Chiefs may be looking at kizer
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I'm going to say something that we already know (my specialty). So much of an NFL's player's success largely depends on where they go, what system they're thrust into, and what level of surrounding talent they have to work with. I mean, what does Deshone Kizer look like on a team like the Chiefs? How many wins does Kizer have with the Browns if he has guys around him that can run for 1400 yards in a season, consistently catch passes, or God forbid a defense that isn't bottom 3 (or the worst, I forget) in red zone efficiency? Look at just last season, and tell me how many games Kizer really should've won. Njoku dropped that 3rd down pass to would've virtually sealed it. We want our QB's to make clutch plays, and Kizer had a 3rd and 4, game on the line situation...and he makes the perfect play. At first Njoku is ruled making the catch, and then by some miracle, the camera's have the absolute most PERFECT viewing angle ever, and you see the ball barely squirt out. How many of those plays went against us? The ones where you kind of KNEW what happened, but the camera angles weren't available to provide "without a doubt" verification? But don't you know when it's OUR TURN on a play like that, the camera is RIGHT on it.
How about the Indy game? Good lord can our defense actually stop somebody from getting into the end zone and force just ONE DARN FG? No, no they can't...especially early in the season. Obviously Deshone didn't play "great", but did he play well enough to win? I think so. Did our defense force any turnovers? Did our special teams do anything...special? I'm too lazy to look, but I doubt it. How about the Jets' game? Again, Kizer didn't play "well", but did he do enough to win?
My point is, what does Kizer look like on a team that HAS terrific special teams and a solid defense? How does he play when he's not constantly down two or three scores? Does he relax a bit? Does he avoid some of the "WTF was he thinking?" plays? It's obviously impossible for anyone to KNOW how he'd turn out, but I could envision a scenario where Kizer "gets it" and becomes a starting QB. He'd have to be mentally strong, and really work hard to put the pain and anguish of last season behind him. That is NOT easy. Kizer gained a BUNCH of experience last year, and while he was absolutely maddening to watch for long stretches, you still saw glimpses of, "Ahhhhh....that looks nice!". You can't bet the farm on Kizer (duh), but you also can't trade him either. He's the kind of guy that COULD develop. Again, would I bet money on it? No. Would I trade him? NO. We put the work in with the kid, we suffered through all of the bumps, and I'll be danged if we're going to let anyone else potentially reap the benefits for a draft pick. We HAVE draft picks. What we don't have are QB's. The odds are against Kizer, but stranger things have happened.
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I'm going to say something that we already know (my specialty). So much of an NFL's player's success largely depends on where they go, what system they're thrust into, and what level of surrounding talent they have to work with. I mean, what does Deshone Kizer look like on a team like the Chiefs? How many wins does Kizer have with the Browns if he has guys around him that can run for 1400 yards in a season, consistently catch passes, or God forbid a defense that isn't bottom 3 (or the worst, I forget) in red zone efficiency? Look at just last season, and tell me how many games Kizer really should've won. Njoku dropped that 3rd down pass to would've virtually sealed it. We want our QB's to make clutch plays, and Kizer had a 3rd and 4, game on the line situation...and he makes the perfect play. At first Njoku is ruled making the catch, and then by some miracle, the camera's have the absolute most PERFECT viewing angle ever, and you see the ball barely squirt out. How many of those plays went against us? The ones where you kind of KNEW what happened, but the camera angles weren't available to provide "without a doubt" verification? But don't you know when it's OUR TURN on a play like that, the camera is RIGHT on it.
How about the Indy game? Good lord can our defense actually stop somebody from getting into the end zone and force just ONE DARN FG? No, no they can't...especially early in the season. Obviously Deshone didn't play "great", but did he play well enough to win? I think so. Did our defense force any turnovers? Did our special teams do anything...special? I'm too lazy to look, but I doubt it. How about the Jets' game? Again, Kizer didn't play "well", but did he do enough to win?
My point is, what does Kizer look like on a team that HAS terrific special teams and a solid defense? How does he play when he's not constantly down two or three scores? Does he relax a bit? Does he avoid some of the "WTF was he thinking?" plays? It's obviously impossible for anyone to KNOW how he'd turn out, but I could envision a scenario where Kizer "gets it" and becomes a starting QB. He'd have to be mentally strong, and really work hard to put the pain and anguish of last season behind him. That is NOT easy. Kizer gained a BUNCH of experience last year, and while he was absolutely maddening to watch for long stretches, you still saw glimpses of, "Ahhhhh....that looks nice!". You can't bet the farm on Kizer (duh), but you also can't trade him either. He's the kind of guy that COULD develop. Again, would I bet money on it? No. Would I trade him? NO. We put the work in with the kid, we suffered through all of the bumps, and I'll be danged if we're going to let anyone else potentially reap the benefits for a draft pick. We HAVE draft picks. What we don't have are QB's. The odds are against Kizer, but stranger things have happened.
.......My point is, what does Kizer look like on a team that HAS terrific special teams and a solid defense? How does he play when he's not constantly down two or three scores? Does he relax a bit? Does he avoid some of the "WTF was he thinking?" plays? It's obviously impossible for anyone to KNOW how he'd turn out, but I could envision a scenario where Kizer "gets it" and becomes a starting QB. He'd have to be mentally strong, and really work hard to put the pain and anguish of last season behind him. That is NOT easy. Kizer gained a BUNCH of experience last year, and while he was absolutely maddening to watch for long stretches, you still saw glimpses of, "Ahhhhh....that looks nice!". You can't bet the farm on Kizer (duh), but you also can't trade him either. He's the kind of guy that COULD develop. Again, would I bet money on it? No. Would I trade him? NO. We put the work in with the kid, we suffered through all of the bumps, and I'll be danged if we're going to let anyone else potentially reap the benefits for a draft pick. We HAVE draft picks. What we don't have are QB's. The odds are against Kizer, but stranger things have happened.
Yes and getting a lot of bad starting field position, an erratic FG team, strange play calling at times and a whole lot of other variables.
Just scrapping Kizer is the wrong move right now. Maybe the worst thing of all is the BROWNS developing that can't win in this decade reputation around the league, not great for recruiting good FAs to come here.
.....edit add, a good draft would really help things!
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I'm still not done with Kizer. Seems like a good kid with potential. And he doesn't cost much so far. I understand not wanting to be buried behind a veteran and a number one pick however. That deal could be good for him and the Browns depending on what we are able to get for him. Starting receiver or defensive back with plenty of gas left in the tank?
WSS
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I'm still not done with Kizer. Seems like a good kid with potential. And he doesn't cost much so far. I understand not wanting to be buried behind a veteran and a number one pick however. That deal could be good for him and the Browns depending on what we are able to get for him. Starting receiver or defensive back with plenty of gas left in the tank?
WSS
I'm still not done with Kizer. Seems like a good kid with potential. And he doesn't cost much so far. I understand not wanting to be buried behind a veteran and a number one pick however. That deal could be good for him and the Browns depending on what we are able to get for him. Starting receiver or defensive back with plenty of gas left in the tank?
WSS
He did not have trouble moving the ball until the redzone and most of that I put on Huey as one of the poorest redzone playcallers ever.
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From a KC point of view....yes, We'd gladly take him for a 5th round draft pick. The original poster is incorrect about Tyler Bray being on our roster...he isn't...he is a FA. Only Mahomes on the roster....
If you believe Mahomes will be a bust you haven't been paying attention.
Back to the issue at hand. We are looking at having to sign a veteran type to back up....Chase Daniel will be strongly considered...but if offered, why wouldn't we in KC want this....as mention before, Kizer is CHEEP. and he comes with NFL starting experience....he wasn't that good, but again, not many recieving options on a bad team...he isn't just a nobody..he went in round 2 for a reason..and he is absolutely worth way more to us than some lottery ticket rookie non experience QB we might draft in round 5. It would be totally worthwhile from a KC point of view to do this....it also seems very "brownsy" of the Browns to want to do this.
Mahomes will be a bust. KC always picks the wrong QB. Len Dawson was drafted by Pittsburgh.
They have success when they take in reject or old SF 49er QBs.
KC QB drafts
Brody Croyle
Steve Deberg
Mike Livingston
Steve Fuller
Kevin Hogan
Arron Murray
Pat Barnes
Ricky Stanzi
Todd Blackledge. HAHA Passed on Marino and Jim Kelly.
Mahomes will be a bust. KC always picks the wrong QB. Len Dawson was drafted by Pittsburgh.
And the Browns also later cut him when they had him, before he went off to KC to become an HOF QB
They have success when they take in reject or old SF 49er QBs.
KC QB drafts
Brody Croyle
Steve Deberg
Mike Livingston
Steve Fuller
Kevin Hogan
Arron Murray
Pat Barnes
Ricky Stanzi
Todd Blackledge. HAHA Passed on Marino and Jim Kelly.
Yes...you could say that in their history that the Chiefs have never drafted a quality QB.
except....that actually is not true: In 1964 before the Common draft, in the AFL draft the Chiefs, with the 122d pick of the 16th round of that draft chose Roger Staubach. But of course he still had his military time to serve...and when he came out he decided to eschew the Chiefs...who at that time had Dawson in the fold, in favor of the Cowboys who had drafted him in the NFL draft.
Beyond Staubach....the best likely were Livingston or Fuller....a couple of ham and eggers.
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I'm going to say something that we already know (my specialty). So much of an NFL's player's success largely depends on where they go, what system they're thrust into, and what level of surrounding talent they have to work with. I mean, what does Deshone Kizer look like on a team like the Chiefs? How many wins does Kizer have with the Browns if he has guys around him that can run for 1400 yards in a season, consistently catch passes, or God forbid a defense that isn't bottom 3 (or the worst, I forget) in red zone efficiency? Look at just last season, and tell me how many games Kizer really should've won. Njoku dropped that 3rd down pass to would've virtually sealed it. We want our QB's to make clutch plays, and Kizer had a 3rd and 4, game on the line situation...and he makes the perfect play. At first Njoku is ruled making the catch, and then by some miracle, the camera's have the absolute most PERFECT viewing angle ever, and you see the ball barely squirt out. How many of those plays went against us? The ones where you kind of KNEW what happened, but the camera angles weren't available to provide "without a doubt" verification? But don't you know when it's OUR TURN on a play like that, the camera is RIGHT on it.
How about the Indy game? Good lord can our defense actually stop somebody from getting into the end zone and force just ONE DARN FG? No, no they can't...especially early in the season. Obviously Deshone didn't play "great", but did he play well enough to win? I think so. Did our defense force any turnovers? Did our special teams do anything...special? I'm too lazy to look, but I doubt it. How about the Jets' game? Again, Kizer didn't play "well", but did he do enough to win?
My point is, what does Kizer look like on a team that HAS terrific special teams and a solid defense? How does he play when he's not constantly down two or three scores? Does he relax a bit? Does he avoid some of the "WTF was he thinking?" plays? It's obviously impossible for anyone to KNOW how he'd turn out, but I could envision a scenario where Kizer "gets it" and becomes a starting QB. He'd have to be mentally strong, and really work hard to put the pain and anguish of last season behind him. That is NOT easy. Kizer gained a BUNCH of experience last year, and while he was absolutely maddening to watch for long stretches, you still saw glimpses of, "Ahhhhh....that looks nice!". You can't bet the farm on Kizer (duh), but you also can't trade him either. He's the kind of guy that COULD develop. Again, would I bet money on it? No. Would I trade him? NO. We put the work in with the kid, we suffered through all of the bumps, and I'll be danged if we're going to let anyone else potentially reap the benefits for a draft pick. We HAVE draft picks. What we don't have are QB's. The odds are against Kizer, but stranger things have happened.
I mean, what does Deshone Kizer look like on a team like the Chiefs? How many wins does Kizer have with the Browns if he has guys around him that can run for 1400 yards in a season,
Evidently not too many since the QB 1 guys are telling me that taking Barkley 1st would be a bad move.
Ya know, Emmit Smith was the last big time RB to make a difference. QBs dont need RBs.
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I’d be very surprised if Mahomes was a bust
I’d be very surprised if Mahomes was a bust
Why? When in reality about 50% of even first round QBs turn out to be busts essentially. Nothing surprising about a 50% probability happening.
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Would be good for Kizer but bad for the Browns. Not all the losses were on Kizer last season and he played well enough to remain the starter this coming season. His main issue is trying to do too much, which led to him making dumb decisions. I can't fault him for that since the Browns usually abandon the run game in the second half. He is very young and has shown good work ethic so far, I think he will be drastically improved this coming season and would like to see him start over throwing another rookie QB in before the rookie is ready and repeating the cycle of futility. I would love to see what Haley can do with Kizer and I'm not willing to waste Kizer's potential for a 5th round pick.
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Makes very littl sense to me. Seems as though he's on a low rookie contract and may make a second year jump. They must really be convinced he has no upside. I think we must be hoping to take a QB in the 1st round then acquire a pick via trading Kizer to bundle moving to grab Mike White somewhere in round 3 or 4.
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Makes very littl sense to me. Seems as though he's on a low rookie contract and may make a second year jump. They must really be convinced he has no upside. I think we must be hoping to take a QB in the 1st round then acquire a pick via trading Kizer to bundle moving to grab Mike White somewhere in round 3 or 4.
Makes very littl sense to me. Seems as though he's on a low rookie contract and may make a second year jump. If the Browns are really contemplating a trade They must really be convinced he has no upside. I think we must be hoping to take a QB in the 1st round then acquire a pick via trading Kizer to bundle moving to grab Mike White somewhere in round 3 or 4.
Bold is FIFY. I just don't see that happening, more silly season speculation with no hard basis in fact.
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Kizer is Sheet. Get rid of him for anything we can get.
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From a KC point of view....yes, We'd gladly take him for a 5th round draft pick. The original poster is incorrect about Tyler Bray being on our roster...he isn't...he is a FA. Only Mahomes on the roster....
If you believe Mahomes will be a bust you haven't been paying attention.
Back to the issue at hand. We are looking at having to sign a veteran type to back up....Chase Daniel will be strongly considered...but if offered, why wouldn't we in KC want this....as mention before, Kizer is CHEEP. and he comes with NFL starting experience....he wasn't that good, but again, not many recieving options on a bad team...he isn't just a nobody..he went in round 2 for a reason..and he is absolutely worth way more to us than some lottery ticket rookie non experience QB we might draft in round 5. It would be totally worthwhile from a KC point of view to do this....it also seems very "brownsy" of the Browns to want to do this.
Mahomes will be a bust. KC always picks the wrong QB. Len Dawson was drafted by Pittsburgh.
They have success when they take in reject or old SF 49er QBs.
KC QB drafts
Brody Croyle
Steve Deberg
Mike Livingston
Steve Fuller
Kevin Hogan
Arron Murray
Pat Barnes
Ricky Stanzi
Todd Blackledge. HAHA Passed on Marino and Jim Kelly.
Mahomes will be a bust. KC always picks the wrong QB. Len Dawson was drafted by Pittsburgh.
They have success when they take in reject or old SF 49er QBs.
KC QB drafts
Brody Croyle
Steve Deberg
Mike Livingston
Steve Fuller
Kevin Hogan
Arron Murray
Pat Barnes
Ricky Stanzi
Todd Blackledge. HAHA Passed on Marino and Jim Kelly.
??? The Browns won't ever win a Super Bowl because they never have....Same logic. ......If you think Mahomes will bust, you haven't been paying attention. .....that's ok though....by about week 4 this year, you will have figured it out.
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Mahomes will be a bust. KC always picks the wrong QB. Len Dawson was drafted by Pittsburgh.
They have success when they take in reject or old SF 49er QBs.
KC QB drafts
Brody Croyle
Steve Deberg
Mike Livingston
Steve Fuller
Kevin Hogan
Arron Murray
Pat Barnes
Ricky Stanzi
Todd Blackledge. HAHA Passed on Marino and Jim Kelly.
??? The Browns won't ever win a Super Bowl because they never have....Same logic. ......If you think Mahomes will bust, you haven't been paying attention. .....that's ok though....by about week 4 this year, you will have figured it out.
??? The Browns won't ever win a Super Bowl because they never have....Same logic. ......If you think Mahomes will bust, you haven't been paying attention. .....that's ok though....by about week 4 this year, you will have figured it out.
Paying attention to what about Mahomes? He was a rookie who barely played last season.
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They traded Alex Smith because they think he will be a bust. There aren't multiple reports from inside and outside the team expressing the opinion that he's about to be a star....and there aren't videos like this explaining why
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Mahomes will be a bust. KC always picks the wrong QB. Len Dawson was drafted by Pittsburgh.
They have success when they take in reject or old SF 49er QBs.
KC QB drafts
Brody Croyle
Steve Deberg
Mike Livingston
Steve Fuller
Kevin Hogan
Arron Murray
Pat Barnes
Ricky Stanzi
Todd Blackledge. HAHA Passed on Marino and Jim Kelly.
??? The Browns won't ever win a Super Bowl because they never have....Same logic. ......If you think Mahomes will bust, you haven't been paying attention. .....that's ok though....by about week 4 this year, you will have figured it out.
??? The Browns won't ever win a Super Bowl because they never have....Same logic. ......If you think Mahomes will bust, you haven't been paying attention. .....that's ok though....by about week 4 this year, you will have figured it out.
HAHA
I live in KC. Mahomes has looked like a stud holding a dixie cup of Gatorade. Bust, just watch.
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??? The Browns won't ever win a Super Bowl because they never have....Same logic. ......If you think Mahomes will bust, you haven't been paying attention. .....that's ok though....by about week 4 this year, you will have figured it out.
HAHA
I live in KC. Mahomes has looked like a stud holding a dixie cup of Gatorade. Bust, just watch.
HAHA
I live in KC. Mahomes has looked like a stud holding a dixie cup of Gatorade. Bust, just watch.
This has aged well
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HAHA
I live in KC. Mahomes has looked like a stud holding a dixie cup of Gatorade. Bust, just watch.
This has aged well
This has aged well
Nice to see you back, don't gloat too hard.
Pat- good for you guys, I don't think anyone saw this coming. Certainly not at this level. You have a stud team. Super bowl level quality. We'll see how the suddenly porous Browns D stacks up against that firepower Sunday.
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I’d be very surprised if Mahomes was a bust
I’d be very surprised if Mahomes was a bust
GM in waiting right here ?
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I’d be very surprised if Mahomes was a bust
GM in waiting right here ?
GM in waiting right here ?
Way too thin skinned for the position
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