Which draftable QB has the best mechanics?
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Darnold has a noticeable hitch in his throwing motion.
He drops the ball down to his waist (could be the reason for all the fumbles) instead of keeping it up near his chest, then winds up and throws passes like he's a baseball pitcher.
He needs to clean this up.
Saw that too. I am not getting the Darnold hype at all.
Saw that too. I am not getting the Darnold hype at all.
I do like Darnold.
I like his size, his arm, his ability to make NFL throws (throwing people open, making tough throws into small windows, etc) and while he's obviously not Lamar Jackson, Darnold has the ability to pick up yards given to him, and to be able to move around the pocket to avoid the rush. (A statue would have ended up on a stretcher vs Ohio State in the Cotton Bowl) He seems like a good leader and good teammate.
But he's so much a work in process. He's not at Rosen's level now. Darnold should have gone back to USC, and I'm saying this knowing there's a great chance he's taken in the top 5.
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Darnold has a noticeable hitch in his throwing motion.
He drops the ball down to his waist (could be the reason for all the fumbles) instead of keeping it up near his chest, then winds up and throws passes like he's a baseball pitcher.
He needs to clean this up.
Darnold has a noticeable hitch in his throwing motion.
He drops the ball down to his waist (could be the reason for all the fumbles) instead of keeping it up near his chest, then winds up and throws passes like he's a baseball pitcher.
He needs to clean this up.
I'm just not so sure that things like that actually get 'cleaned up'. Sure, they'll work on it...and he might get better at it in practice and drills......but once the games start and he's in the heat of battle they tend to go right back to what they always, kind of naturally, did.
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Darnold has a noticeable hitch in his throwing motion.
He drops the ball down to his waist (could be the reason for all the fumbles) instead of keeping it up near his chest, then winds up and throws passes like he's a baseball pitcher.
He needs to clean this up.
I'm just not so sure that things like that actually get 'cleaned up'. Sure, they'll work on it...and he might get better at it in practice and drills......but once the games start and he's in the heat of battle they tend to go right back to what they always, kind of naturally, did.
I'm just not so sure that things like that actually get 'cleaned up'. Sure, they'll work on it...and he might get better at it in practice and drills......but once the games start and he's in the heat of battle they tend to go right back to what they always, kind of naturally, did.
Sitting behind Favre for three years helped, but Aaron Rodgers reworked his delivery.
QBs holding the ball too low is a common problem that can be fixed. Its not like he's Bernie Kosar trying to go from throwing side arm to throwing completely overhand like Peyton Manning.
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I'm just not so sure that things like that actually get 'cleaned up'. Sure, they'll work on it...and he might get better at it in practice and drills......but once the games start and he's in the heat of battle they tend to go right back to what they always, kind of naturally, did.
Sitting behind Favre for three years helped, but Aaron Rodgers reworked his delivery.
QBs holding the ball too low is a common problem that can be fixed. Its not like he's Bernie Kosar trying to go from throwing side arm to throwing completely overhand like Peyton Manning.
QBs holding the ball too low is a common problem that can be fixed.
But the 'Wind up and the pitch' are harder to fix. I'd prefer someone who's got the most correct mechanical things already ingrained into their persona.
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QBs holding the ball too low is a common problem that can be fixed.
But the 'Wind up and the pitch' are harder to fix. I'd prefer someone who's got the most correct mechanical things already ingrained into their persona.
But the 'Wind up and the pitch' are harder to fix. I'd prefer someone who's got the most correct mechanical things already ingrained into their persona.
But wouldn't holding the ball too low be the cause of the "wind up and pitch" delivery? Because the ball is around his waist, it has to be raised way up, like he's a baseball pitcher?
If it is something difficult to fix (almost hard-wired which is what I think you are saying) then this would be something the Browns need to consider.
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Saw that too. I am not getting the Darnold hype at all.
I do like Darnold.
I like his size, his arm, his ability to make NFL throws (throwing people open, making tough throws into small windows, etc) and while he's obviously not Lamar Jackson, Darnold has the ability to pick up yards given to him, and to be able to move around the pocket to avoid the rush. (A statue would have ended up on a stretcher vs Ohio State in the Cotton Bowl) He seems like a good leader and good teammate.
But he's so much a work in process. He's not at Rosen's level now. Darnold should have gone back to USC, and I'm saying this knowing there's a great chance he's taken in the top 5.
I think that if Lamar Jackson lands with the right team, a team whose starter has a similar skill set, e.g., Seattle or Buffalo, then he has a shot at developing into a starter level NFL QB.
Darnold should have gone back to USC, and I'm saying this knowing there's a great chance he's taken in the top 5.
That's why he came out. Top 5 $$$...
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But the 'Wind up and the pitch' are harder to fix. I'd prefer someone who's got the most correct mechanical things already ingrained into their persona.
But wouldn't holding the ball too low be the cause of the "wind up and pitch" delivery? Because the ball is around his waist, it has to be raised way up, like he's a baseball pitcher?
If it is something difficult to fix (almost hard-wired which is what I think you are saying) then this would be something the Browns need to consider.
But wouldn't holding the ball too low be the cause of the "wind up and pitch" delivery?
Highly doubtful in Darnold's case because he starts it with a sternum high "pat" and then drops it. That is he starts in the correct position, but takes the wrong path.
This as opposed to Kizer who fell into the bad habit his last season at ND of holding the ball low (below chest high) in one hand. Prior to The Combine he worked with George WhatsHisFace, the QB guru. By simply correcting his starting point to two hands on the ball at sternum height and associating that with the proper ball path to the throwing position, his looping windup disappeared.
That said, as soon as Kizer had to move the left hand came off the ball and the loop came back. It's the reversion under pressure Orion mentioned.
Worst wind up ever? Former MLB pitching prospect Brandon "Wheezy" Weedon. Ball dropped down from his chest to thigh high at times.
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Why do we have so many QB threads?
You aren’t that new here haha. It is QB/draft season for Browns fans. Happens every year.
You aren’t that new here haha. It is QB/draft season for Browns fans. Happens every year.
Yeah but I didn't check the board for like 3 days and I came back to probably 7 QB threads. That's not normal.
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It's a couple months later........and I think I STILL want the QB with the best mechanics.
Rosen = best mechanics
Mayfield = most accurate
Darnald = most lovable
Allen = strongest arm
BEING A BROWNS FAN IS A TEST TO SEE HOW MUCH YOU CAN TAKE -
It's a couple months later........and I think I STILL want the QB with the best mechanics.
Rosen = best mechanics
Mayfield = most accurate
Darnald = most lovable
Allen = strongest arm
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It's a couple months later........and I think I STILL want the QB with the best mechanics.
Rosen = best mechanics
Mayfield = most accurate
Darnald = most lovable
Allen = strongest arm
It's a couple months later........and I think I STILL want the QB with the best mechanics.
Rosen = best mechanics
Mayfield = most accurate
Darnald = most lovable
Allen = strongest arm
I know it was just in a t-shirt, but if you saw Mayfield hitting targets with Ladanian Tomlinson it was damn impressive accuracy. & yeah I know- Wheezy could bust clay pigeons on the fly....
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"sigh"
https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2017/6/9/15682584/patrick-mahomes-texas-tech-chiefs
Patrick Mahomes’ mechanics needed fixing. The Chiefs are doing it.
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then there's Faulk who has excellent mechanics...
Pros
- Solid mechanics and has a quick release.
- Generally an accurate quarterback who makes sound decisions.
- Isn’t affraid
- Experienced QB, who has been a starter since 2014, and set records in Washington State’s offense
- Flashes the ability to throw with touch, timing, and anticipation
Cons
- Questionable arm strength. Throws lack “zip” and he often under-throws on deep routes.
- Occasionally questionable decision making or field vision.
- Bad habit of staring down receivers when he is “pressing”, trying to make a play.
- Slender build and has been hit a lot in Washington State’s pass-happy offense. Durability could be a concern.
- “Spread” quarterback who will face a learning curve at the next level.
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http://www.nfl.com/draft/2018/profiles/josh-rosen?id=2560059
Weaknesses
Durability is a concern. Carries slight build and has had injury issues dating back to high school. Carries ball low in pocket with slight upward pre-throw hitch. Too casual in pocket set-up. Decision making and post-snap reads are inconsistent. Refuses easy throws at times. Arm talent and strength are below average. May need to make greater effort to drive field and seam throws. Poor career deep ball completion rate. Excess air under ball allows challenges. Lacks gun to challenge safeties with rip throws over the top. Needs better anticipation. Poor mobility. Struggles to elude early pressure. Completed just 42.4 percent of his throws when forced to move. Too much hero ball. Extends plays and takes unnecessary chances rather than throwing it away. Scouts question his passion for football and whether he will be a willing student.Draft Projection
Round 1Sources Tell Us
"He wasn't the guy everyone rallied around in college and you don't have to dig around for too long to find people who said he was hard to coach. He's definitely talented. Nobody questions that. But he's going to have to get grown men to buy into him as their leader. That is not a given." -- NFL ExecutiveNFL Comparison
Trent GreenBottom Line
Josh Rosen's footwork and mechanics make him as pretty a quarterback as you will find in this year's draft. The biggest concern with Rosen is that his on-field success requires many elements to stay on schedule. He lacks plus arm strength, so identifying coverage (pre- and post-snap) and throwing with anticipation takes on added importance. Rosen has the pocket poise, accuracy and intelligence to become a good NFL starter, but he needs to be willing to take what defenses give him more frequently. Rosen will need to quell concerns surrounding leadership and coachability early on in order to establish a strong first impression and get his career off on the right foot. -
"sigh"
https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2017/6/9/15682584/patrick-mahomes-texas-tech-chiefs
Patrick Mahomes’ mechanics needed fixing. The Chiefs are doing it.
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Rosen and it's not close. He's the pick at #1. I felt this way after the usc game, feel it more now.
His arm strength is very good. He threw three bombs in a row at the combine right in stride. He's made big throws all year.
Most execs that met with him said he's the most advanced by far, and impressed the most. He understands the game more than the others.
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It's a couple months later........and I think I STILL want the QB with the best mechanics.
Rosen = best mechanics
Mayfield = most accurate
Darnald = most lovable
Allen = strongest arm
It's a couple months later........and I think I STILL want the QB with the best mechanics.
Rosen = best mechanics
Mayfield = most accurate
Darnald = most lovable
Allen = strongest arm
Darnold has a face only a mother could love....so I don't get that one.
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