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  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    @westside-steve said:

    I know Cal personally and I know him to be one of the most pro-israel pro-jewish guys in my acquaintance.

    First, being pro-Israel and pro-Jewish are not synonymous. There are a lot of Christians who are the former, but not the latter.

    @westside-steve said:

    Which may or may not be valid.

    There... All it takes to breakthru is to allow for the possibility that a position is incorrect.

    @dutch-oven said:

    Of all the cal's we get the extreme pleasure of reading on this board, I can confidently say that "snowflake victim cal" is my favorite cal. 

    It's the projection that always entertains... that ultimate, prideful ascription of what is truest in him to those with whom he disagrees.

    I swear... the smirk with which he surely types that... is palpable.

    @tour2ma said:

    First, being pro-Israel and pro-Jewish are not synonymous. There are a lot of Christians who are the former, but not the latter.

    So is that your perceptionor too or just bloviating?

    There... All it takes to breakthru is to allow for the possibility that a position is incorrect.

    Try it sometime.

    It's the projection that always entertains... that ultimate, prideful ascription of what is truest in him to those with whom he disagrees.

    I swear... the smirk with which he surely types that... is palpable.

    Said the kettle to the pot.

    WSD

    www.westsidesteve.com www.myspace.com/westsidestevemusic www.cdbaby.com/artist/westsidestevesimmons
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  • Canton MikeC Canton Mike

    @tour2ma said:

    Gil Brandt chimes in... not a bad endorsement.

    Gil Brandt‏Verified account @Gil_Brandt

    Talked w/ @josh3rosen this morning. Told me he wished it had rained during his @UCLAFootball pro day so he could show teams he could wing it in all elements. He did have plenty of wind to contend with and looked terrific both rolling out and in pocket. Best passer in this draft.

    Tour,

    I have a question for you & your mailbox is full....

    Rosens' talent & abilities can't be questioned, but I am concerned about his injury history. Are you concerned regarding past (and possibly future) concussion & shoulder issues? If not, what reasons for optimism are there?

    Thanks,

    Mike

    @canton-mike said:

    I have a question for you & your mailbox is full....

    Rosens' talent & abilities can't be questioned, but I am concerned about his injury history. Are you concerned regarding past (and possibly future) concussion & shoulder issues? If not, what reasons for optimism are there?

    My mailbox is 10% full??? Anywho...

    It's not so much that I'm optimistic, as that I decided to not be pessimistic. If I were looking for a tie-breaker, then even a very small health concern could push me off of Rosen, but the talent gap I see is so big that I need a disqualifier.

    Unless a congenital propensity for Rosen to be concussed is uncovered by Medical I'm good. Two concussions in three years at UCLA is not an alarming number. To scratch him for that is an overreaction.

    As for the shoulder, that's a complete non-issue. The soft-tissue injury had it's origins back in his tennis days. It was aggravated by a hit. It healed after surgical repair. End of story...

    @nero said:

    Tour, 

    I have a question for you and your mailbox is full...

    What's your take? Should I put on my burger mustard and then ketchup, or ketchup and then mustard? 

    While you're at it, classic mustard or honey mustard? In Spain we have less variety in mustards.

    Thanks,

    Nero

    Nope... still not full...

    Much easier question since I am not a mustard fan... skip the mustard. Ketchup and grilled onions are the way to go. But if you want a little "bite" to your burger, go with some blue cheese.

    My name is Tour and I'm here to help...

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
  • W Westside Steve

    @tour2ma said:

    First, being pro-Israel and pro-Jewish are not synonymous. There are a lot of Christians who are the former, but not the latter.

    So is that your perceptionor too or just bloviating?

    There... All it takes to breakthru is to allow for the possibility that a position is incorrect.

    Try it sometime.

    It's the projection that always entertains... that ultimate, prideful ascription of what is truest in him to those with whom he disagrees.

    I swear... the smirk with which he surely types that... is palpable.

    Said the kettle to the pot.

    WSD

    @westside-steve said:

    @tour2ma said:

    First, being pro-Israel and pro-Jewish are not synonymous. There are a lot of Christians who are the former, but not the latter.

    So is that your perceptionor too or just bloviating?

    There... All it takes to breakthru is to allow for the possibility that a position is incorrect.

    Try it sometime.

    It's the projection that always entertains... that ultimate, prideful ascription of what is truest in him to those with whom he disagrees.

    I swear... the smirk with which he surely types that... is palpable.

    Said the kettle to the pot.

    WSD

    Well... I see our age of civility is over... pity.

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
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  • NeroN Nero

    @tour2ma said:

    Gil Brandt chimes in... not a bad endorsement.

    Gil Brandt‏Verified account @Gil_Brandt

    Talked w/ @josh3rosen this morning. Told me he wished it had rained during his @UCLAFootball pro day so he could show teams he could wing it in all elements. He did have plenty of wind to contend with and looked terrific both rolling out and in pocket. Best passer in this draft.

    Tour, 

    I have a question for you and your mailbox is full...

    What's your take? Should I put on my burger mustard and then ketchup, or ketchup and then mustard? 

    While you're at it, classic mustard or honey mustard? In Spain we have less variety in mustards.

    Thanks,

    Nero

    @nero said:

    Tour, 

    I have a question for you and your mailbox is full...

    What's your take? Should I put on my burger mustard and then ketchup, or ketchup and then mustard? 

    While you're at it, classic mustard or honey mustard? In Spain we have less variety in mustards.

    Thanks,

    Nero

    What the Hell is going on in this thread?  I went back to try to find a thread and I stumbled across your prayers thread Nero.  One of the first guys that had your back in it was Canton Mike. 

    I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!"
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  • Ah blue cheese and add some mushroom slices simmered in butter. Now that's a burger.

  • FlugelF Flugel

    @nero said:

    Tour, 

    I have a question for you and your mailbox is full...

    What's your take? Should I put on my burger mustard and then ketchup, or ketchup and then mustard? 

    While you're at it, classic mustard or honey mustard? In Spain we have less variety in mustards.

    Thanks,

    Nero

    What the Hell is going on in this thread?  I went back to try to find a thread and I stumbled across your prayers thread Nero.  One of the first guys that had your back in it was Canton Mike. 

    @flugel said:

    What the Hell is going on in this thread?  I went back to try to find a thread and I stumbled across your prayers thread Nero.  One of the first guys that had your back in it was Canton Mike. 

    Natives are restless tonight Flugs-just a little bitch slapping between folks who would otherwise sit down for a beer with one another. Internet sucks that way you know.

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  • http://www.nfl.com/draft/2018/profiles/josh-rosen?id=2560059

    Weaknesses

    Durability is a concern. Carries slight build and has had injury issues dating back to high school. Carries ball low in pocket with slight upward pre-throw hitch. Too casual in pocket set-up. Decision making and post-snap reads are inconsistent. Refuses easy throws at times. Arm talent and strength are below average. May need to make greater effort to drive field and seam throws. Poor career deep ball completion rate. Excess air under ball allows challenges. Lacks gun to challenge safeties with rip throws over the top. Needs better anticipation. Poor mobility. Struggles to elude early pressure. Completed just 42.4 percent of his throws when forced to move. Too much hero ball. Extends plays and takes unnecessary chances rather than throwing it away. Scouts question his passion for football and whether he will be a willing student.

     

    Draft Projection

    Round 1

    Sources Tell Us

    "He wasn't the guy everyone rallied around in college and you don't have to dig around for too long to find people who said he was hard to coach. He's definitely talented. Nobody questions that. But he's going to have to get grown men to buy into him as their leader. That is not a given." -- NFL Executive

    NFL Comparison

    Trent Green

    Bottom Line

    Josh Rosen's footwork and mechanics make him as pretty a quarterback as you will find in this year's draft. The biggest concern with Rosen is that his on-field success requires many elements to stay on schedule. He lacks plus arm strength, so identifying coverage (pre- and post-snap) and throwing with anticipation takes on added importance. Rosen has the pocket poise, accuracy and intelligence to become a good NFL starter, but he needs to be willing to take what defenses give him more frequently. Rosen will need to quell concerns surrounding leadership and coachability early on in order to establish a strong first impression and get his career off on the right foot. -Lance Zierlein
  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    @westside-steve said:

    @tour2ma said:

    First, being pro-Israel and pro-Jewish are not synonymous. There are a lot of Christians who are the former, but not the latter.

    So is that your perceptionor too or just bloviating?

    There... All it takes to breakthru is to allow for the possibility that a position is incorrect.

    Try it sometime.

    It's the projection that always entertains... that ultimate, prideful ascription of what is truest in him to those with whom he disagrees.

    I swear... the smirk with which he surely types that... is palpable.

    Said the kettle to the pot.

    WSD

    Well... I see our age of civility is over... pity.

    @tour2ma said:

    Well... I see our age of civility is over... pity.

    I merely followed suit. Frankly I was surprised you went on attack.

    WSS

    www.westsidesteve.com www.myspace.com/westsidestevemusic www.cdbaby.com/artist/westsidestevesimmons
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  • T TexasAg1969

    @flugel said:

    What the Hell is going on in this thread?  I went back to try to find a thread and I stumbled across your prayers thread Nero.  One of the first guys that had your back in it was Canton Mike. 

    Natives are restless tonight Flugs-just a little bitch slapping between folks who would otherwise sit down for a beer with one another. Internet sucks that way you know.

    @texasag1969 said:

    Natives are restless tonight Flugs-just a little bitch slapping between folks who would otherwise sit down for a beer with one another. Internet sucks that way you know.

    Don't get me wrong - I love me some smart asss when it's well deserved. 

    I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!"
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  • W Westside Steve

    @tour2ma said:

    Well... I see our age of civility is over... pity.

    I merely followed suit. Frankly I was surprised you went on attack.

    WSS

    @westside-steve said:

    I merely followed suit. Frankly I was surprised you went on attack.

    I attacked you?

    You've been hanging with cal too long... have developed his "complex".

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
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  • FlugelF Flugel

    @texasag1969 said:

    Natives are restless tonight Flugs-just a little bitch slapping between folks who would otherwise sit down for a beer with one another. Internet sucks that way you know.

    Don't get me wrong - I love me some smart asss when it's well deserved. 

    @flugel said:

    Don't get me wrong - I love me some smart asss when it's well deserved. 

    I just thought it was funny that my Inbox is basically empty...

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
  • T TexasAg1969

    @flugel said:

    What the Hell is going on in this thread?  I went back to try to find a thread and I stumbled across your prayers thread Nero.  One of the first guys that had your back in it was Canton Mike. 

    Natives are restless tonight Flugs-just a little bitch slapping between folks who would otherwise sit down for a beer with one another. Internet sucks that way you know.

    @texasag1969 said:

    Natives are restless tonight Flugs-just a little bitch slapping between folks who would otherwise sit down for a beer with one another. Internet sucks that way you know.

    Going to be a lot more of them as 2018 rolls towards November...

    It getting really Stormy out there...

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
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  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    @westside-steve said:

    I merely followed suit. Frankly I was surprised you went on attack.

    I attacked you?

    You've been hanging with cal too long... have developed his "complex".

    @tour2ma said:

    I attacked you?

    You've been hanging with cal too long... have developed his "complex".

    Calling someone who doesn't want the quarterback you do  a nazi is pretty weak Shite.

    . 

    WSS

    www.westsidesteve.com www.myspace.com/westsidestevemusic www.cdbaby.com/artist/westsidestevesimmons
  • W Westside Steve

    @tour2ma said:

    I attacked you?

    You've been hanging with cal too long... have developed his "complex".

    Calling someone who doesn't want the quarterback you do  a nazi is pretty weak Shite.

    . 

    WSS

    @westside-steve said:

    Calling someone who doesn't want the quarterback you do  a nazi is pretty weak Shite.

    Yes it is... probably why I did not do that.

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    @texasag1969 said:

    Natives are restless tonight Flugs-just a little bitch slapping between folks who would otherwise sit down for a beer with one another. Internet sucks that way you know.

    Going to be a lot more of them as 2018 rolls towards November...

    It getting really Stormy out there...

    @tour2ma said:

    Going to be a lot more of them as 2018 rolls towards November...

    It getting really Stormy out there...

    Oh folks will have plenty of time to Mueller it over before then.😆

    😂

  • lmao...

    Seriously I was...

    ... and it was not that funny...

    ... just funnier than my lil effort.

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
  • hish747H hish747

    @londonbrown said:

    I think we are taking Darnold, he’s a young kid. We wouldn’t have traded for Taylor if it was Rosen. He doesn’t need a year to learn. Mayfield doesn’t either

    Darnold certainly is the way the wind blows. Still, I don't see how anyone who watched USC's bowl game and saw how shell-shocked Darnold looked could have come away with anything but serious reservations about him. I know it's just one game, but it was the big one where he was supposed to elevate his game.

    So is Darnold a foregone conclusion? Maybe but I have a hard time believing it. I almost think BPA at 1 and Josh Allen at 4. I'm not a huge Josh Allen fan, but think his upside, to be realized would require him to sit for a year just like Darnold.

    @hish747 said:

    Darnold certainly is the way the wind blows. Still, I don't see how anyone who watched USC's bowl game and saw how shell-shocked Darnold looked could have come away with anything but serious reservations about him. I know it's just one game, but it was the big one where he was supposed to elevate his game.

    So is Darnold a foregone conclusion? Maybe but I have a hard time believing it. I almost think BPA at 1 and Josh Allen at 4. I'm not a huge Josh Allen fan, but think his upside, to be realized would require him to sit for a year just like Darnold.

    I wouldn't hold Darnold's bowl game with OSU too much against him- welcome to looking at your first real "pro" defense. That was the same defense that made Saquon look real ordinary. Like 40 some yards, and most of it on one run...   

    @calfoxwc said:

    https://thebiglead.com/2018/02/26/the-perception-that-josh-rosen-has-a-bad-attitude-could-cost-him-millions/

    Again Cal- take note of the date- that's pre-combine, and the perception of Rosen around the league changed drastically after his press conference and interviews in Indy....   🙄

    @westside-steve said:

    Calling someone who doesn't want the quarterback you do  a nazi is pretty weak Shite.. 

    WSS

    They used to say... When you bring in the Nazis, you've lost the argument...  

  • hoortaH hoorta

    @hish747 said:

    Darnold certainly is the way the wind blows. Still, I don't see how anyone who watched USC's bowl game and saw how shell-shocked Darnold looked could have come away with anything but serious reservations about him. I know it's just one game, but it was the big one where he was supposed to elevate his game.

    So is Darnold a foregone conclusion? Maybe but I have a hard time believing it. I almost think BPA at 1 and Josh Allen at 4. I'm not a huge Josh Allen fan, but think his upside, to be realized would require him to sit for a year just like Darnold.

    I wouldn't hold Darnold's bowl game with OSU too much against him- welcome to looking at your first real "pro" defense. That was the same defense that made Saquon look real ordinary. Like 40 some yards, and most of it on one run...   

    @calfoxwc said:

    https://thebiglead.com/2018/02/26/the-perception-that-josh-rosen-has-a-bad-attitude-could-cost-him-millions/

    Again Cal- take note of the date- that's pre-combine, and the perception of Rosen around the league changed drastically after his press conference and interviews in Indy....   🙄

    @westside-steve said:

    Calling someone who doesn't want the quarterback you do  a nazi is pretty weak Shite.. 

    WSS

    They used to say... When you bring in the Nazis, you've lost the argument...  

    @hoorta said:

    Again Cal- take note of the date- that's pre-combine, and the perception of Rosen around the league changed drastically after his press conference and interviews in Indy....   🙄

    yes, I know. You can't blame rosen - he admitted well before he had a problem with women on his campus, etc etc etc etc, scouts, NFL execs, sportswriters... etc

    of course he has been trying to show a more responsible side of himself. Just watching him closely at that all star competition - he was trying to reach out to guys here and there, when nobody I noticed reached out to him. Even just the qbs were having fun hanging out together here and there - and rosen was on the bench just sitting there. He had to try to show he can get past all the rumors and actions of his own doing. That's all. Good luck to him. I hope he doesn't flame out like Ryan Leaf - not even predicting it - just concerned about his personality and lack of durability, mobility, self-centeredness, etc. That doesn't fix itself just because a player was on their best behavior at the combine.

  • FlugelF Flugel

    @nero said:

    Tour, 

    I have a question for you and your mailbox is full...

    What's your take? Should I put on my burger mustard and then ketchup, or ketchup and then mustard? 

    While you're at it, classic mustard or honey mustard? In Spain we have less variety in mustards.

    Thanks,

    Nero

    What the Hell is going on in this thread?  I went back to try to find a thread and I stumbled across your prayers thread Nero.  One of the first guys that had your back in it was Canton Mike. 

    @flugel said:

    What the Hell is going on in this thread?  I went back to try to find a thread and I stumbled across your prayers thread Nero.  One of the first guys that had your back in it was Canton Mike. 

    I thought it was a very innocent joke! Come on, man! I don't have any problem with Mike. In fact I enjoy reading his opinions on the Board. 

    @texasag1969 said:

    Natives are restless tonight Flugs-just a little bitch slapping between folks who would otherwise sit down for a beer with one another. Internet sucks that way you know.

    If it's about beer, I think I would have a great time having one with anyone in this board, but I try to be the same sarcastic guy as I am in real life. And I try not put all my anger away on the internet. 

  • NeroN Nero

    @flugel said:

    What the Hell is going on in this thread?  I went back to try to find a thread and I stumbled across your prayers thread Nero.  One of the first guys that had your back in it was Canton Mike. 

    I thought it was a very innocent joke! Come on, man! I don't have any problem with Mike. In fact I enjoy reading his opinions on the Board. 

    @texasag1969 said:

    Natives are restless tonight Flugs-just a little bitch slapping between folks who would otherwise sit down for a beer with one another. Internet sucks that way you know.

    If it's about beer, I think I would have a great time having one with anyone in this board, but I try to be the same sarcastic guy as I am in real life. And I try not put all my anger away on the internet. 

    @nero said:

    I thought it was a very innocent joke! Come on, man! I don't have any problem with Mike. In fact I enjoy reading his opinions on the Board. 

    If it's about beer, I think I would have a great time having one with anyone in this board, but I try to be the same sarcastic guy as I am in real life. And I try not put all my anger away on the internet. 

    I know I prolly just came across like Bart Simpson giving behavioral etiquette advice...  I also know I don't usually see you as one that goes out of your way to be a jerk to anyone.  In this particular case whether you meant it or not, I can see why Mike felt disrespected. 

    I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!"
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