From nobody to the top of the first round of the draft - Josh Allen

[TexasAg1969]

@nero said:

Anyone who read all what Cal wrote on this thread should be paid... It's up to an hour of hard work. 

If you think this is delusional, try that "other" board.

EDIT: And is there any truth to the rumor that Wyoming really is the mythical "deep state"?🥷

[jbluhm86]

@nero said:

Anyone who read all what Cal wrote on this thread should be paid... It's up to an hour of hard work. 

You should come visit us over on the Pol Board. All of the threads are short, to the point, and stay on topic. 

[boo fagley]

@calfoxwc said:

"Since Josh Allen has already proven to scouts that he can read defenses, call plays and perform three, five and seven-step drops, he is leagues ahead of his peers, and is ultimately a much safer bet to have a successful pro career. "

His throws are effortless.

Like throwing darts. He has great mobility but needs to work on footwork.

[boo fagley]

@nero said:

Anyone who read all what Cal wrote on this thread should be paid... It's up to an hour of hard work. 

Thanks Cal for providing all this info.

I read it all.

[TexasAg1969]

@boo-fagley said:

Thanks Cal for providing all this info.

I read it all.

So how are things going for you guys down on the "ward" anyway?

[LogicIsForSquares]

@londonbrown said:

A big armed inaccurate QB coming out of college 

I and the Browns made this mistake with Kizer let’s not do it again. I won’t be. 

Browns fans have seen this movie a few times and it sucks. 

[calfoxwc]

Have no fear, those with frail heart, (and TexVag with frail mind), Allen has the highest upside.

So he has stuff to work on - so does every one of the qb's in this draft. He doesn't throw like Kizer or wheedumb.

He throws like nobody else - and he IS a ***Football*** player. I assume, and have read by experts in listening to experts, lol,

that footwork is far easier to coach/fix than delivery. And even TexAggrated knows that you can't fix stupid, he suffers from it.

   Coaches like Norv Turner know better than any of us - and here is what he said about fixing a qb's accuracy:

http://www.sportingnews.com/ca/nfl/news/norv-turner-carolina-panthers-offense-cam-newton-accuracy/h8e2suhs97i19wf0pmrb7ebi

Published on Jan. 23, 2018

And help for the quarterback is exactly what Carolina needs. One of Newton’s biggest knocks against him has been his accuracy issues, which Turner says can be fixed more ways than one.

"I think there’s some technical things in the drop, in the vision, where you’re looking, when you’re looking that we can help and get the ball out quicker," Turner said. "We can help with his accuracy and then continue to find the things he does best and let him do those."

      Hey, it's good to read - you learn stuff. Well, except for TexAgg - he has serious trouble with that.

Oh, and just for Tour:

about this article - note the date, your heinous.

When the Panthers hired Norv Turner as their new offensive coordinator, they did so with the idea that he could inject some life into Cam Newton’s career and Carolina’s offense.

While there are plenty of improvements to make to a unit that has lacked consistency over recent seasons, Turner, in an interview for the team’s official website, said there’s a lot that can be built upon."To be successful in this league, I think it’s proven that you have to be able to run the ball," Turner said Monday. “Whether it's a power run or a finesse run, you need to be able to run the football.

"If you can do that, it makes life a lot easier on the quarterback; it helps your defense, it helps your team."

And help for the quarterback is exactly what Carolina needs. One of Newton’s biggest knocks against him has been his accuracy issues, which Turner says can be fixed more ways than one.

"I think there’s some technical things in the drop, in the vision, where you’re looking, when you’re looking that we can help and get the ball out quicker," Turner said. "We can help with his accuracy and then continue to find the things he does best and let him do those."

Getting the ball out quicker is one way the Panthers have tried to help their quarterback, and it was one of the principals that led to the team drafting running back Christian McCaffrey in the first round of last years' draft.

McCaffrey and a reliable target like Greg Olsen are keys to what Turner wants to do and will help with the transition to the new offense.

"He had an unbelievable rookie year and did a lot more than a lot of people would be asked to do and handled them all," Turner said of McCaffrey. "He lined up everywhere you could line up, which is hard for a rookie.

"He’s got such talent, you’re just going to keep finding ways to get him the ball and try to create more space for him."

Turner also mentioned receivers Devin Funchess and Curtis Samuel as players who already have a solid base of talent to improve upon, and they will have opportunities to fill vital roles in the offense. The key for them will be utilizing their speed and getting the ball into their hands.

Although the broad offensive philosophy won't be drastically changing, the new ideas coming in with Turner could be just what Carolina’s offense needs to push it over the top and provide some much-needed consistency.

Jblewrosen and TexAggravated can't keep their forums straight. Limited vision and short term memory problems?

[Nero]

@jbluhm86 said:

You should come visit us over on the Pol Board. All of the threads are short, to the point, and stay on topic. 

I am hispanic, catholic and I read a lot about History.  I know I would fit perfectly there, but I'll pass.

[calfoxwc]

@nero said:

I am hispanic, catholic and I read a lot about History.  I know I would fit perfectly there, but I'll pass.

I'd give up a 2nd, a 3rd, and a first round pick next year if you'd come and replace jblew. He doesn't know anything about anything.

[dawg2fan]

Thanks Cal for you post.  I really appreciate your highlighting (in Bold Red) the updated stats above.  As you know, I've been pushing for either Allen or Darnold as my favorites (but Allen first).  I also see you posted they were roommates above, nice.  I'll be a Browns fan regardless of whether they pick one of these QBs at 1, but it would make my day if they do.  Let Taylor start the first 2 years so they can learn, then bring that QB in.  **Something Kizer never got**  * (Sorry Dawg fans, just what I believe). 

[boo fagley]

@nero said:

I am hispanic, catholic and I read a lot about History.  I know I would fit perfectly there, but I'll pass.

You would be welcome if you MAGA.

[boo fagley]

@dawg2fan said:

Thanks Cal for you post.  I really appreciate your highlighting (in Bold Red) the updated stats above.  As you know, I've been pushing for either Allen or Darnold as my favorites (but Allen first).  I also see you posted they were roommates above, nice.  I'll be a Browns fan regardless of whether they pick one of these QBs at 1, but it would make my day if they do.  Let Taylor start the first 2 years so they can learn, then bring that QB in.  **Something Kizer never got**  * (Sorry Dawg fans, just what I believe). 

Exactly right.

Taylor is the guy playing this season unless he is lying in the hospital. The 1 or 4 pick will see limited regular season action and not be thrown to the wolves in his first NFL season. Barkley is there at 1 and Allen will be there at 4. You can win now and prepare for the future when Allen is ready.

[boo fagley]

@texasag1969 said:

So how are things going for you guys down on the "ward" anyway?

Things are great over in the Allen camp.

How is it over at the Rosen camp? Did he get his gold jacket yet?

[mjp28]

@boo-fagley said:

Thanks Cal for providing all this info.

I read it all.

Boo so how much black coffee did you drink, really? 

[Nero]

@boo-fagley said:

You would be welcome if you MAGA.

Make A Good Accent?

[calfoxwc]

@dawg2fan said:

Thanks Cal for you post.  I really appreciate your highlighting (in Bold Red) the updated stats above.  As you know, I've been pushing for either Allen or Darnold as my favorites (but Allen first).  I also see you posted they were roommates above, nice.  I'll be a Browns fan regardless of whether they pick one of these QBs at 1, but it would make my day if they do.  Let Taylor start the first 2 years so they can learn, then bring that QB in.  **Something Kizer never got**  * (Sorry Dawg fans, just what I believe). 

Thanks, man ! It's just what I see. None of us is an expert - for most of us, it's fun to try to figure it out - then the draft comes, and everybody on the planet is mostly wrong about what teams picked what players. I'm delighted we didn't go the Kirk Cousins route.

Taylor is no dummy - he's a smart gutsy qb - should be fun to watch this season. and this next draft, ...whoa...is going to be amazing and fun to watch unfold.

[calfoxwc]

@boo-fagley said:

Things are great over in the Allen camp.

How is it over at the Rosen camp? Did he get his gold jacket yet?

Camp Rosen not lookin too rosy. They are waiting to be disappointed.

[SD_Tom]

Like Darnold or Mayfield or Rosen or Jackson can't work on their accuracy and skills too? Only Allen can improve apparently.  Everyone else will stay the same or get worse. 

[The Gipper]

[calfoxwc]

@sd_tom said:

Like Darnold or Mayfield or Rosen or Jackson can't work on their accuracy and skills too? Only Allen can improve apparently.  Everyone else will stay the same or get worse. 

nobody ever said that. Rosen's love for the game, lack of leadership skills, and arrogance is what he needs to work on - for starters.....and that has been reinforced since he was a little kid. You can't coach away stupid, either. So, you admit the others can grow and develop, but Allen can't? He has the highest ceiling. He has the ability to throw the ball like no one else in the draft. That doesn't mean he achieves that ceiling, but he is similar to Mayfield in his work ethic, and being passed over earlier in their careers.

    His love for the game, his work ethic is off the charts, just like Mayfield. Let's say Allen gets his footwork all settled, and ends up being outstanding in accuracy...wouldn't you want to draft this kid #1 ?