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I am not bickering at all. Just trying to put it in context with what you said...and trying to bring in a potential comparative story...except with a female.
It's different enough to make the bickering nonsense.
First of all Lolita was actually 12 then 14 when she was banged.
Second the critics and public threw a fit.
3rd for the film version came out Stanley Kubrick couldn't do hardly anything he wanted due to the Stranglehold of the censors.
4th the book is French and in France they only recently started to ponder whether should be any age limit for sex. And the number they bandied about was 13.
Fifth if you are completely unaware of The Firestorm created by a 24 year old lawyer dating an 18 year old girl...
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It's different enough to make the bickering nonsense.
First of all Lolita was actually 12 then 14 when she was banged.
Second the critics and public threw a fit.
3rd for the film version came out Stanley Kubrick couldn't do hardly anything he wanted due to the Stranglehold of the censors.
4th the book is French and in France they only recently started to ponder whether should be any age limit for sex. And the number they bandied about was 13.
Fifth if you are completely unaware of The Firestorm created by a 24 year old lawyer dating an 18 year old girl...
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You are just bickering with yourself over this.
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Once again the Oscars denies that nod to Tom Hanks. Must have some kind of hatred for him? Really very much showing favorites.
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Once again the Oscars denies that nod to Tom Hanks. Must have some kind of hatred for him? Really very much showing favorites.
Once again the Oscars denies that nod to Tom Hanks. Must have some kind of hatred for him? Really very much showing favorites.
JP not sure who you are referring to but in my opinion you can't nominate Tom Hanks for everything he does. I think he's very good in some things okay in others, but you have to admit most of his characters are the same, and I really didn't think he did anything amazing in the post.
Giving a nomination to the kid from get out was an absolute PC disgrace. And NOT giving one to James Franco was terrible
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Yeah as it is the same if you stop and think about it. And really a kid was indeed that! In the absolute PC disgrace.
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I'm just glad 'get out' didn't win a bunch of awards
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I'm just glad 'get out' didn't win a bunch of awards
I'm just glad 'get out' didn't win a bunch of awards
No kidding. That was a B movie at best.
The race card they played was unnecessary and the only reason it got any attention. And nominating that kid for best actor was a joke.
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Racist!
Rotten tomatoes has judged black panther the finest film in the history of cinema so that ought to tell you basically where we are. Any movie that's centered around black people is going to be graded on a curve. They actually put black panther as #1 and get out as #5 therefore invalidating the ability to take Rotten Tomatoes seriously for the rest of time.
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Racist!
Rotten tomatoes has judged black panther the finest film in the history of cinema so that ought to tell you basically where we are. Any movie that's centered around black people is going to be graded on a curve. They actually put black panther as #1 and get out as #5 therefore invalidating the ability to take Rotten Tomatoes seriously for the rest of time.
Racist!
Rotten tomatoes has judged black panther the finest film in the history of cinema so that ought to tell you basically where we are. Any movie that's centered around black people is going to be graded on a curve. They actually put black panther as #1 and get out as #5 therefore invalidating the ability to take Rotten Tomatoes seriously for the rest of time.
Of course I think Rotten Tomatoes rating system is only the morons that go see the movies. Maybe critics are involved but I'm not sure. I don't know if you saw a black panther but it was ridiculous. The problem is they had cameras up at the Valley View Cinemark interviewing African Americans coming out who were thrilled that finally the truth was being told.
Don't misunderstand me, it wasn't any worse than most of the superhero movies but it did have it's racial agenda to preach. Had that country bin in Eastern Europe and the natives are blonde folks would have rightly thought of it as a joke.
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Racist!
Rotten tomatoes has judged black panther the finest film in the history of cinema so that ought to tell you basically where we are. Any movie that's centered around black people is going to be graded on a curve. They actually put black panther as #1 and get out as #5 therefore invalidating the ability to take Rotten Tomatoes seriously for the rest of time.
Of course I think Rotten Tomatoes rating system is only the morons that go see the movies. Maybe critics are involved but I'm not sure. I don't know if you saw a black panther but it was ridiculous. The problem is they had cameras up at the Valley View Cinemark interviewing African Americans coming out who were thrilled that finally the truth was being told.
Don't misunderstand me, it wasn't any worse than most of the superhero movies but it did have it's racial agenda to preach. Had that country bin in Eastern Europe and the natives are blonde folks would have rightly thought of it as a joke.
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Of course I think Rotten Tomatoes rating system is only the morons that go see the movies. Maybe critics are involved but I'm not sure. I don't know if you saw a black panther but it was ridiculous. The problem is they had cameras up at the Valley View Cinemark interviewing African Americans coming out who were thrilled that finally the truth was being told.
Don't misunderstand me, it wasn't any worse than most of the superhero movies but it did have it's racial agenda to preach. Had that country bin in Eastern Europe and the natives are blonde folks would have rightly thought of it as a joke.
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I've got a friend I went to school with who is all black panther all the time right now. I had to snooze him on Facebook because it's so obnoxious.
Of course I think Rotten Tomatoes rating system is only the morons that go see the movies. Maybe critics are involved but I'm not sure. I don't know if you saw a black panther but it was ridiculous. The problem is they had cameras up at the Valley View Cinemark interviewing African Americans coming out who were thrilled that finally the truth was being told.
Don't misunderstand me, it wasn't any worse than most of the superhero movies but it did have it's racial agenda to preach. Had that country bin in Eastern Europe and the natives are blonde folks would have rightly thought of it as a joke.
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It's all critics. There is a fan rating but only the critical ratings count toward it's final score.
The real skinny of course is that it's only graded as highly as it is because no one wants to be the guy who says the black people movie was pretty ordinary and not spectacular.
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I agree that it seems that some people are imputing a racial agenda to the movie that was not really there.
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I agree that it seems that some people are imputing a racial agenda to the movie that was not really there.
I agree that it seems that some people are imputing a racial agenda to the movie that was not really there.
I think you are purposely being obtuse. No idea why that might be.
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I agree that it seems that some people are imputing a racial agenda to the movie that was not really there.
I think you are purposely being obtuse. No idea why that might be.
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I think you are purposely being obtuse. No idea why that might be.
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What the Fuyuck are you talking about? I am certainly NOT obtuse to the fact that were some racial overtones to this movie....nor to the fact that some people...both black and white... want to overemphasize those racial overtones....because of their own point of view on race. They want to ignore the fact that 95% of this movie was just your basic Superhero origin story meant for entertainment. I was mildly entertained by it. While noticing the racial element, I did NOT think it overwhelmed the story or plot. -
95% of Brokeback Mountain was just about two Cowboys trapped somewhere in the winter.
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Tbh, who here today gives two shi.ts about the Oscars? It's not even about the best movies anymore, and it hasn't been in a long while. All it is is just a televised show about actor/actresses sucking each other off about how great they supposedly are and picking winning films based on whatever SJW flavor of the day issue that's currently going on.
"That which can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence”. - Christopher Hitchens "The universe is under no obligation to make sense to you". - Neil deGrasse Tyson -
Tbh, who here today gives two shi.ts about the Oscars? It's not even about the best movies anymore, and it hasn't been in a long while. All it is is just a televised show about actor/actresses sucking each other off about how great they supposedly are and picking winning films based on whatever SJW flavor of the day issue that's currently going on.
Tbh, who here today gives two shi.ts about the Oscars? It's not even about the best movies anymore, and it hasn't been in a long while. All it is is just a televised show about actor/actresses sucking each other off about how great they supposedly are and picking winning films based on whatever SJW flavor of the day issue that's currently going on.
No, to me it is all about the movies, and the performances and which are the best.
The last two evenings I have sat down and watched first, on Monday, The Darkest Hour, to see Gary Oldman's performance, and then last night to that of Frances McDormand in Three Billboards outside Ebbing, Missouri. Sam Rockwell...winner of Best Supporting Actor.
I would likely not have done that had they not won those awards.
Now, as far as the show goes....maybe it it just you who is overly concerned about those issues to the point that that is all you see and take from the program. You lose focus on what the show is really about because you are personally consumed by the peripheral stuff. Its like the Black Panther...people so overly concerned about the fact that some minor aspect offends their racial sensibilities that they lose track of the fact that it was a pretty darn good Super Hero story.
By the way...what is SJW?
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Tbh, who here today gives two shi.ts about the Oscars? It's not even about the best movies anymore, and it hasn't been in a long while. All it is is just a televised show about actor/actresses sucking each other off about how great they supposedly are and picking winning films based on whatever SJW flavor of the day issue that's currently going on.
Tbh, who here today gives two shi.ts about the Oscars? It's not even about the best movies anymore, and it hasn't been in a long while. All it is is just a televised show about actor/actresses sucking each other off about how great they supposedly are and picking winning films based on whatever SJW flavor of the day issue that's currently going on.
I think you are correct and it's been getting worse every year but still think back to the old sacheen littlefeather debacle with Marlon Brando.
But, maybe just for myself, I've always thought winning an Academy Award for best actor should be one of the greatest honors in the world. Like pitching a no hitter and the 7th game of the World Series or knocking out the heavyweight champion.
I was a theater major and have been an Entertainer my whole life and oftentimes I will think of huge stars and think to myself oh, hell I could have done that. On the other hand there are really deserving musicians and actors and singers and songwriters Etc of whom I have the utmost respect and freely admit that what they do is in a class by itself.
Unfortunately more and more the Academy Awards are nominating movies that don't even deserve attention let alone to be selected as the best work of an entire year of theatrical Productions. For instance Daniel Kaluva work is barely good enough for an insurance commercial but Gary Oldman and even the snubbed James Franco turned in stunning performances.
In a lot of cases it's just a matter of personal taste. I might not enjoy a film but think that it's extremely well done, case in point Phantom thread. Other times I firmly believe that a second-rate film gets love from the politically active Academy just because they want to prop up one minority or another. Get out was really a mediocre film.
And that's why people are turning off the Oscars because most of the films nominated never sold tickets at the box office and most moviegoers don't care about propping up whatever stupid social issues the academy wants to pimp.
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Gip...
SJW = social justice Warriors.
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I agree that the Oscars seem to NOT be about "Entertainment" per se.
I understand that there are going to be movies about social justice, and there are going to be artsy crafty movies.....but why must some of them be excruciatingly void of entertainment value?
12 Years a Slave....a document on slavery....-0- entertainment value...to me
Phantom Thread...artsy crafty movie....-0- entertainment value...to me.
Dunkirk....reiterates history....but about a 2-3 on a 10 scale of entertainment value.
The Darkest Hour....also a telling of history....but higher on entertainment value because of Oldman's depiction of Churchill.
And, of course, how many movies would never get a sniff at the Oscars....yet could get very high marks on Entertainment value?
Like, say: White Chicks.....funnier than it had a right to be. Probably an 8 on entertainment value. But obviously not a social justice or artsy fartsy affair.
Some really super films combine both: Social Justice, or Artsy Crafty.....combined with top notch entertainment value.
There you got your Godfathers, your Casablancas, Some others.
Some are pure entertainment with little or no social justice stuff, message stuff. The Sting, Star Wars movies, etc.
I know Steve gives grades to movies A to F I suppose.
I think it may be good to also do a 0-10 system based on pure entertainment value.
And...to be honest....there could be some movies where to so called social justice aspect of it could actually detract from an otherwise very entertaining movie. (maybe Black Panther fills that fare)
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