Barkley at #1?
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Ill be here waiting to hear about the long snapper you guys want to draft at #1.
Are you really throwing me into that company Royce? My intentions with this topic aren't to freak people out - just something to talk about. The careful use of rethinking in the heading shows I came from your thought process about the RB position. There's just a couple things I see that are getting me to look at the bigger picture of the player more than the position and what it could mean to recruiting a veteran QB. I'm not going to lose any sleep if we go another route at all.
As for the 1st round RBs in Superbowls - there's a ton of them like Franco Harris with 4, Emmitt Smith with 3, Larry Csonka with 3, Paul Hornung with 1, Jerome Bettis with 2, Tony Dorsett with 1, John Riggins with 1, Reggie Bush with 1, Jamal Lewis with 1, Marcus Allen with 1, Shaun Alexander 1, and there's way more but there's plenty of examples to satisfy both side of that debate so moving on....
They’d better not tell fa recruits what they’re going to do in the draft. If they don’t end up signing, the cat is out of the bag, may well be out of the bag either way. Secondly, since the contract would be signed before the draft starts, they could just say “hey, we will get Barkley if you sign here” and then still make the smart choice of a QB at #1. If Barkley is gone at 4, say “oh well, we tried, you’re under contract, let’s play ball”
Yeah, we'd definitely have to be smart about it as in a close the sale only type of thing or something along the line of your idea.
Are you really throwing me into that company Royce? My intentions with this topic aren't to freak people out - just something to talk about. The careful use of rethinking in the heading shows I came from your thought process about the RB position. There's just a couple things I see that are getting me to look at the bigger picture of the player more than the position and what it could mean to recruiting a veteran QB. I'm not going to lose any sleep if we go another route at all.
As for the 1st round RBs in Superbowls - there's a ton of them like Franco Harris with 4, Emmitt Smith with 3, Larry Csonka with 3, Paul Hornung with 1, Jerome Bettis with 2, Tony Dorsett with 1, John Riggins with 1, Reggie Bush with 1, Jamal Lewis with 1, Marcus Allen with 1, Shaun Alexander 1, and there's way more but there's plenty of examples to satisfy both side of that debate so moving on....
Yeah, we'd definitely have to be smart about it as in a close the sale only type of thing or something along the line of your idea.
You might find this list interesting Tom. Outside of Hornung- none of those guys were drafted #1 overall, like I've been saying all along. You almost have to go back to the leather helmet days (when passing the football was an afterthought) to find more Running backs drafted #1 overall than I can count on my fingers. Some notable RB underachievers on this list too. So- ahem, just because we take Barkley #1 doesn't mean he's bust proof. Watching Tia's clip of Peterson in college was a real eye opener. I want to see highlights of Saquon taking on tacklers and bouncing off of them like AP before I'm totally sold. As I said on the phone, the closest comparison I can make for Barkley is he's a 230 pound Erik Metcalf.
#1 overall picks going back to the guy who never played in the NFL.
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It's fun to listen to all the Steeler's fans beginning to piss their pants at the thought of the Browns getting Barkley! They're literally begging for Cleveland to mess up and take a QB number 1!!! LOVE IT!
It's fun to listen to all the Steeler's fans beginning to piss their pants at the thought of the Browns getting Barkley! They're literally begging for Cleveland to mess up and take a QB number 1!!! LOVE IT!
You're a crazy person. You know that right? Wait, of course you don't.
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It's fun to listen to all the Steeler's fans beginning to piss their pants at the thought of the Browns getting Barkley! They're literally begging for Cleveland to mess up and take a QB number 1!!! LOVE IT!
It's fun to listen to all the Steeler's fans beginning to piss their pants at the thought of the Browns getting Barkley! They're literally begging for Cleveland to mess up and take a QB number 1!!! LOVE IT!
I'll have to dial up Vagitron and D- Mellon to find out exactly how not scared they are. They're probably far more worried about the amount of cash they're going to have to shell out to keep Le'veon Bell happy.
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I won't lie, Barkley certainly is an amazing talent and somebody I'd absolutely love to have on my team. The problem is, we still need a QB, and we have the chance to take the guy we like the most. We don't need to gamble, we don't need to get cute (like every other year), and we don't need to worry ourselves what other people think about our selection. We identify our favorite QB, and we draft him #1. It's really that simple.
If we draft Barkley 1, which I really don't see happening, we leave two picks for another team to snatch our favorite QB. When will we EVER have the 1 and 4 picks again? Hopefully never, right? So yeah, Barkley would be great, but you know what's better than the best RB in the draft? The best QUARTERBACK. The Giants and the Colts pick 2 and 3, and I've heard some fans say that the chance of either of those teams taking the QB we want is slim to none, so why not just take Barkley #1 and then wait to get our QB at 4? The reason is obvious, but I'll say it anyway. Both the Colts and the Giants are looking to trade down. There are multiple teams looking to draft a QB, and as the draft approaches, those teams will begin to feel a little desperate. They will move up to take their guy, and the Colts and Giants will gladly take the deal. So a team like the Cardinals moves up to #2, and a team like the Jets moves up to 3. All of the sudden there's TWO quarterbacks off the board when our #4 comes along, and we have successfully managed to screw ourselves...again.
Now, what are the chances that two teams will trade up to both the 2nd and 3rd picks for QBs? Probably not great. You have to figure that a couple of the QB needy teams will potentially solve their issues with free agency. So if the Cardinals sign McCarron, they won't move up. If the Broncos get Keenum, they won't either. Cousins is going to Minnesota (I used to think Jets, but now Vikings), so that still leaves the Jets as a team likely to move up inside the top 4 to potentially take the QB we want. Why would we risk that?
The ONLY way I'd be ok drafting Saquon is if we trade up from the 4th spot, and switch with the Giants. What would it take to make that move? Probably more than I'd be comfortable with, but I suppose a deal would be possible if the Giants couldn't get a better offer from anybody else. That being said, I don't want to give up any picks. I'd much rather take our favorite QB at 1, and then see what happens. And here's something else to consider....if we take a QB at 1, that means there's one off the board, and the teams that need one are going to be SCRAMBLING. Suppose another one goes off the chart at 2 or 3, and now it's our turn to pick at 4, but there's only one of the top 3 QBs left. You HAVE to figure a QB desperate team is going to offer us a stupid awesome deal, right? What if Barkley is still available? We take our QB #1, and we control the draft. There's going to be someone available at #4 that other teams are going to desperately want, and as long as we don't move out of the top ten, I'm completely fine with taking advantage of their desperation.
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Barkley is not a tough runner, just a fast guy who has long runs that he will not get in the just as fast defensive NFL. I would reconsider if his ypc average were about 2 ypc higher, but they aren't so don't take him under any circumstance. Would he be better than the Blind Crow? Sure, but so will a number of RBs in this years deep draft.
So:
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Nonsense, I have you and Ghoolie lined up.
I may disagree with you, but I didn't dislike you until thst comment, dont EVER mention him and I in same sentence.
Very insulting
I may disagree with you, but I didn't dislike you until thst comment, dont EVER mention him and I in same sentence.
Very insulting
It was a joke.
Relax and dont take this so seriously. Its my opinion and your opinion. If I am wrong I will admit it.
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Isn't it funny. I label the 2018 draft saying EMPHATICALLY................. Barkley is THE #1 pick, just as was Trubisky. THe browns fukcked up last year and made the #51 pick the #1 pick, while the Bears got the true #1.
his year is no different. The QBs are all okay. Whichever one we would get, is a stab in the dark.
Again, I would not take a QB. Sign McCarron or similar, let him compete with Black Tarkenton. YOu take Barkley #1. You trade next year's #1 with some combination of Zumba balls, Coleman and Thomas and wind up with another (3d_ first round pick this year. Barkely, then WR, then WR, at the second round, find a big, blocking, punching, badass FB. Then,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, THen you can say the Browns had a great draft. But just standing pat at #1 and #4? BORING.
Isn't it funny. I label the 2018 draft saying EMPHATICALLY................. Barkley is THE #1 pick, just as was Trubisky. THe browns fukcked up last year and made the #51 pick the #1 pick, while the Bears got the true #1.
his year is no different. The QBs are all okay. Whichever one we would get, is a stab in the dark.
Again, I would not take a QB. Sign McCarron or similar, let him compete with Black Tarkenton. YOu take Barkley #1. You trade next year's #1 with some combination of Zumba balls, Coleman and Thomas and wind up with another (3d_ first round pick this year. Barkely, then WR, then WR, at the second round, find a big, blocking, punching, badass FB. Then,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, THen you can say the Browns had a great draft. But just standing pat at #1 and #4? BORING.
Tribisky has proven that he can put on an NFL uniform. Deshaun Watson made Tribisky look the Waterboy until he got hurt and out of the season.
Barkley - Yes,
Vet FA QB - Yes
Trade out of # 4 - No. You need to start working with your QB of the future yesterday. The Vet QB is already signed up via FA and everyone knows that the Rookie is not starting in 2018 unless there is no other choice.
I would only trade the 33rd pick for a 2019 1st and that teams 2018 2nd.
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It was a joke.
Relax and dont take this so seriously. Its my opinion and your opinion. If I am wrong I will admit it.
I was joking obviously
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I'm starting to sense a rumbling growl deep inside the Dawgpound. Dogs do what dogs do. Dogs do dog things. Dog recognize dog and somehow we are drawn together... Be it destiny, be it fate.
I'm excited because this is only the beginning for this dog. This dog is never satisfied. Never sated and always hungry for success at every level, at every endeavor.
I've always thought that Cleveland needed a Superman. Saquon might not be Superman, but he's got an "S" on his chest and he's fittin to try his best... No, not Superman... but he's damn close, closest we're going to find for a long time.
He's an alpha dog, he'll get the locker room and the team in a frenzy! He's the type of player that guys rally around. They play better, harder. They see him and it inspires them to go above and beyond for the team and the game. Players like Peppers, Coleman, Gordon, Njoku, Devalve and Duke Johnson are going to excel and grow.
From the first time I saw Barkley I thought that he reminded me of a kid that plays for my soccer team. This kid is amazing, he gives the other kids hope. He raises their ability and belief that they can win just by being on his team. It's easy to spot when you know what to look for. Barkley is a General.
I'm starting to sense a rumbling growl deep inside the Dawgpound. Dogs do what dogs do. Dogs do dog things. Dog recognize dog and somehow we are drawn together... Be it destiny, be it fate.
I'm excited because this is only the beginning for this dog. This dog is never satisfied. Never sated and always hungry for success at every level, at every endeavor.
I've always thought that Cleveland needed a Superman. Saquon might not be Superman, but he's got an "S" on his chest and he's fittin to try his best... No, not Superman... but he's damn close, closest we're going to find for a long time.
He's an alpha dog, he'll get the locker room and the team in a frenzy! He's the type of player that guys rally around. They play better, harder. They see him and it inspires them to go above and beyond for the team and the game. Players like Peppers, Coleman, Gordon, Njoku, Devalve and Duke Johnson are going to excel and grow.
From the first time I saw Barkley I thought that he reminded me of a kid that plays for my soccer team. This kid is amazing, he gives the other kids hope. He raises their ability and belief that they can win just by being on his team. It's easy to spot when you know what to look for. Barkley is a General.
My suggestion for you is that you go and be a fan of whatever team takes Barkley...if the Browns do not....and that you stop bothering the rest of us in your display of your hard on for him.
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Here is a collection of Super Bowl trophies accumulated by Barry Sanders, LaDainian Tomlinson, and Adrian Peterson. . .
Two things that will define you: Your determination when you have nothing. Your attitude when you have everything. - Mike McCartney -
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Here is a collection of Super Bowl trophies accumulated by Barry Sanders, LaDainian Tomlinson, and Adrian Peterson. . .
Here is a collection of Super Bowl trophies accumulated by Barry Sanders, LaDainian Tomlinson, and Adrian Peterson. . .
And I see Earl Campbell's and OJ Simpsons...and Eric Dickerson and Curtis Martin's and Thurman Thomas's.
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Here is a collection of Super Bowl trophies accumulated by Barry Sanders, LaDainian Tomlinson, and Adrian Peterson. . .
And I see Earl Campbell's and OJ Simpsons...and Eric Dickerson and Curtis Martin's and Thurman Thomas's.
And I see Earl Campbell's and OJ Simpsons...and Eric Dickerson and Curtis Martin's and Thurman Thomas's.
I see Ki Jana Carters
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Isn't it funny. I label the 2018 draft saying EMPHATICALLY................. Barkley is THE #1 pick, just as was Trubisky. THe browns fukcked up last year and made the #51 pick the #1 pick, while the Bears got the true #1.
his year is no different. The QBs are all okay. Whichever one we would get, is a stab in the dark.
Again, I would not take a QB. Sign McCarron or similar, let him compete with Black Tarkenton. YOu take Barkley #1. You trade next year's #1 with some combination of Zumba balls, Coleman and Thomas and wind up with another (3d_ first round pick this year. Barkely, then WR, then WR, at the second round, find a big, blocking, punching, badass FB. Then,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, THen you can say the Browns had a great draft. But just standing pat at #1 and #4? BORING.
Isn't it funny. I label the 2018 draft saying EMPHATICALLY................. Barkley is THE #1 pick, just as was Trubisky. THe browns fukcked up last year and made the #51 pick the #1 pick, while the Bears got the true #1.
his year is no different. The QBs are all okay. Whichever one we would get, is a stab in the dark.
Again, I would not take a QB. Sign McCarron or similar, let him compete with Black Tarkenton. YOu take Barkley #1. You trade next year's #1 with some combination of Zumba balls, Coleman and Thomas and wind up with another (3d_ first round pick this year. Barkely, then WR, then WR, at the second round, find a big, blocking, punching, badass FB. Then,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, THen you can say the Browns had a great draft. But just standing pat at #1 and #4? BORING.
Other than Dorsey found the guy who was #1 last year in rushing IN THE THIRD ROUND , you're right- we're trading the #1 to the Giants so they can take Barkley, since he's so fabulous. He's a bigger edition of Eric Metcalf the way he dances around. LOL, we got a Zumba instructor on defense, why not pair him up with another one on offense? Kevin Mack he ain't. So Barkley is fast? There were around 5-6 guys who ran faster at the Combine.
You must really want other GMs to laugh their azz off at the Browns for taking a fullback in the second round- you missed the memo those guys don't go any higher that fourth round anymore. Go take a look at the previous posts and tell me how Saquon is going to win multiple Super Bowls with the Browns, when all of those HOF running backs failed in the attempt.
For the record Tom- there's at least three, and maybe four or five quarterbacks in this draft who are BETTER than Trubisky. So sure let's take freaking running back instead.
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The Giants won the super bowl going 9 - 7 and 10 - 6. Manning has proven that he can win big games on the road.
2 years of a clutch QB or a rookie who is unproven? Im going with the guy who has the resume. You cant teach coming through in the clutch.
My gosh, you just aren't very football smart. IF the Giants draft a QB, they DON'T START HIM DAY 1, THEY GO WITH MANNING UNTIL HE RETIRES.
You know, in 1-2 years see as though he is OLD.
End of lesson today. You obviously are trolling, uneducated, or just have 1 set opinion, and won't change for anything. It is sad any way you look at it.
My gosh, you just aren't very football smart. IF the Giants draft a QB, they DON'T START HIM DAY 1, THEY GO WITH MANNING UNTIL HE RETIRES.
You know, in 1-2 years see as though he is OLD.
End of lesson today. You obviously are trolling, uneducated, or just have 1 set opinion, and won't change for anything. It is sad any way you look at it.
They have a viable backup / potential starter in Davis Webb. They are probably not going qb at #2
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Here is a collection of Super Bowl trophies accumulated by Barry Sanders, LaDainian Tomlinson, and Adrian Peterson. . .
And I see Earl Campbell's and OJ Simpsons...and Eric Dickerson and Curtis Martin's and Thurman Thomas's.
And I see Earl Campbell's and OJ Simpsons...and Eric Dickerson and Curtis Martin's and Thurman Thomas's.
I see Ki Jana Carters
And Bo Jackson's- the last two running backs taken #1 overall. Have to admit Bo might have been HOF if he hadn't gotten hurt- but he did. And to those who think a #1 RB can't under perform- (and Saquon is bust-proof) from the link I posted elsewhere- I give you George Rodgers, Billy Sims, and Ricky Bell #1s all, and collectively not much to write home about.
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My gosh, you just aren't very football smart. IF the Giants draft a QB, they DON'T START HIM DAY 1, THEY GO WITH MANNING UNTIL HE RETIRES.
You know, in 1-2 years see as though he is OLD.
End of lesson today. You obviously are trolling, uneducated, or just have 1 set opinion, and won't change for anything. It is sad any way you look at it.
They have a viable backup / potential starter in Davis Webb. They are probably not going qb at #2
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Barkley is not a tough runner, just a fast guy who has long runs that he will not get in the just as fast defensive NFL. I would reconsider if his ypc average were about 2 ypc higher, but they aren't so don't take him under any circumstance. Would he be better than the Blind Crow? Sure, but so will a number of RBs in this years deep draft.
So:
Barkley is not a tough runner, just a fast guy who has long runs that he will not get in the just as fast defensive NFL. I would reconsider if his ypc average were about 2 ypc higher, but they aren't so don't take him under any circumstance. Would he be better than the Blind Crow? Sure, but so will a number of RBs in this years deep draft.
So:
That's how I see it. You look at his stats, he's done very little on the ground in over half his games. He had lots of receiving yards, so he's definitely a weapon. Can he be as effective catching it in the NFL with all the speed on defense? Nobody knows.
You have penny, Michel, Jones, k Johnson, Guice, chubb, ballage etc. Most are going to be there in mid rounds. I still think Penny is the most underrated back in the draft. No respect whatsoever
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Here is a collection of Super Bowl trophies accumulated by Barry Sanders, LaDainian Tomlinson, and Adrian Peterson. . .
Here is a collection of Super Bowl trophies accumulated by Barry Sanders, LaDainian Tomlinson, and Adrian Peterson. . .
Box full of Lombardis who were won by 1st overall QBs other tnan the Mannings and Troy Aikman over the last 30 years
Jared Goff
Jamis Winston'
Andy Luck
Cam Newton
Sam Bradford
Matt Staford
Jamarcus Russel
Alex Smith
Carson Palmer
David Carr
Mike Vick
Tim Couch
Drew Bledsoe
Jeff George
Vinny Testaverde
All you need is to find the generational QB in this draft like the Mannings or Troy Aikman.
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Whether you are in or out on Barkley (doesn't matter to me), I must admit to both sides I have been so wrong on him.
I was told that he would run sub 4.3 in 40. I read where he ran a 4.4 (still very fast), but I failed to realize that the clock was broken when he ran at the combine
I was told he was strongest RB to ever grace the scene, he did 29 reps ( that is GREAT, especially for a RB), but just a couple years ago a back did 32. I just received an update, Saquon did his bench one handed.
I heard a little birdie say he had a good game against Ohio State. He had 21 carries for 44 yards, including a 36 yard TD. I assumed that wasn't a very good average, but then I went back and looked at the tape, and it was rather impressive considering Ohio State played with 15 on the field, and Penn State only had 1 lineman.
It rang in my head like a drum how great of a receiving back he was. He had 102 catches for 1195 yards (11.7 average) and 8 TDs for his career. That shows his ability over someone like Michel who over the same amount of time had 64 catches for 621 yards (9.7 average) and 6 TDs for his career. Then I remembered that Barkley was the feature back, and Michel split time with another high prospect in Nick Chubb, who himself in 3 years (just like Barkley and Michel) had 31 catches for 361 yards (11.6 average) and 4 TDs. So adding up Penn State backfield vs Georgia backfield was 102 catches, 1195 yards and 8 TDs vs 95 catches, 982 yards, and 10 touchdowns. I thought about it though, and figured I would look at the careers in college of the top 3 backs in the league (as they are multi dimensional). Todd Gurley: 65 catches, 615 yards (9.5 average) and 6 TDs, Zeke: 58 catches, 449 yards (7.7 average) and 1 TD, Leveon Bell: 78 catches, 531 yards (6.8 average) and 1 TD. So I assumed just like those top NFL backs that these college guys have the ability to catch, even though they didn't do it as much in college. But then I had to remember that Barkley had McSorley throwing to him, and that hurt him, while these other guys had future HOF as their QBs, because Gurley had Aaron Murray, Zeke had JT Barrett, and Bell had Cousins and Cook.
So you guys, again I was wrong. SUPERMAN BARKLEY is worth 2 1st rounders, he has the best characteristics from Jim Brown, Walter Payton, Emmitt Smith, Barry Sanders, Marshall Faulk, and Ladanian Tomlinson rolled all into one. And if the Quarterback the Browns get at #4 doesn't pan out, Todd Haley will just tailor his offense entirely around Barkley. A lot of Wild Dawg Pound. I'll bet Barkley has a better arm than Josh Allen or John Elway, and the brain of Peyton Manning. I am now locking it up, Barkley at #1. He will rush for 2400 yards and 20 TD's and catch 120 balls and 10 TDs. And he will also return 8 kickoffs for TD.
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