Tyrod from a Bills Fan's Perspective
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As just a brief comparison:
Games: Taylor 58 games 43 starts Cousins 62 games, 57 starts
Record as starter: Taylor 22-20 Cousins 26-30-1 (numbers from pfr....not sure where Taylor's other game went)
Att/Comps: Taylor 793/1271 Cousins 1372/2096
Comp. % : Taylor 62.4 Cousins 65.5
Yards: Taylor 9056 Cousins 16,206
TDs: Taylor 51 Cousins 99
INT.s: Taylor 18 Cousins 55
TD% Taylor 4.0 Cousins 4.7
Int% Taylor 1.4 Cousins 2.6
YPA Taylor 7.1 Cousins 7.7
YPC Taylor 11.4 Cousins 11.8
YPG Taylor 156.1 Cousins 261.4
Rating Taylor 91.2 Cousins 93.7
Sacks Taylor 129 Cousins 106
What do these tell us:
Cousins was in an offense prone more to throwing. He also took more risks with his throw...given the divergence with the Int. numbers. Taylor was more likely to eat the ball...given his sack numbers.
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At this pace this board thinks that roughly 30 players are guaranteed to be gone by the time the Browns are on the clock at #4.
Realistically....it could be 5-6 candidates: Barkley, Chubb and anyone of the 4 QBs including one the Browns take.
Who else can you see going in top 3 before Browns choose at #4?
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Browns getting Tyrod is a good move, Browns should draft theirQB for the future. At a minimum Tyrod will serve well as a bridge but just maybe he will prove valuable for th next 2 or 3 years. Tyrod may not be Brady but he can throw the ball, the Bills gave him no protection and no receivers. I expect this to change with the Browns and you will be happy to have him.
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My perspective on Tyrod is a little different than the OP's and I am also a Bills fan that watched every game he played. In the 3 years he started if the team fell behind by 10 points at any point in the game we never came back. He has 1 300 yard passing game in his career and it took OT to get it. TT is a team guy and a hard worker but... Most games he throws for under 200 yards and doesn't see guys running wide open. Landry is a great WR but TT won't be able to utilize him correctly because he rarely throws over the middle and never throws anyone open. He also holds on to the ball longer than any QB in the league causing many many sacks.
http://www.wgr550.com/articles/opinion/dear-browns-fans
Luckily for you guys he's just a backup plan for the guy that you will end up drafting. In our case he was "the guy" and he's nothing more than a bridge/backup in reality.
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At this pace this board thinks that roughly 30 players are guaranteed to be gone by the time the Browns are on the clock at #4.
Realistically....it could be 5-6 candidates: Barkley, Chubb and anyone of the 4 QBs including one the Browns take.
Who else can you see going in top 3 before Browns choose at #4?
Realistically....it could be 5-6 candidates: Barkley, Chubb and anyone of the 4 QBs including one the Browns take.
Who else can you see going in top 3 before Browns choose at #4?
Honestly, at this point, there's NO ONE I would guarantee to be gone by the time the Browns are on the board at #4.
Gun to my head, I would say Darnold and Chubb.
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My perspective on Tyrod is a little different than the OP's and I am also a Bills fan that watched every game he played. In the 3 years he started if the team fell behind by 10 points at any point in the game we never came back. He has 1 300 yard passing game in his career and it took OT to get it. TT is a team guy and a hard worker but... Most games he throws for under 200 yards and doesn't see guys running wide open. Landry is a great WR but TT won't be able to utilize him correctly because he rarely throws over the middle and never throws anyone open. He also holds on to the ball longer than any QB in the league causing many many sacks.
http://www.wgr550.com/articles/opinion/dear-browns-fans
Luckily for you guys he's just a backup plan for the guy that you will end up drafting. In our case he was "the guy" and he's nothing more than a bridge/backup in reality.
My perspective on Tyrod is a little different than the OP's and I am also a Bills fan that watched every game he played. In the 3 years he started if the team fell behind by 10 points at any point in the game we never came back. He has 1 300 yard passing game in his career and it took OT to get it. TT is a team guy and a hard worker but... Most games he throws for under 200 yards and doesn't see guys running wide open. Landry is a great WR but TT won't be able to utilize him correctly because he rarely throws over the middle and never throws anyone open. He also holds on to the ball longer than any QB in the league causing many many sacks.
http://www.wgr550.com/articles/opinion/dear-browns-fans
Luckily for you guys he's just a backup plan for the guy that you will end up drafting. In our case he was "the guy" and he's nothing more than a bridge/backup in reality.
Well....he does take a lot of sacks. Was that his fault....or the result of a pretty bad OL? On the other hand, he threw very few picks. Our guy last year could almost always be counted on to throw an interception at a critical time. I think the Browns easily could have won 4-5 games if Kizer had the same TD/INT ratio as Taylor. But, if that were the case, he would still be here and Taylor would not.
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My perspective on Tyrod is a little different than the OP's and I am also a Bills fan that watched every game he played. In the 3 years he started if the team fell behind by 10 points at any point in the game we never came back. He has 1 300 yard passing game in his career and it took OT to get it. TT is a team guy and a hard worker but... Most games he throws for under 200 yards and doesn't see guys running wide open. Landry is a great WR but TT won't be able to utilize him correctly because he rarely throws over the middle and never throws anyone open. He also holds on to the ball longer than any QB in the league causing many many sacks.
http://www.wgr550.com/articles/opinion/dear-browns-fans
Luckily for you guys he's just a backup plan for the guy that you will end up drafting. In our case he was "the guy" and he's nothing more than a bridge/backup in reality.
Well....he does take a lot of sacks. Was that his fault....or the result of a pretty bad OL? On the other hand, he threw very few picks. Our guy last year could almost always be counted on to throw an interception at a critical time. I think the Browns easily could have won 4-5 games if Kizer had the same TD/INT ratio as Taylor. But, if that were the case, he would still be here and Taylor would not.
Well....he does take a lot of sacks. Was that his fault....or the result of a pretty bad OL? On the other hand, he threw very few picks. Our guy last year could almost always be counted on to throw an interception at a critical time. I think the Browns easily could have won 4-5 games if Kizer had the same TD/INT ratio as Taylor. But, if that were the case, he would still be here and Taylor would not.
It's not the OL he holds the ball for a very long time I think the number was 3.71 seconds ( I may be off on that a bit) if he sees the guy and he is wide open he will throw it but he has no anticipation throws. He doesn't throw picks because he doesn't throw it. He had 8 games where he threw for less than 200 yards last season. He threw for 56 yards vs the Saints. He threw for more than 250 yards 3 times. Again I agree he's better as a stop gap/bridge than Kizer. But he's nothing more than a .500 or below QB. I'm excited for your QB of the future and happy TT isn't with us anymore.
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Well....he does take a lot of sacks. Was that his fault....or the result of a pretty bad OL? On the other hand, he threw very few picks. Our guy last year could almost always be counted on to throw an interception at a critical time. I think the Browns easily could have won 4-5 games if Kizer had the same TD/INT ratio as Taylor. But, if that were the case, he would still be here and Taylor would not.
It's not the OL he holds the ball for a very long time I think the number was 3.71 seconds ( I may be off on that a bit) if he sees the guy and he is wide open he will throw it but he has no anticipation throws. He doesn't throw picks because he doesn't throw it. He had 8 games where he threw for less than 200 yards last season. He threw for 56 yards vs the Saints. He threw for more than 250 yards 3 times. Again I agree he's better as a stop gap/bridge than Kizer. But he's nothing more than a .500 or below QB. I'm excited for your QB of the future and happy TT isn't with us anymore.
It's not the OL he holds the ball for a very long time I think the number was 3.71 seconds ( I may be off on that a bit) if he sees the guy and he is wide open he will throw it but he has no anticipation throws. He doesn't throw picks because he doesn't throw it. He had 8 games where he threw for less than 200 yards last season. He threw for 56 yards vs the Saints. He threw for more than 250 yards 3 times. Again I agree he's better as a stop gap/bridge than Kizer. But he's nothing more than a .500 or below QB. I'm excited for your QB of the future and happy TT isn't with us anymore.
So...you think a team that has gone 1-31 the last two years couldn't do with a QB that went 22-20 for you the last 3 years? At least for a bit?
You seem to be saying that he was overly prudent with the ball? Well, maybe, but that got you a playoff spot for like the first time since Jim Kelly played, no? Well ....err....actually, I see that it was Doug Flutie.
Also....riddle me this: Who the HELL WILL be the QB of the Bills? You don't think it will be Nathan Peterman? Are the Bills going for one of the FAs? I have never heard their name in connection with the Kirk Cousins venture.
Are they going to go after Keenum, McCarron, Bridgewater, Bradford? Some other name?
Are they going to go after a QB in the draft? It seems they have to. Do they plan to take one at #21 or #22.....GOD forbid its #22!!
Or do they plan to package both picks to move up?
Do you think they are talking to the Browns for #4?
To make that trade work....on the "old" value chart.....the Bills would have to give the Browns #21, #22, plus give us back #65
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/draft/draft_trade_value.htm
Under the new "Harvard Chart".....the #21 and #65 would do. We can see how that argument could go back and forth.
https://www.bloggingtheboys.com/pages/the-harvard-trade-value-chart
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So....let's put it out there to the patrons here. The Bills are now as desperate...or even more so...as the Browns were for a QB.
Would you trade #4 overall to the Bills for #21, #22 and get back #65?
Or would you accept something less than that?
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My perspective on Tyrod is a little different than the OP's and I am also a Bills fan that watched every game he played. In the 3 years he started if the team fell behind by 10 points at any point in the game we never came back. He has 1 300 yard passing game in his career and it took OT to get it. TT is a team guy and a hard worker but... Most games he throws for under 200 yards and doesn't see guys running wide open. Landry is a great WR but TT won't be able to utilize him correctly because he rarely throws over the middle and never throws anyone open. He also holds on to the ball longer than any QB in the league causing many many sacks.
http://www.wgr550.com/articles/opinion/dear-browns-fans
Luckily for you guys he's just a backup plan for the guy that you will end up drafting. In our case he was "the guy" and he's nothing more than a bridge/backup in reality.
My perspective on Tyrod is a little different than the OP's and I am also a Bills fan that watched every game he played. In the 3 years he started if the team fell behind by 10 points at any point in the game we never came back. He has 1 300 yard passing game in his career and it took OT to get it. TT is a team guy and a hard worker but... Most games he throws for under 200 yards and doesn't see guys running wide open. Landry is a great WR but TT won't be able to utilize him correctly because he rarely throws over the middle and never throws anyone open. He also holds on to the ball longer than any QB in the league causing many many sacks.
http://www.wgr550.com/articles/opinion/dear-browns-fans
Luckily for you guys he's just a backup plan for the guy that you will end up drafting. In our case he was "the guy" and he's nothing more than a bridge/backup in reality.
We wish you Bills fans well. We can take a year of Taylor compared to the horrible stench Kizer left on the field on a regular basis. We probably would have won a game or four last year if Deshone hadn't been a turnover machine- especially in the Red Zone.
So I have to ask- what's the plan now in Buffalo at the quarterback position? Stay put, and probably take the #4-5 quarterback, try to move up, or make a play for Keenum or one of the other FA qBs?
So....let's put it out there to the patrons here. The Bills are now as desperate...or even more so...as the Browns were for a QB.
Would you trade #4 overall to the Bills for #21, #22 and get back #65?
Or would you accept something less than that?
No, I wan't MORE than that Gip. We totally blew the picks we got trading down from Julio Jones, and at least this year, I don't want a repeat. I'll trade down- but no lower than the Jets pick.
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I'd rather see them get two blue chippers at #1 than any other scenario.
What would 21 and 22 get us? One of the non-Barkley RBs. Maybe Josh Jackson CB Iowa....if they are still looking for a CB. They got one....and may get another in FA.
NO OTs seem first round worthy...fair to say?
A DE/OLB?
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We now have 12 and 22 we traded with the Bengals. Hopefully we pick the right guy. The Bills have been in QB hell for a very long time.
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We now have 12 and 22 we traded with the Bengals. Hopefully we pick the right guy. The Bills have been in QB hell for a very long time.
We now have 12 and 22 we traded with the Bengals. Hopefully we pick the right guy. The Bills have been in QB hell for a very long time.
Just saw that- answers my question what the Bills are intending. But- will you be happy with say Josh Allen? MHO is that's all that's going to be left at #12. You may well have to package #12 and #22 to move up higher- as the Eagles did to land one of the top 3.
EDIT: In theory, the #12 and #22 is a fair trade for our #4. To get to the Colts #3, they'd have to offer more. Stay tuned, it's starting to get interesting.
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Drafting a quarterback in the top 5 to match up well with the bum you just got from the scrapheap (but paid a high price for) is like buying a brand new car because it matches the seat covers in your old beater.
WSS
Not that I think Taylor's a bum ...
But I agree the idea of quarterback "pairings" is stupid.
Signing Taylor doesn't mean we are drafting Mayfield. It means he found him to be the best available bridge QB.
I'm pretty sure Todd Haley can draw gameplans for big strong-armed QBs too.
Zombo
Zombo said:
Not that I think Taylor's a bum ...
But I agree the idea of quarterback "pairings" is stupid.
Signing Taylor doesn't mean we are drafting Mayfield. It means he found him to be the best available bridge QB.
I'm pretty sure Todd Haley can draw gameplans for big strong-armed QBs too.
Zombo
also could be that they were worried about a F.A Q.B may not want to play for the Browns unless we threw mad cash at him
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We now have 12 and 22 we traded with the Bengals. Hopefully we pick the right guy. The Bills have been in QB hell for a very long time.
We now have 12 and 22 we traded with the Bengals. Hopefully we pick the right guy. The Bills have been in QB hell for a very long time.
"WE" ? Do you have a mouse in your pocket? You mean the Bills.....(assuming you don't draw a paycheck from them).
But you are still in the same boat as the Browns were: needing both a veteran bridge QB plus a top prospect...which I think you can now get.
Who is your Golden Gate? Your Mackinac? Your Royal Gorge? Your New River?
I think this puts you in the Sam Bradford/Josh McCown Sweepstakes.....where we were just a few days ago.
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We now have 12 and 22 we traded with the Bengals. Hopefully we pick the right guy. The Bills have been in QB hell for a very long time.
Just saw that- answers my question what the Bills are intending. But- will you be happy with say Josh Allen? MHO is that's all that's going to be left at #12. You may well have to package #12 and #22 to move up higher- as the Eagles did to land one of the top 3.
EDIT: In theory, the #12 and #22 is a fair trade for our #4. To get to the Colts #3, they'd have to offer more. Stay tuned, it's starting to get interesting.
Just saw that- answers my question what the Bills are intending. But- will you be happy with say Josh Allen? MHO is that's all that's going to be left at #12. You may well have to package #12 and #22 to move up higher- as the Eagles did to land one of the top 3.
EDIT: In theory, the #12 and #22 is a fair trade for our #4. To get to the Colts #3, they'd have to offer more. Stay tuned, it's starting to get interesting.
#3 is 2200 pts on the Traditional draft value chart. As noted elsewhere #12 and #22 add up to 1980. Now Buffalo would have to sweeten the pot to the tune of 220 pts. They throw in #65....and they are right there....even a bit much.
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We now have 12 and 22 we traded with the Bengals. Hopefully we pick the right guy. The Bills have been in QB hell for a very long time.
"WE" ? Do you have a mouse in your pocket? You mean the Bills.....(assuming you don't draw a paycheck from them).
But you are still in the same boat as the Browns were: needing both a veteran bridge QB plus a top prospect...which I think you can now get.
Who is your Golden Gate? Your Mackinac? Your Royal Gorge? Your New River?
I think this puts you in the Sam Bradford/Josh McCown Sweepstakes.....where we were just a few days ago.
"WE" ? Do you have a mouse in your pocket? You mean the Bills.....(assuming you don't draw a paycheck from them).
But you are still in the same boat as the Browns were: needing both a veteran bridge QB plus a top prospect...which I think you can now get.
Who is your Golden Gate? Your Mackinac? Your Royal Gorge? Your New River?
I think this puts you in the Sam Bradford/Josh McCown Sweepstakes.....where we were just a few days ago.
That's been the case since Jim Kelly. You don't have a 17 year playoff drought with a good QB
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"WE" ? Do you have a mouse in your pocket? You mean the Bills.....(assuming you don't draw a paycheck from them).
But you are still in the same boat as the Browns were: needing both a veteran bridge QB plus a top prospect...which I think you can now get.
Who is your Golden Gate? Your Mackinac? Your Royal Gorge? Your New River?
I think this puts you in the Sam Bradford/Josh McCown Sweepstakes.....where we were just a few days ago.
That's been the case since Jim Kelly. You don't have a 17 year playoff drought with a good QB
That's been the case since Jim Kelly. You don't have a 17 year playoff drought with a good QB
But apparently you end it with a bad one.
Zombo
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