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  • Landry I read is projected to fetch a 3rd rounder. If that's true I'd surely pay it. 

  • Landry I read is projected to fetch a 3rd rounder. If that's true I'd surely pay it. 

    @jcam222 said:

    Landry I read is projected to fetch a 3rd rounder. If that's true I'd surely pay it. 

    So would I....Hey, we can dream, can't we??  😁

    Mike

  • I'l give a 3rd for Landry in a heartbeat. I thought it would take #33 and maybe more.

  • Instead of paying $16M in cap room+big contract extension ($14M per year?) for a slot guy, keep the 3rd (#65) and draft a slot WR like DJ Moore or Anthony Miller in the 3rd or 4th.

  • Maybe I am wrong, it has happened once in my lifetime  (LOL JUST KIDDING), but I just don't understand people's fascination with draft picks.

    A lot of times people say I would rather have this pick vs this player so we can draft so and so. It all boils down to me to known production vs unknown.

    A lot of people when talking about draft picks say I would rather have this pick vs good NFL player.

    Since Landry has been the most talked about in this thread, let's use him. Is there ANY player in 2nd or 3rd round that you really think can give you that production? Yes money comes into as well, but I see production already shown in the league vs a 50% chance of a different prospect.

    Now sometimes the chance at the prospect is better than production, as I wouldn't think about anything close to 2 1sts and 2 2nds for Foles, but I certainly would do these (as compared to the draft choice there)

    1- Carson Wentz over Darnold, Rosen, Mayfield, Allen

    4- Patrick Peterson over Minkah or Gurley over Barkley

    And so on and so forth.

    But like I said, I could be wrong or could just be my style. I just think proven beats unproven EVERY time. 

    I dont know the injury prognosis for the 4 guys in the original message, or contract info, but with their talent, I would certainly trade 2s, 3s, and 4s for those guys

  • Maybe I am wrong, it has happened once in my lifetime  (LOL JUST KIDDING), but I just don't understand people's fascination with draft picks.

    A lot of times people say I would rather have this pick vs this player so we can draft so and so. It all boils down to me to known production vs unknown.

    A lot of people when talking about draft picks say I would rather have this pick vs good NFL player.

    Since Landry has been the most talked about in this thread, let's use him. Is there ANY player in 2nd or 3rd round that you really think can give you that production? Yes money comes into as well, but I see production already shown in the league vs a 50% chance of a different prospect.

    Now sometimes the chance at the prospect is better than production, as I wouldn't think about anything close to 2 1sts and 2 2nds for Foles, but I certainly would do these (as compared to the draft choice there)

    1- Carson Wentz over Darnold, Rosen, Mayfield, Allen

    4- Patrick Peterson over Minkah or Gurley over Barkley

    And so on and so forth.

    But like I said, I could be wrong or could just be my style. I just think proven beats unproven EVERY time. 

    I dont know the injury prognosis for the 4 guys in the original message, or contract info, but with their talent, I would certainly trade 2s, 3s, and 4s for those guys

    @gunz41 said:

    Maybe I am wrong, it has happened once in my lifetime  (LOL JUST KIDDING), but I just don't understand people's fascination with draft picks.

    A lot of times people say I would rather have this pick vs this player so we can draft so and so. It all boils down to me to known production vs unknown.

    A lot of people when talking about draft picks say I would rather have this pick vs good NFL player.

    Since Landry has been the most talked about in this thread, let's use him. Is there ANY player in 2nd or 3rd round that you really think can give you that production? Yes money comes into as well, but I see production already shown in the league vs a 50% chance of a different prospect.

    Now sometimes the chance at the prospect is better than production, as I wouldn't think about anything close to 2 1sts and 2 2nds for Foles, but I certainly would do these (as compared to the draft choice there)

    1- Carson Wentz over Darnold, Rosen, Mayfield, Allen

    4- Patrick Peterson over Minkah or Gurley over Barkley

    And so on and so forth.

    But like I said, I could be wrong or could just be my style. I just think proven beats unproven EVERY time. 

    I dont know the injury prognosis for the 4 guys in the original message, or contract info, but with their talent, I would certainly trade 2s, 3s, and 4s for those guys

    With the salary cap, you NEED to be successful drafting players in order to compete.  Or do whatever the Patriots are doing...

  • @gunz41 said:

    Maybe I am wrong, it has happened once in my lifetime  (LOL JUST KIDDING), but I just don't understand people's fascination with draft picks.

    A lot of times people say I would rather have this pick vs this player so we can draft so and so. It all boils down to me to known production vs unknown.

    A lot of people when talking about draft picks say I would rather have this pick vs good NFL player.

    Since Landry has been the most talked about in this thread, let's use him. Is there ANY player in 2nd or 3rd round that you really think can give you that production? Yes money comes into as well, but I see production already shown in the league vs a 50% chance of a different prospect.

    Now sometimes the chance at the prospect is better than production, as I wouldn't think about anything close to 2 1sts and 2 2nds for Foles, but I certainly would do these (as compared to the draft choice there)

    1- Carson Wentz over Darnold, Rosen, Mayfield, Allen

    4- Patrick Peterson over Minkah or Gurley over Barkley

    And so on and so forth.

    But like I said, I could be wrong or could just be my style. I just think proven beats unproven EVERY time. 

    I dont know the injury prognosis for the 4 guys in the original message, or contract info, but with their talent, I would certainly trade 2s, 3s, and 4s for those guys

    With the salary cap, you NEED to be successful drafting players in order to compete.  Or do whatever the Patriots are doing...

    @jimbojones said:

    With the salary cap, you NEED to be successful drafting players on order to compete.  Or do whatever the Patriots are doing...

    I'm not saying you trade every pick for players, but you could get pro bowler players  for mid rounder pick . I have no problem drafting guys, but if available and heathly and not way overpriced , sign me up.

    So let's ask it this way: who would you trade for with each pick (realistic)?

    1-

    4-

    33-

    35-

    63-

    65-

  • We really shouldn't be too concerned about large contracts. We have tons of cap and a young team

  • Maybe I am wrong, it has happened once in my lifetime  (LOL JUST KIDDING), but I just don't understand people's fascination with draft picks.

    A lot of times people say I would rather have this pick vs this player so we can draft so and so. It all boils down to me to known production vs unknown.

    A lot of people when talking about draft picks say I would rather have this pick vs good NFL player.

    Since Landry has been the most talked about in this thread, let's use him. Is there ANY player in 2nd or 3rd round that you really think can give you that production? Yes money comes into as well, but I see production already shown in the league vs a 50% chance of a different prospect.

    Now sometimes the chance at the prospect is better than production, as I wouldn't think about anything close to 2 1sts and 2 2nds for Foles, but I certainly would do these (as compared to the draft choice there)

    1- Carson Wentz over Darnold, Rosen, Mayfield, Allen

    4- Patrick Peterson over Minkah or Gurley over Barkley

    And so on and so forth.

    But like I said, I could be wrong or could just be my style. I just think proven beats unproven EVERY time. 

    I dont know the injury prognosis for the 4 guys in the original message, or contract info, but with their talent, I would certainly trade 2s, 3s, and 4s for those guys

    @gunz41 said:

    Maybe I am wrong, it has happened once in my lifetime  (LOL JUST KIDDING), but I just don't understand people's fascination with draft picks.

    A lot of times people say I would rather have this pick vs this player so we can draft so and so. It all boils down to me to known production vs unknown.

    A lot of people when talking about draft picks say I would rather have this pick vs good NFL player.

    Since Landry has been the most talked about in this thread, let's use him. Is there ANY player in 2nd or 3rd round that you really think can give you that production? Yes money comes into as well, but I see production already shown in the league vs a 50% chance of a different prospect.

    Now sometimes the chance at the prospect is better than production, as I wouldn't think about anything close to 2 1sts and 2 2nds for Foles, but I certainly would do these (as compared to the draft choice there)

    1- Carson Wentz over Darnold, Rosen, Mayfield, Allen

    4- Patrick Peterson over Minkah or Gurley over Barkley

    And so on and so forth.

    But like I said, I could be wrong or could just be my style. I just think proven beats unproven EVERY time. 

    I dont know the injury prognosis for the 4 guys in the original message, or contract info, but with their talent, I would certainly trade 2s, 3s, and 4s for those guys

    Great post. 

  • @jcam222 said:

    Landry I read is projected to fetch a 3rd rounder. If that's true I'd surely pay it. 

    So would I....Hey, we can dream, can't we??  😁

    Mike

    @canton-mike said:

    So would I....Hey, we can dream, can't we??  😁

    Mike

    As I'm sure you already know, it's more than just the cost of the 3rd rounder. We'd have to agree to terms on a contract with Landry before a trade could be executed, so it's a 3rd round pick AND millions of dollars per year. And we already know free agents get over paid, ESPECIALLY if they have to go to Cleveland. I could be mistaken, but I BELIEVE Landry would have the right to negate the trade. Again...I'll double check that because I'm not sure. But, we have picks and we need money. I'm not totally in love with any of the WRs in the draft, and normally rookie WRs take a while to learn anyway. All this means we have to seriously consider making this trade for Landry. I've been saying for a while that I want Landry AND Pryor, and that could take the possibly the worst WR group at the start of the 2017 season, to one of the BEST in 2018. Let THAT resonate for a minute. Think I'm exaggerating? Josh Gordon, Jarvis Landry, Terrell Pryor, Corey Coleman is not something to scoff at, and then you throw in other positions like Duke Johnson, David Njoku, and Seth Devalve. Sold yet? 

  • @canton-mike said:

    So would I....Hey, we can dream, can't we??  😁

    Mike

    As I'm sure you already know, it's more than just the cost of the 3rd rounder. We'd have to agree to terms on a contract with Landry before a trade could be executed, so it's a 3rd round pick AND millions of dollars per year. And we already know free agents get over paid, ESPECIALLY if they have to go to Cleveland. I could be mistaken, but I BELIEVE Landry would have the right to negate the trade. Again...I'll double check that because I'm not sure. But, we have picks and we need money. I'm not totally in love with any of the WRs in the draft, and normally rookie WRs take a while to learn anyway. All this means we have to seriously consider making this trade for Landry. I've been saying for a while that I want Landry AND Pryor, and that could take the possibly the worst WR group at the start of the 2017 season, to one of the BEST in 2018. Let THAT resonate for a minute. Think I'm exaggerating? Josh Gordon, Jarvis Landry, Terrell Pryor, Corey Coleman is not something to scoff at, and then you throw in other positions like Duke Johnson, David Njoku, and Seth Devalve. Sold yet? 

    @jiggins7919 said:

    As I'm sure you already know, it's more than just the cost of the 3rd rounder. We'd have to agree to terms on a contract with Landry before a trade could be executed, so it's a 3rd round pick AND millions of dollars per year. And we already know free agents get over paid, ESPECIALLY if they have to go to Cleveland. I could be mistaken, but I BELIEVE Landry would have the right to negate the trade. Again...I'll double check that because I'm not sure. But, we have picks and we need money. I'm not totally in love with any of the WRs in the draft, and normally rookie WRs take a while to learn anyway. All this means we have to seriously consider making this trade for Landry. I've been saying for a while that I want Landry AND Pryor, and that could take the possibly the worst WR group at the start of the 2017 season, to one of the BEST in 2018. Let THAT resonate for a minute. Think I'm exaggerating? Josh Gordon, Jarvis Landry, Terrell Pryor, Corey Coleman is not something to scoff at, and then you throw in other positions like Duke Johnson, David Njoku, and Seth Devalve. Sold yet? 

    No, I'm not yet sold. Here's why:

    1) Gordon...We cannot count on his presence OR solid, every down effort. We can only hope.

    2) Coleman...Has proven NOTHING positive. I (flat out) do NOT like this kid.

    3) Landry...IS proven & would be a solid addition.

    4) Pryor...We'll see

    5) Duke...Needs to be utilized more often IF he improves ball security.

    6) Njoku & DeValve...Njoku needs to cut down drops & both need to improve blocking.

    IMHO, we'll address QB & DB, but WR remains our weak link. I trust Dorsey & staff plus Haley & Hue to address this. A BIG "We'll see".

    Mike 

  • Landry was franchise tagged.

    @texasag1969 said:

    Landry was franchise tagged.

    It was reported on the NFL Channel that he will be granted permission to seek a trade. Here's the catch (or drop), he will cost any interested NFL franchise at least 2 first round picks plus a gigantic salary.   Sounds like an interesting way to say good night...

  • @texasag1969 said:

    Landry was franchise tagged.

    It was reported on the NFL Channel that he will be granted permission to seek a trade. Here's the catch (or drop), he will cost any interested NFL franchise at least 2 first round picks plus a gigantic salary.   Sounds like an interesting way to say good night...

    @flugel said:

    It was reported on the NFL Channel that he will be granted permission to seek a trade. Here's the catch (or drop), he will cost any interested NFL franchise at least 2 first round picks plus a gigantic salary.   Sounds like an interesting way to say good night...

    Sounds like a baited hook was thrown out for us and Buffalo.

    EDIT: I'd take Ridley @ 4 before giving that much away for Landry. Keep #1.

  • @texasag1969 said:

    Landry was franchise tagged.

    It was reported on the NFL Channel that he will be granted permission to seek a trade. Here's the catch (or drop), he will cost any interested NFL franchise at least 2 first round picks plus a gigantic salary.   Sounds like an interesting way to say good night...

    @flugel said:

    It was reported on the NFL Channel that he will be granted permission to seek a trade. Here's the catch (or drop), he will cost any interested NFL franchise at least 2 first round picks plus a gigantic salary.   Sounds like an interesting way to say good night...

    Well, I'm glad I just double-checked this - I stand corrected!   I have a feeling this story is going to change more frequently Kim Kardashian; but the news seems to be a little better than what I heard this morning. Here's something I found online.

    Landry has been given permission to seek and facilitate a trade from the Dolphins, Ian Rapoport of NFL Network reports.

    After failing to agree to a long-term extension, the Dolphins placed a $16.2 million franchise tag on Landry last week -- but that doesn't guarantee the wideout will call Miami home come Week 1. It was initially believed that any trade for Landry would have to involve two first-round draft picks, but it has been reported that the asking price has lowered for the Dolphins. Landry is coming off an NFL-leading 112-catch season, to go along with 987 receiving yards and nine touchdowns in 16 games.

  • Signing veterans is very important but you have to get these guys/re-sign them at the right time in their careers, which hasn't always been easy here.  For those that thought Joe Haden wasn't the same after we gave him his dream contract extension - this happens in other places as well to guys that looked deserving of the re-commitment at the time.  For example here's a cut and paste of an article I found on the Web about a guy that used to be a badass.

    NY Jets release DE Muhammad Wilkerson, who disappointed after signing a big contract

    Andy Vasquez, Staff Writer, Associated Press

    INDIANAPOLIS -- The Jets' intentions have been clear for months. But on Wednesday, they finally acted on them.

    The Jets released defensive end Muhammad Wilkerson, ending months of speculation and closing the final chapter of his career with the team in disappointment.

    Jets general manager Mike Maccagnan and coach Todd Bowles, speaking at the NFL Combine on Wednesday, called it a "business decision." And this was a sensible move. Wilkerson was set to count $20 million against the Jets' salary cap — far more than the struggling, former Pro Bowl defensive end was worth. By cutting him now, the Jets save $11 million in cap space.

    Wilkerson, a Linden native, was a Jets' first-round pick in 2011 and became a Pro Bowler and the team's best pass rusher. The feel-good story continued when he signed a five-year, $86 million deal in the summer of 2016.

    But Wilkerson underperformed on the field after signing that contract and was a disappointment and distraction off of it — getting benched repeatedly for chronic tardiness. The Jets were quick to limit the damage and move on. 

    They'll have to carry $9 million in dead money this season on Wilkerson's contract.

    "[It] was a business decision," Bowles said. "It wasn't disciplinary at all. ... I'm disappointed for the team, I'm disappointed for him. Obviously, it didn't work out."

  • Maybe I am wrong, it has happened once in my lifetime  (LOL JUST KIDDING), but I just don't understand people's fascination with draft picks.

    A lot of times people say I would rather have this pick vs this player so we can draft so and so. It all boils down to me to known production vs unknown.

    A lot of people when talking about draft picks say I would rather have this pick vs good NFL player.

    Since Landry has been the most talked about in this thread, let's use him. Is there ANY player in 2nd or 3rd round that you really think can give you that production? Yes money comes into as well, but I see production already shown in the league vs a 50% chance of a different prospect.

    Now sometimes the chance at the prospect is better than production, as I wouldn't think about anything close to 2 1sts and 2 2nds for Foles, but I certainly would do these (as compared to the draft choice there)

    1- Carson Wentz over Darnold, Rosen, Mayfield, Allen

    4- Patrick Peterson over Minkah or Gurley over Barkley

    And so on and so forth.

    But like I said, I could be wrong or could just be my style. I just think proven beats unproven EVERY time. 

    I dont know the injury prognosis for the 4 guys in the original message, or contract info, but with their talent, I would certainly trade 2s, 3s, and 4s for those guys

    @gunz41 said:

    Maybe I am wrong, it has happened once in my lifetime  (LOL JUST KIDDING), but I just don't understand people's fascination with draft picks.

    A lot of times people say I would rather have this pick vs this player so we can draft so and so. It all boils down to me to known production vs unknown.

    A lot of people when talking about draft picks say I would rather have this pick vs good NFL player.

    Since Landry has been the most talked about in this thread, let's use him. Is there ANY player in 2nd or 3rd round that you really think can give you that production? Yes money comes into as well, but I see production already shown in the league vs a 50% chance of a different prospect.

    Now sometimes the chance at the prospect is better than production, as I wouldn't think about anything close to 2 1sts and 2 2nds for Foles, but I certainly would do these (as compared to the draft choice there)

    1- Carson Wentz over Darnold, Rosen, Mayfield, Allen

    4- Patrick Peterson over Minkah or Gurley over Barkley

    And so on and so forth.

    But like I said, I could be wrong or could just be my style. I just think proven beats unproven EVERY time. 

    I dont know the injury prognosis for the 4 guys in the original message, or contract info, but with their talent, I would certainly trade 2s, 3s, and 4s for those guys

    You sound like a George Allen disciple.   For nearly a decade the Washington Redskins did not use a first round draft pick because they always traded them for a more proven veteran.  That approach had fair results.  The Skins of that time did make one SB....but lost.   But they were in contention most of the time for the playoffs.

    The Browns of late have been the antithesis of that.  Instead of the Over the Hill Gang.....they are The Not Ready for Prime Time Players due to how young this team has been.

  • Signing veterans is very important but you have to get these guys/re-sign them at the right time in their careers, which hasn't always been easy here.  For those that thought Joe Haden wasn't the same after we gave him his dream contract extension - this happens in other places as well to guys that looked deserving of the re-commitment at the time.  For example here's a cut and paste of an article I found on the Web about a guy that used to be a badass.

    NY Jets release DE Muhammad Wilkerson, who disappointed after signing a big contract

    Andy Vasquez, Staff Writer, Associated Press

    INDIANAPOLIS -- The Jets' intentions have been clear for months. But on Wednesday, they finally acted on them.

    The Jets released defensive end Muhammad Wilkerson, ending months of speculation and closing the final chapter of his career with the team in disappointment.

    Jets general manager Mike Maccagnan and coach Todd Bowles, speaking at the NFL Combine on Wednesday, called it a "business decision." And this was a sensible move. Wilkerson was set to count $20 million against the Jets' salary cap — far more than the struggling, former Pro Bowl defensive end was worth. By cutting him now, the Jets save $11 million in cap space.

    Wilkerson, a Linden native, was a Jets' first-round pick in 2011 and became a Pro Bowler and the team's best pass rusher. The feel-good story continued when he signed a five-year, $86 million deal in the summer of 2016.

    But Wilkerson underperformed on the field after signing that contract and was a disappointment and distraction off of it — getting benched repeatedly for chronic tardiness. The Jets were quick to limit the damage and move on. 

    They'll have to carry $9 million in dead money this season on Wilkerson's contract.

    "[It] was a business decision," Bowles said. "It wasn't disciplinary at all. ... I'm disappointed for the team, I'm disappointed for him. Obviously, it didn't work out."

    @flugel said:

    Signing veterans is very important but you have to get these guys/re-sign them at the right time in their careers, which hasn't always been easy here.  For those that thought Joe Haden wasn't the same after we gave him his dream contract extension - this happens in other places as well to guys that looked deserving of the re-commitment at the time.  For example here's a cut and paste of an article I found on the Web about a guy that used to be a badass.

    NY Jets release DE Muhammad Wilkerson, who disappointed after signing a big contract

    Andy Vasquez, Staff Writer, Associated Press

    INDIANAPOLIS -- The Jets' intentions have been clear for months. But on Wednesday, they finally acted on them.

    The Jets released defensive end Muhammad Wilkerson, ending months of speculation and closing the final chapter of his career with the team in disappointment.

    Jets general manager Mike Maccagnan and coach Todd Bowles, speaking at the NFL Combine on Wednesday, called it a "business decision." And this was a sensible move. Wilkerson was set to count $20 million against the Jets' salary cap — far more than the struggling, former Pro Bowl defensive end was worth. By cutting him now, the Jets save $11 million in cap space.

    Wilkerson, a Linden native, was a Jets' first-round pick in 2011 and became a Pro Bowler and the team's best pass rusher. The feel-good story continued when he signed a five-year, $86 million deal in the summer of 2016.

    But Wilkerson underperformed on the field after signing that contract and was a disappointment and distraction off of it — getting benched repeatedly for chronic tardiness. The Jets were quick to limit the damage and move on. 

    They'll have to carry $9 million in dead money this season on Wilkerson's contract.

    "[It] was a business decision," Bowles said. "It wasn't disciplinary at all. ... I'm disappointed for the team, I'm disappointed for him. Obviously, it didn't work out."

    Question.....can a guy that has been released by that be signed BEFORE the start of the Free Agency period?   Like any released player usually can be?

  • @flugel said:

    Signing veterans is very important but you have to get these guys/re-sign them at the right time in their careers, which hasn't always been easy here.  For those that thought Joe Haden wasn't the same after we gave him his dream contract extension - this happens in other places as well to guys that looked deserving of the re-commitment at the time.  For example here's a cut and paste of an article I found on the Web about a guy that used to be a badass.

    NY Jets release DE Muhammad Wilkerson, who disappointed after signing a big contract

    Andy Vasquez, Staff Writer, Associated Press

    INDIANAPOLIS -- The Jets' intentions have been clear for months. But on Wednesday, they finally acted on them.

    The Jets released defensive end Muhammad Wilkerson, ending months of speculation and closing the final chapter of his career with the team in disappointment.

    Jets general manager Mike Maccagnan and coach Todd Bowles, speaking at the NFL Combine on Wednesday, called it a "business decision." And this was a sensible move. Wilkerson was set to count $20 million against the Jets' salary cap — far more than the struggling, former Pro Bowl defensive end was worth. By cutting him now, the Jets save $11 million in cap space.

    Wilkerson, a Linden native, was a Jets' first-round pick in 2011 and became a Pro Bowler and the team's best pass rusher. The feel-good story continued when he signed a five-year, $86 million deal in the summer of 2016.

    But Wilkerson underperformed on the field after signing that contract and was a disappointment and distraction off of it — getting benched repeatedly for chronic tardiness. The Jets were quick to limit the damage and move on. 

    They'll have to carry $9 million in dead money this season on Wilkerson's contract.

    "[It] was a business decision," Bowles said. "It wasn't disciplinary at all. ... I'm disappointed for the team, I'm disappointed for him. Obviously, it didn't work out."

    Question.....can a guy that has been released by that be signed BEFORE the start of the Free Agency period?   Like any released player usually can be?

    @the-gipper said:

    Question.....can a guy that has been released by that be signed BEFORE the start of the Free Agency period?   Like any released player usually can be?

    I think so Gips because we just signed a WR the other day,

  • @gunz41 said:

    Maybe I am wrong, it has happened once in my lifetime  (LOL JUST KIDDING), but I just don't understand people's fascination with draft picks.

    A lot of times people say I would rather have this pick vs this player so we can draft so and so. It all boils down to me to known production vs unknown.

    A lot of people when talking about draft picks say I would rather have this pick vs good NFL player.

    Since Landry has been the most talked about in this thread, let's use him. Is there ANY player in 2nd or 3rd round that you really think can give you that production? Yes money comes into as well, but I see production already shown in the league vs a 50% chance of a different prospect.

    Now sometimes the chance at the prospect is better than production, as I wouldn't think about anything close to 2 1sts and 2 2nds for Foles, but I certainly would do these (as compared to the draft choice there)

    1- Carson Wentz over Darnold, Rosen, Mayfield, Allen

    4- Patrick Peterson over Minkah or Gurley over Barkley

    And so on and so forth.

    But like I said, I could be wrong or could just be my style. I just think proven beats unproven EVERY time. 

    I dont know the injury prognosis for the 4 guys in the original message, or contract info, but with their talent, I would certainly trade 2s, 3s, and 4s for those guys

    You sound like a George Allen disciple.   For nearly a decade the Washington Redskins did not use a first round draft pick because they always traded them for a more proven veteran.  That approach had fair results.  The Skins of that time did make one SB....but lost.   But they were in contention most of the time for the playoffs.

    The Browns of late have been the antithesis of that.  Instead of the Over the Hill Gang.....they are The Not Ready for Prime Time Players due to how young this team has been.

    @the-gipper said:

    You sound like a George Allen disciple.   For nearly a decade the Washington Redskins did not use a first round draft pick because they always traded them for a more proven veteran.  That approach had fair results.  The Skins of that time did make one SB....but lost.   But they were in contention most of the time for the playoffs.

    The Browns of late have been the antithesis of that.  Instead of the Over the Hill Gang.....they are The Not Ready for Prime Time Players due to how young this team has been.

    I never once said I would trade this or that pick. But apparently you are one of these guys who thinks draft picks are more valuable than proven players. I'll tell you what, I know that they would never happen, but I would guarantee if I took the 5 1st 2 rounds and traded them for someone at the same position, it would look better for the team.

    It's the EXACT reason I have went back and forth with Pog about Barkley. He hasn't proven ANYTHING as of now, and Gurley has.

    Would I trade 1 for Wentz, you betcha. For Goff, yep. For Trubisky, nope. For Mahomes, no not even close as haven't seen anything from him. Watson, no.

    Would I trade 4 for Gurley, everyday. Zeke, maybe. Patrick Peterson, uh huh, Von, Mack, Bosa, ding ding we have a winner.

    There is a BIG difference to me in saying trading 1s vs 2s and lower. Just for a round number, say 25% of all those picks work out, yes probably way lower. 10 picks Right? So 2.5 players, where I can take them and get proven production.

    If it were me, I'm sure I would make way more mistakes than good moves, but if Sherman, Thomas, Landry, and Honey Badger were presented for 64, 65, etc in jumping on it