From nobody to the top of the first round of the draft - Josh Allen
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SO, there is 2017. Allen was only 57.5 percent vs IOWA. IOWA is a far, far bigger better team than
Wyoming.68.8 vs little Gardner-Webb.
37.5 percent OUCH against bigtime power OREGON. (9 of 24? not good.)
Against Utah State - though, after tough games, he was 69.2 percent accuracy. A division win for Wyoming.
Boise State - only 44.4 percent. Boise State was 7-1 in their same division.
Look at the results. Then note that Allen was 72.7 percent accuracy vs Air Force.
72.7 percent ? Yep. JOSH ALLEN's highest completion percentage was 72.7 percent. Didn't have to throw a lot, sure.
Josh ROSEN only beat that percentage ONE TIME - vs little Hawaii - same opponent Wyoming played.
That's another fun fact ! LOL
How many 37.5%, 44.5% 47% percent games did Rosen have?
How many 37.5%, 44.5% 47% percent games did Rosen have?
lol. How many teams did rosen play that were way in a higher league? none.
How many did Allen play? more than two.
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SO, there is 2017. Allen was only 57.5 percent vs IOWA. IOWA is a far, far bigger better team than
Wyoming.68.8 vs little Gardner-Webb.
37.5 percent OUCH against bigtime power OREGON. (9 of 24? not good.)
Against Utah State - though, after tough games, he was 69.2 percent accuracy. A division win for Wyoming.
Boise State - only 44.4 percent. Boise State was 7-1 in their same division.
Look at the results. Then note that Allen was 72.7 percent accuracy vs Air Force.
72.7 percent ? Yep. JOSH ALLEN's highest completion percentage was 72.7 percent. Didn't have to throw a lot, sure.
Josh ROSEN only beat that percentage ONE TIME - vs little Hawaii - same opponent Wyoming played.
That's another fun fact ! LOL
Josh Rosen in his debut game vs Virginia was at 80% completion. That's his very first game as a true freshman, with all the hype and pressure and spotlight.... and he had one of the best games in NCAAF history. You cannot find one single game from Allen that is better than Rosen's debut. It doesn't exist, and the facts and stats are not on your side.
Josh Rosen in his debut game vs Virginia was at 80% completion. That's his very first game as a true freshman, with all the hype and pressure and spotlight.... and he had one of the best games in NCAAF history. You cannot find one single game from Allen that is better than Rosen's debut. It doesn't exist, and the facts and stats are not on your side.
not true. I was going by last year. You omit facts.
For instance: UCLA, in 2014, was ranked NUMBER 7 in preseason polling the year before rosen got there for his freshman year. Rosen walked into a top ten ranked team in the nation. Of course he would end up with a terrific cast of players around him. Have a nice day.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_UCLA_Bruins_football_team
The Bruins were ranked No. 7 in preseason national polls, and were expected to contend for not only one of the four berths in the College Football Playoff, but also the national championship.
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O, there is 2017. Allen was only 57.5 percent vs IOWA. IOWA is a far, far bigger better team than
Wyoming.68.8 vs little Gardner-Webb.
37.5 percent OUCH against bigtime power OREGON. (9 of 24? not good.)
Against Utah State - though, after tough games, he was 69.2 percent accuracy. A division win for Wyoming.
Boise State - only 44.4 percent. Boise State was 7-1 in their same division.
Look at the results. Then note that Allen was 72.7 percent accuracy vs Air Force.
72.7 percent ? Yep. JOSH ALLEN's highest completion percentage was 72.7 percent. Didn't have to throw a lot, sure.
Josh ROSEN only beat that percentage ONE TIME - vs little Hawaii - same opponent Wyoming played.
That's another fun fact ! LOL
Looking at that common opponent, Rosen had 5 TD's at 88% for 325 yds and zero picks. Giving him a rating of 264.5. Rosen's best games will beat Allen's best games every single time. He's a better QB.
I then looking at that common opponent, Rosen had 5 TD's at 88% for 325 yds and zero picks. Giving him a rating of 264.5. Rosen's best games will beat Allen's best games every single time. He's a better QB.
Surely you jest. A common opponent vs the Wyoming talent compared to the common opponent vs the UCLA talent that was rated 7th in the nation the year before?
Come on, man. If you put rosen with Wyoming, he'd suck. He wouldn't have all that talent, and he'd be playing Oregon and Iowa, fer cryin out loud. He would have gotten a few more concussions, as muc has he doesn't move around much and if fragile.
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How many 37.5%, 44.5% 47% percent games did Rosen have?
lol. How many teams did rosen play that were way in a higher league? none.
How many did Allen play? more than two.
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yet before rosen got there, they were ranked as the #7th team in the nation.
nah.
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I then looking at that common opponent, Rosen had 5 TD's at 88% for 325 yds and zero picks. Giving him a rating of 264.5. Rosen's best games will beat Allen's best games every single time. He's a better QB.
Surely you jest. A common opponent vs the Wyoming talent compared to the common opponent vs the UCLA talent that was rated 7th in the nation the year before?
Come on, man. If you put rosen with Wyoming, he'd suck. He wouldn't have all that talent, and he'd be playing Oregon and Iowa, fer cryin out loud. He would have gotten a few more concussions, as muc has he doesn't move around much and if fragile.
Surely you jest. A common opponent vs the Wyoming talent compared to the common opponent vs the UCLA talent that was rated 7th in the nation the year before?
Come on, man. If you put rosen with Wyoming, he'd suck. He wouldn't have all that talent, and he'd be playing Oregon and Iowa, fer cryin out loud. He would have gotten a few more concussions, as muc has he doesn't move around much and if fragile.
EIDT- They were #13 when the season started. You're getting the #7 from the 2015 season peak ranking. He beat Hawaii in 2017 they were not in the top 25 in the preseason poll.... And if you can show me any 2017 preseason poll that had them in the top 25 then be my guest. They were 4-8 the year before, that doesn't get you a top ten ranking.
I still know that Allen's top 10 games will not look nearly as good as Rosens top 10, no matter how much you wish it otherwise.
Feel free to post their game stats side by side. It's not close no matter how large and red you make the font
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9/2 @Iowa L 24-3 23 40 174 57.5 23 0 2 84.0 8 -10 -1.3 11 0 24.9 45.6 9/9 Gardner-Webb W 27-0 22 32 328 68.8 47 2 0 175.5 0 0 0.0 0 0 96.7 91.1 9/16 Oregon L 49-13 9 24 64 37.5 21 0 1 51.6 8 25 3.1 10 1 11.5 15.2 9/23 Hawai'i W 28-21 (OT) 9 19 92 47.4 25 1 0 105.4 6 17 2.8 22 0 63.8 34.6 9/30 Texas State W 45-10 14 24 219 58.3 40 3 0 176.2 8 12 1.5 9 0 82.4 66.5 10/14 @Utah State W 28-23 18 26 208 69.2 28 1 1 141.4 16 36 2.3 16 1 54.1 61.5 10/21 @Boise State L 24-14 12 27 131 44.4 30 1 2 82.6 18 62 3.4 19 1 48.3 58.5 10/28 New Mexico W 42-3 16 28 234 57.1 38 4 0 174.5 4 20 5.0 11 1 66.0 46.8 11/4 Colorado State W 16-13 10 20 138 50.0 21 0 0 108.0 12 60 5.0 18 0 33.4 25.9 11/11 @Air Force W 28-14 8 11 70 72.7 17 1 0 156.2 4 -15 -3.8 2 1 71.5 53. 9/2 @Iowa L 24-3 23 40 174 57.5 23 0 2 84.0 8 -10 -1.3 11 0 24.9 45.6 9/9 Gardner-Webb W 27-0 22 32 328 68.8 47 2 0 175.5 0 0 0.0 0 0 96.7 91.1 9/16 Oregon L 49-13 9 24 64 37.5 21 0 1 51.6 8 25 3.1 10 1 11.5 15.2 9/23 Hawai'i W 28-21 (OT) 9 19 92 47.4 25 1 0 105.4 6 17 2.8 22 0 63.8 34.6 9/30 Texas State W 45-10 14 24 219 58.3 40 3 0 176.2 8 12 1.5 9 0 82.4 66.5 10/14 @Utah State W 28-23 18 26 208 69.2 28 1 1 141.4 16 36 2.3 16 1 54.1 61.5 10/21 @Boise State L 24-14 12 27 131 44.4 30 1 2 82.6 18 62 3.4 19 1 48.3 58.5 10/28 New Mexico W 42-3 16 28 234 57.1 38 4 0 174.5 4 20 5.0 11 1 66.0 46.8 11/4 Colorado State W 16-13 10 20 138 50.0 21 0 0 108.0 12 60 5.0 18 0 33.4 25.9 11/11 @Air Force W 28-14 8 11 70 72.7 17 1 0 156.2 4 -15 -3.8 2 1 71.5 53. Rosen game by game stats, 2017:
2017 GAME LOG PASSING RUSHING QBR DATE OPP RESULT CMP ATT YDS CMP% LNG TD INT RAT ATT YDS AVG LNG TD RAW QBR ADJ QBR 9/3 Texas A&M W 45-44 35 59 491 59.3 54 4 0 151.6 5 -14 -2.8 7 0 58.8 67.4 9/9 Hawai'i W 56-23 22 25 329 88.0 34 5 0 264.5 2 -17 -8.5 0 0 98.1 93.8 9/16 @Memphis L 48-45 34 56 463 60.7 65 4 2 146.6 7 32 4.6 14 1 68.9 66.1 9/23 @Stanford L 58-34 40 60 480 66.7 48 3 2 143.7 3 15 5.0 13 0 65.7 74.2 9/30 Colorado W 27-23 28 45 372 62.2 46 1 1 134.6 5 7 1.4 4 0 71.4 64.5 10/14 @Arizona L 47-30 20 34 219 58.8 32 0 3 95.3 6 -35 -5.8 0 0 20.1 18.6 10/21 Oregon W 31-14 21 36 266 58.3 49 2 0 138.7 2 -11 -5.5 0 0 63.7 70.8 10/28 @Washington L 44-23 12 21 93 57.1 16 1 0 110.1 6 -19 -3.2 6 0 23.0 37.1 11/3 @Utah L 48-17 No statistics available. 11/11 Arizona State W 44-37 25 45 381 55.6 59 1 1 129.6 4 13 3.3 6 1 59.8 62.4 11/18 @USC L 28-23 32 52 421 61.5 43 3 1 144.7 5 -34 -6.8 1 0 58.7 78.3 11/24 California W 30-27 13 18 202 72.2 33 2 0 203.2 5 -34 -6.8 4 0 77.0 73.4
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Rosen: lowest completion pct. in any game was 55.6%
Allen had 4 games at 50% or less. 4 out of 10: 40% of games.
Rosen: 6 games above 60%. Allen had 3.
Based on the games posted by each above....Rosen was 26-10 TD/Int. Ration. Allen was 13/6.
Does anyone want to argue that the Pac 10 defenses are not a lot tougher than the Mountain West defenses?
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Here's a fun fact...
In 2018 Allen had the 8th highest completion percentage of the QBs in the ten team Mountain West Conference.... and there was a sizeable gap to the #7 ranked QB.
Pass Completion Percentage 1. Kent Myers* • Utah State 62.9 2. Brett Rypien* • Boise State 62.6 3. Marcus McMaryion* • Fresno State 62.1 4. Nick Stevens* • Colorado State 61.9 5. Dru Brown • Hawaii 61.7 6. Ty Gangi • Nevada 61.0 7. Christian Chapman* • San Diego State 59.8 8. Josh Allen* • Wyoming 56.3 9. Montel Aaron • San Jose State 56.0 10. Jordan Love* • Utah State 54.9 Here's a fun fact...
In 2018 Allen had the 8th highest completion percentage of the QBs in the ten team Mountain West Conference.... and there was a sizeable gap to the #7 ranked QB.
Pass Completion Percentage 1. Kent Myers* • Utah State 62.9 2. Brett Rypien* • Boise State 62.6 3. Marcus McMaryion* • Fresno State 62.1 4. Nick Stevens* • Colorado State 61.9 5. Dru Brown • Hawaii 61.7 6. Ty Gangi • Nevada 61.0 7. Christian Chapman* • San Diego State 59.8 8. Josh Allen* • Wyoming 56.3 9. Montel Aaron • San Jose State 56.0 10. Jordan Love* • Utah State 54.9 I think we should draft Christian Chapman at #4 and Rasaad Penny at #1 and have an all SDSU backfield.
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Rosen: lowest completion pct. in any game was 55.6%
Allen had 4 games at 50% or less. 4 out of 10: 40% of games.
Rosen: 6 games above 60%. Allen had 3.
Based on the games posted by each above....Rosen was 26-10 TD/Int. Ration. Allen was 13/6.
Does anyone want to argue that the Pac 10 defenses are not a lot tougher than the Mountain West defenses?
Rosen: lowest completion pct. in any game was 55.6%
Allen had 4 games at 50% or less. 4 out of 10: 40% of games.
Rosen: 6 games above 60%. Allen had 3.
Based on the games posted by each above....Rosen was 26-10 TD/Int. Ration. Allen was 13/6.
Does anyone want to argue that the Pac 10 defenses are not a lot tougher than the Mountain West defenses?
missing the point. UCLA was ranked #7 in the nation the year before rosen got there. OF course rosen had a fast track to wins
and better stats.
Wyoming was not ranked anywhere - they were
2014 record 4–8 (2–6 MW) the year before Wyoming got there.
So, rosen walked into a 7th in the country team, and Allen walked into a losing team that
only went to bowl games in recent years, after Josh Allen was the full time starter.
He led them to the Poinsetta bowl, they lost a close one, 24-21, to BYU.
He led them to the Potato Bowl, and they won, 37-14.
So, rosen didn't raise the level of play of UCLA.
Allen carried the Wyoming football team on his back and raised the level of play dramatically.
Those facts are more fun. I'm done.
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I heard the year before Allen arrived at Wyoming they were ranked 43rd!
I will say this... if we draft Allen and do not sign up cal to be Allen's personal, Sports Psychiatrist we will have fukced up biggly...
We can call them the Bag'o'Rocks Brothers...
yet before rosen got there, they were ranked as the #7th team in the nation.
That would be their 2014 squad.... and back in 1988 they were ranked #1. As my Grandmother used to say, "What does that have to do with the price of eggs?"
UCLA's 2014 squad peaked at #7 in season. Its 2015 squad, Rosen's Frosh year, was ranked #13 preseason and rose to #7 after it won it's 1st four including wins over #19 BYU and #16 Stanford. In all they beat four, top-20 teams during the season and lost to one.
"Facts are stubborn things." - John Adams
Classic cal... anything he stumbles across on the internet that appears at first glance to even remotely support his position he posts without any additional thought. By the time a thoughtful person deconstructs his little misdirection he's already posted a couple more stumblings.
Here' comes the part where he comes back and says he was confused by something or other... like he saw that Hundley was drafted in 2015 so that must mean Rosen's first year was 2016 or some such thing... only proving the point that he has no regard for accuracy.
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nah.
his first year, like I already said, was 2015.2014 is important, because so many of them were underclassmen - and rosen inherited a great setup. A previously ranked #7 in the nation, with a bunch of seniors and juniors playing with him for his last year.
http://www.espn.com/college-football/player/_/id/3886377/josh-rosen
this is where you get mad, bro, and start talking about how so and so agrees with you, so so and so is
the mostest experte' expert on the planet. Not buyin the gravel you are sellin.
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so, here's another fun fact:
Wyoming played Iowa. They lost. Iowa had the 5th best offensive line in college football.
It wasn't Josh Allen's fault they lost.
https://athlonsports.com/college-football/college-footballs-top-50-offensive-lines-2017
Here's another fun fact:
They also played Oregon. Oregon was number 16. Again, not Josh Allen's fault they lost.
Wyoming was ranked #50. I reckon Allen raised the level of play around him, bigtime. Like great players do?
so, here's another fun fact:
Wyoming played Iowa. They lost. Iowa had the 5th best offensive line in college football.
---> It wasn't Josh Allen's fault they lost. <---
https://athlonsports.com/college-football/college-footballs-top-50-offensive-lines-2017
http://www.espn.com/college-football/game?gameId=400935233
Josh Allen: 23-40, 174 YDS, 0 TD, 2 INT
Was Iowa's O-line playing Defense as well?
Here's another fun fact:
They also played Oregon. Oregon was number 16. Again, not Josh Allen's fault they lost.
Wyoming was ranked #50. ---> I reckon Allen raised the level of play around him, bigtime. Like great players do? <---
http://www.espn.com/college-football/game?gameId=400935273
Josh Allen: 9-24, 64 YDS, 0 TD, 1 INT
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I think UCLA gave up 36+ PPG this season. Look at the box scores and how many games they lost when they scored over 40. That shouldn't happen.
Clear that one team threw it far more than the other did. So who's carrying who exactly?
I think UCLA gave up 36+ PPG this season. Look at the box scores and how many games they lost when they scored over 40. That shouldn't happen.
Clear that one team threw it far more than the other did. So who's carrying who exactly?
I'll take UCLA out of the equation for a minute. Allen's best games from a completion% were against Gardner-Webb (Cal still hasn't told me what state that school is in) and a not so powerful Air Force. That his apples to apples % comparison to other Mountain West QBs was an eye opener. Of course, Cal says that stat doesn't matter.
BTW, Rosen completed 88% when they beat Hawaii.
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9/2 @Iowa L 24-3 23 40 174 57.5 23 0 2 84.0 8 -10 -1.3 11 0 24.9 45.6 9/9 Gardner-Webb W 27-0 22 32 328 68.8 47 2 0 175.5 0 0 0.0 0 0 96.7 91.1 9/16 Oregon L 49-13 9 24 64 37.5 21 0 1 51.6 8 25 3.1 10 1 11.5 15.2 9/23 Hawai'i W 28-21 (OT) 9 19 92 47.4 25 1 0 105.4 6 17 2.8 22 0 63.8 34.6 9/30 Texas State W 45-10 14 24 219 58.3 40 3 0 176.2 8 12 1.5 9 0 82.4 66.5 10/14 @Utah State W 28-23 18 26 208 69.2 28 1 1 141.4 16 36 2.3 16 1 54.1 61.5 10/21 @Boise State L 24-14 12 27 131 44.4 30 1 2 82.6 18 62 3.4 19 1 48.3 58.5 10/28 New Mexico W 42-3 16 28 234 57.1 38 4 0 174.5 4 20 5.0 11 1 66.0 46.8 11/4 Colorado State W 16-13 10 20 138 50.0 21 0 0 108.0 12 60 5.0 18 0 33.4 25.9 11/11 @Air Force W 28-14 8 11 70 72.7 17 1 0 156.2 4 -15 -3.8 2 1 71.5 53. 9/2 @Iowa L 24-3 23 40 174 57.5 23 0 2 84.0 8 -10 -1.3 11 0 24.9 45.6 9/9 Gardner-Webb W 27-0 22 32 328 68.8 47 2 0 175.5 0 0 0.0 0 0 96.7 91.1 9/16 Oregon L 49-13 9 24 64 37.5 21 0 1 51.6 8 25 3.1 10 1 11.5 15.2 9/23 Hawai'i W 28-21 (OT) 9 19 92 47.4 25 1 0 105.4 6 17 2.8 22 0 63.8 34.6 9/30 Texas State W 45-10 14 24 219 58.3 40 3 0 176.2 8 12 1.5 9 0 82.4 66.5 10/14 @Utah State W 28-23 18 26 208 69.2 28 1 1 141.4 16 36 2.3 16 1 54.1 61.5 10/21 @Boise State L 24-14 12 27 131 44.4 30 1 2 82.6 18 62 3.4 19 1 48.3 58.5 10/28 New Mexico W 42-3 16 28 234 57.1 38 4 0 174.5 4 20 5.0 11 1 66.0 46.8 11/4 Colorado State W 16-13 10 20 138 50.0 21 0 0 108.0 12 60 5.0 18 0 33.4 25.9 11/11 @Air Force W 28-14 8 11 70 72.7 17 1 0 156.2 4 -15 -3.8 2 1 71.5 53. Against Iowa he had 0 TD 2 INT and 57.5 comp % Lost 24-3
Against Oregon he had 0 TD 1 INT and 37.5 comp % Lost 49-13
Against Hawaii he had 1 TD pass and 47.4 comp % Won 28-21 in OT
Against Boise State he had 1 TD 2 INT and 44.4 comp % Lost 24-14
Against Colorado State he had 0 TD and 50.0 comp % Won 16-13
Against NO defenders at the Indy Combines - he threw countless TD passes and 0 INTs. If we all put the glue down, which scenario (playing against pass rushers and DBs or air) would be more representative of joining an NFL team coming off 1-31 football? Now, who are you really trying to convince that this guy is the answer to all our prayers - you or your readers?
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9/2 @Iowa L 24-3 23 40 174 57.5 23 0 2 84.0 8 -10 -1.3 11 0 24.9 45.6 9/9 Gardner-Webb W 27-0 22 32 328 68.8 47 2 0 175.5 0 0 0.0 0 0 96.7 91.1 9/16 Oregon L 49-13 9 24 64 37.5 21 0 1 51.6 8 25 3.1 10 1 11.5 15.2 9/23 Hawai'i W 28-21 (OT) 9 19 92 47.4 25 1 0 105.4 6 17 2.8 22 0 63.8 34.6 9/30 Texas State W 45-10 14 24 219 58.3 40 3 0 176.2 8 12 1.5 9 0 82.4 66.5 10/14 @Utah State W 28-23 18 26 208 69.2 28 1 1 141.4 16 36 2.3 16 1 54.1 61.5 10/21 @Boise State L 24-14 12 27 131 44.4 30 1 2 82.6 18 62 3.4 19 1 48.3 58.5 10/28 New Mexico W 42-3 16 28 234 57.1 38 4 0 174.5 4 20 5.0 11 1 66.0 46.8 11/4 Colorado State W 16-13 10 20 138 50.0 21 0 0 108.0 12 60 5.0 18 0 33.4 25.9 11/11 @Air Force W 28-14 8 11 70 72.7 17 1 0 156.2 4 -15 -3.8 2 1 71.5 53. Against Iowa he had 0 TD 2 INT and 57.5 comp % Lost 24-3
Against Oregon he had 0 TD 1 INT and 37.5 comp % Lost 49-13
Against Hawaii he had 1 TD pass and 47.4 comp % Won 28-21 in OT
Against Boise State he had 1 TD 2 INT and 44.4 comp % Lost 24-14
Against Colorado State he had 0 TD and 50.0 comp % Won 16-13
Against NO defenders at the Indy Combines - he threw countless TD passes and 0 INTs. If we all put the glue down, which scenario (playing against pass rushers and DBs or air) would be more representative of joining an NFL team coming off 1-31 football? Now, who are you really trying to convince that this guy is the answer to all our prayers - you or your readers?
Against NO defenders at the Indy Combines - he threw countless TD passes and 0 INTs. If we all put the glue down, which scenario (playing against pass rushers and DBs or air) would be more representative of joining an NFL team coming off 1-31 football? Now, who are you really trying to convince that this guy is the answer to all our prayers - you or your readers?
I'm going to laugh if the Broncos end up selecting him. It will be like the second coming of.................................wait for it.............................................Paxton Lynch.
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