Throwing away money and picks
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Idiotic... a blind man can see that this year would have been more active in FA... not Dorsey active, but active.
And the difference in activity level would have been in keeping with the now abandoned, organizational philosophy of developing young players rather than collecting cast offs from the rest of the league.
Everything old is new again.
Is that what it seems we are doing Collecting castoffs? I don't know....some, maybe. I knew Dorsey wanted us to get a little more veteran presence. NOt sure of the respective ages of the guys we picked up/traded for. Anyone over 30?
Is that what it seems we are doing Collecting castoffs? I don't know....some, maybe. I knew Dorsey wanted us to get a little more veteran presence. NOt sure of the respective ages of the guys we picked up/traded for. Anyone over 30?
Fells I think is 31.
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Overreacted. Apologies all
I still think we’re making bad moves though #65 for a one year bridge QB being the worst of it.
The Browns have got Duke, Kirksey, Ogunjobi for instance at that spot or lower. It’s a valuable pick.
Glad you stayed...
One of these vet-loving folks need to explain exactly how many vet examples a locker room needs. Seems to me like it's always 2 to 5 guys.
Offense we had Thomas and still have Bito and Zeitler. Defense has Collins and McCourty. May be we need 32 leaders? More?
Glad you stayed...
One of these vet-loving folks need to explain exactly how many vet examples a locker room needs. Seems to me like it's always 2 to 5 guys.
Offense we had Thomas and still have Bito and Zeitler. Defense has Collins and McCourty. May be we need 32 leaders? More?
I don't think it's leaders as much as it is "guys who have won games". As opposed to what we had over the last two years "guys who have won game."
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Glad you stayed...
One of these vet-loving folks need to explain exactly how many vet examples a locker room needs. Seems to me like it's always 2 to 5 guys.
Offense we had Thomas and still have Bito and Zeitler. Defense has Collins and McCourty. May be we need 32 leaders? More?
I don't think it's leaders as much as it is "guys who have won games". As opposed to what we had over the last two years "guys who have won game."
I don't think it's leaders as much as it is "guys who have won games". As opposed to what we had over the last two years "guys who have won game."
Hence the short term thinking comment. Winning six games is worse than winning one. But people can’t handle that.
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I don't think it's leaders as much as it is "guys who have won games". As opposed to what we had over the last two years "guys who have won game."
Hence the short term thinking comment. Winning six games is worse than winning one. But people can’t handle that.
Hence the short term thinking comment. Winning six games is worse than winning one. But people can’t handle that.
so in your mind the F.O have shiit the bed,so tell me who would have you brought in
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I don't think it's leaders as much as it is "guys who have won games". As opposed to what we had over the last two years "guys who have won game."
Hence the short term thinking comment. Winning six games is worse than winning one. But people can’t handle that.
Hence the short term thinking comment. Winning six games is worse than winning one. But people can’t handle that.
No matter what the situation, any team of any sport needs experience mixed with youth. I get that in in the past a lot of time and money has been wasted on mercenaries but this seems a different approach with dorsey. I'm very new to this sport so yes I'm a bit naive maybe but the TT deal for example....I just don't think we could have wished for anything better. In my eyes he's exactly what we need along with the #1 QB of choice. The likes of cousins and smith were never even considering the browns given where we're at at the mo. Yes i dont know a great deal about some of the other guys signed but they all have a level of game time/experience under their belts which will get us a few wins I'm sure. Then we can start looking at the next level of improvement and so on.
Maybe I haven't followed this team long enough for the negativity to have set in but things look a hell of a lot more positive for next season.....and we've got the draft to come yet, to trade all those picks away
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Well, you can't just keep kicking the can down the road forever either. It's why he's not here anymore.
Idiotic... a blind man can see that this year would have been more active in FA... not Dorsey active, but active.
And the difference in activity level would have been in keeping with the now abandoned, organizational philosophy of developing young players rather than collecting cast offs from the rest of the league.
Everything old is new again.
Idiotic... a blind man can see that this year would have been more active in FA... not Dorsey active, but active.
And the difference in activity level would have been in keeping with the now abandoned, organizational philosophy of developing young players rather than collecting cast offs from the rest of the league.
Everything old is new again.
Tour, you honestly can't call Landry a "cast off". Cap Casualty. LOL, you want to call Suh a "cast off"? Sure, he's too expensive and too old for our master plan...
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Dorsey is doing what he was brought here to do. Get us some real football players so that we can win some games....while he builds for the future.
In two phucking years we've had ONE MONDAY MORNING where we woke up with a football smile. ONE!
He's brought in a player so that Peppers doesn't have to play goalie any more.
He's brought in a QB who won't constantly throw it to the other team if we happen to get into scoring position.
Crow wanted the hell out of town so he brought in a guy to fill the void quite well.
He got us a receiver who actually catches the damn ball.
He's spent some of out draft picks to improve our team. And what the hell was the youngest team in the league gonna do with 12 draft picks anyway? Get younger? More inexperienced?
I swear, we are a better team right now than we've been in some time....and we haven't hit the draft and our 5 picks in the first two rounds yet.
By trading for TieRod & Landry he gave our offense a reason to exist. That sent the signal to free agency that we were no longer going to be the Siberia of the NFL. Such that you don't have to avoid Cleveland like the plague any more. And he WAS able to sign some FA's. - This really is a big deal for the Browns. He's trying to change the culture...and I mean REALLY change the culture.
With our future QB being picked at #1 overall in April, and the #4 pick bringing someone who should contribute day one...and three second round picks who will hopefully improve the situation even more....well...it just appears like we could be a REAL football team right now. Not GREAT right now, but respectable. And if you want to attract talent, then you have to be respectable.
Since the end of the regular season we've known that no FA was going to want to come here. Well, Dorsey turned some mid round draft picks into players that made us more attractive to FA's. - Smart move if you ask me.
BEING A BROWNS FAN IS A TEST TO SEE HOW MUCH YOU CAN TAKE -
I don't think it's leaders as much as it is "guys who have won games". As opposed to what we had over the last two years "guys who have won game."
Hence the short term thinking comment. Winning six games is worse than winning one. But people can’t handle that.
Hence the short term thinking comment. Winning six games is worse than winning one. But people can’t handle that.
you are a Shmucking idiot
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Overreacted. Apologies all
I still think we’re making bad moves though #65 for a one year bridge QB being the worst of it.
The Browns have got Duke, Kirksey, Ogunjobi for instance at that spot or lower. It’s a valuable pick.
Glad you stayed...
One of these vet-loving folks need to explain exactly how many vet examples a locker room needs. Seems to me like it's always 2 to 5 guys.
Offense we had Thomas and still have Bito and Zeitler. Defense has Collins and McCourty. May be we need 32 leaders? More?
Glad you stayed...
One of these vet-loving folks need to explain exactly how many vet examples a locker room needs. Seems to me like it's always 2 to 5 guys.
Offense we had Thomas and still have Bito and Zeitler. Defense has Collins and HAD McCourty. May be we need 32 leaders? More?
FIFY
And here is a nice little article on the changes.
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Dorsey is doing what he was brought here to do. Get us some real football players so that we can win some games....while he builds for the future.
In two phucking years we've had ONE MONDAY MORNING where we woke up with a football smile. ONE!
He's brought in a player so that Peppers doesn't have to play goalie any more.
He's brought in a QB who won't constantly throw it to the other team if we happen to get into scoring position.
Crow wanted the hell out of town so he brought in a guy to fill the void quite well.
He got us a receiver who actually catches the damn ball.
He's spent some of out draft picks to improve our team. And what the hell was the youngest team in the league gonna do with 12 draft picks anyway? Get younger? More inexperienced?
I swear, we are a better team right now than we've been in some time....and we haven't hit the draft and our 5 picks in the first two rounds yet.
By trading for TieRod & Landry he gave our offense a reason to exist. That sent the signal to free agency that we were no longer going to be the Siberia of the NFL. Such that you don't have to avoid Cleveland like the plague any more. And he WAS able to sign some FA's. - This really is a big deal for the Browns. He's trying to change the culture...and I mean REALLY change the culture.
With our future QB being picked at #1 overall in April, and the #4 pick bringing someone who should contribute day one...and three second round picks who will hopefully improve the situation even more....well...it just appears like we could be a REAL football team right now. Not GREAT right now, but respectable. And if you want to attract talent, then you have to be respectable.
Since the end of the regular season we've known that no FA was going to want to come here. Well, Dorsey turned some mid round draft picks into players that made us more attractive to FA's. - Smart move if you ask me.
I swear, we are a better team right now than we've been in some time....and we haven't hit the draft and our 5 picks in the first two rounds yet.
By trading for TieRod & Landry he gave our offense a reason to exist. That sent the signal to free agency that we were no longer going to be the Siberia of the NFL. Such that you don't have to avoid Cleveland like the plague any more. And he WAS able to sign some FA's. - This really is a big deal for the Browns.
He's trying to change the culture...and I mean REALLY change the culture.
Good post... the heart of which I plucked out to address and ask a question.
Agree that we are better right now than we've been... in a couple seasons.... three tops. Almost all of any "better" comes in the form of TT and the QB spot. Landry? Good player, but it's not like we haven't had 1000-yd receivers recently... that they played outside and TE matters not. Issue is that as of now TT and Landry are merely leased players... and expensive leasees at that.
FA signings are nothing new. They happen every year. This year the volume is up, but that's merely the product of a philosophy change away from an emphasis on growing our own. Make a change in the direction we had and there is going to be an exaggerated "snap-back". As for "Siberia"... when you still have to overpay for the FA talent you land, then you are still Siberia. Until our leasees are locked up by new contracts their acquisition doesn't send a signal anywhere to anyone.
And now the question... Culture change? From what to what and how does your take reflect the change you see?
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
I swear, we are a better team right now than we've been in some time....and we haven't hit the draft and our 5 picks in the first two rounds yet.
By trading for TieRod & Landry he gave our offense a reason to exist. That sent the signal to free agency that we were no longer going to be the Siberia of the NFL. Such that you don't have to avoid Cleveland like the plague any more. And he WAS able to sign some FA's. - This really is a big deal for the Browns.
He's trying to change the culture...and I mean REALLY change the culture.
Good post... the heart of which I plucked out to address and ask a question.
Agree that we are better right now than we've been... in a couple seasons.... three tops. Almost all of any "better" comes in the form of TT and the QB spot. Landry? Good player, but it's not like we haven't had 1000-yd receivers recently... that they played outside and TE matters not. Issue is that as of now TT and Landry are merely leased players... and expensive leasees at that.
FA signings are nothing new. They happen every year. This year the volume is up, but that's merely the product of a philosophy change away from an emphasis on growing our own. Make a change in the direction we had and there is going to be an exaggerated "snap-back". As for "Siberia"... when you still have to overpay for the FA talent you land, then you are still Siberia. Until our leasees are locked up by new contracts their acquisition doesn't send a signal anywhere to anyone.
And now the question... Culture change? From what to what and how does your take reflect the change you see?
Culture change? From what to what and how does your take reflect the change you see?
From signing a QB that knows how to play in the NFL...as opposed to our QB throwing int's all the time. (QB play is so important)
From bringing in Landry for the slot...which is something TT likes to utilize.
From bringing in OLinemen, DB's, RB, etc.
All of these guys come from other teams where games are won and winning is expected. They come right out and say that they had no part in our past losing.
The knowledge that a respected football man is in charge...and that the best QB in the draft is going to be joining the team.
Cumulatively the team is much different, better and far removed from the last 2 years.
BEING A BROWNS FAN IS A TEST TO SEE HOW MUCH YOU CAN TAKE -
Someone on here shrewdly said the other day that Hue and this FO are in win now mode.
He was spot on and this is the result. Throwing away any bright future so they all save their jobs winning six games this year.
Ugly. Very ugly.
Its like midnight in London....and it sounds like you have drained the pub of all its bitters.
None of the rest of us have a clue what you are talking about.
Its like midnight in London....and it sounds like you have drained the pub of all its bitters.
None of the rest of us have a clue what you are talking about.
How about London After Midnight
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Culture change? From what to what and how does your take reflect the change you see?
From signing a QB that knows how to play in the NFL...as opposed to our QB throwing int's all the time. (QB play is so important)
From bringing in Landry for the slot...which is something TT likes to utilize.
From bringing in OLinemen, DB's, RB, etc.
All of these guys come from other teams where games are won and winning is expected. They come right out and say that they had no part in our past losing.
The knowledge that a respected football man is in charge...and that the best QB in the draft is going to be joining the team.
Cumulatively the team is much different, better and far removed from the last 2 years.
From signing a QB that knows how to play in the NFL...as opposed to our QB throwing int's all the time. (QB play is so important)
From bringing in Landry for the slot...which is something TT likes to utilize.
From bringing in OLinemen, DB's, RB, etc.
All of these guys come from other teams where games are won and winning is expected. They come right out and say that they had no part in our past losing.
The knowledge that a respected football man is in charge...and that the best QB in the draft is going to be joining the team.
Cumulatively the team is much different, better and far removed from the last 2 years.
Well... at least there was one item that touched on "culture"...
Apparently we now have players who say "wasn't my fault."
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
From signing a QB that knows how to play in the NFL...as opposed to our QB throwing int's all the time. (QB play is so important)
From bringing in Landry for the slot...which is something TT likes to utilize.
From bringing in OLinemen, DB's, RB, etc.
All of these guys come from other teams where games are won and winning is expected. They come right out and say that they had no part in our past losing.
The knowledge that a respected football man is in charge...and that the best QB in the draft is going to be joining the team.
Cumulatively the team is much different, better and far removed from the last 2 years.
Well... at least there was one item that touched on "culture"...
Apparently we now have players who say "wasn't my fault."
Well... at least there was one item that touched on "culture"...
Apparently we now have players who say "wasn't my fault."
What is it that you're expecting? Bringing in players who paint portraits? Perform in their local philharmonics? Poets?
Our team was full of players that have done nothing but lose their whole time here. Including three lost soul QB's. A lot is different now. That's a culture change on a football team.
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