From nobody to the top of the first round of the draft - Josh Allen
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Thanks Cal for providing all this info.
I read it all.
So how are things going for you guys down on the "ward" anyway?
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A big armed inaccurate QB coming out of college
I and the Browns made this mistake with Kizer let’s not do it again. I won’t be.
A big armed inaccurate QB coming out of college
I and the Browns made this mistake with Kizer let’s not do it again. I won’t be.
Browns fans have seen this movie a few times and it sucks.
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Have no fear, those with frail heart, (and TexVag with frail mind), Allen has the highest upside.
So he has stuff to work on - so does every one of the qb's in this draft. He doesn't throw like Kizer or wheedumb.
He throws like nobody else - and he IS a ***Football*** player. I assume, and have read by experts in listening to experts, lol,
that footwork is far easier to coach/fix than delivery. And even TexAggrated knows that you can't fix stupid, he suffers from it.
Coaches like Norv Turner know better than any of us - and here is what he said about fixing a qb's accuracy:
Published on Jan. 23, 2018
And help for the quarterback is exactly what Carolina needs. One of Newton’s biggest knocks against him has been his accuracy issues, which Turner says can be fixed more ways than one.
"I think there’s some technical things in the drop, in the vision, where you’re looking, when you’re looking that we can help and get the ball out quicker," Turner said. "We can help with his accuracy and then continue to find the things he does best and let him do those."
Hey, it's good to read - you learn stuff. Well, except for TexAgg - he has serious trouble with that.
Oh, and just for Tour:
about this article - note the date, your heinous.
When the Panthers hired Norv Turner as their new offensive coordinator, they did so with the idea that he could inject some life into Cam Newton’s career and Carolina’s offense.
While there are plenty of improvements to make to a unit that has lacked consistency over recent seasons, Turner, in an interview for the team’s official website, said there’s a lot that can be built upon."To be successful in this league, I think it’s proven that you have to be able to run the ball," Turner said Monday. “Whether it's a power run or a finesse run, you need to be able to run the football.
"If you can do that, it makes life a lot easier on the quarterback; it helps your defense, it helps your team."
And help for the quarterback is exactly what Carolina needs. One of Newton’s biggest knocks against him has been his accuracy issues, which Turner says can be fixed more ways than one.
"I think there’s some technical things in the drop, in the vision, where you’re looking, when you’re looking that we can help and get the ball out quicker," Turner said. "We can help with his accuracy and then continue to find the things he does best and let him do those."
Getting the ball out quicker is one way the Panthers have tried to help their quarterback, and it was one of the principals that led to the team drafting running back Christian McCaffrey in the first round of last years' draft.McCaffrey and a reliable target like Greg Olsen are keys to what Turner wants to do and will help with the transition to the new offense.
"He had an unbelievable rookie year and did a lot more than a lot of people would be asked to do and handled them all," Turner said of McCaffrey. "He lined up everywhere you could line up, which is hard for a rookie.
"He’s got such talent, you’re just going to keep finding ways to get him the ball and try to create more space for him."
Turner also mentioned receivers Devin Funchess and Curtis Samuel as players who already have a solid base of talent to improve upon, and they will have opportunities to fill vital roles in the offense. The key for them will be utilizing their speed and getting the ball into their hands.
Although the broad offensive philosophy won't be drastically changing, the new ideas coming in with Turner could be just what Carolina’s offense needs to push it over the top and provide some much-needed consistency.
Jblewrosen and TexAggravated can't keep their forums straight. Limited vision and short term memory problems?
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I am hispanic, catholic and I read a lot about History. I know I would fit perfectly there, but I'll pass.
I'd give up a 2nd, a 3rd, and a first round pick next year if you'd come and replace jblew. He doesn't know anything about anything.
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Thanks Cal for you post. I really appreciate your highlighting (in Bold Red) the updated stats above. As you know, I've been pushing for either Allen or Darnold as my favorites (but Allen first). I also see you posted they were roommates above, nice. I'll be a Browns fan regardless of whether they pick one of these QBs at 1, but it would make my day if they do. Let Taylor start the first 2 years so they can learn, then bring that QB in. **Something Kizer never got** * (Sorry Dawg fans, just what I believe).
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I am hispanic, catholic and I read a lot about History. I know I would fit perfectly there, but I'll pass.
You would be welcome if you MAGA.
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Thanks Cal for you post. I really appreciate your highlighting (in Bold Red) the updated stats above. As you know, I've been pushing for either Allen or Darnold as my favorites (but Allen first). I also see you posted they were roommates above, nice. I'll be a Browns fan regardless of whether they pick one of these QBs at 1, but it would make my day if they do. Let Taylor start the first 2 years so they can learn, then bring that QB in. **Something Kizer never got** * (Sorry Dawg fans, just what I believe).
Thanks Cal for you post. I really appreciate your highlighting (in Bold Red) the updated stats above. As you know, I've been pushing for either Allen or Darnold as my favorites (but Allen first). I also see you posted they were roommates above, nice. I'll be a Browns fan regardless of whether they pick one of these QBs at 1, but it would make my day if they do. Let Taylor start the first 2 years so they can learn, then bring that QB in. **Something Kizer never got** * (Sorry Dawg fans, just what I believe).
Exactly right.
Taylor is the guy playing this season unless he is lying in the hospital. The 1 or 4 pick will see limited regular season action and not be thrown to the wolves in his first NFL season. Barkley is there at 1 and Allen will be there at 4. You can win now and prepare for the future when Allen is ready.
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Thanks Cal for providing all this info.
I read it all.
So how are things going for you guys down on the "ward" anyway?
So how are things going for you guys down on the "ward" anyway?
Things are great over in the Allen camp.
How is it over at the Rosen camp? Did he get his gold jacket yet?
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Thanks Cal for providing all this info.
I read it all.
Boo so how much black coffee did you drink, really?
GO BUCKEYES, BROWNS, INDIANS, CAVS, YSU, NAVY and yes I like ND! -
You would be welcome if you MAGA.
Make A Good Accent?
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Thanks Cal for you post. I really appreciate your highlighting (in Bold Red) the updated stats above. As you know, I've been pushing for either Allen or Darnold as my favorites (but Allen first). I also see you posted they were roommates above, nice. I'll be a Browns fan regardless of whether they pick one of these QBs at 1, but it would make my day if they do. Let Taylor start the first 2 years so they can learn, then bring that QB in. **Something Kizer never got** * (Sorry Dawg fans, just what I believe).
Thanks Cal for you post. I really appreciate your highlighting (in Bold Red) the updated stats above. As you know, I've been pushing for either Allen or Darnold as my favorites (but Allen first). I also see you posted they were roommates above, nice. I'll be a Browns fan regardless of whether they pick one of these QBs at 1, but it would make my day if they do. Let Taylor start the first 2 years so they can learn, then bring that QB in. **Something Kizer never got** * (Sorry Dawg fans, just what I believe).
Thanks, man ! It's just what I see. None of us is an expert - for most of us, it's fun to try to figure it out - then the draft comes, and everybody on the planet is mostly wrong about what teams picked what players. I'm delighted we didn't go the Kirk Cousins route.
Taylor is no dummy - he's a smart gutsy qb - should be fun to watch this season. and this next draft, ...whoa...is going to be amazing and fun to watch unfold.
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So how are things going for you guys down on the "ward" anyway?
Things are great over in the Allen camp.
How is it over at the Rosen camp? Did he get his gold jacket yet?
Things are great over in the Allen camp.
How is it over at the Rosen camp? Did he get his gold jacket yet?
Camp Rosen not lookin too rosy. They are waiting to be disappointed.
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Like Darnold or Mayfield or Rosen or Jackson can't work on their accuracy and skills too? Only Allen can improve apparently. Everyone else will stay the same or get worse.
Like Darnold or Mayfield or Rosen or Jackson can't work on their accuracy and skills too? Only Allen can improve apparently. Everyone else will stay the same or get worse.
nobody ever said that. Rosen's love for the game, lack of leadership skills, and arrogance is what he needs to work on - for starters.....and that has been reinforced since he was a little kid. You can't coach away stupid, either. So, you admit the others can grow and develop, but Allen can't? He has the highest ceiling. He has the ability to throw the ball like no one else in the draft. That doesn't mean he achieves that ceiling, but he is similar to Mayfield in his work ethic, and being passed over earlier in their careers.
His love for the game, his work ethic is off the charts, just like Mayfield. Let's say Allen gets his footwork all settled, and ends up being outstanding in accuracy...wouldn't you want to draft this kid #1 ?
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Like Darnold or Mayfield or Rosen or Jackson can't work on their accuracy and skills too? Only Allen can improve apparently. Everyone else will stay the same or get worse.
nobody ever said that. Rosen's love for the game, lack of leadership skills, and arrogance is what he needs to work on - for starters.....and that has been reinforced since he was a little kid. You can't coach away stupid, either. So, you admit the others can grow and develop, but Allen can't? He has the highest ceiling. He has the ability to throw the ball like no one else in the draft. That doesn't mean he achieves that ceiling, but he is similar to Mayfield in his work ethic, and being passed over earlier in their careers.
His love for the game, his work ethic is off the charts, just like Mayfield. Let's say Allen gets his footwork all settled, and ends up being outstanding in accuracy...wouldn't you want to draft this kid #1 ?
nobody ever said that. Rosen's love for the game, lack of leadership skills, and arrogance is what he needs to work on - for starters.....and that has been reinforced since he was a little kid. You can't coach away stupid, either. So, you admit the others can grow and develop, but Allen can't? He has the highest ceiling. He has the ability to throw the ball like no one else in the draft. That doesn't mean he achieves that ceiling, but he is similar to Mayfield in his work ethic, and being passed over earlier in their careers.
His love for the game, his work ethic is off the charts, just like Mayfield. Let's say Allen gets his footwork all settled, and ends up being outstanding in accuracy...wouldn't you want to draft this kid #1 ?
You're delusional if you think Rosen is dumb. It's literally the opposite of what every single scout and coach has said
I never once said Allen can't improve. I said he's far behind the others, and from the scouts and GMs, they seem to feel Rosen is far beyond the others in terms of the skill and understanding of the game. In theory - If you at a 5, and someone else is at a 7... You're still behind unless you develop exponentially faster than they do. What if the reason they're at a higher starting level is because they learn and develop faster? It's simply have more skill? Then the guy at the lower level will never catch up.
I'd prefer not bank on upside with the #1 pick. Kizer had more upside than anyone else and he was obviously not ready. If the Browns were picking lower, Allen has obvious traits, but with the #1 pick for a team with no room for error? No thanks.
The whole... If he does this... And this and fixed this and fixed this and blah blah blah..... Then he's not Josh Allen. Or he's the fastest self reprogrammer of tendencies and thought process and biomechanics in modern athletics.
In other words - If my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle. You can only fix so much.
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nobody ever said that. Rosen's love for the game, lack of leadership skills, and arrogance is what he needs to work on - for starters.....and that has been reinforced since he was a little kid. You can't coach away stupid, either. So, you admit the others can grow and develop, but Allen can't? He has the highest ceiling. He has the ability to throw the ball like no one else in the draft. That doesn't mean he achieves that ceiling, but he is similar to Mayfield in his work ethic, and being passed over earlier in their careers.
His love for the game, his work ethic is off the charts, just like Mayfield. Let's say Allen gets his footwork all settled, and ends up being outstanding in accuracy...wouldn't you want to draft this kid #1 ?
You're delusional if you think Rosen is dumb. It's literally the opposite of what every single scout and coach has said
I never once said Allen can't improve. I said he's far behind the others, and from the scouts and GMs, they seem to feel Rosen is far beyond the others in terms of the skill and understanding of the game. In theory - If you at a 5, and someone else is at a 7... You're still behind unless you develop exponentially faster than they do. What if the reason they're at a higher starting level is because they learn and develop faster? It's simply have more skill? Then the guy at the lower level will never catch up.
I'd prefer not bank on upside with the #1 pick. Kizer had more upside than anyone else and he was obviously not ready. If the Browns were picking lower, Allen has obvious traits, but with the #1 pick for a team with no room for error? No thanks.
The whole... If he does this... And this and fixed this and fixed this and blah blah blah..... Then he's not Josh Allen. Or he's the fastest self reprogrammer of tendencies and thought process and biomechanics in modern athletics.
In other words - If my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle. You can only fix so much.
You're delusional if you think Rosen is dumb. It's literally the opposite of what every single scout and coach has said
I never said Rosen's dumb. As a matter of fact, I think he's more pro ready than any of the other QBs. But you have to think long term and I think Allen's the guy. I think he's more of a Ben Rothlessburger than any QB available, but needs more time to develop. And it's great we picked up Tyrod in FA. If we pick up Allen, I think this fan base will be very impressed.
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Like Darnold or Mayfield or Rosen or Jackson can't work on their accuracy and skills too? Only Allen can improve apparently. Everyone else will stay the same or get worse.
nobody ever said that. Rosen's love for the game, lack of leadership skills, and arrogance is what he needs to work on - for starters.....and that has been reinforced since he was a little kid. You can't coach away stupid, either. So, you admit the others can grow and develop, but Allen can't? He has the highest ceiling. He has the ability to throw the ball like no one else in the draft. That doesn't mean he achieves that ceiling, but he is similar to Mayfield in his work ethic, and being passed over earlier in their careers.
His love for the game, his work ethic is off the charts, just like Mayfield. Let's say Allen gets his footwork all settled, and ends up being outstanding in accuracy...wouldn't you want to draft this kid #1 ?
nobody ever said that. Rosen's love for the game, lack of leadership skills, and arrogance is what he needs to work on - for starters.....and that has been reinforced since he was a little kid. You can't coach away stupid, either. So, you admit the others can grow and develop, but Allen can't? He has the highest ceiling. He has the ability to throw the ball like no one else in the draft. That doesn't mean he achieves that ceiling, but he is similar to Mayfield in his work ethic, and being passed over earlier in their careers.
His love for the game, his work ethic is off the charts, just like Mayfield. Let's say Allen gets his footwork all settled, and ends up being outstanding in accuracy...wouldn't you want to draft this kid #1 ?
Greg Cosell already commented on Allen's "arm accuracy" or more exactly lack of it Cal. Can he improve? Sure, but if I'm John Dorsey I'm not betting my career with the Browns on it at #1 overall. Said it before Cal. Josh may have a John Elway ceiling if he can fix his accuracy, and a Brandon Weeden floor if he can't.
Can't coach away stupid? The Wonderlic scores aren't out yet- but the betting odds were Rosen will have the highest score of all the quarterbacks.
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