Baker Mayfield
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Why would you draft a QB that has the exact same skill set (and lack of) that you just traded for?
For the sake of continuity. So that you can keep the playbook the same with expectations that the next guy will execute the plays with a similar degree of acumen as his predecessor.
It just occurred to me to ask what top tier QB in this draft has a similar playing style to Taylor, who seems to have a sort of hustle and flow about his playing style from the clips l’ve seen.
For the sake of continuity. So that you can keep the playbook the same with expectations that the next guy will execute the plays with a similar degree of acumen as his predecessor.
It just occurred to me to ask what top tier QB in this draft has a similar playing style to Taylor, who seems to have a sort of hustle and flow about his playing style from the clips l’ve seen.
Please, Jesus... not him.
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Why would you draft a QB that has the exact same skill set (and lack of) that you just traded for?
For the sake of continuity. So that you can keep the playbook the same with expectations that the next guy will execute the plays with a similar degree of acumen as his predecessor.
It just occurred to me to ask what top tier QB in this draft has a similar playing style to Taylor, who seems to have a sort of hustle and flow about his playing style from the clips l’ve seen.
For the sake of continuity. So that you can keep the playbook the same with expectations that the next guy will execute the plays with a similar degree of acumen as his predecessor.
It just occurred to me to ask what top tier QB in this draft has a similar playing style to Taylor, who seems to have a sort of hustle and flow about his playing style from the clips l’ve seen.
And how did you answer your own question?
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Baker Mayfield is from the Big 12, but he was the QB that beat Ohio State's top tier defense. In the loss against Georgia, he still threw for 287 yards and 2 TD to 1 interception. He has done very well against the competition he was given in college
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/baker-mayfield-1/gamelog/
while you can say that for all of the top-ranked QBs, a big reason why I like Baker Mayfield the best is he doesn't have any one "obvious" red flag besides his height. With Darnold (who I think the Browns will pick) the major issue I have with him is the amount of fumbles he has lost/long windup, and with Rosen it's the injury history/the fact he does not want to be here. Cleveland QBs get hit a lot and I don't know if Rosen will survive if he is drafted here.
Of course, my opinion doesn't mean anything and the Browns will do what the Browns do. Can't' wait until actual football season starts again.
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For the sake of continuity. So that you can keep the playbook the same with expectations that the next guy will execute the plays with a similar degree of acumen as his predecessor.
It just occurred to me to ask what top tier QB in this draft has a similar playing style to Taylor, who seems to have a sort of hustle and flow about his playing style from the clips l’ve seen.
And how did you answer your own question?
And how did you answer your own question?
I didn’t, but l think we’ve narrowed it down a bit. Either by design or circumstances the Browns seem to have landed a QB in Taylor who can pass a bit and run a bit. It’s now the second such instance we’ve seen since Kizer was in a similar mold, but he just didn’t seem to pass well. Third if you count the Manziel experiment.
So l’m just trying to identify a trend.
I think it rules out a guy like Rosen, known more as a pocket guy.
So far l’ve heard Mayfield and Darnold.
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Baker > all other QB's, with the exception of Josh Allen potentially having more upside.
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WTF is "billy goat day"?
For the sake of continuity. So that you can keep the playbook the same with expectations that the next guy will execute the plays with a similar degree of acumen as his predecessor.
It just occurred to me to ask what top tier QB in this draft has a similar playing style to Taylor, who seems to have a sort of hustle and flow about his playing style from the clips l’ve seen.
Not to mention the on-field mentorship that's lent by the similar styles...
Mayfield is one, but so is Darnold... who, Lord help us, I think is the one Dorsey's heart is set upon.
WTF is "billy goat day"?
Not to mention the on-field mentorship that's lent by the similar styles...
Mayfield is one, but so is Darnold... who, Lord help us, I think is the one Dorsey's heart is set upon.
LOL, I had pushed Billy "GOAT" Manziel Vegas escapade out of my memory.
I'm actually fine with either QB Tour, though I still have Mayfield as a slight favorite. The guys saying "all the top QB prospects have the same talent level" are missing the point. To me, it's like being a kid in a candy store or ice cream shop, what flavor do you like best? Vanilla, chocolate, or strawberry? I hate mint so don't sell me that mint chocolate chip Allen or Jackson though.
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I recommend folks go through and watch this to see how many times Mayfield is either A) Passing to his first read or B. It is a predetermined RB pass.
The few times that the first read isn't open (very few; hats off the Oklahoma's OC and the talent around Mayfield), Mayfield scrambles or takes a sack. -
I recommend folks go through and watch this to see how many times Mayfield is either A) Passing to his first read or B. It is a predetermined RB pass.
The few times that the first read isn't open (very few; hats off the Oklahoma's OC and the talent around Mayfield), Mayfield scrambles or takes a sack.And your point is? Is that good or bad? Sounds like you are saying that he is poor in going through his progressions (at least in this game...which was a very good game for him).
In comparison to Barkley and Darnold......Mayfield killed it vs. OSU...... Where OSU killed those other guys.
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I recommend folks go through and watch this to see how many times Mayfield is either A) Passing to his first read or B. It is a predetermined RB pass.
The few times that the first read isn't open (very few; hats off the Oklahoma's OC and the talent around Mayfield), Mayfield scrambles or takes a sack.And your point is? Is that good or bad? Sounds like you are saying that he is poor in going through his progressions (at least in this game...which was a very good game for him).
In comparison to Barkley and Darnold......Mayfield killed it vs. OSU...... Where OSU killed those other guys.
I recommend folks go through and watch this to see how many times Mayfield is either A) Passing to his first read or B. It is a predetermined RB pass.
The few times that the first read isn't open (very few; hats off the Oklahoma's OC and the talent around Mayfield), Mayfield scrambles or takes a sack.And your point is? Is that good or bad? Sounds like you are saying that he is poor in going through his progressions (at least in this game...which was a very good game for him).
In comparison to Barkley and Darnold......Mayfield killed it vs. OSU...... Where OSU killed those other guys.
I am saying that I am not seeing him going through progressions rarely if at all. He is throwing to wide open guys on first reads. It would be more of an endorsement of Mayfield's supporting cast than Mayfield himself. It would also explain the inflated numbers.
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I recommend folks go through and watch this to see how many times Mayfield is either A) Passing to his first read or B. It is a predetermined RB pass.
The few times that the first read isn't open (very few; hats off the Oklahoma's OC and the talent around Mayfield), Mayfield scrambles or takes a sack.And your point is? Is that good or bad? Sounds like you are saying that he is poor in going through his progressions (at least in this game...which was a very good game for him).
In comparison to Barkley and Darnold......Mayfield killed it vs. OSU...... Where OSU killed those other guys.
I am saying that I am not seeing him going through progressions rarely if at all. He is throwing to wide open guys on first reads. It would be more of an endorsement of Mayfield's supporting cast than Mayfield himself. It would also explain the inflated numbers.
I am saying that I am not seeing him going through progressions rarely if at all. He is throwing to wide open guys on first reads. It would be more of an endorsement of Mayfield's supporting cast than Mayfield himself. It would also explain the inflated numbers.
Point is————- Mayfield BLOWS
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Baker Mayfield is from the Big 12, but he was the QB that beat Ohio State's top tier defense. In the loss against Georgia, he still threw for 287 yards and 2 TD to 1 interception. He has done very well against the competition he was given in college
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/baker-mayfield-1/gamelog/
while you can say that for all of the top-ranked QBs, a big reason why I like Baker Mayfield the best is he doesn't have any one "obvious" red flag besides his height. With Darnold (who I think the Browns will pick) the major issue I have with him is the amount of fumbles he has lost/long windup, and with Rosen it's the injury history/the fact he does not want to be here. Cleveland QBs get hit a lot and I don't know if Rosen will survive if he is drafted here.
Of course, my opinion doesn't mean anything and the Browns will do what the Browns do. Can't' wait until actual football season starts again.
... he doesn't have any one "obvious" red flag besides his height.
Of course that's a sizeable shortcoming to so readily dismiss.
I recommend folks go through and watch this to see how many times Mayfield is either A) Passing to his first read or B. It is a predetermined RB pass.
The few times that the first read isn't open (very few; hats off the Oklahoma's OC and the talent around Mayfield), Mayfield scrambles or takes a sack.But that's the Offense... my only add to your description is the number of times he locks onto his primary until he clears before he goes into scramble mode.
If he were making the pre-snap read to get to the right target, then I'd have less apprehension, but OU is one of the new breed, "everyone-on-offense-look-to-the-sideline-to-see-what-oversized-posterbaords-are-being-held-up-to tell-us-what-to-do" Offenses that are killing the college game's value as a "QB developmental league".
Still... despite all that... he settled in as my 2nd choice... a distant 2nd choice, but a 2nd choice nonetheless.
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I recommend folks go through and watch this to see how many times Mayfield is either A) Passing to his first read or B. It is a predetermined RB pass.
The few times that the first read isn't open (very few; hats off the Oklahoma's OC and the talent around Mayfield), Mayfield scrambles or takes a sack.I recommend folks go through and watch this to see how many times Mayfield is either A) Passing to his first read or B. It is a predetermined RB pass.
The few times that the first read isn't open (very few; hats off the Oklahoma's OC and the talent around Mayfield), Mayfield scrambles or takes a sack.I’ll admit, l’m leaning towards Mayfield. If you are looking for ammo to to back people off the Mayfield ledge, you did a piss poor job by posting this video.
I watched it. I took notes, and l was impressed by his performance.
:50 l saw 3 reads.
1:30 he has 3 receivers in one area of the field. A camera doesn’t pick up the pupils dialating.
next play: buying time with his feet, got a PI call. Would you prefer a sack?
2:20 I saw 2 reads.
3:18 got sacked, but l saw him scanning the field like a mofo.
4:05 more scanning the field while scrambling.
4:35 designed toss to the RB, but he looks upfield before he swings it to the RB.
5:00 more field scanning but he ultimately runs for it.
6:10 from his own endzone found an open guy on the second read.
next play can see him look for a couple options.
7:00 looks for a couple options and ultimately buys a PI call.
7:20 looks for a second option.
I also was generally impressed with his fake handoffs. He also does this shimmy shimmy thing with his shoulders, especially with designed tosses to the RBs that l think helps create space and time for the receiver to gain YAC. I like the guy.
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I recommend folks go through and watch this to see how many times Mayfield is either A) Passing to his first read or B. It is a predetermined RB pass.
The few times that the first read isn't open (very few; hats off the Oklahoma's OC and the talent around Mayfield), Mayfield scrambles or takes a sack.I’ll admit, l’m leaning towards Mayfield. If you are looking for ammo to to back people off the Mayfield ledge, you did a piss poor job by posting this video.
I watched it. I took notes, and l was impressed by his performance.
:50 l saw 3 reads.
1:30 he has 3 receivers in one area of the field. A camera doesn’t pick up the pupils dialating.
next play: buying time with his feet, got a PI call. Would you prefer a sack?
2:20 I saw 2 reads.
3:18 got sacked, but l saw him scanning the field like a mofo.
4:05 more scanning the field while scrambling.
4:35 designed toss to the RB, but he looks upfield before he swings it to the RB.
5:00 more field scanning but he ultimately runs for it.
6:10 from his own endzone found an open guy on the second read.
next play can see him look for a couple options.
7:00 looks for a couple options and ultimately buys a PI call.
7:20 looks for a second option.
I also was generally impressed with his fake handoffs. He also does this shimmy shimmy thing with his shoulders, especially with designed tosses to the RBs that l think helps create space and time for the receiver to gain YAC. I like the guy.
I’ll admit, l’m leaning towards Mayfield. If you are looking for ammo to to back people off the Mayfield ledge, you did a piss poor job by posting this video.
I watched it. I took notes, and l was impressed by his performance.
:50 l saw 3 reads.
1:30 he has 3 receivers in one area of the field. A camera doesn’t pick up the pupils dialating.
next play: buying time with his feet, got a PI call. Would you prefer a sack?
2:20 I saw 2 reads.
3:18 got sacked, but l saw him scanning the field like a mofo.
4:05 more scanning the field while scrambling.
4:35 designed toss to the RB, but he looks upfield before he swings it to the RB.
5:00 more field scanning but he ultimately runs for it.
6:10 from his own endzone found an open guy on the second read.
next play can see him look for a couple options.
7:00 looks for a couple options and ultimately buys a PI call.
7:20 looks for a second option.
I also was generally impressed with his fake handoffs. He also does this shimmy shimmy thing with his shoulders, especially with designed tosses to the RBs that l think helps create space and time for the receiver to gain YAC. I like the guy.
I don’t have any idea how you watched that and came to those conclusions.
That said, you are referring to a few moments in an 8 minute cutup. I didn’t imply that he didn’t make any progressions at all. They are few and far between.
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... he doesn't have any one "obvious" red flag besides his height.
Of course that's a sizeable shortcoming to so readily dismiss.
I recommend folks go through and watch this to see how many times Mayfield is either A) Passing to his first read or B. It is a predetermined RB pass.
The few times that the first read isn't open (very few; hats off the Oklahoma's OC and the talent around Mayfield), Mayfield scrambles or takes a sack.But that's the Offense... my only add to your description is the number of times he locks onto his primary until he clears before he goes into scramble mode.
If he were making the pre-snap read to get to the right target, then I'd have less apprehension, but OU is one of the new breed, "everyone-on-offense-look-to-the-sideline-to-see-what-oversized-posterbaords-are-being-held-up-to tell-us-what-to-do" Offenses that are killing the college game's value as a "QB developmental league".
Still... despite all that... he settled in as my 2nd choice... a distant 2nd choice, but a 2nd choice nonetheless.
I would also check into the Georgia game. They started taking away the first option then contained him to the pocket. Two totally different Mayfields after Georgia started doing this.
But that's the Offense... my only add to your description is the number of times he locks onto his primary until he clears before he goes into scramble mode.
If he were making the pre-snap read to get to the right target, then I'd have less apprehension, but OU is one of the new breed, "everyone-on-offense-look-to-the-sideline-to-see-what-oversized-posterbaords-are-being-held-up-to tell-us-what-to-do" Offenses that are killing the college game's value as a "QB developmental league".
Still... despite all that... he settled in as my 2nd choice... a distant 2nd choice, but a 2nd choice nonetheless.
I would be fully on board with Rosen if the concussion history wasn’t there. I worry that it will only get worse.
As for Mayfield, I see a lot of wide open passes which produces the crazy numbers that some people here are bananas over. I know you don’t fall into that trap. I just don’t know how anyone can gauge how good he is given the offense he is coming out of.
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I would also check into the Georgia game. They started taking away the first option then contained him to the pocket. Two totally different Mayfields after Georgia started doing this.
But that's the Offense... my only add to your description is the number of times he locks onto his primary until he clears before he goes into scramble mode.
If he were making the pre-snap read to get to the right target, then I'd have less apprehension, but OU is one of the new breed, "everyone-on-offense-look-to-the-sideline-to-see-what-oversized-posterbaords-are-being-held-up-to tell-us-what-to-do" Offenses that are killing the college game's value as a "QB developmental league".
Still... despite all that... he settled in as my 2nd choice... a distant 2nd choice, but a 2nd choice nonetheless.
I would be fully on board with Rosen if the concussion history wasn’t there. I worry that it will only get worse.
As for Mayfield, I see a lot of wide open passes which produces the crazy numbers that some people here are bananas over. I know you don’t fall into that trap. I just don’t know how anyone can gauge how good he is given the offense he is coming out of.
I would also check into the Georgia game. They started taking away the first option then contained him to the pocket. Two totally different Mayfields after Georgia started doing this.
I would be fully on board with Rosen if the concussion history wasn’t there. I worry that it will only get worse.
As for Mayfield, I see a lot of wide open passes which produces the crazy numbers that some people here are bananas over. I know you don’t fall into that trap. I just don’t know how anyone can gauge how good he is given the offense he is coming out of.
They call that Big 12 football.
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I would also check into the Georgia game. They started taking away the first option then contained him to the pocket. Two totally different Mayfields after Georgia started doing this.
I would be fully on board with Rosen if the concussion history wasn’t there. I worry that it will only get worse.
As for Mayfield, I see a lot of wide open passes which produces the crazy numbers that some people here are bananas over. I know you don’t fall into that trap. I just don’t know how anyone can gauge how good he is given the offense he is coming out of.
They call that Big 12 football.
They call that Big 12 football.
That has likely been why all of their QBs fall flat in the pros.
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Dorsey can now roll the dice that Mayfield gets to #4..Mayfield should still be there at #4..Barkley is gone at #1 while Giants & Colts sweat bullets..By chance if Mayfield is gone at #4? It's not the worst thing that could happen now with Tyrod in place..Am not sold on Mayfield in the pros..but Dorsey drives that truck
Dorsey can now roll the dice that Mayfield gets to #4..Mayfield should still be there at #4..Barkley is gone at #1 while Giants & Colts sweat bullets..By chance if Mayfield is gone at #4? It's not the worst thing that could happen now with Tyrod in place..Am not sold on Mayfield in the pros..but Dorsey drives that truck
Dorsey will draft the QB Hue Jackson instructs him to draft.
The Cleveland Browns have the hardest hit players in the NFL -
Mayfield...
Manziel 2.0
get Barkley and Chubb
Or barkley and one of the other qbs. Barkley is a must... he is the next generation of backs that can catch out of the backfield... with Haley at OC the things we could do..
Mayfield...
Manziel 2.0
get Barkley and Chubb
Or barkley and one of the other qbs. Barkley is a must... he is the next generation of backs that can catch out of the backfield... with Haley at OC the things we could do..
Barkley is a spectacular talent - but Ballage ran nearly as fast, is bigger, and catches out of the backfield well, too. And he might be there in the 4th round? probably upper third now.
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