,  Lavar Edwards (who is a FA and not expected back)   Need:

          DT1: Trevon Coley,  Ogunjobi  Need: 

          DT2:  Shelton,  Brantley, Meder  Need:

          SLB: Jamie Collins, James Burgess, Jeremy Cash  Need: 

          MLB: Schobert, Tank Carder, BJ Bello, Max Bullough Need:

          WLB: Kirksey,  Dom. Alexander, Jack Keys Need:

          LCB:  McCourty, Michael Jordan, CJ Smith Need:

          RCB:  Jamar Taylor, Briean Boddy-Calhoun,  Howard Wilson  Need:

          S1:  Peppers, Kindred, Derron Smith  Need: 

          S2: Kai Nacua, Justin Currie  Need:

          Special Teams:

          P  Colquitt

          K Zane Gonzales

          LS  Hughlett

          PR  Peppers, Duke Johnson

          KR  Dayes,  Peppers

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          Dutch OvenD Dutch Oven wrote on last edited by
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          @the-gipper said:

          Offense

          QBs:  Kizer,  Hogan, Kessler:  Need: 10

          RBs: Duke Johnson,  Matthew Dayes, Marquez Williams  (Crowell...FA)    Need: 9

          Fullback:  Dan Vitale.   Need: 2

          Center: JC Tretter,  Austin Reiter.   Need: 3

          LG:   Bitonio, Chris Baker    Need: 2

          RG: Zeitler, Geoff Gray, Joe Cheek  Need: 2

          RT:  Sean Coleman, Zach Banner 5

          LT:  Joe Thomas (assuming he does not retire)  Drango, Rod Johnson   Need: 10

          TE: Njoku, Devalve, Telfer, Gavin Escobar   Need: 2

          WR1: Gordon, Ricardo Louis, Kasen Williams  Need: 8

          WR2:  Coleman, Higgins, Coates Need: 8

          Defense

          DE1:  Garrett, Orchard, Colin Bevins  Need: 

          DE2: Ogbah,  Nassib,  Lavar Edwards (who is a FA and not expected back)   Need: 5

          DT1: Trevon Coley,  Ogunjobi  Need: 3

          DT2:  Shelton,  Brantley, Meder  Need: 6

          SLB: Jamie Collins, James Burgess, Jeremy Cash  Need: 3

          MLB: Schobert, Tank Carder, BJ Bello, Max Bullough Need: 3

          WLB: Kirksey,  Dom. Alexander, Jack Keys Need: 3

          LCB:  McCourty, Michael Jordan, CJ Smith Need: 6

          RCB:  Jamar Taylor, Briean Boddy-Calhoun,  Howard Wilson  Need: 7

          S1:  Peppers, Kindred, Derron Smith  Need: 8

          S2: Kai Nacua, Justin Currie  Need: 5

          Special Teams:

          P  Colquitt

          K Zane Gonzales

          LS  Hughlett

          PR  Peppers, Duke Johnson

          KR  Dayes,  Peppers

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          • The GipperT The Gipper

            Since Free Agency is days away, and the draft is upcoming....Lets look at the Browns Depth Chart as it stands right now,   and then let's do a "needs" analysis.   Lets do it this way:  Do a 1-10 scale, one being low need, 10 being high need....for what the Browns should do in either FA or the draft:

            So...1-10 say what our need is at these spots  (and feel free to suggest solutions to positions of greatest need)

            Offense

            QBs:  Kizer,  Hogan, Kessler:  Need:

            RBs: Duke Johnson,  Matthew Dayes, Marquez Williams  (Crowell...FA)    Need:

            Fullback:  Dan Vitale.   Need:

            Center: JC Tretter,  Austin Reiter.   Need:

            LG:   Bitonio, Chris Baker    Need:

            RG: Zeitler, Geoff Gray, Joe Cheek  Need:

            RT:  Sean Coleman, Zach Banner

            LT:  Joe Thomas (assuming he does not retire)  Drango, Rod Johnson   Need: 

            TE: Njoku, Devalve, Telfer, Gavin Escobar   Need:

            WR1: Gordon, Ricardo Louis, Kasen Williams  Need:

            WR2:  Coleman, Higgins, Coates

            Defense

            DE1:  Garrett, Orchard, Colin Bevins  Need:

            DE2: Ogbah,  Nassib,  Lavar Edwards (who is a FA and not expected back)   Need:

            DT1: Trevon Coley,  Ogunjobi  Need: 

            DT2:  Shelton,  Brantley, Meder  Need:

            SLB: Jamie Collins, James Burgess, Jeremy Cash  Need: 

            MLB: Schobert, Tank Carder, BJ Bello, Max Bullough Need:

            WLB: Kirksey,  Dom. Alexander, Jack Keys Need:

            LCB:  McCourty, Michael Jordan, CJ Smith Need:

            RCB:  Jamar Taylor, Briean Boddy-Calhoun,  Howard Wilson  Need:

            S1:  Peppers, Kindred, Derron Smith  Need: 

            S2: Kai Nacua, Justin Currie  Need:

            Special Teams:

            P  Colquitt

            K Zane Gonzales

            LS  Hughlett

            PR  Peppers, Duke Johnson

            KR  Dayes,  Peppers

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            PoeticGP PoeticG wrote on last edited by
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            @the-gipper said:

            Since Free Agency is days away, and the draft is upcoming....Lets look at the Browns Depth Chart as it stands right now,   and then let's do a "needs" analysis.   Lets do it this way:  Do a 1-10 scale, one being low need, 10 being high need....for what the Browns should do in either FA or the draft:

            So...1-10 say what our need is at these spots  (and feel free to suggest solutions to positions of greatest need)

            Offense

            QBs:  Kizer,  Hogan, Kessler:  Need: 8  (Many QBs in FA and the draft, perhaps someone already on the roster steps up in our new scheme, we should let Haley pick the QB to run his offense) 

            RBs: Duke Johnson,  Matthew Dayes, Marquez Williams  (Crowell...FA)    Need: 8 ( Saquon Barkley is the best offensive player in the draft. Duke and Dayes are support role players and not feature backs in the traditional sense IMO)

            Fullback:  Dan Vitale.   Need: 4 (There are a couple good FBs in the draft this year that both bring a little something different to the table, mid to late rounds)

            Center: JC Tretter,  Austin Reiter.   Need: 4  (not a tremendous need but Tretter could be replaced, similar situation as RT)

            LG:   Bitonio, Chris Baker    Need: 1 (Bito is good for a while here, unless you're going BPA and adding depth, there are more pressing concerns)

            RG: Zeitler, Geoff Gray, Joe Cheek  Need: 1 (Same as LG)

            RT:  Sean Coleman, Zach Banner Need: 4 (Not saying Coleman isn't the answer but RT has been a swinging gate for some years, hope Coleman solidifies the position though.) 

            LT:  Joe Thomas (assuming he does not retire)  Drango, Rod Johnson   Need: 6 (Even healthy, Joe is on borrowed time, time to start preparing for father time)

            TE: Njoku, Devalve, Telfer, Gavin Escobar   Need: 1 (Young and developing, this group is pretty good)

            WR1: Gordon, Ricardo Louis, Kasen Williams  Need: 3 (Gordon is an All-Pro but behind him there's a oceanic drop off- The only reason this has a need rating at all is because we lose everything if we lose Gordon again. Equiminious St. Brown is a player that could develop into a top talent in time)

            WR2:  Coleman, Higgins, Coates Need: 5 (All these guys are young like the rest of WR1's group. Great young WR group with lots of potential, you could actually be okay with these guys. There's 6 young and developing receivers adding a big playmaker here would round out a smooth 7)

            Defense

            DE1:  Garrett, Orchard, Colin Bevins  Need: 1   (We've got an early second rounder backing up a #1 Overall, if this isn't good for a 1, I don't know what is)

            DE2: Ogbah,  Nassib,  Lavar Edwards (who is a FA and not expected back)   Need: 1 (I like both of these players a lot, early picks that are still filling out, patience)

            DT1: Trevon Coley,  Ogunjobi  Need: 3 (Ogunjobi is going to make a huge leap this year, I've got a feeling. Coley did well)

            DT2:  Shelton,  Brantley, Meder  Need: 2  (Shelton still hasn't peaked, Brantley was a steal in last years draft and has untapped potential, Meder's always solid.)

            SLB: Jamie Collins, James Burgess, Jeremy Cash  Need: 1 (Jamie was the Browns' most feared player on defense before he was injured, it's a shame we never got to see Collins, Ogbah, Shelton, Ogunjobi and Garrett play much together, if at all because of injuries throughout the season. I expect this front seven to be dominant as is if healthy, depth is a concern but only marginally as we have some decent backups. Okay in a pinch but suspect with injuries at multiple spots at the same time, but the same could be said of any team)

            MLB: Schobert, Tank Carder, BJ Bello, Max Bullough Need: 3 (This one is hard, Tank was the starter and injured before the season and Show earned a ProBowl. Tough to call a Need.)

            WLB: Kirksey,  Dom. Alexander, Jack Keys Need: 2 (Leader of the defense and a homegrown talent, can't much put a need on his head either.)

            LCB:  McCourty, Michael Jordan, CJ Smith Need: 6 (Starter's getting older, need a young guy to groom for the future, but for now McCourty balled out last year.)

            RCB:  Jamar Taylor, Briean Boddy-Calhoun,  Howard Wilson  Need: 4 (I like these guys a lot, mostly the latter two but Taylor is a decent player)

            S1:  Peppers, Kindred, Derron Smith  Need: 2 (Peppers and Kindred played different positions last year correct? With them listed together now, there is little need here.)

            S2: Kai Nacua, Justin Currie  Need: 8 ... (Why has this position been so hard to fill for so long? Who was the last great player that we had at FS?)

            Special Teams:

            P  Colquitt

            K Zane Gonzales

            LS  Hughlett

            PR  Peppers, Duke Johnson - 

            KR  Dayes,  Peppers

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              S SD_Tom wrote on last edited by
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              We are all set at QB and WR. 

              Shouldn't need to draft either. 

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              • The GipperT The Gipper

                Since Free Agency is days away, and the draft is upcoming....Lets look at the Browns Depth Chart as it stands right now,   and then let's do a "needs" analysis.   Lets do it this way:  Do a 1-10 scale, one being low need, 10 being high need....for what the Browns should do in either FA or the draft:

                So...1-10 say what our need is at these spots  (and feel free to suggest solutions to positions of greatest need)

                Offense

                QBs:  Kizer,  Hogan, Kessler:  Need:

                RBs: Duke Johnson,  Matthew Dayes, Marquez Williams  (Crowell...FA)    Need:

                Fullback:  Dan Vitale.   Need:

                Center: JC Tretter,  Austin Reiter.   Need:

                LG:   Bitonio, Chris Baker    Need:

                RG: Zeitler, Geoff Gray, Joe Cheek  Need:

                RT:  Sean Coleman, Zach Banner

                LT:  Joe Thomas (assuming he does not retire)  Drango, Rod Johnson   Need: 

                TE: Njoku, Devalve, Telfer, Gavin Escobar   Need:

                WR1: Gordon, Ricardo Louis, Kasen Williams  Need:

                WR2:  Coleman, Higgins, Coates

                Defense

                DE1:  Garrett, Orchard, Colin Bevins  Need:

                DE2: Ogbah,  Nassib,  Lavar Edwards (who is a FA and not expected back)   Need:

                DT1: Trevon Coley,  Ogunjobi  Need: 

                DT2:  Shelton,  Brantley, Meder  Need:

                SLB: Jamie Collins, James Burgess, Jeremy Cash  Need: 

                MLB: Schobert, Tank Carder, BJ Bello, Max Bullough Need:

                WLB: Kirksey,  Dom. Alexander, Jack Keys Need:

                LCB:  McCourty, Michael Jordan, CJ Smith Need:

                RCB:  Jamar Taylor, Briean Boddy-Calhoun,  Howard Wilson  Need:

                S1:  Peppers, Kindred, Derron Smith  Need: 

                S2: Kai Nacua, Justin Currie  Need:

                Special Teams:

                P  Colquitt

                K Zane Gonzales

                LS  Hughlett

                PR  Peppers, Duke Johnson

                KR  Dayes,  Peppers

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                Canton MikeC Canton Mike wrote on last edited by Canton Mike
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                @the-gipper said:

                Since Free Agency is days away, and the draft is upcoming....Lets look at the Browns Depth Chart as it stands right now,   and then let's do a "needs" analysis.   Lets do it this way:  Do a 1-10 scale, one being low need, 10 being high need....for what the Browns should do in either FA or the draft:

                So...1-10 say what our need is at these spots  (and feel free to suggest solutions to positions of greatest need)

                Offense

                QBs:  Kizer,  Hogan, Kessler:  Need: 10

                RBs: Duke Johnson,  Matthew Dayes, Marquez Williams  (Crowell...FA)    Need: 8..Crow-gone, Duke fumbles, Williams?

                Fullback:  Dan Vitale.   Need: 2

                Center: JC Tretter,  Austin Reiter.   Need: 4

                LG:   Bitonio, Chris Baker    Need: 1-7 pending Bitonio's health

                RG: Zeitler, Geoff Gray, Joe Cheek  Need:  2

                RT:  Sean Coleman, Zach Banner 2

                LT:  Joe Thomas (assuming he does not retire)  Drango, Rod Johnson   Need: 8 (attack future NOW)

                TE: Njoku, Devalve, Telfer, Gavin Escobar   Need: 1-6 depending on improvement as blockers from DN & SD

                WR1: Gordon, Ricardo Louis, Kasen Williams  Need: 9 (NO WAY do I have faith in JG)

                WR2:  Coleman, Higgins, Coates  Need: 10 (we're at "ground zero" here. Higgins maybe ok)

                Defense

                DE1:  Garrett, Orchard, Colin Bevins  Need: 2

                DE2: Ogbah,  Nassib,  Lavar Edwards (who is a FA and not expected back)   Need: 4

                DT1: Trevon Coley,  Ogunjobi  Need: 2

                DT2:  Shelton,  Brantley, Meder  Need: 2

                SLB: Jamie Collins, James Burgess, Jeremy Cash  Need: 3

                MLB: Schobert, Tank Carder, BJ Bello, Max Bullough Need: 6 (LB who can cover in the passing game)

                WLB: Kirksey,  Dom. Alexander, Jack Keys Need: 2

                LCB:  McCourty, Michael Jordan, CJ Smith Need: 9

                RCB:  Jamar Taylor, Briean Boddy-Calhoun,  Howard Wilson  Need: 9

                S1:  Peppers, Kindred, Derron Smith  Need: 4 (if SS, we're ok)

                S2: Kai Nacua, Justin Currie  Need: 10 (must get a FS...where's Ed Reed when you need him?)

                Special Teams:

                P  Colquitt  Need: 5 (due to age)

                K Zane Gonzales  Need: 3 (competition)

                LS  Hughlett  Need: 2

                PR  Peppers, Duke Johnson  Need: 2 (Let's see the Amos effect)

                KR  Dayes,  Peppers  Need: 2

                Aw, what the hell do I know?

                Mike

                IN DORSEY I TRUST
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                  We are all set at QB and WR. 

                  Shouldn't need to draft either. 

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                  mjp28M mjp28 wrote on last edited by
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                  @sd_tom said:

                  We are all set at QB and WR. 

                  Shouldn't need to draft either. 

                  Tom you are obviously kidding us right?  😉  

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                    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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                    S2: Kai Nacua, Justin Currie  Need: 8 ... (Why has this position been so hard to fill for so long? Who was the last great player that we had at FS?)

                    Not sure about "great"   but both Tashaun Gipson and TJ Ward were Pro Bowlers if I recall.

                    Even with the Dawgs....it was the Cornerbacks Dixon and Minniefield who drove that bus. Who was the FS with that bunch?  Felix Wright?

                    You may have to go back to Thom Darden....FS  who is the all time Browns leader in Ints.

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                      The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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                      LG:   Bitonio, Chris Baker    Need: 1-7 pending Bitonio's health

                      Good point.  Bito top notch when healthy...but as I noted....I am not sure we have a quality backup at either LG or RG....do we?

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                        @sd_tom said:

                        We are all set at QB and WR. 

                        Shouldn't need to draft either. 

                        Tom you are obviously kidding us right?  😉  

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                        @mjp28 said:

                        Tom you are obviously kidding us right?  😉  

                        Probably 

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