Tyrod from a Bills Fan's Perspective
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"WE" ? Do you have a mouse in your pocket? You mean the Bills.....(assuming you don't draw a paycheck from them).
But you are still in the same boat as the Browns were: needing both a veteran bridge QB plus a top prospect...which I think you can now get.
Who is your Golden Gate? Your Mackinac? Your Royal Gorge? Your New River?
I think this puts you in the Sam Bradford/Josh McCown Sweepstakes.....where we were just a few days ago.
That's been the case since Jim Kelly. You don't have a 17 year playoff drought with a good QB
That's been the case since Jim Kelly. You don't have a 17 year playoff drought with a good QB
So...by your definition the guy that broke the playoff drought would have to be a good QB. Right? And that is just what TT did, no?
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That's been the case since Jim Kelly. You don't have a 17 year playoff drought with a good QB
So...by your definition the guy that broke the playoff drought would have to be a good QB. Right? And that is just what TT did, no?
So...by your definition the guy that broke the playoff drought would have to be a good QB. Right? And that is just what TT did, no?
If you watched Billsgames you would know that 3 or four games were won on an interception/fumble recovery by the defense. I'm not saying TT is bad but he's mediocre at best. If the Bills had an average QB vs. the Jags they win that playoff game. I already threw this stat out there and it seems like you don't mind it but 8 games he threw for less than 200 yards and he had a 56 yard game in one of those and 65 in another. If that's your definition of good I can argue with you. But to me that's awful.
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So...by your definition the guy that broke the playoff drought would have to be a good QB. Right? And that is just what TT did, no?
If you watched Billsgames you would know that 3 or four games were won on an interception/fumble recovery by the defense. I'm not saying TT is bad but he's mediocre at best. If the Bills had an average QB vs. the Jags they win that playoff game. I already threw this stat out there and it seems like you don't mind it but 8 games he threw for less than 200 yards and he had a 56 yard game in one of those and 65 in another. If that's your definition of good I can argue with you. But to me that's awful.
If you watched Billsgames you would know that 3 or four games were won on an interception/fumble recovery by the defense. I'm not saying TT is bad but he's mediocre at best. If the Bills had an average QB vs. the Jags they win that playoff game. I already threw this stat out there and it seems like you don't mind it but 8 games he threw for less than 200 yards and he had a 56 yard game in one of those and 65 in another. If that's your definition of good I can argue with you. But to me that's awful.
My definition of good is a playoff berth....an 8-6 record. By comparison to 1-31 that is good.
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So...by your definition the guy that broke the playoff drought would have to be a good QB. Right? And that is just what TT did, no?
If you watched Billsgames you would know that 3 or four games were won on an interception/fumble recovery by the defense. I'm not saying TT is bad but he's mediocre at best. If the Bills had an average QB vs. the Jags they win that playoff game. I already threw this stat out there and it seems like you don't mind it but 8 games he threw for less than 200 yards and he had a 56 yard game in one of those and 65 in another. If that's your definition of good I can argue with you. But to me that's awful.
If you watched Billsgames you would know that 3 or four games were won on an interception/fumble recovery by the defense. I'm not saying TT is bad but he's mediocre at best. If the Bills had an average QB vs. the Jags they win that playoff game. I already threw this stat out there and it seems like you don't mind it but 8 games he threw for less than 200 yards and he had a 56 yard game in one of those and 65 in another. If that's your definition of good I can argue with you. But to me that's awful.
I totally agree with Gipper, Taylor may at best be "average" but let me enlighten you about the absolute garbage Kizer inflicted on long suffering Browns fans last year. Deshone had six games where he threw multiple picks, (three twice against the Ravens and Colts- the Indy game was very winnable minus those ) only one game where he was interception free. Eight games where his QBR was under a pathetic 55. Numerous deep passes where he had WRs open for certain touchdowns, and young DK couldn't get the ball in the same area code.
Tyrod is Aaron Rodgers in comparison to Kizer.
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My perspective on Tyrod is a little different than the OP's and I am also a Bills fan that watched every game he played. In the 3 years he started if the team fell behind by 10 points at any point in the game we never came back. He has 1 300 yard passing game in his career and it took OT to get it. TT is a team guy and a hard worker but... Most games he throws for under 200 yards and doesn't see guys running wide open. Landry is a great WR but TT won't be able to utilize him correctly because he rarely throws over the middle and never throws anyone open. He also holds on to the ball longer than any QB in the league causing many many sacks.
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Luckily for you guys he's just a backup plan for the guy that you will end up drafting. In our case he was "the guy" and he's nothing more than a bridge/backup in reality.
We wish you Bills fans well. We can take a year of Taylor compared to the horrible stench Kizer left on the field on a regular basis. We probably would have won a game or four last year if Deshone hadn't been a turnover machine- especially in the Red Zone.
So I have to ask- what's the plan now in Buffalo at the quarterback position? Stay put, and probably take the #4-5 quarterback, try to move up, or make a play for Keenum or one of the other FA qBs?
So....let's put it out there to the patrons here. The Bills are now as desperate...or even more so...as the Browns were for a QB.
Would you trade #4 overall to the Bills for #21, #22 and get back #65?
Or would you accept something less than that?
No, I wan't MORE than that Gip. We totally blew the picks we got trading down from Julio Jones, and at least this year, I don't want a repeat. I'll trade down- but no lower than the Jets pick.
No, I wan't MORE than that Gip. We totally blew the picks we got trading down from Julio Jones, and at least this year, I don't want a repeat. I'll trade down- but no lower than the Jets pick.
We got fleeced by the Falcons that year
that being said, Tyrod is a legit bridge QB. Has sick athleticism, and is light years better than Kizer at his current stage. He can hit WR's and run for the first down. This way we don't have to rush our Rookie QB, but I'm troubled, because what if our Rookie QB is ready week 1, or what if Tyrod gets injured and we have to throw him out there.
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No, I wan't MORE than that Gip. We totally blew the picks we got trading down from Julio Jones, and at least this year, I don't want a repeat. I'll trade down- but no lower than the Jets pick.
We got fleeced by the Falcons that year
that being said, Tyrod is a legit bridge QB. Has sick athleticism, and is light years better than Kizer at his current stage. He can hit WR's and run for the first down. This way we don't have to rush our Rookie QB, but I'm troubled, because what if our Rookie QB is ready week 1, or what if Tyrod gets injured and we have to throw him out there.
We got fleeced by the Falcons that year
that being said, Tyrod is a legit bridge QB. Has sick athleticism, and is light years better than Kizer at his current stage. He can hit WR's and run for the first down. This way we don't have to rush our Rookie QB, but I'm troubled, because what if our Rookie QB is ready week 1, or what if Tyrod gets injured and we have to throw him out there.
LOL, I'll give you Po's response. HOGAN!!! HOGAN!!! HOGAN!!!!
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I'm cool with Taylor as the bridge QB, but it's going to be interesting how he's viewed here come September.
From what I've heard from Buffalo writers who covered him, he gets sacked a ton because he holds onto the ball forever.
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I'm cool with Taylor as the bridge QB, but it's going to be interesting how he's viewed here come September.
From what I've heard from Buffalo writers who covered him, he gets sacked a ton because he holds onto the ball forever.
I'm cool with Taylor as the bridge QB, but it's going to be interesting how he's viewed here come September.
From what I've heard from Buffalo writers who covered him, he gets sacked a ton because he holds onto the ball forever.
Johnson landry and Gordon should help with that
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I'm cool with Taylor as the bridge QB, but it's going to be interesting how he's viewed here come September.
From what I've heard from Buffalo writers who covered him, he gets sacked a ton because he holds onto the ball forever.
I'm cool with Taylor as the bridge QB, but it's going to be interesting how he's viewed here come September.
From what I've heard from Buffalo writers who covered him, he gets sacked a ton because he holds onto the ball forever.
I think the Browns may have a better overall offensive line...so that may help some. Plus, now, I think the Browns will have a lot of "Outlet" options: Duke, Landry, Njoku, Devalve....maybe even Hyde. Not sure he had that in Buff. But, OK, he probably holds the ball too long and takes sacks. Better than the ints. the last guy kept pitching though.
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I'm cool with Taylor as the bridge QB, but it's going to be interesting how he's viewed here come September.
From what I've heard from Buffalo writers who covered him, he gets sacked a ton because he holds onto the ball forever.
I think the Browns may have a better overall offensive line...so that may help some. Plus, now, I think the Browns will have a lot of "Outlet" options: Duke, Landry, Njoku, Devalve....maybe even Hyde. Not sure he had that in Buff. But, OK, he probably holds the ball too long and takes sacks. Better than the ints. the last guy kept pitching though.
I think the Browns may have a better overall offensive line...so that may help some. Plus, now, I think the Browns will have a lot of "Outlet" options: Duke, Landry, Njoku, Devalve....maybe even Hyde. Not sure he had that in Buff. But, OK, he probably holds the ball too long and takes sacks. Better than the ints. the last guy kept pitching though.
The weapons the Browns have surrounded TT with can't hurt. I'm not sure if his height is the issue but he misses open guys very often and ends up checking it down to the RB or taking a sack.
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I think the Browns may have a better overall offensive line...so that may help some. Plus, now, I think the Browns will have a lot of "Outlet" options: Duke, Landry, Njoku, Devalve....maybe even Hyde. Not sure he had that in Buff. But, OK, he probably holds the ball too long and takes sacks. Better than the ints. the last guy kept pitching though.
The weapons the Browns have surrounded TT with can't hurt. I'm not sure if his height is the issue but he misses open guys very often and ends up checking it down to the RB or taking a sack.
The weapons the Browns have surrounded TT with can't hurt. I'm not sure if his height is the issue but he misses open guys very often and ends up checking it down to the RB or taking a sack.
There were dozens of times that we wish that Hue had taught Kizer to throw to the check down back. Either Hue didn't teach it....or Kizer could not learn to do so...or he panicked.
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