From nobody to the top of the first round of the draft - Josh Allen
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yet before rosen got there, they were ranked as the #7th team in the nation.
nah.
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I then looking at that common opponent, Rosen had 5 TD's at 88% for 325 yds and zero picks. Giving him a rating of 264.5. Rosen's best games will beat Allen's best games every single time. He's a better QB.
Surely you jest. A common opponent vs the Wyoming talent compared to the common opponent vs the UCLA talent that was rated 7th in the nation the year before?
Come on, man. If you put rosen with Wyoming, he'd suck. He wouldn't have all that talent, and he'd be playing Oregon and Iowa, fer cryin out loud. He would have gotten a few more concussions, as muc has he doesn't move around much and if fragile.
Surely you jest. A common opponent vs the Wyoming talent compared to the common opponent vs the UCLA talent that was rated 7th in the nation the year before?
Come on, man. If you put rosen with Wyoming, he'd suck. He wouldn't have all that talent, and he'd be playing Oregon and Iowa, fer cryin out loud. He would have gotten a few more concussions, as muc has he doesn't move around much and if fragile.
EIDT- They were #13 when the season started. You're getting the #7 from the 2015 season peak ranking. He beat Hawaii in 2017 they were not in the top 25 in the preseason poll.... And if you can show me any 2017 preseason poll that had them in the top 25 then be my guest. They were 4-8 the year before, that doesn't get you a top ten ranking.
I still know that Allen's top 10 games will not look nearly as good as Rosens top 10, no matter how much you wish it otherwise.
Feel free to post their game stats side by side. It's not close no matter how large and red you make the font
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9/2 @Iowa L 24-3 23 40 174 57.5 23 0 2 84.0 8 -10 -1.3 11 0 24.9 45.6 9/9 Gardner-Webb W 27-0 22 32 328 68.8 47 2 0 175.5 0 0 0.0 0 0 96.7 91.1 9/16 Oregon L 49-13 9 24 64 37.5 21 0 1 51.6 8 25 3.1 10 1 11.5 15.2 9/23 Hawai'i W 28-21 (OT) 9 19 92 47.4 25 1 0 105.4 6 17 2.8 22 0 63.8 34.6 9/30 Texas State W 45-10 14 24 219 58.3 40 3 0 176.2 8 12 1.5 9 0 82.4 66.5 10/14 @Utah State W 28-23 18 26 208 69.2 28 1 1 141.4 16 36 2.3 16 1 54.1 61.5 10/21 @Boise State L 24-14 12 27 131 44.4 30 1 2 82.6 18 62 3.4 19 1 48.3 58.5 10/28 New Mexico W 42-3 16 28 234 57.1 38 4 0 174.5 4 20 5.0 11 1 66.0 46.8 11/4 Colorado State W 16-13 10 20 138 50.0 21 0 0 108.0 12 60 5.0 18 0 33.4 25.9 11/11 @Air Force W 28-14 8 11 70 72.7 17 1 0 156.2 4 -15 -3.8 2 1 71.5 53. 9/2 @Iowa L 24-3 23 40 174 57.5 23 0 2 84.0 8 -10 -1.3 11 0 24.9 45.6 9/9 Gardner-Webb W 27-0 22 32 328 68.8 47 2 0 175.5 0 0 0.0 0 0 96.7 91.1 9/16 Oregon L 49-13 9 24 64 37.5 21 0 1 51.6 8 25 3.1 10 1 11.5 15.2 9/23 Hawai'i W 28-21 (OT) 9 19 92 47.4 25 1 0 105.4 6 17 2.8 22 0 63.8 34.6 9/30 Texas State W 45-10 14 24 219 58.3 40 3 0 176.2 8 12 1.5 9 0 82.4 66.5 10/14 @Utah State W 28-23 18 26 208 69.2 28 1 1 141.4 16 36 2.3 16 1 54.1 61.5 10/21 @Boise State L 24-14 12 27 131 44.4 30 1 2 82.6 18 62 3.4 19 1 48.3 58.5 10/28 New Mexico W 42-3 16 28 234 57.1 38 4 0 174.5 4 20 5.0 11 1 66.0 46.8 11/4 Colorado State W 16-13 10 20 138 50.0 21 0 0 108.0 12 60 5.0 18 0 33.4 25.9 11/11 @Air Force W 28-14 8 11 70 72.7 17 1 0 156.2 4 -15 -3.8 2 1 71.5 53. Rosen game by game stats, 2017:
2017 GAME LOG PASSING RUSHING QBR DATE OPP RESULT CMP ATT YDS CMP% LNG TD INT RAT ATT YDS AVG LNG TD RAW QBR ADJ QBR 9/3 Texas A&M W 45-44 35 59 491 59.3 54 4 0 151.6 5 -14 -2.8 7 0 58.8 67.4 9/9 Hawai'i W 56-23 22 25 329 88.0 34 5 0 264.5 2 -17 -8.5 0 0 98.1 93.8 9/16 @Memphis L 48-45 34 56 463 60.7 65 4 2 146.6 7 32 4.6 14 1 68.9 66.1 9/23 @Stanford L 58-34 40 60 480 66.7 48 3 2 143.7 3 15 5.0 13 0 65.7 74.2 9/30 Colorado W 27-23 28 45 372 62.2 46 1 1 134.6 5 7 1.4 4 0 71.4 64.5 10/14 @Arizona L 47-30 20 34 219 58.8 32 0 3 95.3 6 -35 -5.8 0 0 20.1 18.6 10/21 Oregon W 31-14 21 36 266 58.3 49 2 0 138.7 2 -11 -5.5 0 0 63.7 70.8 10/28 @Washington L 44-23 12 21 93 57.1 16 1 0 110.1 6 -19 -3.2 6 0 23.0 37.1 11/3 @Utah L 48-17 No statistics available. 11/11 Arizona State W 44-37 25 45 381 55.6 59 1 1 129.6 4 13 3.3 6 1 59.8 62.4 11/18 @USC L 28-23 32 52 421 61.5 43 3 1 144.7 5 -34 -6.8 1 0 58.7 78.3 11/24 California W 30-27 13 18 202 72.2 33 2 0 203.2 5 -34 -6.8 4 0 77.0 73.4
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Rosen: lowest completion pct. in any game was 55.6%
Allen had 4 games at 50% or less. 4 out of 10: 40% of games.
Rosen: 6 games above 60%. Allen had 3.
Based on the games posted by each above....Rosen was 26-10 TD/Int. Ration. Allen was 13/6.
Does anyone want to argue that the Pac 10 defenses are not a lot tougher than the Mountain West defenses?
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Here's a fun fact...
In 2018 Allen had the 8th highest completion percentage of the QBs in the ten team Mountain West Conference.... and there was a sizeable gap to the #7 ranked QB.
Pass Completion Percentage 1. Kent Myers* • Utah State 62.9 2. Brett Rypien* • Boise State 62.6 3. Marcus McMaryion* • Fresno State 62.1 4. Nick Stevens* • Colorado State 61.9 5. Dru Brown • Hawaii 61.7 6. Ty Gangi • Nevada 61.0 7. Christian Chapman* • San Diego State 59.8 8. Josh Allen* • Wyoming 56.3 9. Montel Aaron • San Jose State 56.0 10. Jordan Love* • Utah State 54.9 Here's a fun fact...
In 2018 Allen had the 8th highest completion percentage of the QBs in the ten team Mountain West Conference.... and there was a sizeable gap to the #7 ranked QB.
Pass Completion Percentage 1. Kent Myers* • Utah State 62.9 2. Brett Rypien* • Boise State 62.6 3. Marcus McMaryion* • Fresno State 62.1 4. Nick Stevens* • Colorado State 61.9 5. Dru Brown • Hawaii 61.7 6. Ty Gangi • Nevada 61.0 7. Christian Chapman* • San Diego State 59.8 8. Josh Allen* • Wyoming 56.3 9. Montel Aaron • San Jose State 56.0 10. Jordan Love* • Utah State 54.9 I think we should draft Christian Chapman at #4 and Rasaad Penny at #1 and have an all SDSU backfield.
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Rosen: lowest completion pct. in any game was 55.6%
Allen had 4 games at 50% or less. 4 out of 10: 40% of games.
Rosen: 6 games above 60%. Allen had 3.
Based on the games posted by each above....Rosen was 26-10 TD/Int. Ration. Allen was 13/6.
Does anyone want to argue that the Pac 10 defenses are not a lot tougher than the Mountain West defenses?
Rosen: lowest completion pct. in any game was 55.6%
Allen had 4 games at 50% or less. 4 out of 10: 40% of games.
Rosen: 6 games above 60%. Allen had 3.
Based on the games posted by each above....Rosen was 26-10 TD/Int. Ration. Allen was 13/6.
Does anyone want to argue that the Pac 10 defenses are not a lot tougher than the Mountain West defenses?
missing the point. UCLA was ranked #7 in the nation the year before rosen got there. OF course rosen had a fast track to wins
and better stats.
Wyoming was not ranked anywhere - they were
2014 record 4–8 (2–6 MW) the year before Wyoming got there.
So, rosen walked into a 7th in the country team, and Allen walked into a losing team that
only went to bowl games in recent years, after Josh Allen was the full time starter.
He led them to the Poinsetta bowl, they lost a close one, 24-21, to BYU.
He led them to the Potato Bowl, and they won, 37-14.
So, rosen didn't raise the level of play of UCLA.
Allen carried the Wyoming football team on his back and raised the level of play dramatically.
Those facts are more fun. I'm done.
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I heard the year before Allen arrived at Wyoming they were ranked 43rd!
I will say this... if we draft Allen and do not sign up cal to be Allen's personal, Sports Psychiatrist we will have fukced up biggly...
We can call them the Bag'o'Rocks Brothers...
yet before rosen got there, they were ranked as the #7th team in the nation.
That would be their 2014 squad.... and back in 1988 they were ranked #1. As my Grandmother used to say, "What does that have to do with the price of eggs?"
UCLA's 2014 squad peaked at #7 in season. Its 2015 squad, Rosen's Frosh year, was ranked #13 preseason and rose to #7 after it won it's 1st four including wins over #19 BYU and #16 Stanford. In all they beat four, top-20 teams during the season and lost to one.
"Facts are stubborn things." - John Adams
Classic cal... anything he stumbles across on the internet that appears at first glance to even remotely support his position he posts without any additional thought. By the time a thoughtful person deconstructs his little misdirection he's already posted a couple more stumblings.
Here' comes the part where he comes back and says he was confused by something or other... like he saw that Hundley was drafted in 2015 so that must mean Rosen's first year was 2016 or some such thing... only proving the point that he has no regard for accuracy.
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nah.
his first year, like I already said, was 2015.2014 is important, because so many of them were underclassmen - and rosen inherited a great setup. A previously ranked #7 in the nation, with a bunch of seniors and juniors playing with him for his last year.
http://www.espn.com/college-football/player/_/id/3886377/josh-rosen
this is where you get mad, bro, and start talking about how so and so agrees with you, so so and so is
the mostest experte' expert on the planet. Not buyin the gravel you are sellin.
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so, here's another fun fact:
Wyoming played Iowa. They lost. Iowa had the 5th best offensive line in college football.
It wasn't Josh Allen's fault they lost.
https://athlonsports.com/college-football/college-footballs-top-50-offensive-lines-2017
Here's another fun fact:
They also played Oregon. Oregon was number 16. Again, not Josh Allen's fault they lost.
Wyoming was ranked #50. I reckon Allen raised the level of play around him, bigtime. Like great players do?
so, here's another fun fact:
Wyoming played Iowa. They lost. Iowa had the 5th best offensive line in college football.
---> It wasn't Josh Allen's fault they lost. <---
https://athlonsports.com/college-football/college-footballs-top-50-offensive-lines-2017
http://www.espn.com/college-football/game?gameId=400935233
Josh Allen: 23-40, 174 YDS, 0 TD, 2 INT
Was Iowa's O-line playing Defense as well?
Here's another fun fact:
They also played Oregon. Oregon was number 16. Again, not Josh Allen's fault they lost.
Wyoming was ranked #50. ---> I reckon Allen raised the level of play around him, bigtime. Like great players do? <---
http://www.espn.com/college-football/game?gameId=400935273
Josh Allen: 9-24, 64 YDS, 0 TD, 1 INT
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I think UCLA gave up 36+ PPG this season. Look at the box scores and how many games they lost when they scored over 40. That shouldn't happen.
Clear that one team threw it far more than the other did. So who's carrying who exactly?
I think UCLA gave up 36+ PPG this season. Look at the box scores and how many games they lost when they scored over 40. That shouldn't happen.
Clear that one team threw it far more than the other did. So who's carrying who exactly?
I'll take UCLA out of the equation for a minute. Allen's best games from a completion% were against Gardner-Webb (Cal still hasn't told me what state that school is in) and a not so powerful Air Force. That his apples to apples % comparison to other Mountain West QBs was an eye opener. Of course, Cal says that stat doesn't matter.
BTW, Rosen completed 88% when they beat Hawaii.
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9/2 @Iowa L 24-3 23 40 174 57.5 23 0 2 84.0 8 -10 -1.3 11 0 24.9 45.6 9/9 Gardner-Webb W 27-0 22 32 328 68.8 47 2 0 175.5 0 0 0.0 0 0 96.7 91.1 9/16 Oregon L 49-13 9 24 64 37.5 21 0 1 51.6 8 25 3.1 10 1 11.5 15.2 9/23 Hawai'i W 28-21 (OT) 9 19 92 47.4 25 1 0 105.4 6 17 2.8 22 0 63.8 34.6 9/30 Texas State W 45-10 14 24 219 58.3 40 3 0 176.2 8 12 1.5 9 0 82.4 66.5 10/14 @Utah State W 28-23 18 26 208 69.2 28 1 1 141.4 16 36 2.3 16 1 54.1 61.5 10/21 @Boise State L 24-14 12 27 131 44.4 30 1 2 82.6 18 62 3.4 19 1 48.3 58.5 10/28 New Mexico W 42-3 16 28 234 57.1 38 4 0 174.5 4 20 5.0 11 1 66.0 46.8 11/4 Colorado State W 16-13 10 20 138 50.0 21 0 0 108.0 12 60 5.0 18 0 33.4 25.9 11/11 @Air Force W 28-14 8 11 70 72.7 17 1 0 156.2 4 -15 -3.8 2 1 71.5 53. 9/2 @Iowa L 24-3 23 40 174 57.5 23 0 2 84.0 8 -10 -1.3 11 0 24.9 45.6 9/9 Gardner-Webb W 27-0 22 32 328 68.8 47 2 0 175.5 0 0 0.0 0 0 96.7 91.1 9/16 Oregon L 49-13 9 24 64 37.5 21 0 1 51.6 8 25 3.1 10 1 11.5 15.2 9/23 Hawai'i W 28-21 (OT) 9 19 92 47.4 25 1 0 105.4 6 17 2.8 22 0 63.8 34.6 9/30 Texas State W 45-10 14 24 219 58.3 40 3 0 176.2 8 12 1.5 9 0 82.4 66.5 10/14 @Utah State W 28-23 18 26 208 69.2 28 1 1 141.4 16 36 2.3 16 1 54.1 61.5 10/21 @Boise State L 24-14 12 27 131 44.4 30 1 2 82.6 18 62 3.4 19 1 48.3 58.5 10/28 New Mexico W 42-3 16 28 234 57.1 38 4 0 174.5 4 20 5.0 11 1 66.0 46.8 11/4 Colorado State W 16-13 10 20 138 50.0 21 0 0 108.0 12 60 5.0 18 0 33.4 25.9 11/11 @Air Force W 28-14 8 11 70 72.7 17 1 0 156.2 4 -15 -3.8 2 1 71.5 53. Against Iowa he had 0 TD 2 INT and 57.5 comp % Lost 24-3
Against Oregon he had 0 TD 1 INT and 37.5 comp % Lost 49-13
Against Hawaii he had 1 TD pass and 47.4 comp % Won 28-21 in OT
Against Boise State he had 1 TD 2 INT and 44.4 comp % Lost 24-14
Against Colorado State he had 0 TD and 50.0 comp % Won 16-13
Against NO defenders at the Indy Combines - he threw countless TD passes and 0 INTs. If we all put the glue down, which scenario (playing against pass rushers and DBs or air) would be more representative of joining an NFL team coming off 1-31 football? Now, who are you really trying to convince that this guy is the answer to all our prayers - you or your readers?
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9/2 @Iowa L 24-3 23 40 174 57.5 23 0 2 84.0 8 -10 -1.3 11 0 24.9 45.6 9/9 Gardner-Webb W 27-0 22 32 328 68.8 47 2 0 175.5 0 0 0.0 0 0 96.7 91.1 9/16 Oregon L 49-13 9 24 64 37.5 21 0 1 51.6 8 25 3.1 10 1 11.5 15.2 9/23 Hawai'i W 28-21 (OT) 9 19 92 47.4 25 1 0 105.4 6 17 2.8 22 0 63.8 34.6 9/30 Texas State W 45-10 14 24 219 58.3 40 3 0 176.2 8 12 1.5 9 0 82.4 66.5 10/14 @Utah State W 28-23 18 26 208 69.2 28 1 1 141.4 16 36 2.3 16 1 54.1 61.5 10/21 @Boise State L 24-14 12 27 131 44.4 30 1 2 82.6 18 62 3.4 19 1 48.3 58.5 10/28 New Mexico W 42-3 16 28 234 57.1 38 4 0 174.5 4 20 5.0 11 1 66.0 46.8 11/4 Colorado State W 16-13 10 20 138 50.0 21 0 0 108.0 12 60 5.0 18 0 33.4 25.9 11/11 @Air Force W 28-14 8 11 70 72.7 17 1 0 156.2 4 -15 -3.8 2 1 71.5 53. Against Iowa he had 0 TD 2 INT and 57.5 comp % Lost 24-3
Against Oregon he had 0 TD 1 INT and 37.5 comp % Lost 49-13
Against Hawaii he had 1 TD pass and 47.4 comp % Won 28-21 in OT
Against Boise State he had 1 TD 2 INT and 44.4 comp % Lost 24-14
Against Colorado State he had 0 TD and 50.0 comp % Won 16-13
Against NO defenders at the Indy Combines - he threw countless TD passes and 0 INTs. If we all put the glue down, which scenario (playing against pass rushers and DBs or air) would be more representative of joining an NFL team coming off 1-31 football? Now, who are you really trying to convince that this guy is the answer to all our prayers - you or your readers?
Against NO defenders at the Indy Combines - he threw countless TD passes and 0 INTs. If we all put the glue down, which scenario (playing against pass rushers and DBs or air) would be more representative of joining an NFL team coming off 1-31 football? Now, who are you really trying to convince that this guy is the answer to all our prayers - you or your readers?
I'm going to laugh if the Broncos end up selecting him. It will be like the second coming of.................................wait for it.............................................Paxton Lynch.
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Tex, you never back anything up with any facts, not even invalidly.
Wentz, Cal’s Jared Goff, Lynch and Michigan State’s Connor Cook – Lynch has the least experience in a pro-style offense.
As a result, some of the footwork on his throws in on-field workouts, designed to mimic a quarterback-center exchange, wasn’t as fluid.
“Nothing is on rhythm and on time, and I’m seeing a lot of that with Paxton,” former quarterback and current NFL Network analyst Kurt Warner said on the broadcast.
He only scored an "18" on the wonderlic.
http://www.businessinsider.com/nfl-scouts-worried-about-paxton-lynch-low-wonderlic-2016-4
Another scout echoed this:
The overall maturity level and disposition, I'd be a bit concerned.
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So, Allen DID play a lot of pro style offense, is bigtime mature, loves the game, and is very smart, with about 30 mph more arm.
Lynch threw 56 mph at the combine.
Need facts, Tex, or your opinions don't amount to nothin, and you need legit facts, to explain why you see things the way ya do.
I may be wrong, sure, but I see things per the reading I've done.
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Tex, you never back anything up with any facts, not even invalidly.
Wentz, Cal’s Jared Goff, Lynch and Michigan State’s Connor Cook – Lynch has the least experience in a pro-style offense.
As a result, some of the footwork on his throws in on-field workouts, designed to mimic a quarterback-center exchange, wasn’t as fluid.
“Nothing is on rhythm and on time, and I’m seeing a lot of that with Paxton,” former quarterback and current NFL Network analyst Kurt Warner said on the broadcast.
He only scored an "18" on the wonderlic.
http://www.businessinsider.com/nfl-scouts-worried-about-paxton-lynch-low-wonderlic-2016-4
Another scout echoed this:
The overall maturity level and disposition, I'd be a bit concerned.
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So, Allen DID play a lot of pro style offense, is bigtime mature, loves the game, and is very smart, with about 30 mph more arm.
Lynch threw 56 mph at the combine.
Need facts, Tex, or your opinions don't amount to nothin, and you need legit facts, to explain why you see things the way ya do.
I may be wrong, sure, but I see things per the reading I've done.
Need facts, Tex, or your opinions don't amount to nothin, and you need legit facts, to explain why you see things the way ya do.
Here's the only fact I needed on Lynch. The Broncos have obviously moved on by acquiring Keenum and are seriously considering taking another QB high in this draft.
You can go research it if you wish. I don't waste my time on it.
As to Allen I watched 4 of his games live this past year for the entire game. I trust my own evaluation off what I see over someone else's fact. You know kind of like over "there"
EDIT: But I will post this "speculation" by D.J.
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Here's a fun fact...
In 2018 Allen had the 8th highest completion percentage of the QBs in the ten team Mountain West Conference.... and there was a sizeable gap to the #7 ranked QB.
Pass Completion Percentage 1. Kent Myers* • Utah State 62.9 2. Brett Rypien* • Boise State 62.6 3. Marcus McMaryion* • Fresno State 62.1 4. Nick Stevens* • Colorado State 61.9 5. Dru Brown • Hawaii 61.7 6. Ty Gangi • Nevada 61.0 7. Christian Chapman* • San Diego State 59.8 8. Josh Allen* • Wyoming 56.3 9. Montel Aaron • San Jose State 56.0 10. Jordan Love* • Utah State 54.9 I think we should draft Christian Chapman at #4 and Rasaad Penny at #1 and have an all SDSU backfield.
I think we should draft Christian Chapman at #4 and Rasaad Penny at #1 and have an all SDSU backfield.
Bring back Brian Sipe as a coach.
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Rosen: lowest completion pct. in any game was 55.6%
Allen had 4 games at 50% or less. 4 out of 10: 40% of games.
Rosen: 6 games above 60%. Allen had 3.
Based on the games posted by each above....Rosen was 26-10 TD/Int. Ration. Allen was 13/6.
Does anyone want to argue that the Pac 10 defenses are not a lot tougher than the Mountain West defenses?
missing the point. UCLA was ranked #7 in the nation the year before rosen got there. OF course rosen had a fast track to wins
and better stats.
Wyoming was not ranked anywhere - they were
2014 record 4–8 (2–6 MW) the year before Wyoming got there.
So, rosen walked into a 7th in the country team, and Allen walked into a losing team that
only went to bowl games in recent years, after Josh Allen was the full time starter.
He led them to the Poinsetta bowl, they lost a close one, 24-21, to BYU.
He led them to the Potato Bowl, and they won, 37-14.
So, rosen didn't raise the level of play of UCLA.
Allen carried the Wyoming football team on his back and raised the level of play dramatically.
Those facts are more fun. I'm done.
missing the point.
NOT missing any fuyucking point. The point is that Rosen is far more accurate. THAT is the point.
UCLA was ranked #7 in the nation the year before rosen got there. OF course rosen had a fast track to wins
and better stats.
Wyoming was not ranked anywhere - they were
So...basically....there is NO point that you are trying to make.
2014 record 4–8 (2–6 MW) the year before Wyoming got there.
So, rosen walked into a 7th in the country team, and Allen walked into a losing team that
only went to bowl games in recent years, after Josh Allen was the full time starter.
He led them to the Poinsetta bowl, they lost a close one, 24-21, to BYU.
He led them to the Potato Bowl, and they won, 37-14.
So, rosen didn't raise the level of play of UCLA.
Allen carried the Wyoming football team on his back and raised the level of play dramatically.
Those facts are more fun. I'm done.
With those facts.....the conclusion is: Rosen would be the far more reliable accurate NFL passer.
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