Tyrod Taylor A Brown

PoeticG

If the Bills could get another first just outside the top 10... I'd trade the #4 for 11-15 pick and the 22/23 picks.

Flugel

@jcam222 said:

This really just pissed all over my Landry joy. Talk about underwhelming!! I sure hope its a our 3rd string option. Id have gladly brought McCown back over Taylor. The 65th pick>?!>!>!>!>!>!?! OMG stupid as hell.

Here's the deal - we're coming off 1-31 football so it doesn't matter what we have to spend on the QB position. It's not a recruiting attraction YET. I'm sure if Dorsey knew AJ McCarron, Sam Bradford or Case Keenum was a possibility - he'd be going for it.

The good news is Tyrod doesn't throw a lot of picks while he averaged a completion percentage of about 62.7 in the 3 years he started in Buffalo. Here's his TD:INT ratios, comp% and record during that time: 14 TD:4 INT 62.6 cmp% 8-6 record in 2017; 17 TD:6 INT 61.7 cmp% 7-8 record in 2016; 20 TD:6 INT 63.7 cmp% 7-6 record in 2015. He can also scramble out of trouble when needed. Meanwhile, Josh McCown's records as a starter the last 4 years is as follows: 1-10 TB in 2014, 1-7 Cle in 2015, 0-3 Cle in 2016, 5-8 NYJ in 2017. He's been beat up worse than Evel Knievel while he's almost as old as Barnabas Collins.

Not losing sight of the bigger picture, we're going to be drafting a QB with the 1st or the 4th pick. Maybe this we'll be like the Seahawks back in 2012 when they added veteran QB Matt Flynn for a 26 million $ deal with 10 million $ guaranteed before they drafted the most successful QB of his draft class Russell Wilson in round 3. Only we're not waiting until round 3 while we might have less urgency to start our rookie nearly as early. And what helped Wilson a lot particularly early on? Handing off to Beast Mode, scrambling out of trouble and a great defense.

Westside Steve

@ibleedbrown said:

Curious move from the Bills’ perspective. They just ditched their starting QB for the last 3 years. I’m guessing they have something up their sleeve...

What, like some inside information? Like selling your car when you see anti-freeze in the oil?

WSS

TexasAg1969

@bigalow80 said:

Interestingly, this could set the browns up to take barkley #1. Darnold and Rosen are considered the top 2 qbs on the board. That would fall perfectly for the browns. Even if the Giants take or trade out (it would be for a qb), the cots would then either take chubb/nelson or trade out (would be for a qb), that would leave Allen and Mayfield who might be sitting on top of the Browns board. Allen has the most potential of all the qbs but he clearly needs to be developed. Mayfield is TT 2.0. This could be exactly what the browns want to do. Or maybe they love Jackson and they know they will just need to get ahead of Buffalo. so many options...

Or just maybe they continue to built this into a championship D and take Chubb #1, Fitzpatrick #4 and roll with Taylor. Worked ok for Seattle with a similar player at QB.

Bigalow80

@texasag1969 said:

Or just maybe they continue to built this into a championship D and take Chubb #1, Fitzpatrick #4 and roll with Taylor. Worked ok for Seattle with a similar player at QB.

This is going to be very interesting to see what they end up doing. I like this above scenario as well. That defense could be scary good. The only catch is that there are good CB/S and RBs in the later rounds as well. Chubb is hands down the best pass rusher in this class. Trade back up for a qb whom might be falling? Every year there is at least one. However, unlike years past, I think all 5 of the top qbs are better than Trubisky and Mahomes. Watson was a winner and got things done but I would say even Jackson is probably a more dynamic player.

steveo

taylor is not a great..but a good NFL qb..don't draft a qb # 1 or 4!!!take Barkley 1..Chub 4..team him with Garrett and DARE opposing qbs to drop back..Taylor took a mediocre(at best)bills team to the playoffs..3-1 career td-int ratio he is better than he gets credit for..add Jarvis Landry and another solid free agent or 3 eith 100 mil$$ in cap space,and poof !!instant playoff contender

boo fagley

@syd said:

last 3 years over 62 % in completions also every year he ran the ball less those be my fav takes from that

Which QB in the draft does he emulate? Both Taylor and the new guy will run the same style offense under Haley.

I keep coming up with Mayfield http://www.soonersports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=31000&ATCLID=209397188

SD_Tom

@louisville-slugger said:

I like Rashaad Penny better myself, but the potential of Barkley is pretty enticing. I think Mayfield is the guy the front office wants. Dorsey has openly praised him and Mayfield was out first meeting.

Penny is badass

Nero

@boo-fagley said:

Which QB in the draft does he emulate? Both Taylor and the new guy will run the same style offense under Haley.

I keep coming up with Mayfield http://www.soonersports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=31000&ATCLID=209397188

From the Darnold-Rosen-Mayfield trio, I agree that Taylor looks closer to Mayfield in his playing style.

#65? Damn son. Still better than #33 for freaking AJ McCarron, though.

jiggins7919

I know what you guys are thinking, "Where has Jiggins been?!"

Here I am!

I gotta tell ya, this move makes SO much sense. We get a QB who has proven he can lead an offense, make plays, take care of the rock, and complete a high percentage of his passes. This isn't to say that he doesn't have his warts. Obviously he does or else there's no way Buffalo lets him walk, but they're warts we can LIVE WITH. Tyrod Taylor put up numbers (and wins btw) while throwing to primarily a bunch of nobody receivers. Well, he comes to Cleveland where all of the sudden, we actually HAVE wide receivers.

Now, all of us have been hurt by hoping to see Josh Gordon on the field. We know the absurd talent, we know the physical prowess, and we also know (all too well) that we simply can't depend on the guy. Does Josh seem different this time around? Yeah, he does. Are we feeling good about his chances of staying out of trouble? No, we're not. But....BUT...you can imagine what the offense will look like with Tyrod throwing to Josh Gordon, Jarvis Landry, Corey Coleman, Duke Johnson, and David Njoku.

Unfortunately, the entire key to our offense is none other than Josh Gordon. Why? Because the opposing defense now has to figure out which DB they're going to put on Gordon and Landry. Regardless, that likely leaves the #3 CB on Corey Coleman, and that's a win for us. Say what you want about Coleman, but he's now in position to have a killer year if he finally stays healthy, which I believe he will. Most defenses don't have 3 quality CB's, and we now FINALLY have three receivers who aren't just a threat, but can beat PRESS COVERAGE. You guys remember last year when Corey got hurt and none of our guys could beat press, and nobody was open...like hardly ever? Now you have Gordon deep, Corey and Jarvis working underneath, Njoku in the seam, and Duke in the backfield. Yo.

Tyrod isn't perfect and we know this. Bills fans remember a bunch of passes bouncing off the turf and some more sailing out of bounds. He can also drive you crazy by holding onto the ball too long and not finding the open guy fast enough. Again, if he was a better prospect there's absolutely no way the Bills let him go after making the playoffs for the first time in a thousand years. Tyrod might not be what they want, but he's the safest option for us, and you already know what you're getting with him, whereas someone like McCarron is more of an unknown with so little tape.

The ONE thing that could bite us in the butt is not signing McCarron because where he isn't as safe as Tyrod, he may have a higher upside. Tyrod is the quintessential "bridge QB" and I think we all know it. Could he BE more? Ehhhhhh....possibly, but it's not what we're likely counting on. Conversely, McCarron COULD be a long-term starting QB, and if he goes on to sign with a team like the Broncos or Vikings and turns into "the guy", it's going to make us look VERY bad despite those teams having much better defenses. But...that's OK. Tyrod is safer to me, and I LIKE SAFE. Tyrod is also plenty fast enough to run the read-option package we have, and he's quite adept at the seam pass to the TE.

Maybe the most exciting aspect of our three big moves is this: What were our 3 biggest holes entering free agency? Anybody? That's right! QB, WR, and CB. What did our team get RIGHT AWAY? QB, WR, and CB. I mean, that's what I call efficiency. And the best part? We didn't give up an arm and a leg. I don't LOVE trading Kizer because I felt he would have been an excellent backup, and right now we literally don't HAVE one, but that's OK, we have plenty of time to figure that out. You guys know what else these three moves accomplished? I think they changed the perception of what free agents might think about Cleveland. All the sudden you look at Cleveland, and now they have a QB leading them. There's a big name WR coming. They are making the statement that they want to win NOW. And finally...are these moves enough to sway Joe Thomas to come back? Does he want to try it again with a veteran QB who doesn't turn it over? It's possible...and we'll know shortly.

darren15

Maybe McCarron is off to Buffalo

Dutch Oven

@poeticg said:

If the Bills could get another first just outside the top 10... I'd trade the #4 for 11-15 pick and the 22/23 picks.

But after the Browns draft a QB at #1, there would be no chance to draft your stalkee in that scenario...

LogicIsForSquares

@westside-steve said:

What, like some inside information? Like selling your car when you see anti-freeze in the oil?

WSS

The Bills knew Taylor wasn’t their solution to get over the hump. The Browns know exactly what they are getting. Taylor can win you some games while a rookie QB sits.

Dutch Oven

@texasag1969 said:

Or just maybe they continue to built this into a championship D and take Chubb #1, Fitzpatrick #4 and roll with Taylor. Worked ok for Seattle with a similar player at QB.

Taylor is a similar player as Russell Wilson?

I mean, both are black, and not really big, but are they really that similar talent-wise TexAg? Eh...

Flugel

@darren15 said:

Maybe McCarron is off to Buffalo

I'm pretty sure our Central Intelligence knows where every free agent QB is going (or have narrowed their interests to). I am no longer worried about our previous recruiting attraction of FUBAR. One GREAT day from Dorsey and the NFL Channel is talking about the land of opportunity in Cleveland as opposed to the place to bury one's career.

TexasAg1969

@dutch-oven said:

Taylor is a similar player as Russell Wilson?

I mean, both are black, and not really big, but are they really that similar talent-wise TexAg? Eh...

Both have low turnover rates and if the Browns build their D the way Seattle did, they can afford NOT to score every possession. Seattle built a sacking machine in the D line (just like the Broncos did) and won one SB and had they been smart enough to keep running Beastmode, should have had 2. Taylor has not had a deep, healthy receiver corps and we have a chance to build one for him now. EDIT: Adding the slot was the most important job #1 to finally have a receiving corps. I wanted Kirk (and still do), but Landry is already a proven great slot player.

EDIT #2: Chunk it deep Huey was too stupid to understand the value of a quality slot (hello Brady?) to keep moving the chains. Get another in this draft to go with Landry. Fleas will bite you to death if you have enough of 'em.

boo fagley

@nero said:

From the Darnold-Rosen-Mayfield trio, I agree that Taylor looks closer to Mayfield in his playing style.

#65? Damn son. Still better than #33 for freaking AJ McCarron, though.

Dorsey has spent low round draft picks for players that will play and possibly start this year vs the risk of drafting a guy that low and hoping he works out.

All while keeping the high picks in a loaded draft.

Nobody has taken a snap yet, but the Browns are 1 of the winners this FA period thus far IMO. Im thinking 8 wins is a given.

jcam222

@flugel said:

Here's the deal - we're coming off 1-31 football so it doesn't matter what we have to spend on the QB position. It's not a recruiting attraction YET. I'm sure if Dorsey knew AJ McCarron, Sam Bradford or Case Keenum was a possibility - he'd be going for it.

The good news is Tyrod doesn't throw a lot of picks while he averaged a completion percentage of about 62.7 in the 3 years he started in Buffalo. Here's his TD:INT ratios, comp% and record during that time: 14 TD:4 INT 62.6 cmp% 8-6 record in 2017; 17 TD:6 INT 61.7 cmp% 7-8 record in 2016; 20 TD:6 INT 63.7 cmp% 7-6 record in 2015. He can also scramble out of trouble when needed. Meanwhile, Josh McCown's records as a starter the last 4 years is as follows: 1-10 TB in 2014, 1-7 Cle in 2015, 0-3 Cle in 2016, 5-8 NYJ in 2017. He's been beat up worse than Evel Knievel while he's almost as old as Barnabas Collins.

Not losing sight of the bigger picture, we're going to be drafting a QB with the 1st or the 4th pick. Maybe this we'll be like the Seahawks back in 2012 when they added veteran QB Matt Flynn for a 26 million $ deal with 10 million $ guaranteed before they drafted the most successful QB of his draft class Russell Wilson in round 3. Only we're not waiting until round 3 while we might have less urgency to start our rookie nearly as early. And what helped Wilson a lot particularly early on? Handing off to Beast Mode, scrambling out of trouble and a great defense.

Good post, I'm slowly wanting to the idea. I still find it odd we had to give pick 65 for him though on a one year contract. That pick was a nudge away from the 2nd round.

boo fagley

@hoorta said:

The Bills now have a ton of draft picks to move up if they so chose....

Yep, its looking like

1 QB grabbing your guy because Haslam told Dorsey find a QB and I dont believe he was talking about Taylor.

2 Bills QB after trade with Giants because Bills have no QB.

3 Colts take Barkley because they are void at RB.

4 RB or Defense.

calfoxwc

I still think Ballage will be a GREAT pick later in the draft. Barkley - is terrific - of course his YAC is low - he's so quick, explosive and elusive, most of the time there isn't any "C". NOTE: Ballage is a later pick talent wise - but he did run well, and is a fine receiver out of the backfield.

But imagine Duke in the slot, with Barkley an outlet, with Landry out wide...there's some serious quickness there.