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  • has nothing to do with politics. Fake news. I had rosenbum off my list well before I read about the

    political thing. It is what it is. What is this about rosenbum being Jewish??? and why would that matter?

    @calfoxwc said:

    has nothing to do with politics. Fake news. I had rosenbum off my list well before I read about the

    political thing. It is what it is. What is this about rosenbum being Jewish??? and why would that matter?

    Because of your constant rhetoric Cal....people believe that you are among or sympathetic to this crowd:

    Hopefully, you will completely repudiate this perception of you....but that perception exists.

  • @calfoxwc said:

    has nothing to do with politics. Fake news. I had rosenbum off my list well before I read about the

    political thing. It is what it is. What is this about rosenbum being Jewish??? and why would that matter?

    Because of your constant rhetoric Cal....people believe that you are among or sympathetic to this crowd:

    Hopefully, you will completely repudiate this perception of you....but that perception exists.

    @the-gipper said:

    Because of your constant rhetoric Cal....people believe that you are among or sympathetic to this crowd:

    Hopefully, you will completely repudiate this perception of you....but that perception exists.

     Gip you're an idiot. 

    WSS

  • It's almost like Rosen comes from a wealthy family that could afford all of the QB coaching they could possibly give him...

    @mld-woody said:

    It's almost like Rosen comes from a wealthy family that could afford all of the QB coaching they could possibly give him...

    I think the question about the character might possibly have to do something with that. If you've been Rich all your life and just athletically gifted you be less dedicated to succeed in sports. 

    WSS

  • @calfoxwc said:

    has nothing to do with politics. Fake news. I had rosenbum off my list well before I read about the

    political thing. It is what it is. What is this about rosenbum being Jewish??? and why would that matter?

    Because of your constant rhetoric Cal....people believe that you are among or sympathetic to this crowd:

    Hopefully, you will completely repudiate this perception of you....but that perception exists.

    @the-gipper said:

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    @calfoxwc said:

    has nothing to do with politics. Fake news. I had rosenbum off my list well before I read about the

    political thing. It is what it is. What is this about rosenbum being Jewish??? and why would that matter?

    Because of your constant rhetoric Cal....people believe that you are among or sympathetic to this crowd:

    Hopefully, you will completely repudiate this perception of you....but that perception exists.

    oh. NOW Rosen is BLACK and that is why I don't have him on my list of draftable qb's if I were drafting?

    Stop being a moron. Wait, let me guess that he is also fakely adopting being Pocahontas, too? Some of you keep bringing up politics because you love rosen's politics. That is pretty sad. It's a football forum. Stop wetting your pants about the other forum, Gip.

  • @mld-woody said:

    It's almost like Rosen comes from a wealthy family that could afford all of the QB coaching they could possibly give him...

    I think the question about the character might possibly have to do something with that. If you've been Rich all your life and just athletically gifted you be less dedicated to succeed in sports. 

    WSS

    @westside-steve said:

    I think the question about the character might possibly have to do something with that.

    Those questions are 100% unfounded gossip

    Keep doubling down on those lies while ignoring fact! Nothing's more fun than making snap judgements and repeating your pie-in-the-sky conclusion louder when called out!  Never address reality, you're making your own! Nobody would ever say things like that about you - all gossip is real!

  • @the-gipper said:

    Because of your constant rhetoric Cal....people believe that you are among or sympathetic to this crowd:

    Hopefully, you will completely repudiate this perception of you....but that perception exists.

     Gip you're an idiot. 

    WSS

    @westside-steve said:

     Gip you're an idiot. 

    WSS

    But I am absolutely right about this perception.

    Nevertheless....Cal can certainly disavow it...and hopefully resolve it. 

    Having met him, I would think, and hope not.

    Sorry that I had to be the one to have the courage to bring it to the surface. 

  • @westside-steve said:

    I think the question about the character might possibly have to do something with that.

    Those questions are 100% unfounded gossip

    Keep doubling down on those lies while ignoring fact! Nothing's more fun than making snap judgements and repeating your pie-in-the-sky conclusion louder when called out!  Never address reality, you're making your own! Nobody would ever say things like that about you - all gossip is real!

    @unsympathetic said:

    Those questions are 100% unfounded gossip

    Keep doubling down on those lies while ignoring fact! Nothing's more fun than making snap judgements and repeating your pie-in-the-sky conclusion louder when called out!  Never address reality, you're making your own! Nobody would ever say things like that about you - all gossip is real!

    Trust me man, the vast majority of us know this to be true. You're just wasting your time with the Cals of the world though. He'll just resort back to the same 3 articles from several months ago and hang onto em for dear life.

  • @westside-steve said:

    I think the question about the character might possibly have to do something with that.

    Those questions are 100% unfounded gossip

    Keep doubling down on those lies while ignoring fact! Nothing's more fun than making snap judgements and repeating your pie-in-the-sky conclusion louder when called out!  Never address reality, you're making your own! Nobody would ever say things like that about you - all gossip is real!

    @unsympathetic said:

    Those questions are 100% unfounded gossip

    Keep doubling down on those lies while ignoring fact! Nothing's more fun than making snap judgements and repeating your pie-in-the-sky conclusion louder when called out!  Never address reality, you're making your own! Nobody would ever say things like that about you - all gossip is real!

    I don't think it's outside the realm of possibility to say that someone who is already set financially and with more life options available to him may have less need of whatever Sports can bring him might be less dedicated to that sport. I did use the word might which should have assuaged little of your whining at least.

    WSS

  • @the-gipper said:

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    @calfoxwc said:

    has nothing to do with politics. Fake news. I had rosenbum off my list well before I read about the

    political thing. It is what it is. What is this about rosenbum being Jewish??? and why would that matter?

    Because of your constant rhetoric Cal....people believe that you are among or sympathetic to this crowd:

    Hopefully, you will completely repudiate this perception of you....but that perception exists.

    oh. NOW Rosen is BLACK and that is why I don't have him on my list of draftable qb's if I were drafting?

    Stop being a moron. Wait, let me guess that he is also fakely adopting being Pocahontas, too? Some of you keep bringing up politics because you love rosen's politics. That is pretty sad. It's a football forum. Stop wetting your pants about the other forum, Gip.

    @calfoxwc said:

    oh. NOW Rosen is BLACK and that is why I don't have him on my list of draftable qb's if I were drafting?

    Uh...no...Rosen is Jewish.....the video was the anti-Jewish rally.  

    Stop being a moron. Wait, let me guess that he is also fakely adopting being Pocahontas, too? Some of you keep bringing up politics because you love rosen's politics. That is pretty sad. It's a football forum. Stop wetting your pants about the other forum, Gip.

    I don't give a shite about Rosen's politics, nor about the other forum.  I am only, honestly, saying that there is a perception here that your hate of Rosen is not based on his football talent or character...but on something else.  

    Now, as I said,  hope that perception is completely wrong...and that you will disavow anything that implies that your disdain for Rosen is because of his race/religion/national background etc.  Here is your opportunity.

  • @westside-steve said:

     Gip you're an idiot. 

    WSS

    But I am absolutely right about this perception.

    Nevertheless....Cal can certainly disavow it...and hopefully resolve it. 

    Having met him, I would think, and hope not.

    Sorry that I had to be the one to have the courage to bring it to the surface. 

    @the-gipper said:

    But I am absolutely right about this perception.

    Nevertheless....Cal can certainly disavow it...and hopefully resolve it. 

    Having met him, I would think, and hope not.

    Sorry that I had to be the one to have the courage to bring it to the surface. 

    No you are not right about his perception. You are an idiot and a loudmouth and you don't know what you're talking about. You have no courage, no brains and in this instance no clue.

    This has nothing to do with your stupid politics or his. I know Cal personally and I know him to be one of the most pro-israel pro-jewish guys in my acquaintance.

    You can take it from here Cal.

    WSS

  • @the-gipper said:

    But I am absolutely right about this perception.

    Nevertheless....Cal can certainly disavow it...and hopefully resolve it. 

    Having met him, I would think, and hope not.

    Sorry that I had to be the one to have the courage to bring it to the surface. 

    No you are not right about his perception. You are an idiot and a loudmouth and you don't know what you're talking about. You have no courage, no brains and in this instance no clue.

    This has nothing to do with your stupid politics or his. I know Cal personally and I know him to be one of the most pro-israel pro-jewish guys in my acquaintance.

    You can take it from here Cal.

    WSS

    @westside-steve said:

    No you are not right about his perception. You are an idiot and a loudmouth and you don't know what you're talking about. You have no courage, no brains and in this instance no clue.

    This has nothing to do with your stupid politics or his. I know Cal personally and I know him to be one of the most pro-israel pro-jewish guys I know.

    You can take it from here Cal.

    WSS

    Well...good,  but the fact is that perception was/is there.  (It isn't his perception...it is our perception) 

    And you KNOW that I am one of the most tolerant of individuals you have ever met.  So, good for Cal. 

  • @westside-steve said:

    No you are not right about his perception. You are an idiot and a loudmouth and you don't know what you're talking about. You have no courage, no brains and in this instance no clue.

    This has nothing to do with your stupid politics or his. I know Cal personally and I know him to be one of the most pro-israel pro-jewish guys I know.

    You can take it from here Cal.

    WSS

    Well...good,  but the fact is that perception was/is there.  (It isn't his perception...it is our perception) 

    And you KNOW that I am one of the most tolerant of individuals you have ever met.  So, good for Cal. 

    @the-gipper said:

     

    Well...good,  but the fact is that perception was/is there.  (It isn't his perception...it is our perception) 

    And you KNOW that I am one of the most tolerant of individuals you have ever met.  So, good for Cal. 

    Anyone who shares that perception is an idiot. Just for the record we're not talking about your tolerance levels whatever they might be. 
    WSS
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  • I'm a nobody of course but it's clear to me that Rosen is the top passer in the draft. I don't even think it's close. The real issue for me is durability, especially with Joe Thomas retired.

  • I'm a nobody of course but it's clear to me that Rosen is the top passer in the draft. I don't even think it's close. The real issue for me is durability, especially with Joe Thomas retired.

    @hish747 said:

    I'm a nobody of course but it's clear to me that Rosen is the top passer in the draft. I don't even think it's close. The real issue for me is durability, especially with Joe Thomas retired.

    That's certainly a concern. On the other hand Deshone Kizer didn't get killed after Joe was hurt.

    Also I don't think I'm the only guy who's mentioned a concern with Rosen's coachability.

    Which may or may not be valid.

    WSS

  • The knee jerk reaction by immature jackwagons to ascribe negative labels on anybody who disagrees with them,

    is an epidemic.

    Too bad - it's identity politics gone nazi brownshirt. It will just stink up this board, and the childish putting of discussion opponents

    on the personal defensive reeks of ignorant belligerence. It seems to be self-serving "Lord of the Flies" hostility once in a while.

    Too bad. Demagoguery gone wild. Too bad. That's stooping really low.

  • @hish747 said:

    I'm a nobody of course but it's clear to me that Rosen is the top passer in the draft. I don't even think it's close. The real issue for me is durability, especially with Joe Thomas retired.

    That's certainly a concern. On the other hand Deshone Kizer didn't get killed after Joe was hurt.

    Also I don't think I'm the only guy who's mentioned a concern with Rosen's coachability.

    Which may or may not be valid.

    WSS

    @westside-steve said:

    That's certainly a concern. On the other hand Deshone Kizer didn't get killed after Joe was hurt.

    Also I don't think I'm the only guy who's mentioned a concern with Rosen's coachability.

    Which may or may not be valid.

    WSS

       I've repeated many times, that Rosen is considered the "best pure pocket passer". That doesn't tell me he's ready to lead a pro team, and battle for a city and team fan group, to win. I posted about Ryan Leaf, and several things he says about himself - apply to rosen.

       The pro level requires serious dedication and work. Plenty of college qb's drafted crash in the NFL. They don't make it, or maybe just languish around the league. It's all been said about these qb's.

       Again, when I watched the state farm college all star competition - other players didn't seem to be drawn to rosen. They were to all sorts of other players. The quarterbacks laughed and cheered each other on. Rosen went out of his way to high five a few guys - it seems forced. He doesn't seem to make friends easily. And when a college qb admits he had trouble with women on his own campus not liking him..."who don't know him"... I think that is just another smoke whisp that could signal trouble ahead.

      Just go read up on Ryan Leaf's sad introspective appraisal of his attitudes, etc when he was in college and entered the NFL.

    Hopefully, Rosen does and has a very fine career because of it.

  • And still after all this Rosen  is the guy I would probably select if it was up to me. Mayfield would be number two. Just because the bulk of the information is that Rosen is the most pro-ready guy in the draft. 

    If his 'I don't want to go to Cleveland I want to go to New York' attitude rears its head then I would be disappointed if we had him. 

    WSS

  • wrongo. How about Mayock? Personally, I'd have rosenbum tied with Lamar Jackson at five.

    Was watching the NFL channel- some have the squealers drafting Mason Rudolph to toss little passes to Antonio Brown all over the place.

    With the NFL Scouting Combine beginning in two weeks, Mike Mayock unveils the first of his position-by-position rankings for the 2018 NFL Draft.

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000916367/article/mike-mayocks-2018-nfl-draft-position-rankings

    Quarterback

    1. Sam Darnold, USC
    2. Josh Allen, Wyoming
    3. Josh Rosen, UCLA
    4. Baker Mayfield, Oklahoma
    T-5. Lamar Jackson, Louisville
    T-5. Mason Rudolph, Oklahoma State

    @calfoxwc said:

    wrongo. How about Mayock? Personally, I'd have rosenbum tied with Lamar Jackson at five.

    Was watching the NFL channel- some have the squealers drafting Mason Rudolph to toss little passes to Antonio Brown all over the place.

    With the NFL Scouting Combine beginning in two weeks, Mike Mayock unveils the first of his position-by-position rankings for the 2018 NFL Draft.

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000916367/article/mike-mayocks-2018-nfl-draft-position-rankings

    Quarterback

    1. Sam Darnold, USC
    2. Josh Allen, Wyoming
    3. Josh Rosen, UCLA
    4. Baker Mayfield, Oklahoma
    T-5. Lamar Jackson, Louisville
    T-5. Mason Rudolph, Oklahoma State

    Um, let's see Cal the Scouting Combine was when? And that list hasn't been updated recently. I think the latest mock (which isn't going to be worth the powder to blow it to hell) comes out tonight at 8PM 212 Directv.   

    @jrb12711 said:

    Trust me man, the vast majority of us know this to be true. You're just wasting your time with the Cals of the world though. He'll just resort back to the same 3 articles from several months ago and hang onto em for dear life.

    See above, he's true to form....  

  • Gil Brandt chimes in... not a bad endorsement.

    Gil Brandt‏Verified account @Gil_Brandt

    Talked w/ @josh3rosen this morning. Told me he wished it had rained during his @UCLAFootball pro day so he could show teams he could wing it in all elements. He did have plenty of wind to contend with and looked terrific both rolling out and in pocket. Best passer in this draft.

    @tour2ma said:

    Gil Brandt chimes in... not a bad endorsement.

    Gil Brandt‏Verified account @Gil_Brandt

    Talked w/ @josh3rosen this morning. Told me he wished it had rained during his @UCLAFootball pro day so he could show teams he could wing it in all elements. He did have plenty of wind to contend with and looked terrific both rolling out and in pocket. Best passer in this draft.

    Tour,

    I have a question for you & your mailbox is full....

    Rosens' talent & abilities can't be questioned, but I am concerned about his injury history. Are you concerned regarding past (and possibly future) concussion & shoulder issues? If not, what reasons for optimism are there?

    Thanks,

    Mike

  • I think we are taking Darnold, he’s a young kid. We wouldn’t have traded for Taylor if it was Rosen. He doesn’t need a year to learn. Mayfield doesn’t either