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  • C calfoxwc

    okay. .......why? I don't know - just was wondering off hand.

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    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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    @calfoxwc said:

    okay. .......why? I don't know - just was wondering off hand.

    Why will they do something with the catch rule?   Because nobody has a clue about what is or is not a catch now.

    Why will they do nothing to change the PI rule?   Because a mere 15 yard penalty will seem to invite more PI....and it will be seen as almost a reward for a team to commit a PI way downfield.

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      There should be two tiers to PI.

      One that is less flagrant (CB makes contact without turning head around, etc.) should be 15 yards.

      But if it’s a 60 yd pass and the CB is beat and he tackles the WR? That should be a spot foul.

      If they change everything to 15 yds, then a CB beat for a touchdown will just tackle the WR, because why wouldn’t you? 15 yds is better than a TD for the defense.

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      @lionofbuddha said:

      But if it’s a 60 yd pass and the CB is beat and he tackles the WR? That should be a spot foul.

      Any beat defender that's more than 15 yards downfield...would just tackle the receiver.  That's what I would teach.

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        gumby73G gumby73 wrote on last edited by
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        See..Now we get Gordon back & all these wussies want to change the 50 yard PI penalty rule 😛..If intential PI rule is reviewable it's more Dilly! Dilly! ads with no action..keep the game simple please..4pm games are being moved to 4:30 already     

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          There should be two tiers to PI.

          One that is less flagrant (CB makes contact without turning head around, etc.) should be 15 yards.

          But if it’s a 60 yd pass and the CB is beat and he tackles the WR? That should be a spot foul.

          If they change everything to 15 yds, then a CB beat for a touchdown will just tackle the WR, because why wouldn’t you? 15 yds is better than a TD for the defense.

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          Canton MikeC Canton Mike wrote on last edited by
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          @lionofbuddha said:

          There should be two tiers to PI.

          One that is less flagrant (CB makes contact without turning head around, etc.) should be 15 yards.

          But if it’s a 60 yd pass and the CB is beat and he tackles the WR? That should be a spot foul.

          If they change everything to 15 yds, then a CB beat for a touchdown will just tackle the WR, because why wouldn’t you? 15 yds is better than a TD for the defense.

          Yes. Well said LOB!

          Let's say it's late in a game with time for only 2 plays & a team is on its' own 25 yard line needing a FG. QB throws a 40 yard pass & the DB CLEARLY & intentionally interferes. That penalty INCREASES the chance for the defending team to win via a 15 yard penalty (70 yd FG attempt) whereas the spot penalty gives at least a viable FG attempt(52-54 yds). The 15 yard penalty invites more intentional PIs. Bad behavior rewarded & it WILL happen.

          NO to 15 yds on all PIs.

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            @lionofbuddha said:

            But if it’s a 60 yd pass and the CB is beat and he tackles the WR? That should be a spot foul.

            Any beat defender that's more than 15 yards downfield...would just tackle the receiver.  That's what I would teach.

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            Canton MikeC Canton Mike wrote on last edited by
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            @orion said:

            Any beat defender that's more than 15 yards downfield...would just tackle the receiver.  That's what I would teach.

            Yep, & that sucks.

            Mike

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              @orion said:

              Any beat defender that's more than 15 yards downfield...would just tackle the receiver.  That's what I would teach.

              Yep, & that sucks.

              Mike

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              OrionO Orion wrote on last edited by Orion
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              @canton-mike said:

              Yep, & that sucks.

              And that's why they can't change that rule.  I mean, a beat defender will tackle the receiver even WITHOUT the rule...so he doesn't give up a TD.

              As for the 'catch' rule, I thought it was fine until they changed it to what it is now.  If you catch it and have two feet down then it's a catch.  So now if you catch it, have two feet down and dive into the end zone, if it comes loose when you hit the ground then it's incomplete.  Whereas a RB can dive over the goal line and it's a TD the instant the ball crosses the goal line.  He can drop it in mid air if he wants.  

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                NeroN Nero wrote on last edited by
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                The problem with the catch rule for me is the introduction of the term 'process'. 

                I remember when I learnt what was a catch in the NFL that it was 'OK, catch and both feet, knee, arm or whatever that states that you're in bounds'. 

                Now they have to check thoroughly what happens between catcher's hand and the ball for 5 mins in an action that took place in less than a second. Did the ball move? Did it survive the ground? Did the catcher move or even free it for a second to assure that he makes the catch? (In Spanish we call it a two time catch) 

                The reviewing time-play time ratio is way too big on this one. And it happens even if it's not a catch for a TD!!!

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                • L LionOfBuddha

                  There should be two tiers to PI.

                  One that is less flagrant (CB makes contact without turning head around, etc.) should be 15 yards.

                  But if it’s a 60 yd pass and the CB is beat and he tackles the WR? That should be a spot foul.

                  If they change everything to 15 yds, then a CB beat for a touchdown will just tackle the WR, because why wouldn’t you? 15 yds is better than a TD for the defense.

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                  mjp28M mjp28 wrote on last edited by
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                  @lionofbuddha said:

                  There should be two tiers to PI.

                  One that is less flagrant (CB makes contact without turning head around, etc.) should be 15 yards.

                  But if it’s a 60 yd pass and the CB is beat and he tackles the WR? That should be a spot foul.

                  If they change everything to 15 yds, then a CB beat for a touchdown will just tackle the WR, because why wouldn’t you? 15 yds is better than a TD for the defense.

                  On #1 they need to address the issue. 

                  On #2 Buddah is on to something, the free chuckit 60 yard penalty is way to easy, but changing it to either 15 or spot becomes the dreaded judgement call but better than it is now. The 15 only in college isn't good either, someone is clearly beat for a TD just deck him and only get 15.

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                    jcam222J jcam222 wrote on last edited by jcam222
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                    The only change to PI should be in the endzone. PI in the endzone should be a TD. 

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                      The only change to PI should be in the endzone. PI in the endzone should be a TD. 

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                      @jcam222 said:

                      The only change to PI should be in the endzone. PI in the endzone should be a TD. 

                      What?

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                        @jcam222 said:

                        The only change to PI should be in the endzone. PI in the endzone should be a TD. 

                        What?

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                        jcam222J jcam222 wrote on last edited by
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                        @dutch-oven said:

                        What?

                        Rather than placing the ball at the 1 yard line pass interference in the end zone should be ruled a TD

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                          @dutch-oven said:

                          What?

                          Rather than placing the ball at the 1 yard line pass interference in the end zone should be ruled a TD

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                          @jcam222 said:

                          Rather than placing the ball at the 1 yard line pass interference in the end zone should be ruled a TD

                          No guarantee that the WR or recievers catch the ball. 1st and goal from the one.

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                            The only change to PI should be in the endzone. PI in the endzone should be a TD. 

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                            @jcam222 said:

                            The only change to PI should be in the endzone. PI in the endzone should be a TD. 

                            What if it's offensive PI.  A TD for the D?

                            Then why not make a safety be worth 6 points? 

                            And while we're at it we'll do away with 'half the distance to the goal'.  If a penalty moves you into the end zone then you get 6 points. (or your opponent gets 6 if it moves you into your own end zone)

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                              @dutch-oven said:

                              What?

                              Rather than placing the ball at the 1 yard line pass interference in the end zone should be ruled a TD

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                              Dutch OvenD Dutch Oven wrote on last edited by
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                              @jcam222 said:

                              Rather than placing the ball at the 1 yard line pass interference in the end zone should be ruled a TD

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                                @jcam222 said:

                                The only change to PI should be in the endzone. PI in the endzone should be a TD. 

                                What if it's offensive PI.  A TD for the D?

                                Then why not make a safety be worth 6 points? 

                                And while we're at it we'll do away with 'half the distance to the goal'.  If a penalty moves you into the end zone then you get 6 points. (or your opponent gets 6 if it moves you into your own end zone)

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                                @orion said:

                                What if it's offensive PI.  A TD for the D?

                                Then why not make a safety be worth 6 points? 

                                And while we're at it we'll do away with 'half the distance to the goal'.  If a penalty moves you into the end zone then you get 6 points. (or your opponent gets 6 if it moves you into your own end zone)

                                Ok I'll buy som of the other arguments but come on, I was obviously referring to defensive PI 

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                                  @orion said:

                                  What if it's offensive PI.  A TD for the D?

                                  Then why not make a safety be worth 6 points? 

                                  And while we're at it we'll do away with 'half the distance to the goal'.  If a penalty moves you into the end zone then you get 6 points. (or your opponent gets 6 if it moves you into your own end zone)

                                  Ok I'll buy som of the other arguments but come on, I was obviously referring to defensive PI 

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                                  @jcam222 said:

                                  Ok I'll buy som of the other arguments but come on, I was obviously referring to defensive PI 

                                  I understood that.  I'd be for it if you could limit it to just 'intentional' PI.  But that's subjective.

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                                    @jcam222 said:

                                    Ok I'll buy som of the other arguments but come on, I was obviously referring to defensive PI 

                                    I understood that.  I'd be for it if you could limit it to just 'intentional' PI.  But that's subjective.

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                                    @orion said:

                                    I understood that.  I'd be for it if you could limit it to just 'intentional' PI.  But that's subjective.

                                    Fair enough 

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